User talk:Phil Bridger/July 2009 – September 2009

Sovdepia

I listed Sovdepia at Afd WP:Articles for deletion/Sovdepia. I'll lay out more there. Jd2718 (talk) 23:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Maltese footballers

Hello. The national-football-teams website has been usually very reliable in only counting senior international matches. That said, I checked on Michael Galea, and his match in 2000 is a friendly against Andorra from the "Rothman's Tournament". I'm not certain whether that tournament is a full "A" international, but RSSSF usually does a good job of indicating matches which are not recognized by FIFA (and they didn't for that match). I can check the rest of the matches, but would expect that n-f-t did a good job of only counting full "A" internationals. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I found Galea's 2003 match, and it is definitely a full "A" international against Israel. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I checked RSSSF and could not find any indication that Jean Pierre Mifsud Triganza actually played for Malta in 2008 (contrary to his N-F-T entry). RSSSF doesn't appear to have a complete list of 2008 international matches yet, so it's possible they've just not updated yet. I'm not sure what to do. Jogurney (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

"a book-length biography from a non-vanity publisher is the clearest possible evidence of notability"

It certainly could be debated; the fact that the biography was written by the subject's daughter nullifies the existence of the biography as evidence of notability, in my opinion. That the biography was received well enough to become a best-seller might sway opinion back toward notability, however. If only there were any evidence of that... —  X  S  G  09:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I deliberately referred to the publisher rather than the author in my comment, because what makes the book a reliable source is not that somebody wrote it (whoever that was, and very many biographies are written by people close to the subject) but that Pendo Verlag published it. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kalakkad S Ramanarayana Iyer

Can you help in sourcing to dePROD? I saw that you got good info for Navaragamalika before I did, so figured I might enlist your help on this one? I have definitely heard of and heard the subject growing up, but I haven't been able to find anything non-trivial in nature yet. Cheers -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm certainly no expect on carnatic music, but I'll have a go. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I've spent the lunch break in the Ashes test looking for sources, but can't find anything more than a couple of passing mentions like the one from The Hindu linked from the article. I don't know Tamil, or any other Indian languages or scripts, so there might be some non-English sources on the Internet. I'm off back to the TV now to watch the Aussies get bowled out for 400 ;) Phil Bridger (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

There were a couple of GBooks hits I found (one was a program guide for The Music Academy), but it's the spelling variations that make it difficult. I've done a cursory search for Tamil sources, will do something deeper soon. He won the Kalaimamani award when it was really prestigious, but the value of the award has gone down significantly in the past few years. I lost any hope of seeing the Pommies win once I heard that they've roped in Buchanan as a consultant ;) -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 13:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad that I didn't put any money where my typing finger was when I made that prediction! Have you found a source for the Kalaimamani award? I'm sure it's at least as good an indicator of notability as many of the awards for porn actors that are accepted for that purpose. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I've found enough to change "is" to "was" in the leading sentence[1], as could be suspected from the year of birth, and thought I'd found confirmation of the Kalaimamani award here, but it turns out that that is a self-published book, so not usable for verification. I think I've pretty well exhausted my anglophone (or rather europhone - I can extract some meaning from pretty well any Germanic, Slavic or Romance language) ability to find sources. This is the search that I used. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Everything I've been able to find so far are non RS, although, I did find that The Hindu used the title Kalaimamani with his name a couple of times (that generally would lead one to believe that it was conferred, because The Hindu wouldn't say so otherwise, but of late, the veracity of The Hindu has been questioned, so I'll see if I can find something more specific), the problem with Tamil sources are that they don't have archives as far back as even 2000 (which a majority of the English sources in India do). The article has a few more days to go before deletion, so hopefully I'll find something over the weekend. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm close to giving up on this one, can't find anything yet. The Tamil text is "காலக்காட் ராமநாராயண அய்யர்", the first name (which is his place of origin, can also be spelt as காளக்காடு or காலக்காடு, just in case you come across these words in any of your searches. -SpacemanSpiff { ^Calvin _Hobbes 01:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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again. Brianga (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

"Poor form"

Your accusation towards me of "poor form," under some unfounded assumption that I was knowingly attempting to use unethical means to delete a silly article, was really insulting. I've lengthened that abomination of an AFD discussion with a defense, but I would request that if you have further tar to sling, that you do it at my Talk page instead of adding still more irrelevant remarks to the AFD. Propaniac (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You were the one that casted doubt, in the AfD discussion, on another editor's credentials based on the fact that that editor had been involved in discussion on the article's talk page, so it's perfectly reasonable to point out that you were also involved in that discussion, so your comments should be treated with the same pinch of salt. If you sling tar in an AfD discussion then the rebuttal belongs in the same place, so that the closing administrator has all the facts. It's a bit rich for you to make irrelevant remarks and then complain that I'm making "still more" irrelevant remarks. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I said "he had ties to the article." That is literally, 100% all I said about his involvement; I didn't even specify that he was the "another user" I had mentioned in my nomination. If you can explain to me how that translates into saying "He's less neutral than I am," or how anyone could possibly not realize that I also had ties to the article when my AFD nomination went on for several hundred words explaining the actions I had participated in before making the nomination, please let me know because I'm totally baffled.

Your accusation was ridiculous and had, by your own admission, nothing to do with the article nomination. I defended myself against the ridiculous accusation instead of letting it pass without comment. Yes, I consider my digression more reasonable than yours. Propaniac (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Egyptian Premier League

There is no evidence that this is a professional league. Spiderone (talk) 16:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, its Wikipedia article says that it is, and, quite frankly, it's inconceivable that the top league in one of Africa's top footballing nations wouldn't be professional. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For transforming Spacked out from a unsourced, PRODDED stub that didn't state notability, to a sourced, de-PRODDED stub that did. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 00:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Blue Berry Hill, Texas

Blueberry Hill is not a "community" in any sense of the word. All of the other CDPs listed in Bee County have post offices, fire departments etc. and are organized communities. Blueberry Hill is a small subdivision with absolutely no services or organization of it's own. It is part of Beeville and should be considered such. The article should be deleted. Vandersontx (talk) 04:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Long standing consensus has been that we should have articles on census designated places. If you can make a reasonable case for why this should be an exception then please start a discussion at WP:AFD rather than restore the prod tag, which is not allowed per WP:PROD. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of David Crawford (colonel)

I have nominated David Crawford (colonel), an article that you edited, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Crawford (colonel). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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NEW Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States)

Hello, Phil Bridger! As you were previously involved with an AfD at the List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States), I invite you to weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British females who reached number one on the Hot 100 (United States); I am arguing for some sort of inclusion of the list and would welcome your participation there. Nobody else seems to be paying attention to the value of the information or the question of merging or expanding the list. Thanks in advance if you're willing to vote or comment, whatever your take might be. Abrazame (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hridoy Khan

Hello,

Could you take a minute and add a claim to notability to Hridoy Khan which you recently deprodded. Someone tagged it as A7 today and I declined the speedy out of respect for your deprod. However, the article does actually fit the guideline as it is currently written.

Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Since you haven't added any clear claim to notability, I moved the article into the article incubator so that someone else will. The article is now located at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Hridoy Khan, but should make its way back to mainspace in time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Liping Liu

You contested the {{prod}} on Liping Liu with the explanation that "a Google scholar search finds plenty of highly-cited papers". I'd be interested to know what search parameters you used, because when I do a Google scholar search on "Liping Liu" I get LOTS of papers, none of which are by this particular author. I get tons of "L Liu" which is about as useful as "J Smith". The few articles I find with the name "Liping Liu" are in the areas of geology or biology; again, neither are our guy. If you can indicate papers actually written by this author, I'd be glad to accept his notability, but I've been stumped in my searches. The two works listed in the article itself aren't much help. The first is a book which Liu co-edited, and which has only been cited 11 times. The second doesn't show up in Google scholar at all, but it does show up in Google books. I'm not convinced this professor passes WP:ACADEMIC. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

On looking more closely I see that you are right - I've reinstated the prod tag. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Brandeis Brokers

Hi - I wanted to see if you intend to work further on the Brandeis Brokers stub. There really is no context in this article about this company and the notability is pretty difficult to establish other than this single incident where the company was expelled by the FSA and then shut down. Further, it is an orphan that has not been touched in a long time and was created by a WP:SPA who has long since vanished. I really could not find much of anything else about the company to help add context or establish notability. As a result I would think pretty hard about taking it to AfD if you are not going to work on it. However, I didn't want to do so if you thought you would spend some time here. Let me know. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 20:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• On second thought I merged this into Pechiney.|► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 21:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't intend to do any more work on this, but I think that notability is pretty clear. If you look at Google News and Google Books you can see that not all coverage is about the expulsion, and I have already added a source from Les Echos that predates this. I don't understand what you mean about context: the article clearly says that this is a metal trading company that was a founding member of the London Metal Exchange. How is that not context? I also don't agree with the redirect that you made because for most of its existence this company was not part of the Pechiney Group, so I have reverted it. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Imprisonment of the Twelve Bishops

Thanks for finding these sources - in future, however, a rude edit summary is not needed. Try a polite talkpage message instead. Ironholds (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Mandal Norway

6 May 2009 you moved Mandal to Mandal, Norway. I found a link (actually 2, one in a table) did not follow on Extreme_points_of_Norway, so I fixed those. The page Mandal is a redirect and I don't know how to easily find any other links that might need fixed. PhilHoward (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out - I really should have fixed this when I moved the page. I think I've fixed all the links now. For future reference there is a "what links here" link in the toolbox in the left panel that you can use to check incoming links to a page. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

How does that work for redirects? PhilHoward (talk) 10:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If you click on the redirect link, e.g. Mandal, you'll be sent to the redirect target, in this case "Tehsil", with a comment such as (Redirected from Mandal) under the title. You can then click on the word "Mandal" in that comment and you'll be taken to the redirect page. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Fissidens polypodioides

Hello, just wanted to stop by and say that next time you spot a mistake on my part, could you leave me a message on my talk page? It would be a little more helpful than saying you can't understand how it would be vandalism on your edit summary. We all make mistakes :) Xenocide^{Talk|Contributions} 02:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ramsgate

I've made a start on improving this article, and would like to develop it further, but would rather not invest the time to do so while there's still the possibility that it might get deleted. Could you please take another look the article and consider whether you can withdraw the AfD nomination? As there have been no delete !votes that would mean that the AfD can be closed and I can work on the article without worrying that my efforts will come to nothing. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes I will withdraw my request. The writing has improved (thanks to you mostly:) enough to identify context of the article. That was my reason for the AfD tagging, and now it is improved enough to be readable at the least.  Burningview  ✉ 01:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: OCLC

Note that removing the parameter was only one of the possible courses of action I listed. I also said trying to change the documentation/policies surrounding the use of the parameter was another option. Bot task-specific recourses are also available. --Cybercobra (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I read that statement as being exhortatory (i.e. "PLEASE add an OCLC in the event the book has no ISBN"), not prohibitory (i.e. "DO NOT add an OCLC, UNLESS there is no ISBN"). --Cybercobra (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jimmy Lopez

An article that you have been involved in editing, Jimmy Lopez, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Lopez. Thank you.

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I'm adding this notice as you removed the prod. The nature of the prod, added by the articles creator (User:Contribuyente1), backs of the autobiography tag (as does later edit comments by said editor [2] (applause for respecting policy)). The creator and major editor wanted the article deleted so I tried to speedy it by author request but a bit too much other editing was done. I find the notability on the questionable side and combining that with the creator (and probably subjects) request I took it to AFD. Duffbeerforme (talk) 11:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)