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Hello! P.Shiladitya, you are invited to join other new editors and friendly hosts in the Teahouse. The Teahouse is an awesome place to meet people, ask questions and learn more about Wikipedia. Please join us!

Although it's linked in the above message already, I'm surprised you didn't seem to also receive this invitation already, that is usually sent by a bot. It's a great place for any questions and I occasionaly use it myself. It's also a good venue to find editors needing help with projects, sometimes their new article may be interesting for me too. Happy editing, PaleoNeonate (talk) 03:07, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: Thank you sir. You are so kind! P.Shiladitya (talk)

Problem about uploading a picture

To

@PaleoNeonate:

Dear Sir,

  I have started to write a new article INSAT-1D (INSAT-1D was an Indian satellite, deactivated in 2002). I found a sketch of that satellite, depicting the different parts of it, published in India Today- http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story_image.jsp?img=/images/stories/1990July/insat_lag_020613105256.jpg&caption=Insat-1O%20at%20launch:%20Success%20at%20last . The news - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/insat-id-satellite-to-improve-vital-communication-links/1/315332.html - was published on July 15, 1990. I want to use that picture in my wiki-article. I expect there is a copyright problem. Can you kindly help me to overcome that?

Thanking you, --P.Shiladitya (talk) 11:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@P.Shiladitya: Hello again. I am sorry to say that I have never uploaded images to Wikipedia myself yet, but here are a few resources that may hopefully be able to help. Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions can be used to ask about copyright related matters. Also see Commons:Grandfathered_old_files on the process of requesting permission from copyright holders. We also have general instructions at Help:Introduction_to_images_with_Wiki_Markup/1. Of interest may be those previous Teahouse threads, from the archive:

• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1#How_to_add_images_in_a_Wikipedia_page
• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1#How_does_one_upload_images_to_Wikipedia.3F
• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_3#Image_permission_problem_-_please_i.27m_new
• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_4#Image_Permissions

Ultimately, it is always possible to ask more questions at the Teahouse (WP:TH), or at the help desk (WP:HD). Hopefully this helps a bit. Your article seems promising, by the way. —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 14:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@P.Shiladitya: I see you could add the image. Congratulations, and happy editing , —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 15:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,

  Sorry. I have not thanked you. Actually, I suddenly found - this link, while going through all the links you sent to me, more helpful for my case. Moreover, I was waiting whether the Wikipedia:Administrators have any issues on my file. Now, more than 10 hours have passed, and I hope they have no issue. If some problems were arisen, I would have to seek help from you. Thank you for being so much kind to me.

Thanking again,

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome! —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 03:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Enlisting Rainbow gravity theory in the Template:Theories of gravitation

Dear @D.H:,

 I categorized Rainbow gravity theory in Template:Theories of gravitation under the category "Alternatives to general relativity -> Quantisation". Kindly verify it; as I have little knowledge about Rainbow gravity theory.

Thanking you,

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 09:24, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

File:Diagram of INSAT-1D.jpg has been deleted

Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,

The image in the page INSAT-1D has been deleted . Is it possible to see the reason, why it (File:Diagram of INSAT-1D.jpg) has been deleted? What is your suggestion now? Should I consult in Wikipedia:Teahouse?

Thanking you,

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@P.Shiladitya: Hello again. If we verify at the top of Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Diagram_of_INSAT-1D.jpg, it says: (F7: Violates non-free content criterion #1). I don't personally have much experience with these copyright rules, however, unfortunately. I remember that there are fair use reasons which sometimes can apply, or there is the possibility to request the copyright holders to release indefinitely the image under a free enough license for use on Wikipedia (doing this requires sending them a letter or email with a form they must fill and return, then preserving that file as part of the image's page/description, I think). We also have this: Wikipedia:Copyright assistance which perhaps could help (other than the aforementioned links above from a previous discussion). The Teahouse is always welcoming to such questions too (and their archives available, some of the above links were from those). — PaleoNeonate — 14:34, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Of interest may be Wikipedia:Example requests for permission, in case it's not possible to find already available information about that the image is under a free enough licence (if you do, then probably that it suffices to include that information as part of the image's page). — PaleoNeonate — 14:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission#When_permission_is_confirmed — PaleoNeonate — 14:45, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Improvement of Gurmayum Anita Devi

Dear @Goutam1962: Sir,

Can you kindly provide me some more reliable sources about biography etc. of Gurmayum Anita Devi, so that we can improve that article?

Thanking you,

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 03:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear @Shyamsunder: Sir,

Can you kindly provide me some sources so that I can improve the article Gurmayum Anita Devi?

Thank you,

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 05:45, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear @Tinucherian:, @GDibyendu:, @Madan lmg:

As Gurmayum Anita Devi is from Manipur, I am seeking your kind help. 

Thank you,
--P.Shiladitya (talk) 05:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear Sirs,
I have got a link. Can it be a reliable soreference? Thanking again --P.Shiladitya (talk) 06:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello again P.Shiladitya. I am not answering for the others you have pinged, but just in case they don't know (I also don't) or their answer is delayed or absent, we have a special notice board to ask if a source is acceptable, the Reliable Sources Noticeboard (WP:RSN), in case that may be useful to you. Have a nice day, — PaleoNeonate — 13:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,

   I do not know how many times should I thank you. I have asked in (WP:RSN), and waiting for responses. And, I already asked my first question in Wikipedia:Teahouse. Teahouse is really helpful.

--P.Shiladitya (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

You're most welcome, as always . I have never seen this icon before, thanks for that too. — PaleoNeonate — 16:22, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Custom award

Custom award For contributing to Indian and space related topics. Keep it up! — PaleoNeonate — 01:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It is hard for me to express my feelings after receiving first award in wikipedia. ✌️✌️ 😀😂 P.Shiladitya✍talk 16:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Name of newspaper in reference

Dear @Drbogdan: Sir,
While I am citing any news from a newspaper, should I mention the name of newspaper (e.g. The New York Times), at |publisher= or at |work=, in Template:Cite news? --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 16:39, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@P.Shiladitya: Thank you for your question - at the moment, I don't know if there's any definitive/official answer to your question - these days, I've been using the "|work= " parameter (please see => Template:Cite news) - which seems ok afaik - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear @Drbogdan: Sir, Thanks a lot for your kind reply. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 01:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of June 2017 bomb blast in Afghanistan's Herat

Hello, P.Shiladitya. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, June 2017 bomb blast in Afghanistan's Herat, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

1. edit the page
2. remove the text that looks like this: {{proposed deletion/dated...}}
3. save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

TimothyJosephWood 14:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear@Timothyjosephwood:,

Thanks a lot for leaving a message on my talk page. Kindly give me some time to improve the above mentioned article. --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 14:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey P.Shiladitya. Under the WP:PROD tag, the article isn't eligible for deletion until after at least a week. However, if you would like extended time to work on the article, I can also move it to a draft for now, which means most people won't see it yet, but also means you can have extended time to improve it without the risk of your work being deleted. TimothyJosephWood 14:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear@Timothyjosephwood:,

 Thanks again for your suggestion. You are so kind. However, I think seven days are sufficient to improve it. --P.Shiladitya✍talk 14:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Requesting to improve of 2017 Munich shooting

Dear @Knowledgekid87: Sir,
Although I have created the article 2017 Munich shooting, can you kindly work for the development of this article? I will remain busy next 4/5 days for some serious reasons and thus will not be active on wikipedia. After that, I shall join with you.
Thanking you, --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 00:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to look for. The attacker isn't a terrorist, acted alone, and was motivated by personal reasons. The attack itself is the attempted murder of a police officer which here in the United States happens like every month in a given state. In fact the entry below this one on "current events" reads "Two Baldwin State Prison inmates, Donnie Russell Rowe and Ricky Dubose, escape from a prisoner transport vehicle on Georgia State Route 16 after overpowering and killing two police officers. The prisoners then carjacked a passing Honda Civic and fled towards Eatonton, Georgia, according to officials." How is this story more notable than that? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87:

Should I request for deletion by using - {{db-g7}}? What is your suggestion?--P.Shiladitya^✍talk 01:13, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Give it a few days, if nothing more unfolds then yeah I would consider placing it up for AfD. I will keep up to date with any developments. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:14, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87:

A lot of thanks. --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 01:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear @Knowledgekid87: Sir,

I have added {{db-g7}}. Thanks a lot for your advice. I hope, I will get more valuable and beneficial help from you in future. --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 00:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2017 Munich shooting

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@WWGB:,

Thanks a lot for your kind advice. I have already put {{db-g7}}. I expect, it will help to delete quickly. --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 00:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

DOB of Allu Arjun

Dear @DMacks:
Thanks a lot for your last edits on this article. I want to discuss with you about the date of birth of Allu Arjun. The actor's official twitter account is this. You are welcome to verify it here - Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force. This official twitter account says that his DOB is April 8. Thus, when I added DOB, I added the url of his twitter account as 'External Links'.
Thanking you --P.Shiladitya^✍talk 00:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of 2017 Munich shooting for deletion

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Styles of citation

Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,
There are two possible styles of mentioning citations. The source codes are as follows :

Column one	Column two
== The Moon == The Moon is a relatively large, terrestrial, planet-like natural satellite of the Earth.<ref>{{cite journal| ... }}</ref> == References == {{Reflist}}	== The Moon == The Moon is a relatively large, terrestrial, planet-like natural satellite of the Earth.<ref name="nature"/> == References == {{reflist|colwidth=30em|refs= <ref name="nature">{{cite journal |journal=Nature (journal) ... }}</ref>

• Which syntax should I prefer? And why?
  

--P.Shiladitya^✍talk 14:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello again P.Shiladitya. You are right, there's even yet another common method, which is to have a biographical list outside of reflist, for instance for use with shortened footnotes: {{sfn}}, {{harvnb}} or {{harv}}, which are useful when multiple references point to different pages of the same works ({{sfn}} even automatically combines duplicates to avoid the need for name=). A good example of this is the Bibliography section of the Animation article. In this case these also have a ref=harv parameter. The shortened footnotes link to their respective bibliography entry.
Note that you can still use the colwidth parameter with your first example which is useful when there are many references which are best shown in columns.
In general, what is most important is for the referencing style to be consistent for the same article, and to avoid changing the referencing style of existing large articles except if consensus forms about it.
Your second example at the right may also be useful for new articles, because it permits to initially collect sources together in the seminal article (new page patrollers are less likely to mark the article for deletion because there are no credible sources). If an article has many sources, it can also become difficult to merge duplicate refrences. In this case too, having all sources at the same place can be useful (often in chronological and/or alphabetical order), with all inline references being named references (i.e. via name=).
I noticed that for recent news events where an article is quickly developping, most sources being from newspaper sites and edit conflicts being likely, placing the source inline rather than in the reflist is often prefered, which often allows to only need to make one single edit to one single section to add/update.
This was not part of your question but is a related topic: {{efn}} is also useful to create text footnotes, with the related {{notelist}} to collect them. The blue links generated for those will be indexed by lowercase-alphanumeric letters instead of numbers to distinguish them. This is equivalent to using: <ref group="lower-alpha" name="note">text note</ref> with {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}.
I hope this helps, feel free to ask for clarifications when needed. Have a nice day, —PaleoNeonate - 22:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

• Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,
  

Thanks a lot for your kind and elaborate reply. I was not familiar with {{sfn}}, {{harvnb}}, {{harv}} or {{efn}} (also thanks for giving the example of the article - Animation, which would help me to learn more about all these in future).
However, I have not got you on some points -
> 'referencing style to be consistent for the same article'
→Do you mean that we should follow only one referencing style in an article?
> 'avoid changing the referencing style of existing large articles'
→May I change the style, if article is small (and suppose that the article has been reviewed)? In that case. which reference style should I prefer - column one over column two? I have noticed that referencing style of 'column two' has been changed to the style of 'column one' in a new article.
> 'duplicate references' means -
→Example : <ref name="nyc">{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/|..}}</ref> and <ref name="nyctimes">{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/|..}}</ref> - when they are in the same article. i.e. same reference but with different reference names - both of which are present in the same article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by P.Shiladitya (talk • contribs) 03:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

• 'referencing style to be consistent for the same article' →Do you mean that we should follow only one referencing style in an article?
  • In general, but a mix is certainly allright depending. What I mean is that if for instance the whole article already uses old-style Harvard inline references with parentheses (i.e. sentence (Author, year, page)) without footnotes, then it is most likely best to leave it as-is unless as part of other major work on the article (we have few such articles but I've encountered some). Similar for inline/reflist reference placement, for using {{sfn}} vs {{rp}} to specify pages (although sfn is prefered for new articles unless there are too many footnotes, making rp more practical), etc. An article can certainly use all of {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite book}} and {{sfn}} for book-page citations at the same time. However, when we see that an article mostly use {{sfn}} but also has a few ad-hoc footnotes like <ref>Smith, 1983, p. 35</ref> or {{rp}} references, then it's good practice to make these few consistent with the others (and vice-versa). It is similar for |name= of the reference tags: if an article is already using a consistent naming style like "nyt2008b", when naming other reference tags it's good to keep that convention. For more information, here are useful citation related links: MOS:REF, WP:CITESTYLE, WP:CS1, WP:CS2. One thing to remember that WP:CITESTYLE stresses is that Wikipedia being a large and diverse project, there is no enforced style for all articles.
• 'avoid changing the referencing style of existing large articles' →May I change the style, if article is small (and suppose that the article has been reviewed)? In that case. which reference style should I prefer - column one over column two? I have noticed that referencing style of 'column two' has been changed to the style of 'column one' in a new article.
  • Especially for articles in early development or major restructuration, it's possible to decide to change the citation style. If the article is small like you mention it is also less likely to be contested. However, per WP:BRD, if others object, it's like another dispute: consensus should be reached on the article's talk page before restoring our changes if someone questions them. There are also practical considerations, like I previously wrote, inline citations are less work to use in a heavily edited article by multiple editors, while keeping them grouped together in the reflist has the advantage of immediately presenting the sources of newly created articles and the easier deduplication.
    Here is an example of "style warring" at an article lately: [1]; the original article was a mix of various styles including the usage of {{rp}}. It was lately rewritten and set to use {{sfn}} which also the consensus per the talk page, but this strange IP-changing editor who never discusses keeps trying to change it from time to time. Because of this the article had to be semi-protected via a request made at WP:RPP. Lately the protection expired and the behavior persists, prompting another request to RPP today...
• 'duplicate references' means - →Example : <ref name="nyc">{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/|..}}</ref> and <ref name="nyctimes">{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/|..}}</ref> - when they are in the same article. i.e. same reference but with different reference names - both of which are present in the same article.
  • Exactly. nyc and nyctimes are indeed duplicates here (although their refname differ). Because it's common for editors to copy/paste sections around including inline references, it's also possible to find duplicates using the same tag name, or none at all, like: <ref>https://www.nytimes.com/</ref> ... <ref>https://www.nytimes.com/</ref> or <ref name="nyt">https://www.nytimes.com/</ref> ... <ref name="nyt">https://www.nytimes.com/</ref>... in all three cases, the ideal is for all other references to instead only use <ref name="nyt" /> or {{r|nyt}}, for instance, assuming that we already have <ref name="nyt">https://www.nytimes.com/</ref> elsewhere. One last note: because my examples here were bare-urls (WP:BAREURLS), {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} would be more appropriate, of course (with in the case of a news article, details like author, release date, so that if lost archives can be searched to find the reference again).

I hope this helps a bit, feel free to ask for yet more clarifications if needed . —PaleoNeonate - 06:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

• Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,
  

I was slightly busy and thus I am late to reply. I think the information you shared is sufficient for me for the present moment. Thanks a lot for your kind reply.
--P.Shiladitya^✍talk 03:08, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Always welcome, —PaleoNeonate - 03:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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:Dear @PaleoNeonate: Sir,
Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks a lot for your wish. May this incoming year bring golden moments of merriment and success for you. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 12:40, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Kabir (2018 film)

Hello P.Shiladitya,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Kabir (2018 film) for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Chandan Guha (talk) 15:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Chandan Guha: Thanks a lot for your kind message. You have not given me proper time to improve the article. Even you did not give me time to discuss. You wanted to delete that article and you deleted, and it is fine. But my question then why you left a message on my talk page stating 'If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion'?

BTW thanks for your huge contribution in wikipedia. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 15:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The article was deleted immediately because it did not have any content. In future, please ensure that you add content before you put up an article. Looking forward to more fruitful contribution from your side. - Chandan Guha (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I find that you have put up another article on Uma, without any content. Please add some content. - Chandan Guha (talk) 16:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello again P.Shiladitya. I just noticed the above. I just wanted to mention that if it's difficult to immediately fill in enough content so that it doesn't get deleted quickly, user space sandboxes and Draft: space can also be used where articles are generally deleted less hastily. Those pages can then be moved to mainspace when considered ready (or copy-pasted there then blanked if no other editors contributed, otherwise moving is better for copyright attribution). I hope this helps, —PaleoNeonate – 21:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear @PaleoNeonate:

Kindly pardon me for late reply. I had exams the day before yesterday and that’s I had not much time to edit Wikipedia. Although someone have already edited the page Uma (2018 film), I have added some information. After my all edits, I think Kabir (2018 film) is not now in the state of speedy deletion.

I have created some articles e.g. Draft:XVII_Corps_(Indian_army) and draft:Anshu Jamsenpa using draft-space. But I never used user-space. I will try to use it in future.

BTW thanks a lot for noticing my problem and leaving a comment on my talk page.P.Shiladitya^✍talk 08:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

You're always welcome, I'm glad if it can help. My Wikipedia activity is also lower these days because of work, this is very understandable. —PaleoNeonate – 07:22, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

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—Anomalocaris (talk) 08:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Anomalocaris:,

Thanks a lot for your advice. I have changed it. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 03:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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Revert of grammar correction in Gamma matrices article

I'm not sure what you had in mind in reverting my grammar correction to your aside contribution today. As it stands, it is bad, if not meaningless, English. The Kronecker symbol referred to is automatically antisymmetrized. "Method" is both inappropriate, obscure, and, as indicated, embedded in a nongrammatical sentence. Sooner or later somebody else will fix it, I hope. Did you understand the explanation at the wikilink on the determinantal generalized Kronecker?Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Cuzkatzimhut:, Thanks a lot for your kind message. I always feel happy to discuss a scientific thing. From these discussions, I always gain something.

Now let us come to our point. $\delta _{\mu \nu \varrho \sigma }^{0123}$ gives non-zero contribution only when $\mu =0,\nu =1,\varrho =2,\sigma =3$. Thus a $\delta _{\beta }^{\alpha }$ can not be called that it is in antisymmetrization form. It bears no meaning.

Now let us clearly discuss what is antisymmetrization. Define a tensor $T^{\mu \nu \varrho \sigma }=\gamma ^{\mu }\gamma ^{\nu }\gamma ^{\varrho }\gamma ^{\sigma }$. Due to anticommutation relation of Gamma matrices, $T^{\mu \nu \varrho \sigma }$ is antisymmetric with respect to indices $\mu ,\nu ,\varrho ,\sigma$ and this is denoted by $T^{[\mu \nu \varrho \sigma ]}$ and the result of anti-symmetrization is ${\frac {1}{4!}}\delta _{\mu \nu \varrho \sigma }^{0123}\gamma ^{\mu }\gamma ^{\nu }\gamma ^{\varrho }\gamma ^{\sigma }$.

Kindly note that ‘Antisymmetrization’ term can be used for a tensor. Dirac delta is just a function.

Am I right? What do you think?

P.Shiladitya^✍talk 21:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I have been repeating you are wrong, but it fails to sink in. The definition of the Kronecker_delta#generalized_Kronecker_delta linked explains full antisymmetrization of the indices--you are simply misreading the generalized Kronecker to be a product of simple Kronecker deltas: your description of it is flat wrong. If you have misgivings about mainstream math so defined, this article is not the place to vent them. Where did this "Diract delta" come from? As a concession to your refusal to read the definition, I put in a promise "fully antisymmetrized" in my edit, but clearly that did not hit the spot, and the ungrammatical and meaningless "The method used here is called as" was restored. There is no "method" in a definition. Normally, such dogged insistence is hashed out in the talk page of the article, before further damage. If you are insistent on degrading WP, my interest terminates here and it is up to the page watchers to chastise you. Pls restore my edit ad bring any and all points you might have in the talk page of that article first. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Some edits on Sabyasachi Chakrabarty

Dear @Titodutta:

 Could you kindly check the edits (those are without references and I am worried that they are possibly wrong) made by [[[Special:Contributions/2405:205:620D:AF8D:0:0:1BB1:90AD]] in Sabyasachi Chakrabarty P.Shiladitya✍talk 12:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

• You mean the filmography? Please cross-check in IMDb or doing a Google search. I am a little busy with something. Please ping me if needed. --Titodutta (talk) 15:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
• No support from IMDb or Google, I tried "film name" "Sabyasachi" query. I have reverted the article to an old version. --Titodutta (talk) 15:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Titodutta:

   Thanks a lot.

P.Shiladitya^✍talk 02:38, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

• It is a really tiring work, I have checked their other edits. I think a lot more to check. Please report at WP:ANI if this continues. --Titodutta (talk) 08:55, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

::: Yes. I know. Thanks for your kind reply. I have posted Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Some_edits_from_IP_address.P.Shiladitya✍talk 10:06, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for semi protecting Kabir (film)

At first I want to say thanks to @Dl2000: and then @Titodutta: for noticing the vandalism done by Special:Contributions/2405:205:600E:4968:0:0:418:A0B0 , Special:Contributions/2405:205:620D:AF8D:0:0:1BB1:90AD on Kabir (film). I think only one person using those two IP addresses. There is another IP address used by him/her - Special:Contributions/2405:205:612E:2055:0:0:1279:38A0 (I think so, may be I am wrong). I also want to thanks @Spintendo: for informing the process how to request for semi-protection and @Vanamonde93: for semi--protecting it.

However, I want to draw your attention on the edits (I have already done about Sabyasachi Chakrabarty; see: my talk page) made from those three IP addresses. They are almost all without citations and I am worried that maximum of those edits are wrong.

Thanking you all again, P.Shiladitya^✍talk 02:36, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Dl2000:

If you have free time look at this - Special:Contributions/2405:205:600E:4968:0:0:418:A0B0. I am tired of checking this list. All edits without references and (probably meaningless). P.Shiladitya^✍talk 06:37, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @C0:

As @Titodutta: suggested I have posted this - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Some_edits_from_IP_address. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 10:07, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

• Let's see how it goes. Ping me if needed, --Titodutta (talk) 10:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

One complication is that the 2405:205:* addresses involved are regularly changing, presumably a Dynamic IP. Protecting the articles involved can help (such as WP:RFP requests) but there seem to be many affected articles. Probably best to see what happens with your request to the administrators and see if the protection on the Kabir article slows down the problem. Dl2000 (talk) 15:19, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Here he/she is back - Special:Contributions/2405:205:60A6:8FFC:0:0:22AF:98B1 P.Shiladitya^✍talk 17:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Swarm:

Thanks for blocking Special:Contributions/2405:205:600E:4968:0:0:418:A0B0 temporarily. user:Dl2000 requested him a number of times to add references for each edit and to stop unsourced edits. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 02:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Cast

No need to add citations for already-credited top-billed actors in a film. This is how I find the order and names of top-billed actors: (1) the poster that appears for last 10 seconds at the end of an official trailer for a film and (2) on-screen credits of a film. Tough you can argue here, here and here for the order and inclusion of other actors simply because the trailer is not released yet. Now this film is released, but back then there was edit-war in cast section. But now cast section at that page in accordance with on-screen credits, so no citations there, too. No citations are needed if things are clearly visible. Harsh Rathod 03:43, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Harshrathod50: ,

Thanks for your message. We are currently facing a problem in dealing with vandalism. Suppose you are creating ==cast section== of an article on a movie (suppose the name of the movie is xyz). As you have read a lot about that movie, you know about its cast list. But I don't know. Now suppose a "bad" person has done vandalism by editing cast section of that article with a name of an actor/actress who was not in the film. Now, it is really hard for me to check whether that edit is reliable or not. There is a guideline - All additions and corrections should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The name of main characters are available in newspapers. If you are editing from official trailer, try to add the link in the "edit summary" section. But the last option help us a little bit. I know, the scenario is much more difficult for old movies. But we should try our best to fight against vandalism.

BTW I know @Dl2000: who is really working hard against vandalism. Let us see what he suggests. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 04:14, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Citing each and every entry in the casting would be unnecessary. Only content that can be challenged needs citation. For example see my edit on Gully Boy. I added there Pooja Gaur to the list with citation because her inclusion could be challenged. Let's call my debate fellow @Cyphoidbomb:, too. His self-proclaimed personal experience in this discourse will be of great help. He is double-times experienced than the two of us. Harsh Rathod 08:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

A primary source (e.g. the film itself) can be used as a source for non-controversial information, like a cast list or plot. If the article is subject to vandalism, it might be a reasonable request to ask for references. Information about unreleased films should absolutely be sourced, per WP:CRYSTAL. (P.S., if we're going by edit count, I'm 100x more experienced than you, Harsh. But who's counting?) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Well said! Harsh Rathod 15:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: Oops! Comprehension error! That was approximately w.r.t. the years. Harsh Rathod 14:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Cyphoidbomb:

Kindly pardon me. It's not clear to me what do you mean.....is it not required to add citation for all members of cast list?P.Shiladitya^✍talk 15:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances, no, you don't need to add references for a cast list if the film has been released, because in theory the film has a list of credits at the end, and we could use those credits as a source. Similarly, we don't need to cite a reference for the film's plot, because we can watch the film and verify what the plot is. There might be occasion where having additional references are necessary, like if someone appeared in a film, but was uncredited, or if an article is being heavily vandalised and we don't have direct access to the film's credits. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Primary source materials such as end-of-film credits and trailers are valid references, but not always easily accessible or verifiable for editors, especially in a countervandalism situation. It is best to have at least some references that can verify the cast lists, and these can include official websites for the films or studios in question. We don't absolutely require a citation for each cast member, that can sometimes be overkill, but ideally there should be some link(s) for which editors can confirm cast members. Note that IMDB is not considered a reliable reference as its information could be compromised by "user-generated content" WP:IMDBREF). It is also helpful and necessary to include some secondary sources such as reviews and newspaper reports (i.e. reliable sources). Dl2000 (talk) 03:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dl2000: Well said. I always add this: (uncredited) after any entry in the cast list only if they are officially uncredited. But if there is any special info on any character in the film then I add like this in the cast list. Harsh Rathod 14:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dl2000:

Thanks for your reply. I know that. We need at least some references. Kindly think about Gold_(2018_film)#Cast - there is no reference added for cast list, not even in infobox. So, if I think that there is some vandalism going on then I have to search throughout all the references. My point is that. Dear @Harshrathod50:, please try to add some references. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 14:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Harshrathod50:

Please look at Despicable_Me_3#Cast. If they can do, why we can not? The movie section of wikipedia is probably the most affected area by vandals. So let us fight together. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 14:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

No, no, no! You are taking it wrong, they added citation for the statements after names. And you can also do that if you got a news paper or any article saying something about any character in the film. Harsh Rathod 14:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear @Harshrathod50:

Ok. Then please tell me - you once typed Hate_Story_4#Cast this as example. As for example : * Rita Siddiqui as Monica. Can you tell me why there is no citation for character name Monica. If there is no reference, probably you can not edit that piece of information in wikipedia. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 14:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

No, I can't edit that piece untill I watch the full movie. Then google to find the face of Rita Siddiqui. If I find that someone with such face was in the film but wasn't credited then I would add (uncredited) after that name. If no one existed with such face then I will remove that info with no hesitation. Harsh Rathod 15:48, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

You should mention reference (and it is expected that the reference should be reliable) while you edit. Don't edit wiki without references. And all sources in google is not reliable. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 15:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Instead of requesting and complaining you could have done it on your own! Harsh Rathod 10:09, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Requesting for help

Dear @Cyphoidbomb: Wish you a good day. If you are free, could you kindly check the reliability of Irrfan Khan. Please. P.Shiladitya^✍talk 03:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

P.Shiladitya, to be honest, I don't have a lot of time to check individual articles for overall reliability. What this project needs more of are editors who are honest and who are willing to learn, and who can evaluate the reliability of these articles as a group. If there are any sources used as references that you don't recognize as authorities, you might consider removing the controversial content. Please see WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources as a general list of good/bad references to use. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Don't disturb User:Cyphoidbomb! He is always busy fighting vandals and sock-puppets. And had been doing just this work on WP. His contributions are very less with regards to content. Most of his edits are on user talk pages and debating on Wikiproject pages. Also correcting the users. He was approved for adminship after his second nomination despite the controversy that his contributions are very less w.r.t. content on WP. Leave him. I'm willing to help you on Irrfan Khan. Never dealt with biographies of living persons before. Got one doubt about Philanthropy section. What do we actually add here? Good works of a person in real life? Feeling bad that this legend is dead. In return please help me improve the English of this article I created today. Harsh Rathod 14:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Harshrathod50:--Comment on content; not on contributors and any violations of the same are blockable.Best,~ Winged Blades^Godric 10:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: Thanks, on your input! Can you please provide me reference where it is mentioned that commenting on other contributors is violation here? Harsh Rathod 11:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: Now please highlight the statement which you find as a comment. I will give you reference for that. Harsh Rathod 14:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: I assume, you are not replying now, deliberately! So I advice you to read WP:NEWCOMER again, in case to refresh your memory. By the way, who the heck is this Godric? Any Norse God of particular type? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 04:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

You would do real well to drop the theatrics and your battle-ground attitude.Neither of these do indicate any minimal willingness to indulge in collaborative nature/behavior, which is one of our basic requirements from an editor.Furthermore, whilst I'm probably more experienced than you are, (as your ANI mis-adventure would point to......), I'm a volunteer and not constrained to reply to you in any specific time-span, esp. to phrases like who the heck is..., (barring some exceptional cases).And, until and unless, you manage to drop off your aggressive behavior (or assuming some good faith, improve your language-competency), I won't indulge with you anywhere outside content-discussions.Best, ~ Winged Blades^Godric 12:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: Always be sure before warning anyone. I know 3RR and other stuff. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 10:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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When starting merge discussions for others, as you've done with this edit for example, it would be very helpful if the reason for the proposal is given in the discussion; otherwise, it is liable to immediately close given the abscence of any case. If the case is so obvious that it needs no discussion, then of course it could be boldly merged. Klbrain (talk) 11:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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The proposal actually came from @Hms1103: (see- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Inertial_Stellar_Compass). P.Shiladitya^✍talk 02:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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