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Doctor Who

In your opinion is the Doctor Who main page good enough for a GAN? I am inelegible to nominate it as I am not a major contributor and you are. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant: Unfortunately, no, I think the article needs a lot of work before it's ready for GA. There's a lot of fancruft, a possible over-reliance on in-universe material, and some of the newer information seems to suffer from proseline—plus, after my recent edit, it has over 50 {{Citation needed}} tags. It's a huge article, and would not be easy for any editor to tackle. Your edits have been great, but the article needs a lot more intense work to pass GAN, in my opinion. The choice is yours, of course, but, unless you were planning on collaborating with other editors, I would personally recommend putting your efforts into something less arduous. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Review notice

Please review this edit: [1]. Салтанк (talk) 07:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Салтанк. Please be more specific with what you would like reviewed, and why. Thanks. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The user re-added some contents which I had previously removed. Also, he/she didn't provide an "edit summary" to explain why. Салтанк (talk) 08:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Салтанк: The information seems legitimate and sourced, but I don't know enough about the topic to make a judgement. If you are still concerned about the additions, I would recommend talking to the editor directly, seeking advice from the article's WikiProjects (WT:FOOD and/or WT:BD), or, if necessary, perhaps discussing your concerns with an administrator. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

GTA SA

Sorry about the in use tag, I fell into a rabbit hole reading the dramaboards.

From what I have seen on the internet [2][3], Meta has not had any update on the development of San Andreas, which was announced for the Quest 2. The Quest 3 is now rapidly approaching, and given Meta's situation in the VR space I am not too sure of whether it will come out. I think this deserves a mention in the article, but whether it's a good idea to put in the lead is questionable in my eyes.

I do plan on putting this article forward for GA this month, if that is something you are interested in - you are one of the big editors in this article. I really want to see this article as a TFA on the 20th anniversary of its release, but that might be setting my sights too high. RetroCosmos ^talk 16:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@RetroCosmos: Thanks for reaching out. That Kotaku piece is a good find; it may be worth referencing. Glad to hear about your enthusiasm with the article; I actually started working on improving it a few years ago but never finished. I'll look into digging up my work-in-progress file tomorrow and applying any relevant changes. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 16:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I've expanded on existing sources in the controversies section. The goal is to get it as comprehensive as GTAV, but this is just a start. Please let me know if I've made any mistakes or if you see any improvements. Thanks! RetroCosmos ^talk 16:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That looks great so far! That was the one section that I mostly left as is, so it could definitely use some expansion to avoid ambiguity. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@RetroCosmos: Thanks for continuing to make great edits to the article; your additions to § Legacy (and aforementioned expansion of § Controversies) have been especially useful and insightful. I've just nominated the article for GA—I hope you don't mind, or feel I've jumped the gun. I look forward to collaborating more during this nomination—and if you still decide to take the article to FA later this year, I look forward to seeing your continued hard work and potentially collaborating further! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rhain, no worries, thank you for nominating. If I see anything I can do, I’ll get it done. Let’s get this to GA- it’s about time! Good day—RetroCosmos ^talk 05:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

GTA V writers

It's been over 3 weeks since I started the discussion proposing Michael Unsworth's inclusion in the writers field. There has been no response so far. Seems like people aren't too bothered. I still stand by my position and already explained my reasons. Unsworth is credited as writer in the opening credits and it's okay to combine the opening and ending credits since the field has enough space. So I'll go ahead with the edit. Wrath X (talk) 10:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. It seems like a logical edit overall—it's certainly interesting that the opening and closing credits differ for such a significant role.... – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Wolfenstein FAC?

Howdy.

Presently, I have Doom (2016 video game) FAC, following a lot of work to repair it during which I wondered how much it would take to bring the Wolfenstein reboots to FA. Wolfenstein: The New Order, which you got to GA, already looks pretty much complete. But you must have a reason for not taking it to FAC. Since you wrote the article, I'd like to know what those reasons were and if there's anything I can do to get the article to TFA. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 10:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vami IV: The main reason is simply my avoidance of FACs—I respect the process, but it is incredibly meticulous and demanding (as it likely should be), so I'm generally just happy with GAs. That being said, I think The New Order likely needs a full copy-edit before any attempts at FAC; there's a bit of an over-reliance on quotes (mostly in § Development, but also § Reception) and the prose could be trimmed and condensed fairly significantly. The article is in fine shape but, personally speaking, I wouldn't take it to FAC in its current state. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 11:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

If you like, I could look it over and then co-nominate it with you when I have an opening. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 00:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be open to that (especially if it has the added benefit of allowing you two simultaneous FACs). As I said, though, I think it needs a fairly significant overhaul. I'm not sure I'd even pass it at GAN in its current form. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Done deal. Pleased to work with you soon. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 08:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

New Barnstar for ya

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	For fulfilling the not-small-at-all task of bringing the article for iconic mid-2000s title and personal teenhood favorite Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas up to GAN-grade material. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Tommy Vercetti

Feel free to revert if you like. Maybe I was just surprised that all GTA characters were in bad shape except Trevor. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think any are in particularly "bad shape", and I don't think it inspires much confidence in other editors or their work when you phrase it thus. They could use some work, but that's what maintenance templates are for. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Windows Central

Hi! Since you did Video Games Chronicle I was wondering can you do a page for Windows Central? Although I'm not sure about the sources for this one. (if there are any) . I'm not really an expert on website articles.Timur9008 (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the confidence, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert on website articles either. I wrote VGC because I often read the website (and it was on my mind after speaking with its EiC); unfortunately, I have no such familiarity with Windows Central, nor the time or interest to write its article at the moment. Hopefully somebody else will have the capacity to write it at some stage; at a quick glance, I wouldn't be surprised if there are enough sources to warrant it. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Was just wondering :) I do think its early to make the page. Timur9008 (talk) 12:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Video Games Chronicle

On 31 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Video Games Chronicle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a story about Call of Duty: Warzone led to Video Games Chronicle's Twitter account being temporarily locked? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Video Games Chronicle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Video Games Chronicle), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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TLoU accolades DYK

Hey, I'm planning to nominate the accolades list for DYK after I do a QPQ. Do you have any suggestions for hooks? The only real interesting one I can think of would be in regards to the series being the first live action video game adaptation to receive major awards consideration. Beyond that I'm not sure if there are other options, so I figured I'd check to see if you had any ideas or if I should just go along with the one hook. -- ZooBlazer 03:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer: Funnily enough, I was just thinking of leaving you a message about the same thing. I figured that would be the most interesting hook too—though I've just moved across the information about Ramsey, Woodard, and Pascal's Emmy nominations, so any of those will have potential as well. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that info is the stuff I forgot to bring over lol. I think the Bella, Pedro, and Woodard info all has hook possibilities. Thanks for adding that stuff to the article. -- ZooBlazer 04:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you have suggestions of how to word some of the actor hooks so they work well with the accolades article? Only because they're all related to the Emmys and not awards in general, so finding where to link the article is a challenge. -- ZooBlazer 04:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer: I think it's fine to link in a more obscure place and let the reviewer/promoter make the call. Here are some possible options:

• ... that Bella Ramsey considered withdrawing from awards consideration for The Last of Us due to the lack of non-gendered categories?
• ... that Bella Ramsey's Emmy nomination was the first for a non-binary actor in a leading role at the time of nomination?
• ... that Keivonn Montreal Woodard is the second-youngest actor and first black deaf actor to be nominated at the Emmys?
• ... that Pedro Pascal is the second Latino to be nominated for Lead Actor in a Drama Series since 1999?

– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:56, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the help. I think my current plans for the article are to nominate it for FLC later in the year once all of the nominations are decided, then submit it for Today's Featured Article as close to the season 2 premiere date as possible. -- ZooBlazer 05:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea! I plan to revisit the franchise articles soon so I should have the capacity to contribute wherever necessary. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

With the popularity of the series, I'm surprised your episode GANs are taking so long to get reviewers. Hopefully at this rate, you can get them all to GA before season 2! -- ZooBlazer 05:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Olivia (name)

Multiple name articles have multiple images. it is inappropriate to remove them. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Examples would be appreciated. Their inclusion seems problematic, though, considering they tend to give undue notability to modern celebrities (especially those in the arts). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 12:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the talk page. I am basing inclusion on the well-known people with the name who are mentioned as likely to have influenced usage, As for other name articles, there are multiple articles wirh multiple images. I’ve spent the last couple of years trying to improve sourcing, list relevant people and incorporate images at these articles. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

"there are multiple articles wirh multiple images" isn't quite an example but I appreciate the response anyway. I am not doubting the work you've done and will continue to do, and have no intentions of making further edits there. All the best. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Hunter

WP:SYNTH aside, the a parent dissolving after a subsidiary is still relevant and that the future of its content library is unclear is explicitly stated. Full revert was probably not warranted. ReidLark1n (talk) 14:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's really relevant considering AH has been gone for months. A mention in the "Final years" section might be appropriate, though I still don't think speculation about the content library is necessary (even if it is sourced). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 15:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Kin (The Last of Us)

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Have you considered doing more reviews? We have a backlog drive going on right now, and I have a lot of television articles (stations, not episodes) that could use some attention. You clearly know what goes into a good GA. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I've been reviewing GANs weekly(ish) for the last six weeks or so. I don't plan on contributing to the backlog drive specifically but will continue regular reviews when I can. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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The sweet baby talk page

So until a notable person in the games industry or journalist brings up a minority critiques on a issue they are not obligated to cover, The point i just made can't be covered/implemented? Idontz (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Idontz: Thanks for reaching out. That's correct; social media posts are usually excluded unless reliable sources consider them notable and discuss them. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

But would the possible existence of such a contradiction still result in the deletion of the line "; she noted gamers thought the studio had simply added pride flags to Marvel's Spider-Man 2 when it had actually provided narrative work for about three years, including several levels and character arcs." until resolved. Idontz (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

There's no contradiction; that line is referring to Belair's interpretation of events, and presents it as such. (If anything, the criticism almost proves her point—SBI's work involved a lot more than just flags.) – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Sweet Baby Inc.

Think it might be time to make a FAQ for the taæk page to adress repeated complaints Trade (talk) 10:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Good idea (though I have my doubts as to its effectiveness). I've made one over yonder, based largely on the Gamergate one. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to call me out if i'm being overzealous with {{RBLPV}}--Trade (talk) 11:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

sweet baby inc

i like how the sweet baby inc article makes absolutely no mention of the CEO's nuclear tweet that kicked off the whole thing, and forces users to leave the platform to gather the actual context for what is going on. nicely done. 45.46.59.73 (talk) 01:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

nicely done—thanks! Happy to help. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Help for Sweet baby Inc.

Hello Rhain, as you have questioned about a newspaper, who includes the targeted harassment and followed temp. ban of his account of one of Sweet baby Inc member, who started Gamergate 2 apparently with this harassment, here some news-articles, who are RS.

https://www.theshortcut.com/p/sweet-baby-inc-detected-what-actually-happened Kindred accused the group of harassment, tagged the creator and Steam, and said, “Even with the discriminatory language filed off, the group itself still fails the code of conduct.” Kindred then asked their followers to “report the f*** out of this group” and to report the creator “since he loves his account so much”. Kindred was subsequently banned for six days for breaching X’s policies on targeted harassment. (with screenshots from user)

https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/03/02/sweet-baby-inc-staff-throw-tantrum-after-steam-curator-list-created-to-track-warn-players-against-their-work/ He further called on his followers to “report the creator since he loves his account so much”.

I hope these articles will make it possible for you to simply follow NPOV and include part of this controversy, that is so openly known, that wikipedia is now less informative about this situation than https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2767543-sweet-baby-inc-detected-controversy ;) --2003:DF:A715:5000:E8BC:CC02:28EF:D59D (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, those articles are not RS. The Shortcut would require discussion (but I have my doubts) and Bounding Into Comics is unreliable per WP:VG/RS (article title alone makes that clear). Thanks. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 20:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Would it be possible for you to create than a new topic on the Noticeboard for Reliable_sources. I'm not a veteran on Wikipedia, like you and a bit help would be nice to make Wikipedia more informative.

I want to highlight, that my intention is simply to add to the article just this relevant addition of targeted harassment by Sweet Baby Inc. as the source of the controversy, not any form of opinion by the article. The sole purpose of the source "The Shortcut" would be simply as a secondary source (WP:PSTS) to explain the facts in the first place.

It is in this function a material cited to produce a more neutral perspective on the whole controversy, because other reliable articles try to state opinions of the authors about the ideology of members of this group as facts about the origin of this whole controversy. To solve this Problem:(WP:ACHIEVE NPOV) Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other sources to produce a more neutral perspective.

To allow a neutral perspective, it is necessary to highlight the whole context of the source of the controversy. The controversy happen over the things Sweet baby employees have done prior to it.

Without this information the whole topic is based on bias. The text of Wikipedia articles should assert facts, but not assert opinions as fact. It is a fact, what a certain individual wrote on twitter and how twitter reacted to this comment. It is not a fact, what an author want to see as the source for the support of a group afterward. This can be mentioned in a neutral manner afterward. But it was not the actual source of the controversy.

--2003:DF:A715:5000:E8BC:CC02:28EF:D59D (talk) 03:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

If you feel strongly about The Shortcut, I would recommend starting a discussion at WP:RSN yourself. Your comments here prove that you clearly understand the context in which you want it to be used, which is exactly what the noticeboard wants; just keep it brief and objective. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I think, that i found a solution. The source for the statement: The curator group received increased attention in February when a Sweet Baby employee asked others to report it for failing Steam's code of conduct. is based on the source https://dotesports.com/general/news/sweet-baby-inc-detected-drama-explained

BUT the actual Source said: "They asked their followers to report it and its creator due to it failing Steam’s code of conduct,"

So there is already correctly even quoted by a RS the targeted "reporting" against the creator of this group not mentioned in the article. (it should be highlighted, that the tweet actual advocates the banning of his account, as this is the results of targeted reporting of an user on Steam.)

So shouldnt it be added to this sentenced at least the full statement of the quoted RS:

The curator group received increased attention in February when a Sweet Baby employee asked others to report it and its creator for failing Steam's code of conduct. 2003:DF:A715:5000:21F2:F985:6D74:3A9E (talk) 05:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

https://ibb.co/hXWkjws https://ibb.co/0Bq66ww https://ibb.co/rcStJSL https://ibb.co/f1wQQLw https://ibb.co/WDgBy6x https://ibb.co/jJQptFV https://ibb.co/ctt4H4w https://ibb.co/stQ4cSD https://ibb.co/5Y2QP2C — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisteOsoTruth (talk • contribs) 10:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@MisteOsoTruth: Care to elaborate? – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Requesting free images from others

Hi there, over the years you have successfully been able to acquire permission from various people / media organisations to release photos under CC licenses. I have tried many through email and have yet to be successful once. Do you have any advice on approaching people / media organistions to release images under CC licenses?  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 18:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: I wish I had some specific advice but truthfully I'd largely attribute it to luck, or perhaps persistence; I'd wager that I've been ignored/rejected more than successful. Overall, I think I've had better luck when reaching out via social media, and to individuals rather than organisations—amateur photographs are usually more willing to help, and more excited to see their work on Wikipedia. I usually keep my opening message short and sweet, briefly explaining who I am and asking if they would provide permission, and save any explanation of CC, VRT, etc., for follow-up messages to avoid scaring them away immediately.

Please let me know if there's specific information you were after, or if I can possibly help with a particular image search. It's good to hear from you. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice it is much appreciated. I'll try reaching out more on social media like Twitter / X. Yeah, one of images I tried and eventually given up on is David Smith of Media Molecule (so I could have all 4 founders in the page) and he has no X / Twitter. Do you have typical intial message template you use that is not too lengthy?  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 19:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: It's definitely a pain when there are limited photographs of the subject online, which appears to be the case with Smith. Here's a modified example of a message I've sent in the past:

Hi [name],

I hope you're well. I contribute to the Wikimedia Foundation and I've been on the search for a good image of [subject]. I recently found your fantastic picture/s ([link]) and would really like to use [it/them] on some Wikipedia articles! With credit to you, of course.

Would you be willing to provide permission for use on Wikipedia?

Thank you in advance,
Rhain

This is just a basic version, and I'll often customise/expand based on context, but hopefully it can help you develop your own version. Please let me know if you need anything else! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Cheers again for the help. I'll try to give that template a go.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 00:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

PS: After firing off a couple of DMs on Twitter / X I just realised that you to be verified to be able to message most users (particularly public figures) which includes payment, 😭. Oh well.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 00:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Oof, I forgot about that—another benefit of contacting amateur photographers, I suppose. Here's hoping for some success regardless! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 01:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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the page on niko

why would you even choose to mention an obviousuly wrong claim from a stupid article? what even is the point in that? that can be misleading. i know i am dragging this out, but i just don't get why. ThePhoenixKing53 (talk) 09:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

@ThePhoenixKing53: "It was believed by some that he was Russian" is not incorrect, and is relevant to the preceding sentence about Niko's nationality being unspecified. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

ok, that makes sense, sorry for being annoying. have a nice day. ThePhoenixKing53 (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed)

(Personal attack removed) GylonVisagie (talk) 14:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Glad to see you've returned from your brief editing break, and touched that you decided to stop by so soon. Hope you've been well. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 14:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sweet Baby Inc

Link is dead for me. What was so bad about it? Trade (talk) 01:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It was a cropped image of the tattoo—which might be appropriate if that's what the article was about, but it was clearly intended to suggest something about the quality of the journalist's work, which is nonsensical and inappropriate. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

She also revealed earlier today that it's half of a quote from the first chapter of Orwell's Animal Farm, with her other leg having the remainder of the text "all animals are comrades". It's interesting when looking at the sexism behind this how certain groups have latched onto it along with a couple of her other tweets as a way to try and discredit her article, and shame her personally. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I saw that too. It's certainly wild to see how obsessive some people get with these conspiracies harassment campaigns things—any developer, journalist, or company who even goes near gets their entire life and career scrutinised, and always in bad faith. Even individual Wikipedia editors get their contributions and identities broadcast and criticised, as if they have anything to do with the events at all.

And all because video games dared to feature minorities. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

All removing the URL did was to make the user find new hunting ground at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability so i guess that didn't helped

Rhain: Eh, users being hounded for bringing up or removing BLP violations isn't really limited to one side of the political spectrum. BLP Noticeboard have plenty of examples of both.--Trade (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I suspect that has more to do with the fact that they can't edit the talk page than anything I did, and they probably would have found a different venue to complain regardless. BLP violations should be removed no matter where—or how many times—they're posted.

I made no specific mention of either side of the political spectrum, nor was I referring to BLP violation removals in that comment. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for List of accolades received by The Last of Us (TV series)

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Red Harlow

Hi Rhain, I've noticed from your user page that you are interested in the Red Dead series. I've recently discovered a draft article about Red Harlow, the protagonist of Red Dead Revolver, and I was wondering whether you would consider contributing to it. Kind regards, Lotsw73 (talk) 12:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lotsw73: Thanks for reaching out. Unfortunately, I don't think the character is independently notable from the game; none of the (reliable) sources are specifically about Red, for example. The draft has good information, but it would be best placed at Red Dead Revolver than on a separate article. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Aha, I understand. Thanks for the quick response. Lotsw73 (talk) 11:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Fraser Island (K'gari) Name Change.

Unless you are also willing to delete comments made by the users Turnagra and Fourixxxx regarding the exact same content then my comments too will remain. I have reverted your deletage of my comments. Please do not remove my comments again. Ash Kuss (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Turnagra's comments have been entirely on-topic and appropriate, and while some of Fourixxxx's were off-topic, ultimately they led to on-topic discussion so it felt inappropriate to collapse them. Your final comment in that thread is entirely irrelevant and uncivil. Discuss the article's title as much as you see fit, but keep your opinions on politicians and colonialism elsewhere. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Nope, they weren't. Fourixxxx's in particular are incredibly politicised and subjective. So remove their comments if you like, and I will happily remove mine as well. Otherwise, your deletage can potentially lead to edit warring and sanctions. Your choice. Ash Kuss (talk) 08:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I see you have made minor edits to mine and Fourixxxx's comments but have kept the main ideas the same. This is okay. Thank you. Ash Kuss (talk) 09:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Top

Hey, how do you edit the top "section", like this? RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@RodRabelo7: Hey! This should be an option in your user preferences. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rhain, I made an edit to somewhere you seem like you would be interested in.

On Hayao Miyazaki's page, I added the Del Toro 2024 cite, and I edited the talk page to convey that I simply could not get the citation for Time to work, but who knows how that will go. I saw you were invested in the page, and figured I'd let someone know directly that I did something non-functional. Thank you for being an awesome editor!

Have a good one! ReddlSKye (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Thanks for the ping, and for adding the information! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Congratulations on your GA. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

RDR2 sales

hello, why did you change the sales t0 63 million, when the sales is 64 million. The sales is obviously over 64 million and was rounded off to 64 million, yet you made it 63 million, why? I'm changing it back. GylonVisagie (talk) 13:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@GylonVisagie: Per the sources, Take-Two said the figure was "almost 64 million" (emphasis mine). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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There is one major concern, rather a prevalent gripe with the article pertaining to WP:OVERREF that should be addressed before I pass it. This is a great and informational article! BarntToust (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Understood for why cite. However,

I will have to do something about that cite brick. That at the very least must be taken care of. Thank you very much for contributing to that article! BarntToust (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to assume good faith on that, and explain why that is done that way. A very good job to you! I'd say you've earned yourself a barnstar for this. Good job and again, thank you for your evident and extensive work on this subject. BarntToust (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

This barnstar

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		Your contributions to The Last of Us season 1 and each individual episode are extensive. 6 episodic noms, the season page, and the inclination to keep up with the content of several hours of companion podcasts are proof you've gone beyond the norm. You've more than earned this. BarntToust (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Doctor Who

Hi, that Guiness world records that put back in non-rs. You will need to remove it. scope_creep^Talk 07:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

"non-rs" ≠ unusable or deprecated. It seems reasonable given the context, as I've already explained. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: Images

I'm trying to test something also with the recent image uploads...there seems to be an odd error (possibly) where the bot shrinks an image more heavily if it's horizontal long compared to vertically tall. Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kung Fu Man: I'm not sure I see which "error" you're referring to. AFAIK, the bot simply resizes to less than 0.1 megapixels while maintaining the same aspect ratio; it shrinks all images equally. The two most recent versions of File:Ivy Valentine.png have very similar pixel counts—the one that you note is "bigger" only has 205 additional pixels over the other one; both have been shrunk equally. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

It was more me trying to figure out if the horizontal length of the image was being factored against an image more with how it seemed to shrink some, but after testing it's pretty clearly just a perspective issue on my part. It's a particular peeve I keep running into with some concept art images where it'll make things more tiny than desired, or result in blurred infobox art on other images. I'm trying to figure out ways to diminish it at least until we (someday) get better fair use limits.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

It's definitely a pain. The only solution I'm aware of is to ensure images are cropped as tight as they possibly can be, as I did with Callie and Marie (and you've already done with Ivy). Thankfully, most images tend to look fine at the default thumbnail size (220px), which is what most readers will see anyway. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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An Unearthly Child

Hello! I just wondered why you reverted my edit on An Unearthly Child saying there was "nothing to fix"? The current edit makes it sound as if it was delayed from the 9th to the 16th because of athletics coverage on the 9th, which is not the case. The overrunning athletics coverage happened in the summer, which pushed Deputy Dawg back a week and thus Doctor Who from the 9th to the 16th (the reason for the subsequent further delay to the 23rd is less clear). I'm very happy to add in a specific reference for this if this would satisfy you? Many thanks! Angmering (talk) 08:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Angmering: Thanks for your message. The reference cited for that portion states that the airdate was pushed due to athletics coverage on 9 November. I'd definitely appreciate if you could share a reference stating otherwise (though, in future, please do so when making the change). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, I found a more explicit reference and made the change; seems the existing ref was incorrect (or unclear). Thanks again. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh good! Thank you! Angmering (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for The Last of Us season 1

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on Charlie McDonnell

I didn't mean to change anything other than the pronoun date - seems like I accidentally clicked "edit" on an old revision. :) – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 03:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No worries—I figured this was the case! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

About Left Behind...

I think it's misleading to introduce an expansion as if it's a standalone game, because it's not. It's integrated into The Last of Us and was never released or marketed as a standalone product. Pretty much all articles that concern video game expansions introduce them as expansions, not as games; some examples are The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt – Hearts of Stone, Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony, Dark Souls III: The Ringed City, Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty, Gears 5: Hivebusters, Shovel Knight: Specter of Torment and BioShock 2: Minerva's Den. Zohariko1234 (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the current lead sentence is the most appropriate, specifying its year, genre, and developer/publisher; how it was released is important enough for the lead, but not the opening sentence. And, to clarify, it was once released and marketed as a standalone product. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The lead sentence I proposed includes release year and dev/publisher as well, and it can include the genre too if you think that's necessary (though I don't see why it is since it's not different from the core game). The change I'm proposing isn't about how it was released, it's about what it is. An expansion is not a game, it's a component of a game.

Also, Left Behind was never marketed as a standalone product. Here is the original announcement from November 2013. It is explicitly being referred to as DLC, not as a new game.

In the end, I just don't see why should this expansion have a differently worded lead sentence than any other game expansion article on Wikipedia. Zohariko1234 (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Simply put, I think lead sentences should be simple, phrased generally and without jargon; is a 2014 action-adventure game achieves this, while is a 2014 downloadable expansion pack to the 2013 video game The Last of Us does not. Better to open simply and expand later, in my opinion. (And yes, it was released and marketed as a standalone product—though admittedly it was sometime after its original release.) – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you that simplicity and understandability are important, but they shouldn't come in place of delivering the intended meaning. It's easier to understand the term "game", but it shouldn't be used here because it doesn't accurately describe the subject of the article.

Also, it doesn't matter that Left Behind was later re-released as a standalone product, because video game articles typically start by covering the product's original release while subsequent re-releases or changes are mentioned later in the article.

Again, just don't see why should this article have a different lead sentence than all the other articles that I listed above. There's extensive precedent here.

Would you be open to this lead sentence? "The Last of Us: Left Behind is a 2014 expansion pack to the video game The Last of Us (2013) developed by Naughty Dog and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment." It's a bit simpler but still retains the meaning that it needs to deliver. I think the term "expansion" can't be considered jargon since its meaning would immediately be understood by non-gamers. Zohariko1234 (talk) 11:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I still find that version needlessly detailed and verbose. The current version is brief, accurate, and matches the MoS, so I see no reason to change it. Left Behind is an action-adventure game; that it is also an expansion pack is notable enough for the lead, but not necessarily the first sentence. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 12:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I've explained why I think it should be changed but you're not addressing my arguments at all. The extensive precedent of game expansions being described as expansions on Wikipedia alone is enough of a reason to edit this. There's no reason for this article to be different than articles such as BioShock 2: Minerva's Den or Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony. Also, the MoS concerns articles about games; it doesn't specify anywhere whether expansions should be called games or expansions in their articles, so precedent should be prioritized here. Left Behind is not a game that is also an expansion, it's an expansion that was subsequentially released as a game. I apologize and hope you can understand my rationale here. Zohariko1234 (talk) 21:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I've directly addressed your arguments multiple times. Other articles being written one way does not dictate the phrasing of this one. Left Behind is a game that is also an expansion, and it has always been that way. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry that we're unable to reach an agreement on this. I've left a message about this on the talk page and hopefully other editors will voice their minds. Zohariko1234 (talk) 23:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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