User talk:Pinkville/Archive4

my RfA - Ta!

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Gwen gleans, wending keen by the wikirindle.

Thanks for so strongly supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. Your thoughtful words helped so much! I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply


Seydou Keita

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Greetings! You recently created somewhat of a mess by moving Seydou Keïta (footballer) to Seydou Keïta II (footballer). Moving pages can sometimes be a bit complicated (I have also created similar messes in the past), and I see you have taken steps to solve the issue. May I just point out that instead of disambiguating two persons with the same name and profession by naming them I and II it's better to disambiguate by adding nationality, or, if nationality also is the same, birthyear (in this case Seydou Keita (Malian footballer) or Seydou Keita (footballer born 1980). In this case there seem to not have been a dab-issue in the first place, so moving Seydou Keïta II (footballer) back to Seydou Keïta (footballer) would solve all issues (even if I'd prefer Seydou Keita (footballer) which is the most common spelling). Respectfully, Sebisthlm (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Ah... if only the two names had actually been identical! I got entangled in the Seydou/Salif Keïta net, but the key problems have been resolved and I'll tidy up any loose ends. Thanks for your comments! I decided to keep "Keïta" for both footballers since they are relatives, previously the surname had been rendered differently for each. Pinkville (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
I see. The reason I moved Seydou to "Keita" is that after a brief search I didn't find any sources that suggested that he uses diacritics (including both the sources in the article and the official FC Barcelona Site). Moreover, the initial move from Keita to Keïta was made without discussion, and not by you (otherwise I would of course have consulted you). In alignment with the spelling within the article and other articles like Centre Salif Keita and Stade Centre Salif Keita, I thought the article should be at "Keita" unless reliable sources would suggest a different spelling. On the other hand, as a Swede I'm sensitive to the use of diacritics (Å, Ä and Ö are letters in their own right in Swedish) so if it can be established that mr Keita actually spells his name with diacritics I'm all for a move back to Seydou Keïta (footballer). I also notice that of the articles in other languages the Spanish, Italian and Latvian versions use diacritics. Sebisthlm (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
I think you were perfectly right. I looked into the sources for Salif Keïta, and they exclusively gave "Keita", without diacritical, so I think this article should be moved accordingly - but I can't do it myself (the move requires an administrator). As for the other languages, it's possible that the diacritics derive from Spanish, Italian or French transliterations, given their closer colonial proximity to Mali, if you see what I mean. But the linguistic issue is territory I know next to nothing about. I'll see about getting Salif Keïta (footballer) moved to Salif Keita (footballer). Pinkville (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Um. Hoary (talk) 01:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
You mean I could have typed less? thanks again. Pinkville (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Interestingly, most instances of "Keita" in the Library of Congress Authorities (very reliable, authoritative source for name orthography in English) prefer the variants without diacritics, but for Salif Keïta, the singer, they give the following scope note:
Keïta, Salif, |d 1949-
670 __ |a Ambassadeurs Internationaux (Musical group). Dance music from West Africa [SR] p1984: |b label (Salif Keita) container (b. in Mali; musician & songwriter; not to be confused with soccer player of same name)
Hard to conclude from this that the footballer also uses the diacritic, but the suggestion is there. (There is no entry in the Library of Congress Authorites for the footballer.) Furthermore, the Wikipedia article on the singer does not use the diacritic that LibCon prefers. So very messy.... Pinkville (talk) 01:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

quelle iconnerie

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So put me straight, please. . . . Hoary (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Now you've done it! You've compelled me to go to the university library to dig into books that I'd hoped to have laid to rest... Pinkville (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

could you please do me a favor?

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Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

  1. I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
  2. I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnWtalk 07:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sure. I'd be happy to help. You can use my Wikipedia email to send me the URL. Pinkville (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply


Hello, here is the link
Pretest webpage
If you have any question during pretest, please contact me.
Please finish it before 25 June. Thanks a lot. :)
JnWtalk 14:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Great! I'll get to it as soon as I can (until the end of today I'm busy with my RfA. Pinkville (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply


Thanks a lot. This page will exist even after deadline. So just take your time. But I still hope that you can finish it early. :)

JnWtalk 09:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I've completed the pretest, but two articles did not load properly* - undoubtedly because their titles include diacritics: Yokoyama Matsusaburō and Kameya Tokujirō. Pinkville (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
* They both loaded as articles "to be created", like this.
I am sorry about that. It's because the locale character-set code. My program cannot present the special character well. But still thank you for completing it.


And the questionnaire is completed. Link:
evaluation questionnaire
Thanks for doing this questionnaire, and I hope that you will feel interested about this. :)
JnWtalk 04:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply


Hi, just remind you to complete the questionnaire.

My thesis's oral defense is on next Wednesday. So please complete it as early as you can. I believe it would just take you 5 miniutes. Thanks a lot. :)

JnWtalk 08:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I have finished the questionnaire. Pinkville (talk) 11:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply


Hello, thanks a lot for your help on filling out the questions on the pretest and questionnaire. In order for us to interpret the answers you gave, I have three additional questions to ask you. In the questionnaire, you check ‘free’ for the compensation of answering the question. Now there are some scenarios:

  1. If the users need to pay for asking questions through our knowledge service, will you still answer the questions for free?
  2. If the users pay a certain fee for each of his/her questions being answered, will you receive the compensation for answering the question or allow us to donate it to the charitable institutions?
  3. Do you have any comments on the knowledge service which we plan to develop? In this knowledge service, we will allow users to ask their questions, and the system will forward these questions to the users who edited wikipedia and were identified by our system as the domain experts. Which business model do you think is more proper? The expert can be compensated by the fee paid by the seekers or do it for altruism with no charge.

JnWtalk 13:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

howdy

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sorry to pop up out of the blue like this, but i was wondering if i could just ask you a favor - the article on Naomi Klein is pretty regularly besieged by pov editors attempting to violate WP:undue by focusing disproportionately on the minority of criticisms of her recent book while failing to acknowledge the overwhelming majority of praise. whatever one's personal feelings on the book, it's pretty inarguable that it was well reviewed by most people, which wikipedia should naturally reflect. sorry to ask you, but i've been dealing with the same people for months, and it gets pretty boring reverting the same silliness over and over. i got into a thing like this over on the ralph nader page a few months ago with a user who was later found to be a sock puppet and blocked. if you could just keep an eye on it from time to time, it would be much appreciated. i'll be posting this message on a few other user pages just in case you've got your plate full or just plum don't wanna do it. thanks Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'd be glad to help out as much as I can. If it weren't for the good work of people like Klein, et al we'd have many fewer opportunities to use our editing skills... ;~) Pinkville (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

cheers man! Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Emile Gsell

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Thank you for changing links on the French arcticle.

Your culture in photography (and your work on wikipedia) is very impressive.

Jatayou (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Happy to help. Thank you very much. Pinkville (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Nomination

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Hi. I'm glad you've accepted. We'll start it soon after mine has finished. Regards. Epbr123 (talk) 05:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sounds good. Thanks. Pinkville (talk) 10:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Hi. Are you ready to start the RfA? Epbr123 (talk) 22:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I am indeed ready! Pinkville (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Question

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Just so you know, I've left you an additional question on your RFA. Take your time on the answer for this one--I really want to support you! :) Malinaccier (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the notice! :~) I'll try to give it my best. Pinkville (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Your RFA

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Best of luck for your RFA -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks very much! Pinkville (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

You are now an administrator

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Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 22:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks very much! Pinkville (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Well, that went quite well. Congratulations and enjoy the tools! Epbr123 (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks very much for the nomination and the kind words. I have a feeling not all RfAs go that smoothly... ;~) Pinkville (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Next month, Bureaucrat? -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Why the heck not! Pinkville (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I haven't interacted with you much, but I would like to say congratulations on your successful RfA. Good luck with the tools! -- SchfiftyThree 00:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the good wishes! Hope we'll cross paths again soon. Pinkville (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congrads, Pinkville. Use it wisely. :-) --Mizu onna sango15/珊瑚15 00:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, and I'll do my best. Pinkville (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Congrats pinkville, feel free to take a look at my admin dashboard here: User:Xenocidic/dashboard. It can be transcluded, or just pilfered the old way. happy admniming.
Thank you! Handy dash! Pinkville (talk) 01:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congrats on your Adminship !!! BlueQ99 (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

What about the workers?

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This just popped up in my watchlist: (User rights log); 22:56 . . WJBscribe (Talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Pinkville from (none) to sysop (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pinkville)

So the editing proletariat and peasantry have "rights (none)".

The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a Wikipedia to win. Workers of the world, unite! -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

¡No Pasarán!<meta /><meta /> Pinkville (talk) 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

\o/ Yay! Gwen Gale (talk) 23:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

A fine, fine selection! Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Oh yeah... All Power to the People! Pinkville (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Another helpful link from the site any IP can edit :) Gwen Gale (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
A bureaucrat? Pinkville (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Ask his big sister, she taught him everything he needed to know. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Wow, these are priceless. They're like images from The Evangelical Church of the Silicon Bible... Pinkville (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Speaking of Willy On Wheels... :) Gwen Gale (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Shiva H. Vishnu! Pinkville (talk) 00:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Yes, along with the most active editors at M-theory. I do know Power Puff Girls is owned. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
... ... . . . . I die.. . . in a sp ray . of .. pix els .. . . Pinkville (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

About your RfA

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The admins' T-shirt. Acalamari 01:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. For information on using your new tools, see the school for new admins; you will find it very useful. Good luck! Acalamari 01:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for all... and the t-shirt (though it's a little small for me :~)) Pinkville (talk) 01:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
There's some truly weird shinola in the school for new admins. Here's the list of contents, with my "seasoned, experienced" comments:
  • Blocking
    • Humdrum stuff. Till recently I didn't use the official templates because I never remembered what they were. Now I use them but I still don't remember what they are, and have to look them up, damn.
  • Deleting
    • This one's a doddle.
  • Protecting
    • This too.
  • Protecting deleted pages
    • I always forget how to do this one. It hardly matters, as the need only arises about once a month.
  • Rollback
    • Really easy.
  • Rollback granting and revoking
    • I've never done it. If anyone asked me, I suppose I'd have to go through their edit history (yawn); but if I then didn't like what I saw I wouldn't grant it and if I did like it I'd just put them up for admin, which as you've discovered is no big deal.
  • Viewing deleted pages and contributions
    • Can be blackly humorous. You'll gain a new understanding of the depths of human vanity, etc., when you see "deleted" pages.
  • (new!) Dealing with disputes
    • Toggle "horse sense" ON.
  • (new!) Accountcreator granting and revoking
    • I'd never even heard of "Accountcreator".
Hoary (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Ah, the Coles Notes* version of Administration. Thanks! Oh, what hijinks await...?! Pinkville (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
* In fact, infamous for failing to provide summaries of whole scenes from such minor and obscure literature as Hamlet, and for muddling the identities of characters.

Congratulations! Feel free to ask me if you need any help. :) GlassCobra 01:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

You're on my watchlist! :~) Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Congratulations on your successful request for adminship -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 01:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I have added {{administrator}} to your user page. Hope you dont mind ;) -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Quite reasonable. Thank you. Pinkville (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congrats from a fellow admin... good luck with the tools! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 06:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Congrats!!:)Λua∫Wise (Operibus anteire) 06:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks folks! Pinkville (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. --Kaaveh (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

RFA

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My pleasure, and congratulations! Jayjg (talk) 00:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Mop

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The "real world" beckons. I see you're up and around; could I ask you to put Cary Herrman on your watchlist? Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Barely up, but I comply! :~) Pinkville (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Gotta luv that photo though... Pinkville (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Amazing bit of shadow and light, that photo, but none of the references cited in the article meet RS :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
You noticed that too? ;~) Pinkville (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

There's some weird shinola going on; check my recent edits. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hmmm, curious. I'm guessing it's still just a matter of unfortunate coincidental meeting of desperate attempts to save lame article with misguided attempt to deal with user talk page sullying... Will keep an eye, though, 'cuz it could get worse... Pinkville (talk) 02:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Almost. See my explanation to Hoary. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 02:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Just noticed that. But feel free to ask another admin to block under such circumstances - annoying situation, isn't it. :~) Pinkville (talk) 02:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
You're probably right, but I resisted the temptation for an indefinite block.  :) Jauerbackdude?/dude. 02:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
That took fortitude! :~) Like Hoary, I'm keeping watch on this in case you'd like some "outside" intervention. Pinkville (talk) 02:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Canadian photography

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Would this chap be the cynosure of the vernissages that you frequent? Or what's the skinny? -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Never heard of him. I never really know when it comes to Rawk Photographers... this one is very uninteresting, but presumably legit. The nickname anecdote is obviously encyclopedic, of course. Pinkville (talk) 11:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Yes, his name is fascinating, fascinating. I have, however, felt myself obliged to make certain edits to other ingredients of this article. Hm, what if the article were to start "Omer Cordell is a photographer named "Impson", after the Simpsons"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Faint praise, indeed. And I think your proposed lead is much better than the current version. Pinkville (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
From the only substantial independent bibliographic source in the article, the interview at Metal-rules.com, we find this less than encouraging admission:
Are you able to make a living at photography?
Unfortunately I’m not doing this full time yet. I’d love to have this as my only income some day, though, it’s a very tough market to get into. I have a day job, but every other job aside from what I want to do seems trivial to me.

Salif Keïta (footballer)

And what he wants to do is daunting:
Sure, someone can look at my work and say “Hey! This looks just like so and so’s work,” but my point is that I don’t go to the library or the bookstore and look at photography books to get inspired. I want to create something from my own mind-frame and try to produce something that is semi-original...
Although the interview was conducted in 2004, the fact that no later interviews have been cited suggests that we may have both done too much work on this article already... Salvageable or AfDable? Pinkville (talk) 13:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
It's already been AfD'd, so it shouldn't be sent there again till everything is crystal clear to all.
Of course I'd have voted DEL if I'd known about it, but I didn't know about it, because WP HOP doesn't have a routine deletion-notification subpage. Till recently it didn't have a list for how many articles there were of which level of completion; it recently got one, but then some bot wiped it out. -- Hoary (talk) 14:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
That's a sad little AfD. That's an even sadder botched job. There's some consolation in hoping that someday, I'll also be well known in my phylosophy for shooting film. Pinkville (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

<- Curiously, Omer gets more (and more recent) Google hits under his "unfortunate former last name" ("Shaked") than he does as "Omer Cordell"... Of course, they may not all be the same Omer "Impson" who is planning a more profound book about his travels around the world. Pinkville (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Meanwhile. . . . Hoary (talk) 15:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'd say a pretty successful user talk page exchange, with an as yet unsuccessful article... If only the Goddesses would spare us any more rock photographers. Pinkville (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

If Impson doesn't show up at the vernissages, how about this fella? -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I noticed that one during my RfA... apparently Canada is a particularly good breeding ground for these... things. I'll look at his CV a little more closely, but I have a feeling that e/mailing a few dozen notable artists/photographers doesn't confer notability on the sender... Pinkville (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Are you hep to this cat? -- Hoary (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

No, I ain't that hep... I'll have to look more closely after work. Pinkville (talk) 15:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Mop and bucket, please!

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And not your new ones, just the bog standard ones. If you have time, that is. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Fixed (I think). -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Gee, sorry I came to this so late. I didn't visit Wikiland last night. Does this need to be deleted now? I find this all rather confusing... Pinkville (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I dunno. I rather supposed that if it were useless then somebody who knows about this stuff would remove it.
Well, you could always assuage your conscience by blocking a few people, I suppose. -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Resistance is futile (or, as they say in the US, Resistance is feudal). Pinkville (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Incidentally, does that ogg file actually play what it purports to? Unfortunately, my workplace PC doesn't deign to play such files... Pinkville (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'll try it tomorrow. Our workplace PCs are WinVaster, full of bloatware. I chucked the application form for what could have been mine into the wastebin and continued to use my Kubuntu box instead. I install on it the software I want to install, no more and no less. (Stick it to The Man!) -- Hoary (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Isn't that VinWaster? What a tragedy! Pinkville (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
Or you could use a mop and bucket after one of these. -- Hoary (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
And does this simply take a long time to update - or is there still a problem? Pinkville (talk) 13:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I think it's supposed to spider the various projects once every few days. But I don't know. -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply
I believe I saw a note to that effect, but I don't remember the context. Pinkville (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

It was worth a try

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...thank you for your noble effort to help out with that user. After this, I think Gwen did the right thing. If he comes back with more abuse I'll protect the page (unless someone else sees it first). Appreciate you trying, though: sometimes it works. Antandrus (talk) 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

And thank you. I think everybody did a very good job on this case. And you, Acroterion and (of course) Gwen Gale showed admirable restraint under great provocation. There seemed to be a (very) slim chance of a better outcome, but that inexcusable edit corked it. Who'd have thought Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan could inspire such heights of over-the-top hostility? Pinkville (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
The long and short of it is, there are lots of down-market, sensationalized "documentaries" and other references to Earhart and Noonan on the telly. Gwen Gale (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I guess that stands to reason. There's a whiff of fetish (in the older psychological sense of the term) to this thing... Pinkville (talk) 11:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
You did a fine job of patient explanation. Most of the time it doesn't work, but every now and then we reel somebody back from the brink. Abuse comes with the territory, as does a thick skin. Acroterion (talk) 01:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. And well done to you! I've seen the "patient explanation" approach work once or twice (so much time spent on talk pages vs. article pages!), but this looked like a doomed case from early on... Pinkville (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
You'll know you've truly arrived when there's a thread at AN/I with your name on it and the words "admin abuse" and "desysop" in the text.
As for the Jovian satellite, I'd let it go. He's been around long enough to know better, but he doesn't seem to be making a habit of it, and I personally give a lot more slack on talk pages. It's all poor form, especially the patronizing tone and stepping on your edits, but not worth your time or worry. Acroterion (talk) 02:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
You'll know you've truly arrived... Something for me to look forward to.
In fact, I was a little taken aback when the Red Pen reacted as he did. I'm seldom too concerned with such (useless) musings being on the talk page as long as they don't appear in the article. Lots of people seem to think they can take on Chomsky, and often add a few lines of murky thought to his talk page... comparatively harmless. But this had the appearance of something that might escalate. Thanks for your reassuring assessment. Pinkville (talk) 11:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I've occasionally offered gentle advice to enthusiastic warners about inflaming an otherwise manageable situation. Most of the time they take it well and adopt a more judicious approach.
I had my baptism at AN/I when I encountered an editor who was making somewhat controversial edits while logged out, but signing his name. I pointed out that it was impossible to tell whether it was really him or an impostor trying to stir things up in his name. I blocked the IP (anon only) and forced him to log in, which he promptly did, then went directly to AN/I where he complained loudly about my "abuse" and demanded punishment. Apathy reigned, and the thread died. Acroterion (talk) 11:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
That was a peculiar road to resolution! Pinkville (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Name in vain

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Touche' I have attempted a different tack that is more friendly, I hope. -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

And it looks like a positive - if unlikely - outcome has been achieved! All the best. :~) Pinkville (talk) 23:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
My last contribution. Now I'm called a Jovian satellite but my original thought was Greek mythology combined with initials of sorts. Cheers and I hope to see you under more pleasant circumstances. You are a reasonable man despite Chomskyanism. :-).Io (talk) 19:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
But the moon has volcanoes! :~) Likewise, I hope we cross paths again soon (and thanks for the kind word). Meanwhile, I'm quite happy to discuss your points on Chomsky (or any other subject you like)... on either of our talk pages! All the best. Pinkville (talk) 02:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I should feel right at home then - but wait a second, I breathe oxygen among other things. (See, we're not so different after all - I'll even go as far as assuming you are carbon-based like me. :-)
I'm all out-chomskied for the time being, and this recent "debate" has not been one of my shining moments, so I'll leave be. But I do have a few questions, which I've never seen addressed about his theories. Maybe another time. I at least know, where to find you. And I'm not usually this bellicose. Let's just put it down bad timing. All the best Io (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
OK, maybe not out-chomskied enough. Here's a citation from the introduction to The Amazonian Languages, eds. Dixon and Aikhenvald. Chomsky has been accused of reducing everything to syntax. Maybe, maybe not, but I myself suspect that the ones who set up the scheme for the work mentioned in the introduction were disciples of his. To give Chomsky the benefit of the doubt, I may wrong or, if I'm right, they may have misunderstood their teacher. But here comes the quotation.
The Handbook of Amazonian Languages, edited by Desmond C. Derbyshire and Geoffrey K. Pullum and published by Mouton de Gruyter, is a most worthwhile enterprise that has so far run to four volumes that include ten grammars (ranging in quality from quite good to very good) together with a number of typological and historical studies. Yet the Handbook would be more useful if the contributors were not forced to follow an idiosyncratic scheme of organization: syntax, then phonology, then morphology. That this is basically unworkable is demonstrated by the fact that five of the eight grammars in the first three volumes have, as the whole of 23, Morphology, a single sentence along the lines This has been treated in earlier sections. It is of course necessary to know the basic inflectional morphology in order to unterstand the syntax, so this information is slipped in early on in the description (but at different places in each grammar). The net result may be that nowhere is there any integrated morphological statement, e.g. of the structure of the verb.
This really sounds peculiar, and if my suspicion is correct, then Chomsky does have something to answer for. (Io)
I don't know the work you've mentioned here, but I know something of Geoffrey Pullum, and it seems clear from what I know of him and of the context, that this is not the same subject within linguistics that Chomsky is pursuing. Traditionally, linguistics has dealt with analysing the differences and similarities of various language, their histories and interactions, etc. That is not Chomsky's subject. Chomsky is interested in the faculty of mind that allows us to acquire and use language, and it is the findings that he and others have uncovered that strongly suggest the existence of a language organ (not a term he uses [anymore], by the way) - the faculty of language that not only largely allows for our communication with each other, but that also allows for (the peculiarities of) human thought. When speaking of language, Chomsky is usually speaking of language in this sense, and not in the sense of English, French, Wolof, Thai, etc. (termed, natural languages). He is interested in the generative grammar that allows all normal humans to produce unprecedented sentences, etc. with limited means. That is, to have the capacity for infinite expression from limited means. More on this later, I suspect... Pinkville (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
There is also the question about the oft mentioned language organ and settings of parameters (I once attended a weird and illogical lecture by a devoted follower where that concept figured heavily, perhaps more of which later) along with the question of whether children acquire all languages with equal ease. The first thought that springs to mind is that the children are not able to decide the question. They have forgotten by the time they are able to answer. (Io)
Actually, the fact that children forget this "learning" is one bit of evidence that supports Chomsky's theories of language acquisition. The process seems to be nearly automatic. At this point, nearly every living language has been studied - and in Chomskyan linguistics, the weirder the language, the more likely it has been studied (e.g. Australian Aboriginal languages are at the centre of the field; and studies of sign languages have been pivotal), and the facts are in: children acquire language - regardless of where or which language(s) - in the same time frame and the same way. One of the key observations in Chomsky's analyses of language is that - in spite of the outrageous apparent difficulty of the task - children acquire language with nearly no instruction, and with apparent ease - almost as if they are simply waiting for it to come upon them. For example, though it takes years of intensive training to get a chimpanzee to acquire a few word, a human child acquires about 35 words per day from the age of 3 (until their teens, when the rate slows, slightly) - and without having to hear the various tense/person/etc. variations of each word. That is the "ease" of language acquisition of which Chomsky speaks. To contrast, the (now debunked) Behaviourist account of language acquisition was that children had to hear (and remember) every utterance that they might some day use... without any scope for simply knowing the grammar and creating their own utterances as circumstances demanded. Pinkville (talk) 02:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Just a single point (or perhaps a couple) in the midst of everything else, so that you don't think I've deserted you. :-) That children don't remember how they learned their language is neither here nor there. In the process of learning, they are not able to communicate, and what cannot be somehow kept in mind by some kind of system, call it a mental sign language or whatever you wish, can not be remembered. A terms like "now debunked" should not be bandied about. It (behaviourism) has been debunked to the satisfaction of those who were mostly against it in the first place or let themselves be swayed by Chomsky's skills at sweeping under the carpet. There is a world of qualified people out there who disagree. The late, lamented Larry Trask was one of them, one of the regrettably few linguists, who are cited in opposition to Chomsky in that particular article. The rest of the criticism is regrettably about politics and Chomskys apparent need to draw attention to himself in one field, when his attraction in another was on the wane. There is no such thing as a weird language except in the eye of the beholder. If you think English is somehow typical, then most languages look weird, but had Chomsky been born Turkish, his theory would have been different. Cross-species comparisons are also absolutely irrelevant. Sorry about this plain talk, but it's been a tiring day, and tomorrow will be worse. I'll pick up more substantial points (if you were about to tell me, that I'm merely speculatiog, I am aware of that :-) when I'm fresh. But still, Chomsky isn't in a position to say much of anything about the function of the mind, precisely because of his abstract approach. As a phycisist once said (according to my memory): "High-energy particle interactions don't take place in Hilbert spaces, they take place in a laboratory." The same can be said about language. All the best and hope to hear from you Io (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
One belated PS. As anyone who has learned a foreign language can attest, 35 new words per day are nothing astonishing, especially if a major proportion of your waking hours are devoted to the task. Children do have something to compare to, namely the rules they have already learnt, hence the frequency of errors based on analogy in their language. The first rules are learnt slowly, then at an accelerating pace, but that doesnt't have to mean that the rules are innate and in my opinion they are not. Use Occam's razor. The poverty of stimulus is vastly overrated. Don't parents talk to their children? I don't know of a single case, when they have not. In fact parents are usually talking all the time, when they are with their children. Cheers (and I will add comments as I think of them and find the time) :-) Io (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
This has been a long one. I'll keep the next one, if there is one, shorter. Feel free to answer, if you're so inclined, on my talk page. That frees your own from clutter and I will see the answer sooner. All the best Io (talk) 18:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

More linguistics including Chomsky

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Sorry about my continuing "harassment", but I'm thinking, and I as I understand it, I have an open invitation to "chatter aimlessly" :-) here. Feel free to ignore, if I'm boring you. To quote Chomsky:

The fact that all normal children acquire essentially comparable grammars with remarkable rapidity suggests that human beings are somehow specially designed to do this, with datahandling or hypothesis-formulating ability of unknown character and complexity. (Encyclopedia of Language and Linguistics, ed. K. Brown).

Very well, but who is to say that children acquire their mother tongue (or tongues) with remarkable rapidity? It takes a child years to become a competent speaker and for the first couple of years he or she has little to do except absorb and process information. Also note that he says essentially comparable grammars, which somewhat takes the bite out of his argument. It is of course not in dispute that there is a language organ, generally speaking. It's the brain, and since children do learn to speak that point is proven. It is even mostly known which part of the brain is responsible. But nothing about remarkable speed or ease follows logically. A great deal of a child's time is spent learning the language, slowly at first, then more rapidly as he becomes more adept and has more data to compare with. So why have people accepted the statement about extraordinary rapidity so readily? I'm not following any author here. This is something that has bothered me for quite a while, and, believe it or not, the idea is my own, although I do not doubt that some others have thought the same. It is known that children learn the same native language at very different speeds. It is also known that they, generally speaking, learn some facets of the language later than others. So why is the idea so difficult to accept that there may be differences in effort between languages? After all, learning language A may produce a competent speaker in X years and another speaker of language B in the same time, but who can prove that the same amount of intellectual effort is required in both cases? All children have, after all, is time for absortion and digestation of the continous bombardment of external stimuli.

You once said some thing to the effect of, that most who tackle Chomsky fail spectaculary by their own efforts. I hope you were only referring to amateurs like me. Competent linguists have also taken him on and failed to fail, so to speak. :-) (Io)

Actually, I was mostly thinking of the scads of academics (and wannabes) and media types who have taken him on. There's a particularly embarrassing interview by CBC's Evan Solomon of Chomsky (I think it's even on YouTube...) in which the interviewer clearly thinks he's got Chomsky by the balls, but he's only hung himself up by his own nuts. Even at the end, Solomon has no idea what has happened. In my experience, that's quite typical of most wannabe honest-makers of Chomsky. See also, this exemplary letter. There's an example in the field of linguistics I can supply - but the link isn't handy at the moment... I'll get back to you. Pinkville (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Regarding the language organ: Its existence is not in dispute any longer, but when Chomsky started (in the 1950s) it was against the backdrop of Skinnerian behaviourism, which denied innatism entirely. To this day, such anti-innatist ideas persist in some related fields, as indicated by a recent essay appearing in Sociology Today (Albert Bergesen, Chomsky Versus Mead, 2004) appealing to peers to accept that the mind has innate structures - against the still prevailing notion (in sociology, Bergesen argues), that it is a blank slate. (If you have access to JSTOR I can provide you with relevant link(s)). And to clarify, the language organ isn't the brain, per se, but the faculty of language which resides in the brain (and which is analogous to the optic system, say).
About the language organ. If its existence is not in dispute, where is it? An organ is a well defined concept in biology and the human body has been mapped very thoroughly. Another thing. If you read the opening sentences of the article on Stephen Pinker you'll see that there are two groups of psychologists and/or linguists debating evolution and heredity, very complex fields both, way out of their field. Methinks it is a case of hubris on both sides and I cannot but think of Her Almightiness, The Invisible Pink Unicorn. Cheers Io (talk) 20:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
As for the rapidity of child language acquisition, I responded to that in my earlier comment, above. But one point, studies show that (normal) children learn the same mother tongue at about the same rate, and in the same way, developmentally speaking. That is, it's not the case that some learn all the verbs first, then the nouns, and so on, while others learn nouns, then verbs. There are phases to language acquisition, but - on evidence - these seem to be essentially (i.e. fundamentally) the same regardless of the specific language involved. Furthermore, as Chomsky has pointed out, the apparent radical differences between various languages turn out to be much less different on closer examination than was previously thought - with at most very few deep differences between any languages noted. The variation between natural languages is all superficial, the deep structures are the same. Pinkville (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Actually, it's been fun writing this. I'll take you up on your offer of discussion on our respective talk pages. I hope you think this is a discussion, not some aimless rambling. :-) Cheerio Io (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

And please feel free to chatter. I'll respond (more fully) as soon as I can... I'm just on my way home from work. (And I've been collecting some readings...:~)) Pinkville (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Just out of curiosity. Where are you or more to the point, what is your time zone? I'm on Greenwich time. Cheers Io (talk) 21:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm in Montreal. So, Eastern (Daylight) Time. Pinkville (talk) 02:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Kibitzing here . . . if you want to see Chomsky taken on by a sharp interviewer, see his interrogation by Cap'n Spock in "Chomsky on the Enterprise", chapter 6 of this excellent book. -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

I've only read bits and pieces of Pullum, but I like what he has to say. Of course, the whole subject is... Fascinating... Pinkville (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Evidence under your nose

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Extending an invitation to me, like you did, is like giving a pyromaniac a matchbox. Anyway, yoy've probably heard this anecdote, but I've always found it funny and instructive (see topic title) so here goes:

A linguistics professor was giving a lecture about how various positive and negative statements can change meanings in various ways - double negatives, positive and negative etc. - but he ended the lecture by saying that there had yet to be found an example of two positives adding up to a negative - at which someone in the audience quickly stood up and said contemptuously: "Yeah, right!"

Well, perhaps I've got an odd sense of humour. Cheers, and by all means enlighten me as is within your power, since you have been collecting readings - the only hurdle should then be my comprehension. :-) Io (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

har har. Good joke! Pinkville (talk) 03:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

language

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I'll start with some general comments here, and then respond to your specific points, in turn, above. I've read much of Chomsky's available writings on language and mind intended for a non-specialist audience. I'm no linguist and I'm no scientist, but I have an active interest in the science of mind - the cognitive sciences, and I read what I can on the subject. I've also read much of Chomsky's political writings, and though I am personally interested in any possible connections between the two, it's important to point out that Chomsky himself doesn't see any significant knowable link between them. See, for instance, his opening remarks in his well-known 1970 lecture, Language and Freedom, also an excellent introduction to his understanding - at the time - of language and mind.

First, as I read it, Chomsky's primary intent in studying language is to understand the human mind. The premise is that language is the only part of the mind we understand at all well (and, at that, not so much anyway) and the only part of the mind for which we have easy access to evidence, i.e. language itself. Compare, for instance, psychology, which has only a relatively recent history as a subject of serious scientific inquiry* and which remains comparatively mysterious, without any known components that could compare with the known components of language: words, syntax, etc. Until recently (and, in no small measure, following from Chomsky), psychology was still mired in fallacious extrapolations from the pecking of pigeons to human behaviour (but that's another subject).

Though Chomsky writes strictly in English, he grew up reading, speaking, and teaching Hebrew. He studied Arabic in university, and the anecdotal evidence seems to be that he knows Yiddish, French and other languages besides.

Anyway, enough of preliminaries... Pinkville (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

*The serious study of language goes back thousands of years. I'd say (to my knowledge, Chomsky says nothing like this), that the study of psychology has - until the 19th century - primarily been conducted in literature. But there are Indian texts analysing language that date back well before Christ.

Some readings:

You'll find the Indian texts discussed here. As point of historical interest, you might also want look this up. It turns out that it was a countryman of mine who invented minimal pairs. :-). About the rest, ease of learning and all that more will follow, but I have seen too many examples of siblings learning to speak at different rates to be convinced that children learn their mother tongues at about the same rate. It makes a lot of difference, whether you give or take a year at that age. That the language organ in Chomsky's sense is no longer in dispute, is a very bold statement, and so is the statement that the deep structure (if there is one) is basically the same. There is consensus that language processing takes place in the brain and two parts of the brain have been associated with it, Broca's area and Wernicke's area. That is about as far as the agreement goes. If there were agreement, there would be little to write about, and yet authors pour out articles like the end is near.
Sorry, forgot to sign. All the best Io (talk) 21:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

To get something out of the way

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I think it should be mentioned that I'm not the least bit interested in Chomsky's politics. The bits and pieces I've heard or read are bizarre to me, and they will probably not be what the man will be remembered for. It is a pity that the article Criticism of Noam Chomsky deals almost exclusively with politics.

As for the rest, I think I'll begin with Chomsky and psychology for the simple reason that I have the 12 volume Handbook of Psychology, Editor-in-Chief Irving B. Weiner, Wiley & Sons, 2003. It is thus accessible to me (admittedly in a pdf-version), and fairly recent, covers the whole field and is published by a reputable house by reputable authors. Chomsky does get a fair amount of mentions there.

But, there's always a but, I'm getting pressed for time, preparing for the autumn semester (both as a grad student and TA, although I'm much older than the average for either) so I'll have to make do with easily accessible literature, and I don't have time for anything lengthy. Reading about anything but statistics and time series will have to be squeezed in, and then I also have an enormous amount of precipitation data to process. This does not mean I'm backtracking. I'm just warning you that this might drag on. Think of it as some sort of mail chess. I'll write when I've got time, energy and inspiration.

As an aside regarding psychology, it is a relative latecomer as a serious science. Freudian analysis does not qualify as science, for instance, although Freud himself acknowledged that his construction would eventually give way to chemistry, biology and the like. Unfortunately the next generation forgot about that and the id, ego, superego and whatnot took on lives of their own. It's worth remembering Richard Feynman's comparison of psychoanalysis to witch-doctoring. (Feynman, of course, realized that psychology based on solid evidence from biology, chemistry and physics is science - after all, he knew better than most what the scientific method entails.) But psychologists were poorly educated in those fields for a long time. I remember the time when Roger Sperry got his Nobel Prize. It was customary then (perhaps still is) for the winners in chemistry, physics and medicine to have a discussion afterwards, where they often went far and wide. Sperry (who at least knew how to conduct experiments) spent quite some time trying to convince the physicists that they (the physicists) didn't really understand physics!

Thank you for the links, and I have high hopes, now that everyone is showing himself from his better side (well, you didn't show a bad side as I recall :-), that this should be both fun and educational. All the best Io (talk) 20:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Physiology and neural networking

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After stealing some time to read a couple of articles, it seems to me that Chomsky thinks of languages mainly in terms of computers. Indeed, his first level refers to Turing machines. But, has he ever delved into neural networking (I mean artificial networking here) which is how computers learn and would seem to be a good paradigm for the human learning process. (Neural networking was actually inspired by non-chomskian ideas about how the brain works.) Also, has he ever studied the actual biological or more precisely, physiological, function of the brain? He is a linguist, not a physiologist. To end this with a short analogy, which I heard years ago: "Chomsky's approach is comparable to trying to find out how a car engine works by studying its exhaust fumes." (I can't supply you with a reference, but the analogy stuck in my mind.) I'm returning to my probability distributions now, but damn the Internet and damn Wikipedia - once you get going the next thing you know is that you're a couple of hours past bedtime and you've got nothing to show for it in real life. :-) All the best Io (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Happy Independence Day!

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As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! I'm all for independence! Pinkville (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Incidentally, so am I, and others may have it as well, even Americans. :-) Io (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

For your delectation

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James Michael Gomez‎. Just one of hundreds of major talents. Or not. -- Hoary (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Wow, they're getting younger and younger, too! Still, there might yet be a prodigy, I suppose... Pinkville (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Small potatoes. And now, something written with real professionalism. -- Hoary (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Slick... Pinkville (talk) 11:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Heavy relief. -- Hoary (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

If I'm boring you ...

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... just say so. I admit that I've bombarded you with comments and musings, but if you think they're too dumb to deserve an answer, you might say that, and I won't be offended. On the other hand, if you don't have any answers, you might say that too. No harm no foul, but I'm beginning to get the impression that I'm talking to myself here. You could gather the comments and questions and deal with them by category, for instance, "This doesn't deserve an answer", "I don't know", "I'm still thinking" or "Here's the answer". Lack of time is also quite an acceptable reason. All the best Io (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sorry about not getting back earlier - I am strapped for time at the moment (though I've read your posts, I haven't had a chance to form an intelligent response yet). I'll reply properly later today or tomorrow. So, I'm by no means bored, etc... just slow! :~) Pinkville (talk) 15:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
You have my full sympathy about being strapped for time. As it is, I have had to steal time to write anything on this page at all - between reading statistics and trying to get my MATLAB-programs to behave. :-) Take your time. Cheerio Io (talk) 15:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
One question about the deep structure. This actually requires a prologue, which is as follows.
It seems to be an article of faith among linguists of all stripes that all languages are, more or less, equally "complex". The reasons they give for that happen to coincide to a large degree with Chomsky's arguments (at various stages in his development). Examples are, for instance:
Children learn languages at approximately the same rate.
Any child can be taken as an infant, transplanted to a different community and he/she will learn the language there at the same rate as the natives. (No argument there, as far as I'm concerned.)
Some languages may be less complicated than others in one respect (e.g. Icelandic morphology is way more complicated than that of English, to name two languages I know), but the complexity to make it up is in that case stuck in other areas of the language. (English syntax is often mentioned in this case.) But I've just been leafing through an Icelandic syntax, 800 pages or so and still much left to be explained, so I can't really accept that reasoning.
This leads me to the conclusion, that the credo of equal complexity (not that there is any metric for that, as far as I know, please tell me, if you do) is a preparation for another credo, namely that all languages are equally worthy of study, which I heartily agree with.
So, the question becomes as follows: Knowing the phonetic, morphological and syntactical complexities of at least one language well, I would be interested in knowing, how a Universal grammar accounts for all that. Icelandic (or pick another language to your liking) has exceptions and exceptions to exceptions in abundance, it is morphologically complex and its syntax is at least as complicated as the English one, to say nothing abut the phonology, so it seems to me, having just had a brief refresher, that the majority of the language has to be aquired without the help of an innate grammar, which by definition produces a finite set of rules and does not predict exceptions. (Recursion does, indeed, provide for an infinite set, but no language can realize that.) As any historical liguist will tell you, there are various forces at work, analogy, levelling and so on, all of which has to be learnt by exposure to each language. Cheers Io (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
PS: If you would like to save some space on your talk page, and take this discussion up per e-mail, it's OK. We both chose to be able to receive mail, so that is an option. Just drop me a line and I'll answer. If not, let's continue here. All the best Io (talk) 19:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I think you're simplifying the notion of UG and exaggerating the significance that it has for many people concerned with it. You may find Newmeyer's Possible and Probable Languages of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm very probably simplifying the notion, which is actually bad, since a more complicated system than what I have got the impression of, only makes things worse. I may be exaggerating the impact (let's hope so) but then we have to take into account, which period we are talking about. Linguistics seems to be recovering from Chomsky, gradually, but there was a time when Chomsky was linguistics, for all practical purposes. Thanks for the reference, but I don't have the time nor resources to spend on reading books on the subject. I'll have to make do with what I already have (e.g. Comrie's Language Universals), but otherwise I'm really in a pinch, learning and doing other stuff, about which see above. But thanks and all the best Io (talk) 16:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I've lead a varied life for the past decade or more, but the only constant has been my interest in mathematics. And, having read quite a bit about it and having an interest in languages, that is where I see Chomsky fail. Just to clarify. All the best Io (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
PS: If there is a language organ, where is it? You can't postulate an organ without proving its physical existence. Now, according to Pinkville, if I have understood him correctly, its existence is not in debate (a questionable statement in itself) and also that the brain isn't it. I really am shocked. You have to be able to make predictable claims, and if you go as far as postulating an organ without being able to locate it you're in the same situation as when I postulate the existence of my ketchup-gland, which hasn't been found yet but does regulate the amount of ketchup in my blood-stream and also provides my blood with its colour - medical opinion notwithstanding, the red blood cells have nothing to do with the colour - the medical doctors have just not understood linguistics correctly. (I'll leave out a smiley here, I don't know the one which combines sarcasm and everything else - but this was a deliberately extreme example): Cheers Io (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Here's a link to a new sub-page for ongoing discussions of Chomsky, linguistics, and anything else that folks would like to discuss in greater depth than is convenient on a talk page... Pinkville (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Bob Shell

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Unusual, a photographer convicted of and imprisoned bigtime for manslaughter. But it seems that a mere guilty verdict and life imprisonment doesn't satisfy some editors of Wikipedia. Take a look at the article's edit history, and consider adding it to your watchlist. -- Hoary (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Gaudenzio Marconi

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Dear Pinkville, May I challenge you ?! I think it would be interesting to improve Gaudenzio Marconi. Best regards, Jatayou (talk) 09:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

So, pistols at dawn? ;~) Oh no, much better to work on this article together! Good idea. See you there soon... Pinkville (talk) 11:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Klein / Stiglitz

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Hello--I thought my double-quote from Stiglitz was a good way to handle it. There's good stuff and bad stuff throughout the review, and I thought that without devoting a whole lot to that one review, those two quotes best summed it up. There are lots of qualifications he makes throughout the review, opening right up with implications that it's full of conspiracy theories, and talking about oversimplification, but including all that would get out of hand. (We can discuss on talk page if you'd prefer.) Cretog8 (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Ha! NM, I see while I was writing this, you started on the talk page. I'll go there instead.Cretog8 (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Hi, indeed, I responded on the article talk page. Pinkville (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Well excuuuuuuuse me

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One fucking thing after another. -- Hoary (talk) 14:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

I expect the result of this TfD discussion will be an order to convert all related content to a myriad of sub-stubs. Then we'll have danced a full circle. Pinkville (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Oh. That's what you meant by "fingerpopping"! Gwen Gale (talk) 15:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Do you think there's any significance to your getting the euphemised version while I got the hard core? :~) Pinkville (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

To all members of the Anarchist Task Force - about improvement of the AI-Wiki-page

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I have just joined the Anarchist Task Force, and I have had some problems with publishing of my Anarchist International Wikipedia page, see my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Quist/Anarchist_International for the present version/proposal. This page needs improvements to reach Wiki-consensus, and this should be a somewhat collective project to avoid a "COI"-template. As I am new to editing here on Wikipedia I need help with the page, I hope for your cooperation with this improvement. As an introduction to this cooperation, feel free to read this note on my talk page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anna_Quist#Message_to_all_anarchists_on_Wikipedia_-_Anarchy_is_cooperation_without_coercion.2Fdestruction.2Fdeletion_-_about_the_deletion_of_the_AI-Wiki-page_and_cooperation_to_achieve_an_updated_AI-page_with_general_Wiki-consent .

Any contribution, matter of fact criticism, to give input and advice, or even contribute to new sections, will be helpful, and is much appreciated. Please join in the project...

(Anna Quist (talk) 17:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC))Reply

Photographers Task Force

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If you can spare a moment from the excitement of marching under a black flag, perhaps I can again draw your attention to (the soon to be deleted?) Template:History of photography-related articles: there are some interesting people appearing. (I have access to a stunning book about Boggiani and hope to lick that particular article into shape.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Can't breathe... black flag... cutting off... air...
You're absolutely right. Some very interesting names, and not just the famous Muppet photographer, John Barrett! I'll have a closer look! Pinkville (talk) 01:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Take heart. -- Hoary (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

The trouble with the huge and handsome Boggiani book is that it's so multilingual that not much is written in any of its languages. No article for Boggiani in the two-volume Routledge encyclopedia of 19th century photography (which I notice lazily lets Bennett skip macrons and thus distort Japanese names), none in the Oxford Companion, and "my" library turns out to have no dictionary of anthropologists/ethnographers. There was at least one recent book anthologizing and discussing early photographs of American Indians but this doesn't mention him. Apparently he gets a favorable write-up in Tristes Tropiques, but I've mislaid my copy of this splendidly readable book and anyway I have a dim view of Professeur Blue-jeans' concern for the facts. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story... I have a number of possible sources available that I'll consult, and with some luck I might find el dorado! Will let you know (or the findings will magically appear). Pinkville (talk) 13:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

This could have been by you!

Should I blame Bennett or Tuttle for the mangling of Japanese? Whichever, verifying/fixing the result is most irritating. -- Hoary (talk) 03:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Tennett or Buttle... indeed, it's annoying! And even I should have guessed those macron additions. Slowly filling in the very early history. Pinkville (talk) 11:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I could only guess a third or so; th' missus helped with a bit more, and then frantic googling around verified the guesses and corrected one. It's not easy. What's irritating is that Bennett (presumably) knew, and then he or somebody else perversely decided to suppress the information. -- Hoary (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

AfD nomination of One Day in the Life of Andrei Arsenevich

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An editor has nominated One Day in the Life of Andrei Arsenevich, an article you edited, for deletion, with this comment:

I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One Day in the Life of Andrei Arsenevich. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Mayalld (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 19:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Liberal rubbish! Try this and then let's go out and shoot something. -- Hoary (talk) 15:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Totally awesome! Let's go shooting, but don't bring Dick!
When I was working at the airport, every fall I would see the hunters returning from Kuujjuaq and Puvirnituq on their way back to the States, etc. I once saw a hunter with a broken leg wearing a very charming camouflage booty over his cast. And another time, I noticed a hunter in the middle of the Tie Rack store adjusting the straps on his baby carrier... only for me to finally realise that he was actually fixing the wrapping on his caribou...
Btw, Palin is, like, totally awesome! Pinkville (talk) 00:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
The monkey said it first! Uh, which airport was that? Hoary (talk) 00:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
That which was then called, merely, Dorval Airport. Pinkville (talk) 00:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
"Montréal Dorky Aérodrome"? Did they, like, speak French there? Ewww! -- Hoary (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Oh, and I hope you've supported our troops by listening to this important video. Pinkville (talk) 01:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Damn, she's hot. In particular, she's so hot in the last 40 seconds or so that some spoilsport has blanked it out. So I'm missing the, uh, "butt parts". -- Hoary (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC) ... Thinking of which, veep schmeep, Palin for Prez! -- Hoary (talk) 14:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Now, that's my kind of Palin!
Pity about the butt parts... they were delicious in the earlier, uncarved version. Pinkville (talk) 13:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Oh yeah, a further note on Sandy Belle. Pinkville (talk) 13:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
I quote a comment perhaps not by you: Thanks for the info! I’ll pass it on to the person who told me about the video; he wasn’t sure but felt rather certain it was satire. What with the "sperms" and all that, it is indeed hard to be absolutely sure (or sure to be absolutely hard, or something). Nice graphic on the top left by the way. Yes, dear boy. It's by a chap called Banksy. But the real question that people should be asking about a video such as this is of course, will it blend?. -- Hoary (talk) 15:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Norman Finkelstein

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There seems to be some trouble brewing at NF. I don't think you can mess round with a lead on a delicate article like this. I have reverted once, while the depaulcize newby keeps plunking a very poor piece of sardonic vitriol back into para.1. I haven't reverted his revert. I would appreciate if some of the admins keep an eye on this, since we have in the past had a fairly broad agreement on all sides that quality material (not Plaut, who is a notorious controversialist writing for a dubious source) is the aim, and that editing at this stage should be consensual, and discussed beforehand on the talkpage. Thank you Nishidani (talk) 19:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

I am indeed keeping an eye on the article (as always), and the moment further disruptive editing by depaulcize occurs he/she will be dealt with. Thanks for the headsup! Pinkville (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Chop chop chop!

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This sez:

Shortest path from Sada Abe to Will It Blend?
Sada Abe April 27 Department store Blender Will It Blend?
4 clicks needed

Should The American Shopper be told? -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Muslimgauze image advice

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Hello! (I've picked you as a suitable informant, based on your past edits at Muslimgauze, and remarks/character I agree with above ;)

I recently welcomed a brand new editor, User:I. Khider, whom appears to be an official biographer for Bryn Jones, and says he has "access to A LOT of images" that might be useful/useable here. (I found his forthcoming book appears on amazon). He is looking for advice on how to deal with Images here, a realm I'm not at all familiar with. I was wondering if you might be interested in assisting him and educating us both at User talk:I. Khider#Muslimgauze, or, if you could point me towards someone else you'd recommend? Much thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Greetings Pinkville,

First, thank you for your offers of help as posted on the discussion page. There are two realms I need guidance on, suggestions of what sort of images would be prudents to include in the Muslimgauze Wikipedia entry. Out of a myriad of images, we just need a few to facilitate an encyclopedia entry. Could you suggest where in the entry would it be best to include images? At some point I also want to include sound--but out of 200 albums, it will be tough to figure out which minute long sound bite to use! Currently the entry has 'Starter Status'. I am gunning for "Feature Article" and know I have a long way to go. Any advice to get me on the path to that coveted status? Thank you in advance. I. Khider (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Get stuck in mate

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Mark Miremont, Justin Grant . . . en:WP is bristling with major, major talents meriting your editorial services. -- Hoary (talk) 16:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Paul Couvrette? -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
Jesus, I thought I'd already done something to that article! (Karsh is boring, his Grasshopper must be spectacular!). Oh, how about that, it's the article's first anniversary (or one-year anniversary, as they say). We'll see... Pinkville (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

In other news . . . I'd been thinking of nominating one or two clueful people as administrator. These are people who've been beavering away writing articles and making informative contributions to substantive discussions about these, rather than people who spend a lot of time hanging around "admin-related work" (as I now realize I used to do, before some other admin plucked me from obscurity and landed me in RfA). But I fear that this rantlet may have queered my chances with a large percentage of the peanut gallery I mean !voters. -- Hoary (talk) 00:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

I noticed said rantlet... I'd be happy to help gee up some worthies to the exalted ranks of the seraphim [did I mix enough metaphors?]. Pinkville (talk) 02:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
This young chap seems interested. -- Hoary (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Pinkville, perhaps

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Morning, Pink. I'm sorry to note that KP Botany seems to have vanished again. I don't know what happened, but his recent edit summaries include what's now at the end of this, on a subject I thought you might know about. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Labor / Worker's Rights project

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I recently drafted a proposal for a Worker's Rights & Labor Issues WikiProject ... I thought you might be interested, since you are working on the Anarchism project ...

Cheers! Jrtayloriv (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Infoboxes again

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They're being added. Hoary (talk) 02:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Richard Green, Australian photographer

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No mention on WP. This is a pity. Do you have any leads? It's a rather different genre from many of your interests, though. User_talk:Jenafalt#Australian_photographers. Tony (talk) 10:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'll see what I can do! Pinkville (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Green schmeen: exhale as deeply as you can, and inhale this. -- Hoary (talk) 00:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Wow. That's a superb example of... what it is. In fact, I'm drowning in it. Too bad you decided to prune it a bit... Pinkville (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Nonsense

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I came here to look at someone who calls my nice sentences nonsense and find you are interested in 19th century photography. Why then are there no articles on the Pueblo and Hopi photographers like Adam Vroman or Kate Cory or Ben Wittick or thousands others? At the moment I have only very louse dictionaries right here, so cannot really do much about it myself.--Radh (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Indeed, it was a very nicely formed sentence that didn't make much sense. :~)
The problem for WP articles on 19th century photography is that there are so few editors interested in writing them. I've not been very active for 6 months or more, and my 19th c. photographic expertise centres on Japan, China and SE Asia. The most dedicated editor on (non-gadget) photographic subjects is Hoary. He might have something to add on the subject; you'll have to ask him. However, I am indeed interested in the subjects you raise and I do have some pertinent resources at my disposal... I'll see what I can do. Pinkville (talk) 02:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, I will also look around, but I am cut off from useful libraries right now and the internet is often next to useless for these people. There is aWikip article on Jo Mora (Hopi. 1904- 06) and a stump on Hillers (on the german Wikip).--Radh (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Just saw your reply on Chomsky/discussion: Self-hating jew was, I believe, used and overused around 1900 (Weininger debate?) and I must say it is nice to hit over the head with and has been used mainly for this reason, but not much else. Apart from Chomsky, as I get old, I find the very vocal and mainly intellectual part of the radical left wing in Germany that calls itself antideutsch very distasteful for this reason alone, correct as they may be in part. Blind anti-nationalism is as useless as the real thing, it is not the criticism that is necessarily wrong, it is the attitude.--Radh (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
This may need a short expansion, I am not a nationalist, but I know a bit about the life my grandfather (soldier in WW1, ruin in the 20s, early death partly through leaking gasses at his work) and my father (WW2) had to live, so know Germany today is simply not neonazi and evil to the core.--Radh (talk) 03:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Just read your reply more carefully and there is really nothing fundamental in your attitude I could not share (with some reservations, of course). I am much more pessimistic about the chances of Israel to survive arab friendship (I know that the jews were treated much worse in Europe even before Hitler than in many arab countries most of the time). I also think my (rational or irrational) dislike of Chomsky, as well as your (rational or irrational) liking him, starts to get in the way of useful debate.--Radh (talk) 12:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

You press the button, we do the rest

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Yo Pink, care to look at this? (I'm going to bed.) -- Hoary (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hi again

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Sorry for the delayed answer, but I've been inactive for a very long time. I'll see you soon. All the best Io (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

GA reassessment of Hiroh Kikai

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I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

-- although this had effortlessly passed the same process. -- Hoary (talk) 01:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I don't believe I managed to keep the irritation out of my response to this Kikai kaka... Then again, I didn't try too hard. Pinkville (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Our man Jez made at least one very good point: that a book by X isn't a RS for a claim that X has achieved this or that. I fixed that and the article's a lot better for it; it may well have benefited in other ways too. So I approve of these "sweeps" when they're done intelligently, as that one was. Meanwhile, elsewhere.... Hoary (talk) 03:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Your library

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-- invites you. -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

The Goodness of Articles on photographers

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Duh.

I haven't read the rest of this "Good" article. Frankly, I don't want to. --

Howard Zinn

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Please discuss adding the video on Talk:Howard Zinn. Thank you. Wyatt Riot (talk) 18:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

I thought i had discussed this... but I've added a further comment anyway. Pinkville (talk) 20:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Place Ville-Marie

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Hi there,

I see on your user page that you live in Montreal. I am going to assume that you have heard of Place Ville-Marie in asking you this question. The reports of the number of floors in Place Ville-Marie vary from 43 to 46. Do you, with your Montreal expertise, know the actual number of floors in this structure, or could you possibly visit this building to find out? Thanks,

-Stuck in Edmonton 117Avenue (talk) 22:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Funny. :~) As a matter of fact, I work at a museum that stores the architectural drawings for Place Ville-Marie, so I can certainly check out this fact for you. I recall that PVM went through some major changes before and during construction - I don't remember if these included changes in the number of floors, but if so, this might account for the discrepancy. I let you know my findings as soon as I can. Pinkville (talk) 00:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Other editors are saying that it went from 44 to 47 floors in the 1960s. 117Avenue (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Chomsky

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My deletion of the philosophy of language template was accidental, so you were correct in restoring it. Chomsky is however a Trotskyist, and not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist at all. Regards. Sir Richardson (talk) 19:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

But he is in no way a Trotskyist... He is an anarchist, is a critic of Bolshevism and all phases of the Soviet Union, and has repeatedly reviled Trotsky's actions and apologetics for Soviet crimes. I regret that I don't follow your reference to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Pinkville (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
Ah yes, now I see you (properly) removed the 9/11 conspiracy theorists category. Folks should actually read the guy before they enroll him in the dis/favoured club of the day. Pinkville (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
 
A solid New Year to you, Pinkville! Get a grip, stick it to The Man, and, um, if you have some free time then consider writing some more stuff about photography. (It'll soon be too cold to do much else, no?) -- Hoary (talk) 14:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
 
Oi! Hurry up and add some Alltagskultur oder Hochkultur content or we shall return to taunt you a second time. -- Verband Bildender Künstler der DDR 03:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

 


reply

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makes sense. FC Toronto (talk) 11:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Talkback

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Hello, Pinkville. You have new messages at Grim23's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Grim23 06:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

Photography in Denmark

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Hello Pinkville. Thought I would drop you a line in view of your interest in the early history of photography and your keen involvement in Wikiproject History of Photography. I've been writing a number of articles in connection with Danish culture and have recently started this one on Danish photography. I would very much appreciate your assistance in helping to improve the article, either directly by your own edits or by providing suggestions on the article's talk page. If you think it is a candidate for DYK, please feel free to submit it.

Perhaps you can also let me know of any other active editors who might be interested in contributing. I'm afraid that up to now there has only been one other interested party as you will see from the edit history.

Once we've brought the article up to at least B quality, I hope to back it up with a number of biographies on Danish photographers and perhaps a few more on museums, galleries, exhibitions, etc. Ipigott (talk) 09:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

You're invited!

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Hello, Pinkville,

You are invited meet with your fellow Wikipedians by attending the Montréal meetup scheduled on Sunday, June 27, 2010; between 1500 - 1700 to be held at the Comité Social Centre Sud (CSCS), located at 1710 Beaudry, in Montréal. You can sign up at the meetup page.

The meetup is happening in concurrence with RoCoCo 2010, a free, bilingual, weekend unconference including many people involved with Wikis both within the Wikipedia/Wikimedia Community and abroad. You do not need to attend the conference to sign up for the Wikimeetup, but you are certainly welcome! Bastique ☎ call me!

(PS: Please share this with those you know who might not be on the delivery list, i.e. Users in Montreal/Quebec)

Delivered by SoxBot (talk) 00:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Felice Beato

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I have nominated Felice Beato for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jan 1922 (talk) 20:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Changes on Nigerian Civil War

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Hallo there,

Thanks for your hard work on wikipedia.
I have noticed that you have reverted three changes recently made on the Nigerian Civil war.
Please join the discussion that has been opened on the article talk page to see whether these changes will acquire consensus or not. If no concerns will be made I guess I will revert them as they were to the last revision.
Yours faithfully.

Maurice Carbonaro (talk) 12:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

I have nominated Felice Beato for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 20:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

MSU Interview

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Dear Pinkville,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
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  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at [email protected] (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at [email protected]. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.206.39 (talk) 03:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

Vogel

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Someone is calling for a source for some material you added here. Have you got one? Dicklyon (talk) 03:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

de/De

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Ping! -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

You're invited: Art & Feminism Edit-a-thon

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Art & Feminism Edit-a-Thon - You are invited!
Hi Pinkville! The first ever Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon will be held on Saturday, February 1, 2014 across the United States and Canada - including Montreal! Wikipedians of all experience levels are welcome to join!

Any editors interested in the intersection of feminism and art are welcome. Experienced editors will be on hand to help new editors. Bring a friend and a laptop! Come one, come all! Learn more here!

Request for comment

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Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Woodburytype in 1862

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Hi, I would like to ask you as founder of Woodburytype, if you have some explanation to my question on Commons? For example Metropolitan Museum connects Woodburytype and year cca 1863, it means one year before discovered. I prepared that file for ″Picture of the Week on Czech Wikipedia", where I used year cca 1862. It seems to me a little bit nonsense. Thank you very much.--Misbeliever (talk) 13:50, 14 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Nomination of E. A. Sargent for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article E. A. Sargent is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E. A. Sargent until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

A barnstar for you!

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  The Original Barnstar
Thanks for setting up the posting on Pierre Rossier! Orossier (talk) 20:34, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Speedy deletion nomination of Genre painting

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Hello Pinkville,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Genre painting for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Music1201 (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Extended confirmed protection

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Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins

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Hello,

Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

A new user right for New Page Patrollers

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Hi Pinkville.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins).MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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Hello, Pinkville. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter - February 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

  Administrator changes

  NinjaRobotPirateSchwede66K6kaEaldgythFerretCyberpower678Mz7PrimefacDodger67
  BriangottsJeremyABU Rob13

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
  • Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
  • The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

  Arbitration

  Obituaries

  • JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2017).

  Administrator changes

  AmortiasDeckillerBU Rob13
  RonnotelIslanderChamal NIsomorphicKeeper76Lord VoldemortSherethBdeshamPjacobi

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • A recent query shows that only 16% of administrators on the English Wikipedia have enabled two-factor authentication. If you haven't already enabled it please consider doing so.
  • Cookie blocks should be deployed to the English Wikipedia soon. This will extend the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user after they switch accounts under a new IP.
  • A bot will now automatically place a protection template on protected pages when admins forget to do so.

Administrators' newsletter – April 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2017).

  Administrator changes

  TheDJ
  XnualaCJOldelpasoBerean HunterJimbo WalesAndrew cKaranacsModemacScott

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a discussion on the backlog of unpatrolled files, consensus was found to create a new user right for autopatrolling file uploads. Implementation progress can be tracked on Phabricator.
  • The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, has been removed following an RfC.
  • An RfC has closed with consensus to allow proposed deletion of files. The implementation process is ongoing.
  • After an unsuccessful proposal to automatically grant IP block exemption, consensus was found to relax the criteria for granting the user right from needing it to wanting it.

  Technical news

  • After a recent RfC, moved pages will soon be featured in a queue similar to Special:NewPagesFeed and require patrolling. Moves by administrators, page movers, and autopatrolled editors will be automatically marked as patrolled.
  • Cookie blocks have been deployed. This extends the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user if they switch accounts, even under a new IP.

Administrators' newsletter – May 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  KaranacsBerean HunterGoldenRingDlohcierekim
  GdrTyreniusJYolkowskiLonghairMaster Thief GarrettAaron BrennemanLaser brainJzGDragons flight

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Miscellaneous

  • Following an RfC, the editing restrictions page is now split into a list of active restrictions and an archive of those that are old or on inactive accounts. Make sure to check both pages if searching for a restriction.

Administrators' newsletter – June 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2017).

  Administrator changes

  Doug BellDennis BrownClpo13ONUnicorn
  ThaddeusBYandmanBjarki SOldakQuillShyamJondelWorm That Turned

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – July 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2017).

  Administrator changes

  Happyme22Dragons flight
  Zad68

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Miscellaneous

  • A newly revamped database report can help identify users who may be eligible to be autopatrolled.
  • A potentially compromised account from 2001–2002 attempted to request resysop. Please practice appropriate account security by using a unique password for Wikipedia, and consider enabling two-factor authentication. Currently around 17% of admins have enabled 2FA, up from 16% in February 2017.
  • Did you know: On 29 June 2017, there were 1,261 administrators on the English Wikipedia – the exact number of administrators as there were ten years ago on 29 June 2007. Since that time, the English Wikipedia has grown from 1.85 million articles to over 5.43 million.

Administrators' newsletter – August 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  AnarchyteGeneralizationsAreBadCullen328 (first RfA to reach WP:300)
  CpromptRockpocketRambo's RevengeAnimumTexasAndroidChuck SMITHMikeLynchCrazytalesAd Orientem

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news


Beato

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Good to see your name popping up as an editor of the article on Beato ... but the edit summary for this -- ouch! You removed the unreferenced (and conceivably quite fictional) assertion (not by me!) that, quote, Scott O’Connor used a number of these images in his two books, The Silken East in 1904 and Mandalay and Other Cities of the Past in Burma in 1907, popularizing Beato’s work to an even larger extent, unquote. As even the newer book (OCLC 969983442) is well over a century old, I don't suppose that this is promotional ... unless perhaps there's a lot more money in the facsimile reprint business than I'd imagine. -- Hoary (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ha ha! Should have looked a little more closely! In that case, I can imagine a number of more appropriate edit summaries. I'm not sure how effective these books were in "popularizing Beato’s work to an even larger extent" considering his virtual invisibility until very recently. Meanwhile... I hope you're well! Every now and then my head pops up out of the burrow. Pinkville (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Before it pops back down again, how about this article? (I have some sympathy for both sides of the argument over it.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Damn, didn't get there in time, but fortunately the result was just (I reckon). Pinkville (talk) 16:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – September 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  NakonScott
  SverdrupThespianElockidJames086FfirehorseCelestianpowerBoing! said Zebedee

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • You will now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device that has logged into your account before, you will be notified after five failed attempts. You can also set in your preferences to get an email when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address, which may be encouraged for admins and accounts with sensitive permissions.
  • Syntax highlighting is now available as a beta feature (more info). This may assist administrators and template editors when dealing with intricate syntax of high-risk templates and system messages.
  • In your notification preferences, you can now block specific users from pinging you. This functionality will soon be available for Special:EmailUser as well.

  Arbitration

  • Applications for CheckUser and Oversight are being accepted by the Arbitration Committee until September 12. Community discussion of the candidates will begin on September 18.

Administrators' newsletter – October 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  Boing! said ZebedeeAnsh666Ad Orientem
  TonywaltonAmiDanielSilenceBanyanTreeMagioladitisVanamonde93Mr.Z-manJdavidbJakecRam-ManYelyosKurt Shaped Box

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • Community consultation on the 2017 candidates for CheckUser and Oversight has concluded. The Arbitration Committee will appoint successful candidates by October 11.
  • A request for comment is open regarding the structure, rules, and procedures of the December 2017 Arbitration Committee election, and how to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.

Administrators' newsletter – November 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  LonghairMegalibrarygirlTonyBallioniVanamonde93
  Allen3Eluchil404Arthur RubinBencherlite

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Obituaries

  • The Wikipedia community has recently learned that Allen3 (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as JohnCD. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

Administrators' newsletter – December 2017

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  Joe Roe
  JzG
  EricorbitPercevalThinggTristanbVioletriga

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Over the last few months, several users have reported backlogs that require administrator attention at WP:ANI, with the most common backlogs showing up on WP:SPI, WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. It is requested that all administrators take some time during this month to help clear backlogs wherever possible. It should be noted that AIV reports are not always valid; however, they still need to be cleared, which may include needing to remind users on what qualifies as vandalism.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation Community health initiative is conducting a survey for English Wikipedia contributors on their experience and satisfaction level with Administrator’s Noticeboard/Incidents. This survey will be integral to gathering information about how this noticeboard works (i.e. which problems it deals with well and which problems it struggles with). If you would like to take this survey, please sign up on this page, and a link for the survey will be emailed to you via Special:EmailUser.

ArbCom 2017 election voter message

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Hello, Pinkville. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – January 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2017).

 

  Administrator changes

  Muboshgu
  AnetodeLaser brainWorm That Turned
  None

  Bureaucrat changes

  Worm That Turned

  Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether the administrator policy should be amended to require disclosure of paid editing activity at WP:RFA and to prohibit the use of administrative tools as part of paid editing activity, with certain exceptions.

  Technical news

  Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – February 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  None
  BlurpeaceDana boomerDeltabeignetDenelson83GrandioseSalvidrim!Ymblanter

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
  • Editors responding to threats of harm can now contact the Wikimedia Foundation's emergency address by using Special:EmailUser/Emergency. If you don't have email enabled on Wikipedia, directly contacting the emergency address using your own email client remains an option.

  Technical news

  • A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.

  Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – March 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  Lourdes
  AngelOfSadnessBhadaniChris 73CorenFridayMidomMike V
† Lourdes has requested that her admin rights be temporarily removed, pending her return from travel.

  Guideline and policy news

  • The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
  • Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
  • A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
  • A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

  Technical news

  • CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
  • The edit filter has a new feature contains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.

  Miscellaneous

  Obituaries

  • Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

Administrators' newsletter – April 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  331dotCordless LarryClueBot NG
  Gogo DodoPb30SebastiankesselSeicerSoLando

  Guideline and policy news

  • Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
  • Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
  • The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
  • The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

  Miscellaneous

  • A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.

Administrators' newsletter – May 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  None
  ChochopkCoffeeGryffindorJimpKnowledge SeekerLankiveilPeridonRjd0060

  Guideline and policy news

  • The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
  • A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

  Technical news

  • AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new equals_to_any function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
  • When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
  • The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
  • There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

  Arbitration

  Obituaries

  • Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  None
  Al Ameer sonAliveFreeHappyCenariumLupoMichaelBillington

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

  Arbitration

  • A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – July 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  PbsouthwoodTheSandDoctor
  Gogo Dodo
  AndrevanDougEVulaKaisaLTony FoxWilyD

  Bureaucrat changes

  AndrevanEVula

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

  Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
  • Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon ( ) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.

  Miscellaneous

  • Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  Sro23
  KaisaLYmblanter

  Guideline and policy news

  • After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
  • Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

  Technical news


Administrators' newsletter – September 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  None
  AsterionCrisco 1492KFKudpungLizRandykittySpartaz
  Optimist on the runVoice of Clam

  Interface administrator changes

  AmorymeltzerMr. StradivariusMusikAnimalMSGJTheDJXaosflux

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

  Technical news

  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on mediawiki.org. They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  JustlettersandnumbersL235
  BgwhiteHorsePunchKidJ GrebKillerChihuahuaRami RWinhunter

  Interface administrator changes

  Cyberpower678Deryck ChanOshwahPharosRagesossRitchie333

  Oversight changes

  GuerilleroNativeForeignerSnowolfXeno

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
  • Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
  • The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
  • Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
  • Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.

  Arbitration

  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
  • The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en wikimedia.org. Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

ArbCom 2018 election voter message

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Hello, Pinkville. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).

 

  Administrator changes

  Al Ameer sonRandykittySpartaz
  BosonDaniel J. LeivickEfeEsanchez7587Fred BauderGarzoMartijn HoekstraOrangemike

  Interface administrator changes

 Deryck Chan

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
  • A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
  • A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
  • Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.

  Obituaries


Administrators' newsletter – January 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
  2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
  3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

  Technical news

  • Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
  1. At least 8 characters in length
  2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  3. Different from their username
User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.
  • Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
  • {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
  • Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

  EnterpriseyJJMC89
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  Interface administrator changes

 Enterprisey

  Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
  • Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

  Technical news

  • A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.

  Miscellaneous

  • Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • paid-en-wp wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • checkuser-en-wp wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
  • As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

ArbCom 2019 special circular

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Administrators must secure their accounts

The Arbitration Committee may require a new RfA if your account is compromised.

View additional information

This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

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ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

  Arbitration

  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

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  CheckUser changes

  Ivanvector

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

  Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – July 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

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1Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.
2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

  Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

  Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – August 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
  • The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist. Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

  BradvChetsfordIzno
  FloquenbeamLectonar
  DESiegelJake WartenbergRjanagTopbanana

  CheckUser changes

  CallaneccLFaraoneThere'sNoTime

  Oversight changes

  CallaneccFoxHJ MitchellLFaraoneThere'sNoTime

  Technical news

  • Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools.
  • The advanced version of the edit review pages (recent changes, watchlist, and related changes) now includes two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – October 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories.

  Technical news

  • As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  • A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

  Arbitration


ArbCom 2019 election voter message

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2019).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Interface administrator changes

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – February 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

  Technical news

  • Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
  • When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [1]

  Arbitration

  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.

  Miscellaneous



Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

  Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

  Miscellaneous



Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.

Administrators' newsletter – May 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

  GnangarraKaisershatnerMalcolmxl5

  CheckUser changes

  Callanecc

  Oversight changes

  HJ Mitchell

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – June 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

  CaptainEekCreffettCwmhiraeth
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  CheckUser changes

  SQL

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration

  • A motion was passed to enact a 500/30 restriction on articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. Article talk pages where disruption occurs may also be managed with the stated restriction.

Administrators' newsletter – July 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

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  Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – August 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Oversight changes

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

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  CheckUser changes

  SQL

  Guideline and policy news

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Guideline and policy news

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  Arbitration

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Administrators' newsletter – November 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

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  Arbitration

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ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2021

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2021).

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

  TJMSmith
  Boing! said ZebedeeHiberniantearsLear's FoolOnlyWGFinley

  Interface administrator changes

  AmandaNP

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
  • When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
  • There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

  AlexandriaHappyme22RexxS

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
  • Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

  Technical news

  • When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
  • Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

  EnchanterCarlossuarez46

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  Ragesoss

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  • The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

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FAR for Pierre Rossier

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I have nominated Pierre Rossier for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 22:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

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  HusondMattWadeMJCdetroitCariocaVague RantKingboykThunderboltzGwen GaleAniMateSlimVirgin (deceased)

  Guideline and policy news

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  • Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
  • An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

  Technical news

  • IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

  Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

  Technical news

  • Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Some clues about the birth place of Kahn-Tineta Horn and else

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Thanks for initiating the page on the extraordinary lady, the mother of Kaniehtiio Horn, Pinkville. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahn-Tineta_Horn, I'd like to raise my doubt on the birth place, New York City. Meanwhile, I noticed that another source, now cited as ref. #18, indicated that Ms Horn's birthplace is Caughnawaga, making better sense to me.

Among the material that can be googled, one webpage revealed better context for inferring Ms Horn's birthplace:[1]

1. Her father Assenaientor, aka Joe, like Caughnawaga men, went out of home to work as high-steel workers, as the Eastern Coast of North American facing its booming in construction around early 20th century. This became so prevalent that one neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York became a sort of downtown of Caughnawaga. But the reserve has remained home, and whenever there is no work, many of the Caughnawaga men in Brooklyn still return to their women and children.

2. Although roaming outside of Caughnawaga reserve since his age of 14 for two years, Joe returned to reserve and got married.

3. Ms Horn's early memory stated is the early memory of the reserve. Also, before she went to school was around the time while TV was about to enter the reserve, she didn't speak any of English before the school.

4. The first school she may go to is United Church school. And the school had a branch in the reserve during her childhood.[2]

From while Ms Horn's Father got married to Ms Horn's preschool years, I'd like to conclude that she would stay in the reserve, and hence being born in the reserve, now known as Kahnawake,[3] rather than New York City.



Here're some piece of information probably relevant to Ms Horn's page:

1. Ms Horn's portraits[4]

2. Quite some of Ms Horn's children are highly esteemed[5]

3. Ms Horn had stayed in New York City in her early life and maybe some of her younger siblings may be born outside of the reserve:[6]

Her father became successful and bought a trailer. Thus, the family may go around places except for the reserve, so that she went to six different schools in a year. She spent her eleventh year at P.S. 6 in Brooklyn. In the summer of 1953, when she was eleven. Her father was killed in a steel accident in Vermont. The family returned to the reserve afterwards.

The webpage providing good details of Ms Horn's background also stated that New York City played a special role to her:

She entered the English-speaking high school at Eachine, a suburb of Montreal and had her college in Montreal. And on a few applications for part-time work, she put down an address in Brooklyn, New York, where she had once lived as a child. Kc2020 (talk) 16:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Administrators' newsletter – September 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

  Jake Wartenberg
  EmperorViridian Bovary
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  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – October 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
  • Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
  • The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

  Miscellaneous

  • Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
  • The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.

Administrators' newsletter – November 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Phase 2 of the 2021 RfA review has commenced which will discuss potential solutions to address the 8 issues found in Phase 1. Proposed solutions that achieve consensus will be implemented and you may propose solutions till 07 November 2021.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Technical news

  • Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
  • The limit on the number of emails a user can send per day has been made global instead of per-wiki to help prevent abuse. (T293866)

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Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

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A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • The functionaries email list (functionaries-en lists.wikimedia.org) will no longer accept incoming emails apart from those sent by list members and WMF staff. Private concerns, apart from those requiring oversight, should be directly sent to the Arbitration Committee.

How we will see unregistered users

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Hi!

You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.

Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

If you have not seen it before, you can read more on Meta. If you want to make sure you don’t miss technical changes on the Wikimedia wikis, you can subscribe to the weekly technical newsletter.

We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
  • The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – March 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Administrators' newsletter – April 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
  • When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


New administrator activity requirement

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The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

  1. Made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least a 12-month period OR
  2. Made fewer than 100 edits over a 60-month period

Administrators at risk for being desysopped under these criteria will continue to be notified ahead of time. Thank you for your continued work.

22:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
  • The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

  Arbitration


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