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Mecca is regarded as the holiest city in the religion of Islam. Pictured is the Masjid al-Haram during Hajj, 2007. Hello, Northamerica1000. The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections: Holiest sites in Islam Rump steak Job Mario Kart Exhibition Staple food Previous selections: Party • Fat • Nightlife Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: EuroCarGT (talk) 18:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

DYK for Swedish fruit soup

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Experimental beer

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Toussaint Coffee Liqueur

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Request for protection of a page

@ North America , Sri Lanka Army Women's Corps must be protected from vandalism. talk to me.Farzana zardari (talk) 04:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Farzana zardari: The recent blanking of the page and edits were performed by one user, who I have provided a warning notice to on their talk page regarding their editing. The page has not received enough vandalism to qualify for page protection at this time, in my opinion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

premature closure of AfD

Why did you close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azerbaijan–Bangladesh relations as no consensus? It was barely a week old. It should be allowed to be relisted unil consensus is achieved. —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Wikimandia: I feel that the discussion received ample input, in this case with eleven users participating. As per WP:RELIST, part of the Deletion process page, "relisting should not be a substitute for a "no consensus" closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive debate, disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, and consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable." North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I really don't think there was sufficient input, and less than a week is not enough time to attract input. It was mainly the same people discussing it, and the arguments were silly ("You're saying these countries aren't important"). I really think this should be re-opened and allowed more time to gain consensus. Otherwise I'm just going to renominate it and this is rather a waste of time. PS pining @LibStar: for input on premature closure. —Мандичка^YO 😜 06:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

For starters, you are incorrect about the duration of the discussion. Compare the timestamps between the time the nomination was initiated (17:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)) and its closure (03:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)): the discussion ran for around ten hours after seven days had passed. I understand that you want the article deleted as per your input at the discussion, but as stated above, I feel that adequate input occurred there. You state that the arguments (plural) were "silly", but only provide one example (singular) above qualifying this stance. Furthermore, in the example you provided, the user also stated that the topic "meets WP:N", which is guideline-based. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

So, little more than a week. Insufficient time to gain input. I don't "want" the article deleted but it should be deleted as it fails GNG - and as I said, Caucasus is one of my primary interests and I do everything possible to find sources necessary to rescue articles. They're simply not there. Everything James500 stated was also silly, including his referencing his essay draft on notability. What guidelines were followed showing the article met GNG? Simply claiming "Meets WP:N" without demonstrating how it meets N is worthless. You are very aware of what sufficient coverage is, as you do an excellent job rescuing articles by providing links that demonstrate that. I assume you found none in this case (or didn't even look). —Мандичка^YO 😜 06:26, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, per WP:DPAFD, part of the Deletion policy page, "After a deletion debate concludes and the page is kept, users should allow a reasonable amount of time to pass before nominating the same page for deletion again, to give editors the time to improve the page. Renominations shortly after the earlier debate are generally closed quickly. It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hope of getting a different outcome." While the discussion was closed NC, it has a net/default effect of article retention. If you would like to contest the the close of the discussion, consider posting a nomination at Wikipedia:Deletion review. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

That's when a page is KEPT, not when an AfD is closed because of no consensus. —Мандичка^YO 😜 06:26, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

The page states "and the page is kept", rather than "and the discussion is closed as keep". It's a bit ambiguous, but again, NC closes result in the page being retained. Thanks for opening the deletion review, through which more community input can occur regarding this matter. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

It means only when the page is closed as keep. This has been discussed, I know, because someone accused me of being disruptive for renominating an article for deletion a few weeks after it was closed as no consensus. Multiple admins and experienced AfD people weighed in and stated such: see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive888#Disruptive renomination at AfD. I don't see how this is possibly confusing to people familiar with AfD, but maybe the guideline should be changed to "closed as keep" if people can't understand this. By the way, I really appreciate all the great work you do at AfD, so please don't take my challenging your decision as anything personal. —Мандичка^YO 😜 07:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the discussion at AN, which I wasn't aware of. For what it's worth, the fact that another user questioned this attests to the slight ambiguity of the wording at the Deletion policy page. I would have preferred for an admin to have closed the discussion there, and perhaps for more time to have occurred before closing for additional input. Some users make points about waiting awhile before renominating an article with an AfD closed as no consensus (e.g. "It is different after no-consensus. In principle,they can be renominated immediately, but that is rarely wise, unless the reason for no consensus was lack of people commenting", "Are "no consensus" closes somehow less in need of improvement than "keep" closes?", and "if the page is kept because of a "no consensus" closure (even after considerable debate and two re-listings), then editors shouldn't have any time to improve the page. With all due respect, that doesn't seem to make much sense to me."). However, other users there state otherwise. Also, the indentation at that discussion is horrible. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:39, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Azerbaijan–Bangladesh relations

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Azerbaijan–Bangladesh relations. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Мандичка^YO 😜 06:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• N.b. The discussion closure was endorsed at the Deletion review discussion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Arctocephalus pusillus

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Help needed

Two edits which look like they need revdel - not sure whether anything else is needed [1][2]. I tried the IRC channel, but got no response - you were the first admin I could find that was apparently currently online. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump: Thank you. See [3]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Aren't you going to revdel the posts? I think they should probably be, given their content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

No. I have contacted the Wikimedia Foundation about this. Despite WMF being able to view revdeleted pages, no barrier should be in place preventing quick access to the content, per the serious nature of this matter. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks again. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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Need your help

Would you please come collaborate at Gabor B. Racz? I really could use an experienced copy editor. The way the article is being hacked on now may cause it to fail reassessment, and I sure don't want that to happen. Atsme^📞📧 04:14, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Golden Bee Transport Page Appeal

The page was deleted by WP Ambassador without reading the talk article. Can you help me appeal? Thanks..

Mark Jhomel (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• HI. Jhomel has removed a CSD A7 template 3 times. Were you aware of this? I could not see how the article met ORG. Do we have any special exemptions for bus companies? I have no objection to the article being restored if you were in the process of bringing it up to notability guidelines. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• • Sorry sir Kudpung. I don't know that removing A7 template will affect the credibility of the page. Im so sorry because I never knew that. I would like to edit it by myself as long as I can. It will be my very first creation if it is recovered. I will edit it as soon as possible, it may take time because, as you can see on my facebook, I'm only an 18 years old and I am willong to contribute for free to Wikipedia. Hope that you, sir Northamerica1000 and sir Kudpung that you will grant my request. Thank you so much. Sincerly yours, -Mark Jhomel (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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• @Mark Jhomel: Golden Bee Transport and Logistics Corp. was deleted by Kudpung as per WP:A7, for lacking an indication of importance. A functional way to move forward is to begin an article in your sandbox first, being sure that the content includes an assertion of significance about the topic, and also sourcing it properly with reliable third party sources that provide significant, independent coverage about the topic (see WP:RS, WP:N). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

@NorthAmerica1000 Thanks for the info sir. Best Regards. Mark Jhomel (talk) 15:22, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Jellyfish as food

For your article Jellyfish as food I propose to write a section on "Processing" as I have a good source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Edible jellyfish prepared with sesame oil and chili sauce

@Cwmhiraeth: Go for it! I'm taking a break from editing the article for a little while. Note that that article has been nominated (and accepted) at DYK (Template:Did you know nominations/Jellyfish as food), so please edit in accordance with DYK rules (e.g. all paragraphs having at least one inline citation). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:03, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Thanks for the additions. I'd like to see this article improved/promoted to GA status sometime in the relatively near future. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I will leave it at that. If you come from North America, as your username suggests, I would expect you to be tucked up in bed right now. However, looking at your contribution timings, I don't think you bother with sleep! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Aah, instead, you should collaborate to help me bring this to WP:FA someday. Of course, I welcome your continued input to improve the article. Thanks again! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Further reading

About the "Further reading" section in the Grateful Dead article: (1) That Wall Street Journal article is about the "Deafheads" -- deaf and hard-of-hearing Grateful Dead fans. So it's not a general overview of Deadheads. And as a further disadvantage, the website's not letting me read it online because I don't have a WSJ subscription. So, I would vote for taking it back out. (2) I would also vote for taking the Jon Pareles review of the Fare Thee Well show, quote and all, and changing it to a footnote in the Fare Thee Well subsection instead of an entry in Further reading. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 11:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for the valuable input. Replied at your talk page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you protect something?

Template:Infobox KFC, vandals have begun to learn they can vandalize one template and nail multiple articles. Permanent, semi-protect like its friends Template:Infobox Burger King and Template:Infobox McDonald's.

TYVM --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 09:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Declined – Not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

The Definition

When you search up Thuggee in Dictionary when they explain what it is they shouldn't use the word that you are searching for in it + I like your wiki user page I wish i had one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.216.120.149 (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• Not sure why you're letting me know this, but all right then. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

ShineBright

Some editor did not move the article correctly to the new title, Shine Bright Baby to ShineBright, where it prevents proper past attribution.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

@The Cross Bearer: I have provided proper attribution on both article talk pages using the {{Copied}} template. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:10, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I just want to thank you, for doing so, with regards to this matter.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Relisting template discussions

here you deleted the section on the log.

Another user truncates the discussion and adds a link. Maybe one method should be employed, rather than both?96.52.0.249 (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

• Hello IP: Actually, both methods are acceptable. At the instructions page for relisting TfDs it states, "Leave a record on the nomination page and then remove or collapse the discussion there." I prefer the former (removal), as it requires less work and doesn't leave a bunch of extra boxes on the page that a discussion is moved from when relisting. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Grateful Dead Meet-Up at the Movies

Gatoclass (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Oooh, very nice! Looks lovely on the main page. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 01:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mudwater: Thanks for noticing. I find the timing to be rather fitting after the recent conclusion of the Fare Thee Well: Celebrating 50 Years of the Grateful Dead reunion shows. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Economy of Ohio

FYI I undid your edit on Economy of Ohio. While the anonymous user's edit was unexplained, I looked into it and it appears he/she was correct. Chiquita hasn't operated its headquarters in Cincinnati since 2011/12, and the building that was pictured is no longer named the Chiquita Center. [8] Jd027 (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• @Jd027: Aaaaah, bananas. That's why my work was reverted. Thanks for the info. and the news article link. I wasn't aware that Chiquita Brands International moved its headquarters. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Plastikspork has been restless for a while. A similar thing happened when I questioned one of his closures back in April, here. I don't think it'd have made a difference if you'd approached this any other way. Alakzi (talk) 17:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• I concur, and have said as much at DRV for the benefit of all concerned parties. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

(Untitled)

Re Cosmic Redshift 7, I deleted the mention to Cristiano Ronaldo as I found this detail improper of an encyclopaedia and degrading the quality of its information (e.g., an article about flash animator SickDeadFiend or SexualLobster would not have the merit of appearing). In the same spirit I consider that mixing panem et circenses has not the merit to appear in a scientific article and must be confined to its own biografy (namely, the soccer player page). I expect you not agreeing with me.

With best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.144.12.226 (talk) 08:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Your thoughts

What do you think about the potential for creating a Project Accuracy? It would encompass issues dealing with proper context, verifiable facts and omissions. Atsme^📞📧 10:42, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Atsme: Interesting idea, and the notion of maintaining accuracy is a significant one on Wikipedia. One matter is that I have created a few projects, (Wikipedia:WikiProject Brands, Wikipedia:WikiProject Breakfast, and converted Wikipedia:Cleanup to a project format), but once people become initially interested, sign up, etc., interest seems to fade after a few months or so with many users. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Any idea how that happened?

This is how it looked when I saved it [[9]] not sure how I put stuff in your comments? I am still trying to actually get the stupid comment to look right. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Could be server lag, whereby what was actually on the page wasn't appearing due to a lack of purging. The page seems to be in order at this time. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Kinda I had to go and reformat it but it shows in the correct order. I removed the ruder stuff out of my comment if you didn't notice. I disagree strongly but I can do it better. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

It's all good, no worries. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement (week 30, 2015)

Dessert is a typically sweet course that concludes an evening meal. Pictured is a chocolate-strawberry crumble ball. Hello, Northamerica1000. The following are WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selections: Dessert Home Taboo Post-production Aerosol spray General aviation Previous selections: Kayaking • Holiest sites in Islam • Party Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: Northamerica1000 (talk) on 04:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •