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afd close

I reverted your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tercer Grado, as I considered thatthe nomination statement essentially meant inadequate evidence for notability , which is a valid reason. DGG ( talk ) 23:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

• @DGG: That's all right. I considered leaving it open, but the nom technically does not have a valid rationale for deletion, although it indirectly suggests notability concerns without actually stating so ("... only one film review presented"). However, it's important to keep in mind that per WP:NEXIST, potential notability or lack thereof is not based upon the state of sourcing within articles. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism

SwisterTwister (talk · contribs), this edit is flat out vandalism removing source material. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Valoem: Since you feel that way, an option is to consider discussing the matter on the user's talk page. Perhaps the user can provide additional information regarding this content removal. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I did he removed it acknowledge vandalism, I don't understand why an established editor would removed sourced information.. He made it pretty clear he doesn't believe Wikipedia is for this type of information. Instead of responding he reverted. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

(ec) Valoem: I see, as per the Revision history of the user talk page. It's unfortunate when a user blanks content when concerns are presented, rather than actually discussing the concerns. Wikipedia is intended to be a collaborative environment, rather than a battleground. Well, if you feel that the user is engaging in disruptive editing, you could post a case at WP:ANI. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:38, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

This editor tends to remove sources before nominating this is a problem. He has been around enough to know this is not proper, I just gave him a proper warning. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Valoem: Well, since the user won't discuss the matter with you on their talk page, WP:ANI is likely the best place to present your concerns at this time. In this manner, other users can weigh-in with their thoughts regarding your concerns. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

ANI is a mess, I messaged DGG. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:46, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Valoem: Duly noted. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Annie Wan

That AfD is really fascinating. The notable artist is the 1961 Annie Wan who is a professor and who is in multiple university collections. Not really sure how to go about correcting the giant mess that the article is. TNT?104.163.154.101 (talk) 07:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

• I have provided a response at the deletion discussion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
• I am very pleased that you have been able to welcome the new editor that has questioned Annie Wan and is about to tackle TNT. Outstanding work having just joined us a few days ago. Castlemate (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Castlemate: Thanks. I consider it good form to welcome new users. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately that user is exhibiting anything but good form. Castlemate (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Split?

Should Jim's Steaks and Jim's Steaks South Street be split? Valoem ^{talk contrib} 09:17, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Valoem: My opinion is that it's best to keep all content in one article at this time. Otherwise, a potential deletion discussion could occur that ends with merging the content back into one of the articles, which would be a big waste of time. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

General Host and Bond Bread

Two more you may be interested in. I got tired of the research after a while so I moved them live and figured others can expand if they want. General Host has quite a bit of history missing on the page but since both are now defunct it makes finding accurate information quite difficult. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hi @CNMall41: Thanks for creating the new articles. I have made a few minor edits, and may perform more at some later time. I'm presently taking a sort of a wikibreak. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:07, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Hackman (kitchen equipment company)

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Dessert carts and Voiture trolleys

Hello, my friend. I ran across Voiture trolley. No pic here or commons. Is this basically a trolley with food that they wheel around? is a Dessert cart one kind? What about those dim sum carts and those on planes? Must it have wheels? Can it have wheels? Are we missing an article or coverage somehow? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hi Anna Frodesiak: Per a find sources template I added to the article talk page, there's not a lot of internet sources around for the topic. There's Food cart, which deals with larger carts, but perhaps something about this and other smaller carts could be included in that article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I don't see much that can be used from that article.

Image 1

So, no refs. It says it can be just a tray. No wheels. That doesn't sound right. So Image 1 in Fake food a Voiture trolley? No wheels.

We have lots of these displays here. No wheels.

If you ask me, "Voiture trolleys" is talking about wheels and we need some sort of coverage that talks about it all. The best I can think of is maybe Display food or something that is a known term. That can talk about dessert carts, fake food, merge in (bold redirect, no procedure) Voiture trolleys, and all the variants. Then cross-link food cart. Then we get coverage where it cannot fit elsewhere, a headquarter for the subject, and an article with refs that a lot of other articles can link to. What do you think? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak: Go for it; create the new article. If you do so, just let me know, as I can likely contribute in my spare time. Below are some usable images. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:43, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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  Dessert cart
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  Dessert cart
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  Dim sum on a cart
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  A food pushcart, 1896
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  Frankfurter pushcart (Hot dog cart)
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  Peanut pushcart
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  Design for Serving Table on Wheels, 1900–05
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  Design for Rolling Serving Table with Three Trays, 1900–05
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  Design for Rolling Serving Table with Two Legs, 1900–05
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  Candy cart
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  Restaurant serving cart
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  Food vendor on Wheels
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  Barista on wheels
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  Coconuts in wheelbarrow
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  ... not a food cart, but yum, dim sum!
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  ... also not a food cart
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  Dining room serving cart

Nice pics! Thank you. I'm still a bit lost as to how to do this, considering the existence of food cart. Any ideas? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

• Anna Frodesiak: How about serving cart? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I like that. What a clever bunny you are, North America. Would you say it is a subset of food cart and distinguished as something used almost exclusively indoors? (I replied here again. Sorry, I missed this post. Pls continue here. ) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Voiture trolley

Is there any evidence that this exists? I found nothing, not even a dictionary definition. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Anna Frodesiak: I need a bit of time to research and think matters over, but I will respond relatively soon regarding all of the above. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak: Surprisingly, there are viable sources available, but not much for Voiture trolley. Some of the serving cart book sources are about building serving carts, but they also provide information on their uses, how they are built, materials used in their construction, and how they are decorated. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

• Van Pelt, N.L. (1995). Creative Hospitality. Review and Herald Pub. Association. p. 80. ISBN 978-0-8280-0894-5. Retrieved December 12, 2017.
• Frid, T.; Frid, E.; Frid, P.A. (2005). Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking. Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking. Taunton Press. p. 109. ISBN 978-1-56158-834-3. Retrieved December 12, 2017.
• Press, E.C.S.; Group, N.A.M. (2014). Black & Decker The Complete Guide to Outdoor Carpentry, Updated 2nd Edition: Complete Plans for Beautiful Backyard Building Projects. Black & Decker Complete Guide. Cool Springs Press. p. 86. ISBN 978-1-62788-370-2. Retrieved December 12, 2017. {{cite book}}: |last2= has generic name (help)
• Stone, H.; Sidel, J.L.; Taylor, S. (2012). Sensory Evaluation Practices: Food and Science Technology Series. Food Science and Technology. Elsevier Science. p. 260. ISBN 978-0-323-13976-2. Retrieved December 12, 2017.
• Popular Science. Bonnier Corporation. p. 123. Retrieved December 12, 2017.

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

• Neufert, E.; Neufert, P.; Kister, J. (2012). Architects' Data. Wiley. p. 182. ISBN 978-1-4051-9253-8. Retrieved December 12, 2017.
• Bruning, Sarah (June 6, 2017). "How to Style a Bar Cart for Home Entertaining". Us Weekly. Retrieved December 12, 2017. {{cite web}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• "W. G. Sebald, Humorist". The New Yorker. May 29, 2017. Retrieved December 12, 2017. – Quote: "In “The Emigrants,” Sebald lovingly seizes on eccentric British materials and contraptions. The narrator and his wife dine at the home of Dr. Henry Selwyn, the food pushed into the dining room on “a serving trolley equipped with hotplates, some kind of patented design dating from the Thirties."
• "Holiday entertaining with bar carts, unique tables". Lowell Sun Online. November 17, 2017. Retrieved December 12, 2017.

• After I typed all of this, I then noticed that you had created the article, so I used some content from the above there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Nb. I nominated Voiture trolley for deletion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

When did redirect become merge?

Please see this redirect and please explain how the information was “merged”. It appears to me it was simply redirected so none of the information was actually merged. ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:33, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Atsme: Per the Revision history of the Matt Lauer article, nothing appears to actually have been merged. As such, I reverted the redirect (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I merged it...yikes, wish there was an easier way. If you would, please check to make sure I did it correctly - my question would be about making sure the edit history goes with it, and if the TP needs to go with it, too. ^{Atsme📞📧} 14:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

So sorry to bother you again. When considering consensus to merge, I followed the supplement Wikipedia:Delete_or_merge#Role in dispute resolution but there are two editors who have assumed a WP:BATTLEGROUND position; one of whom just deleted most of what was decided in the merge consensus. See the edit history - they removed almost all that was merged. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Atsme: I'm simply busy working on entirely other matters at this time. I will check in on this matter a bit later, perhaps tomorrow, which still may fall within today via UTC time... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:11, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

See this revert - another battleground editor, even after I explained on the TP. This is just wrong. ^{Atsme📞📧} 04:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Atsme: I noticed that. It may take some time for talk page discussion to delineate just how much content should be merged. For what it's worth, oftentimes the content of entire articles are not merged verbatim. I recommend allowing more time for discussion on the talk page.

Also, you can consider notifying all participants at the AfD discussion using neutrally-worded language alerting them to the issue. It would have to be done this way (neutrally worded, all participants) to eliminate potential problems as per WP:CANVASS. As those users already have some interest in the topic, per contributing to the AfD discussion, this could be a way to obtain more input in hopes of attaining consensus. Since some users choose not to receive notifications via pinging, the most efficient way to do this would be to notify each AfD participant on their respective talk pages. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I make one revert by a TB editor, and get my hand slapped for battleground behavior, but others can totally disrupt an article, revert blocks of text against consensus, and nothing happens? How is this fair? *sigh* ^{Atsme📞📧} 06:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Although I closed the AfD discussion with the merge result, I hesitate to become significantly involved in matters regarding the actual merge itself. That said, this will likely take time. You may want to consider neutrally notifying interested users, as per my above comment. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it's fair that the merge was deleted after a #redirect was added, so I'm reverting my redirect. The article will stand until they reach yet another consensus to decide what they want to merge which basically tells me they're ignoring the current consensus not to delete but to merge and that apparently consensus means nothing because they deleted the merge. Why should anyone respect any consensus anywhere if nothing happens when they don't? ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: I understand that this type of matter can be frustrating, but it may take time for the matter to be resolved. It is WP:BLP content, and it appears that people are potentially taking this into consideration regarding the merge. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: At this time, I have removed the Matt Lauer article from my watchlist. I'm trying to take a wikibreak, and while the merge result was exact, it will take time for matters to be resolved per the talk page discussion there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Help please!

My user contribution page just started acting strange. Can you help me to restore it, please. Jzsj (talk) 15:18, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Jzsj: User contribution pages rarely have problems. Yours seems to be in order from my end. What is the problem that you are noticing? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• I formerly just clicked "Contributions" at the top of my user page and the whole list popped up. Now it keeps asking for dates and "Hide probably good edits" keeps showing, and when I remove that and add dates it still doesn't "search", but the "Hide probably good edits" keeps returning. Is there somewhere in my preferences or lasting setup that I can restore the old settings? Jzsj (talk) 16:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• Jzsj: Well, I'm not the most knowledgeable about this technical aspect of Wikipedia. It's normal for a full list to be displayed when simply selecting "Contributions". There are various check boxes you can change via ticking or unticking, which may create your intended result. You could try changing settings in preferences→Recent changes→Revision scoring on Recent changes, Related changes, and Contributions and see if that helps (I'm unsure if it would or not). I have also had problems with getting specific dates to load using the user contributions page. Another idea is to try using a different internet browser and then see if the problem persists. If any of this doesn't help, or even if it does, you can also post a question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), where someone more knowledgeable may be able to provide more specific advice. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
• Thanks, I'll try the pump. Jzsj (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Trenton tomato pie

Hello! If you're so inclined, please take a look at this merge proposal. If you have an opinion on the subject, I would encourage you to try to persuade your fellow editors of your views. I am likely to do the same, but I thought I'd post here first. Thanks. Talk:Pizza in the United States#Proposed merge of Trenton tomato pie. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 21:21, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hi Mudwater: Happy holidays, and thanks for the notice. I'll have to think over whether or not I have an opinion to share there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:58, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Carson Hot Springs

On 13 December 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carson Hot Springs, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the water source for Carson Hot Springs in Nevada originates 6.6 miles (10.6 km) below the earth's surface? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carson Hot Springs. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Carson Hot Springs), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Maureen Wroblewitz

Help for improvement this article. Thank you!Ngochue456 (talk) 03:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Request to delete

Hi am requesting that you delete User:Su Yung (wrestler) i created it by accident when trying to redirect to Su Yung. please. 04:29, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

• Nb. Another admin deleted it. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

An important missing article

• Toe jam

I know you care. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ ^{and Merry Christmas} 20:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

References

^{( Buttinsky)} Note for Na1000 - not the same jam you tap your toes to, or that goes on toast or bagels. ^{(NA1000 focuses primarily on food articles) Atsme📞📧 21:29, 17 December 2017 (UTC))}

They make cheese with toe jam bacteria. That is pretty much a food item. I'm putting out as a redlink in the next Signpost article. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ ^{and Merry Christmas} 15:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): If you create the article, someone will read it someday. I don't foresee myself researching this and creating an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:33, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

artspam

Hello. I'm not always good at recognizing WP:Artspam. Does this quailfy? thanks -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 23:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

hi Dlohcierekim, my very quick reading of the article is: it is an institute that carries out research but there are numerous research institutes throughout the world, how is this one any different from them, how is it notable? Wikikit stalker - meowr! Coolabahapple (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Coolabahapple: Thanks. I doubt notability. I'm trying to improve my ability to recognize WP:artspam. I think it is, but in the past I would not have considered it. One of my goals is to remove more artspam. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim and Coolabahapple: I don't view the article as having a particularly promotional WP:TONE. It reads to me as a neutrally-worded overview of the organization. Not seeing promotional intent in the prose or promotional phrasing/weasel words stating how "great" or "revolutionary" (etc.) the organization is, and not seeing any promotion encouraging readers to solicit the organization. Regarding topic notability, for this topic, refer to WP:ORGDEPTH and WP:GNG. A research institute does not have to be unique to be WP:NOTABLE; rather it is based upon whether or not it has received significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

thanks Northamerica1000 for the clarification. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. That concurs with my original assessment, so I was not "blind" to artspam in this instance. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

This AfD

Hi, NA100.

Can you reconsider closing this AfD?. I believe there is support for closure (genuine support I mean). The latest delete !vote which I replied to has been trying to get the article deleted across-wikis for over two years without success for apparent personal reasons. When I commented I can't access bn-wiki, that's why I failed to provide the AfD. Here is the AFD on Bengali Wiki initiated by him and closed as keep. Not satisfied he continued the argument on talkpage, where it was established again she passed WP:ENT and gave up then. I believe he'll likely not respond and there's enough consensus for keeping it. Thanks –Ammarpad (talk) 01:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

• (ec) Hi Ammarpad: I feel that the AfD discussion on English Wikipedia would benefit from relisting to obtain more input in hopes for a consensus to be reached. Hence, this is why I relisted the discussion. While I understand your stance, I don't feel that closure would be the most prudent move at this time. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
• Also, the Bengali Wikipedia may have different notability standards compared to English Wikipedia. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:43, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

OK. Thanks, you're right too. –Ammarpad (talk) 01:48, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors December 2017 News

Guild of Copy Editors December 2017 News Hello copy editors! Welcome to the December 2017 GOCE newsletter, which contains nine months(!) of updates. The Guild has been busy and successful; your diligent efforts in 2017 has brought the backlog of articles requiring copy edit to below 1,000 articles for the first time. Thanks to all editors who have contributed their time and energy to help make this happen. >>> Sign up for the January Drive! <<< >>> Participate in the Coordinator Elections! <<< Our copy-editing drives (month-long backlog-reduction drives held in odd-numbered months) and blitzes (week-long themed editing in even-numbered months) have been very successful this year. March drive: We set out to remove April, May, and June 2016 from our backlog and all February 2017 Requests (a total of 304 articles). By the end of the month, all but 22 of these articles were cleared. Officially, of the 28 who signed up, 22 editors recorded 257 copy edits (439,952 words). (These numbers do not always make sense when you compare them to the overall reduction in the backlog, because not all editors record every copy edit on the drive page.) April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 16 through 22 April; the theme was Requests. Of the 15 who signed up, 9 editors completed 43 articles (81,822 words). May drive: The goals were to remove July, August, and September 2016 from the backlog and to complete all March 2017 Requests (a total of 300 articles). By the end of the month, we had reduced our overall backlog to an all-time low of 1,388 articles. Of the 28 who signed up, 17 editors completed 187 articles (321,810 words). June blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 18 through 24 June; the theme was Requests. Of the 16 who signed up, 9 editors completed 28 copy edits (117,089 words). 2017 Coordinator elections: In June, coordinators for the second half of 2017 were elected. Jonesey95 moved back into the lead coordinator position, with Miniapolis stepping down to remain as coordinator; Tdslk and Corinne returned as coordinators, and Keira1996 rejoined after an extended absence. Thanks to all who participated! July drive: We set out to remove August, September, October, and November 2016 from the backlog and to complete all May and June 2017 Requests (a total of 242 articles). The drive was an enormous success, and the target was nearly achieved within three weeks, so that December 2016 was added to the "old articles" list used as a goal for the drive. By the end of the month, only three articles from 2016 remained, and for the second drive in a row, the backlog was reduced to a new all-time low, this time to 1,363 articles. Of the 33 who signed up, 21 editors completed 337 articles (556,482 words). August blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 20 through 26 August; the theme was biographical articles tagged for copy editing for more than six months (47 articles). Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors completed 38 copy edits (42,589 words). September drive: The goals were to remove January, February, and March 2017 from the backlog and to complete all August 2017 Requests (a total of 338 articles). Of the 19 who signed up, 14 editors completed 121 copy edits (267,227 words). October blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 22 through 28 October; the theme was Requests. Of the 14 who signed up, 8 editors completed 20 articles (55,642 words). November drive: We set out again to remove January, February, and March 2017 from the backlog and to complete all October 2017 Requests (a total of 207 articles). By the end of the month, these goals were reached and the backlog shrank to its lowest total ever, 997 articles, the first time it had fallen under one thousand (click on the graph above to see this amazing feat in graphical form). It was also the first time that the oldest copy-edit tag was less than eight months old. Of the 25 who signed up, 16 editors completed 159 articles (285,929 words). 2018 Coordinator elections: Voting is open for the election of coordinators for the first half of 2018. Please visit the election page to vote between now and December 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Thanks for participating! Housekeeping note: We do not send a newsletter before (or after) every drive or blitz. To have a better chance of knowing when the next event will start, add the GOCE's message box to your watchlist. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Corinne, Tdslk, and Keira1996. >>> Sign up for the January Drive! <<< >>> Participate in the Coordinator Elections! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi Northamerica1000, i have recently created List of Canadian children's books, hope you don't mind but i based it on the article you created - List of American children's books, i am also planning to create similar lists for other countries as useful lists for wikireaders (and of course there are numerous books that discuss kids lit from various countries:)), cheers.

Coolabahapple (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Coolabahapple: Thanks for creating the new article. I added a link to it in the See also section of the List of American children's books article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:42, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

thanks, i will also be (slowly!!) adding extra info ie [title], [year published], [novel/picture book] by [author] to assist readers. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:58, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 52, 2017)

A nutrient is a component in foods that an organism uses to survive and grow. Hello, Northamerica1000. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Nutrient Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: Mechanic • Report Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 25 December 2017 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

December 2017

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Hey you, yeah you! (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive behaviour. It appears you are purposefully harassing another editor. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. Hey you, yeah you! (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Holiday Cheer + a barnstar

		The Happy Holiday Barnstar
		How about combining a Barnstar with a Christmas Card? That is why this message is appearing on your talk page. Simultaneously and at the same time, this barnstar is conferred upon you because during this past year you worked and contributed your time to improve the encyclopedia. You also have received far too little recognition for your contributions. In addition, this is a small attempt at spreading holiday cheer. I've appreciated all the things that you have done for me. The Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ and Merry Christmas 01:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Another year has passed...

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic) Atsme📞📧 12:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
	Time To Spread A Little Happy Holiday Cheer!!
	I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required.
	Have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

"tis the season...."

Hello Northamerica1000: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ―Buster7 ☎ 19:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Merry Christmas to all!

	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2018!
	Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into Wikipedia. God bless! Onel5969 TT me 02:20, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2018!
	A very Happy, Glorious, Prosperous Christmas and New Year! God bless!  — Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Northamerica1000!!


Hi Northamerica1000, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,
   –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 13:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for Yume Miyamoto

User:Narutolovehinata5 has asked for a deletion review of Yume Miyamoto. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 18:43, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

ho, ho, ho

Hi Northamerica1000, Neddy wishes everybody a very merry Xmas (suggestions of direct ancestory with one of the eyewitnesses to the happy event have, so far, proved unfounded) Coolabahapple (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays

From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:32, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!

Hello Northamerica1000, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2018. Happy editing,  gongshow  talk  00:20, 25 December 2017 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Merry Christmas!

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Season's greetings

	To Northamerica1000 Season's greetings from PaleCloudedWhite
	Hello North, I know you edit quite a few food articles - so I hope you appreciate these guys... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!!

My very best wishes, Northamerica for this holiday season. May your heart be filled with happiness during this special time. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:29, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Wikipedians!

Thanks to all of the Wikipedians above who left kind messages of holiday cheer above. It is appreciated. Happy holidays! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:29, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

G13 Eligibility Notice

The following pages will become eligible for CSD:G13 shortly.

• Draft:Sunday Morning Coffee Club
• Draft:Transas Marine

Thanks, HasteurBot (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your message

Hi thanks for the tips. Some experience I have in terms of editing, since I am editor of other wikipedia in other languages (Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, etc). Thanks, FLACOPAILO (talk) 12:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Settlemint, Northamerica1000.

Unfortunately SwisterTwister has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

Not sufficiently tagged as it should be as noted at WP:NPP (Tutorial). It's important reviewing is done properly and that articles are tagged when needed, there's no evidence to suggest the relevant tags were considered here. The sources are announcements or notices and these cannot qualify as acceptable in our article standards.

To reply, leave a comment on SwisterTwister's talk page.

SwisterTwister talk 07:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

• Per Wikipedia:New pages patrol#Unreviewing, this un-review was not actually qualified. Unreviewing is to correct incorrect tagging or overtagging. Furthermore, since the un-reviewer added a notability template, it is further appropriate to mark the page as reviewed. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:59, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Distilled beverages

Template:Distilled beverages has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 17:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018!

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Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor spamming business AfDs with useless !votes. Lepricavark (talk) 22:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Some advice

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Notice

− It looks like some people have given you advice before, but let me see if mine will help. You have one interest here and it's food articles, you restore material because you think it's appropriate, but if everyone else removes it or blanks it, you immediately restore it or revert them. This isn't the collaboration that it takes to work around here, Wikipedia is built on collaboration and so, if someone disagrees with you and there may be good reason why, the last thing you need is to be reverting them, reporting them, spamming them, whatever. It would be good advice that you find some other subject or other quieter area, because, why is it worth the trouble of disagreeing with people you know are going to disagree with you? Not everyone likes food articles and not everyone will like adding whatever trivia like if the place opened yesterday or last week. There are a lot of websites that people can add that, but Wikipedia obviously isn't every website. From the looks of your contributions, you've been going on and on at food articles for months and months, disagreeing with anyone who disagreed on them. Like the good saying goes, "If someone disagrees with you, understanding why they disagreed is a good place to look". If people have disagreed with you over and over about something, and you think reverting is going to help each time, then that's not ever going to change things and it's causing future disagreements. A lot of businesses operate wherever and all of them can serve a lot of things, none of it is a big deal or worth it if you know people disagree and if there's a good chance it's going to get heated. Not everyone always has to include food trivia or whatever about it, and especially if it's clear something is going to be controversial about it, it could be 5 editors who disagree, it could 10 editors, and that's what makes it controversial. If Wikipedia is built on collaboration, then there has to be good common sense and not that the other person must be biased or something. Wikipedia is not here for our own personal interests or what we think should be in articles, it's here because of what is good for Wikipedia. 3RR because someone disagreed with one part you thought should be included is definitely not that collaboration. There are a lot of different things here on Wikipedia and food doesn't have to be one of those things if it means reverting. If everyone looked at an article and thought "I think that's cool even if some people disagreed about it before and blanked it, then let me add it again", then that's a good chance of another fight. Wikipedia wasn't ever built for that and nowhere here can I see something that food is either. It's your choice, reverting edits because of something you think should be included, or ending in the obvious place each time. Immediately calling something a WP:NOTHERE flaming or a troll definitely isn't helping and it doesn't make an article look good if that's all it exists for: "I like it". Hey you, yeah you! (talk) 22:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)