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Speedy deletion nomination of Lancelot Oliphant

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Proposed deletion of Thomas Oliphant (musician and artist)

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References on this article are gibberish. I count only 1 real reference; the rest are not entered properly. Should this be fixed, article could be retained, but i also see it is not a noteworthy person

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I've opposed the deletion, because references have now been added. All the same, the references can be improved. Sionk (talk) 12:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Don't worry...

About all those speedy-deletion nominations - they have all been declined by me or by another administrator, and I have explained to the over-enthusiastic New Page Patroller why they were not appropriate. Apologies and regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear JohnCD, Please can you also look at Thomas Oliphant (musician and artist). He wrote "Deck the Halls with Boughs of Holly" (that alone makes him highly noteable), he has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography. He wrote the chorale for the king's wedding. He translated portions of Wagner's opera "Lohengrin", which were then conducted by Wagner. What am I supposed to do to save this entry? If the article needs improving, then I need someone else to help me.Rod Oliphant (talk) 10:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I've opposed the new deletion request on the Thomas Oliphant article. Hopefully the proposer will see sense and not take it any further. However, I agree with them that the article requires a bit of cleaning up. In particular, sources should give sufficient information to allow other people to verify the facts. Several of the sources need to be expanded, so other readers can know where to look. For example " National Library of Scotland" does not explain what source you referred to. Published books should generally cite the author, title, publisher, date of publication/edition and ISBN number (if one exists). See WP:CITE. Hope that helps you! Sionk (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

(Written before I read Sionk's note above.) That was a WP:Proposed deletion or "PROD", and the template message at the top explained that, because that method is intended for uncontroversial deletions, anyone (including you) could prevent it by simply removing the template. Deletion would only take place if after seven days no-one had objected. In fact I see that someone else has already dePRODded the article. Once dePRODded, an article cannot be PRODded again; it may still be nominated by a more deliberate process at WP:Articles for deletion, which involves a seven-day debate. I'm afraid Wikipedia's procedures can seem rather Byzantine at first, but there are usually human guides available: Wikipedia:A Primer for newcomers is intended as a one-stop guide. JohnCD (talk) 12:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sionk and JohnCD, I will work on Thomas. The problem sometimes is that when one copies the url. it does not always take you back to that specific page - you have to go to the site first. I can certainly put in book details. I did get a lot of help with Thomas before the page was put up.Rod Oliphant (talk) 14:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear JohnCD, Please could you look at John Shepherd (governor and chairman) and see whether any of the tags can now be removed. Many thanks.Rod Oliphant (talk) 01:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I have also added more to John Smith Burges and I wonder whether the tag there could be reviewed as well please?Rod Oliphant (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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I have fixed the first of these: this edit shows you what was involved, making the link go direct to the correct target, rather than to a disambiguation page. The message above was from a "bot", one of a number of helpful automatic systems that do useful maintenance tasks. JohnCD (talk) 12:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

JohnCD I need your help in a rather more complicated manner. I created the page for Laurence Sulivan spelling his name with two "l"s viz. Sullivan. That was the way that it was recorded in one source of records for the East India Company. I am now convinced that it is wrong and should be Sulivan with one "l". There will be a few links to other pages which will have to be corrected as well. I do not know when the right time would be to make the change - I seem to be in the eye of a lot of storms. I did actually discriminate between those chairmen of the EIC who had no other factors to indicate notability - that I could find.

The point is that they were all eminent men - or they would not have been on the court of Directors in the first place. The point is that many of the other chairmen are probably notable for other reasons besides being chairmen of the EIC - I just have not found that yet. There is an argument that a company which governed more people than any country in the woirld (with the exception of China) is notability enough. These chairmen were more powerful than practically any world leaders of their time. As another page on Wiki says, one fifth of the world's population lived in areas where trade was controlled by the EIC - only slightly less were actually governed by them.89.168.126.84 (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry too much about all the "maintenance templates" on the articles. New articles are created at a rate of rather more than one a minute, many of them are nonsense, libellous, hoaxes, or about completely un-notable people or things, so there is an (unofficial, volunteer like everything here) New Page Patrol who look at new articles to see whether they need zapping or improvement. It is a vital but thankless task, some of them are inexperienced, and also so much rubbish comes in that it is all too easy to get into a frame of mind where instead of "Is there a possible article here?" one thinks "How can I get rid of this?" The NPP-ers cannot themselves delete anything, tagged articles get added to a list which is patrolled by a second line, administrators like myself, and a good part of our time is spent educating NPP-ers and explaining why their tags are inappropriate. That's all background to the fact that you unfortunately encountered a particularly over-keen NPP-er this morning. You can see reading down from here on his talk page how he has been given feedback.

The boxes at the top of articles are "maintenance templates" indicating areas for improvement; they add articles to various lists which may bring others in to help. I have removed most of them from Laurence Sullivan - I agree that chairmen of the EIC are notable, he's not living so BLP didn't apply etc. I will look at the others when I have time. They are not an immediate threat.

Regarding Sullivan/Sulivan, I can change it easily and leave a "redirect" from the other spelling, but you say the EIC records have two Ls - do you have sources for one L? Wikipedia:Verifiability is a fundamental policy: "all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source."

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Hi JohnCD, Yes, the constituencies spell his name with one "l" and I have found an alternative source compiled by a more reliable source who used to work at the India Office who took the list back to 1714 and had the spelling with one "l". I trust him more as he was the head of his department within the India Office. The book is "Record of Services of the Honourable East India Company's Civil Servants in the Madras Presidency". I will get more details for you asapRod Oliphant (talk) 15:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I have altered Sullivan to Laurence Sulivan. If he is sometimes referred to with two, might it be worth adding "or Sullivan" in the article? If you need to change the title of an article, you can do it yourself with the "Move" tab at the top of the screen. That will leave behind a WP:REDIRECT so that someone clicking on the old title will be taken to the new one. In many cases that is useful, as with Laurence Sullivan; if not, you can tag the redirect for deletion by putting {{db-redirtypo}} or {{db-r3}} (with two curly brackets each side) at the top. JohnCD (talk) 16:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks JohnCD. What swayed me to the one "L" was that the other book was written by Charles C. Prinsep who styled himself as "....Late Superintendent of Records, India Office". I took the view that there could be no higher authority! The other book only went back to 1773 and his book goes back to 1714, so I was also able to greatly extend the list of Chairmen and Deputy Chairmen. I have not been through yet to see who amongst the earlier Chairmen were notable, nor have I linked them to pages for the same (if such pages apply). I will do so tonight. I have to say, although I believed that all the pages which I created were justifiably notable, I shall be slower to produce stubs in the future. Today made me realise just how (extra) careful one has to be. Many thanks for your help.Rod Oliphant (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks Brianann. Are you descended from David Olifard? Rod Oliphant (talk) 16:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nope, no relation that I know of. I just had the clan article on my watchlist, and noticed you wikilinking to David's article. The twelfth-century phenomenon of the Scottish crown settling 'Normans' into Scotland fascinates me. It would have been an exciting era I think. Anyway, this link might be of interest to you, it shows some of the primary sources that David is recorded in [1]. I love being able to actually hunt down primary sources and read them; sometimes they seem to bring out the flavour of the era.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:15, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It is interesting to get a glimpse of what people went through but people's lives must have been unbelievably turbulent and hard, compared with our times - no different from world wars but unenviable nonetheless. May I ask about the clan article. Is there an area of concern? Is there something which I can go in and fix? I have not really had much to do with it but I could do so if you wanted? Rod Oliphant (talk) 01:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for your note; sorry for the delay in replying! As for William Fitz Osbern, I'm afraid I know very little about him, only what I've read in David Crouch's book (he gets a mensh on about 9 pages) and what can be extrapolated from that. It's probably significant that William's son didn't get the Earldom after he died; the Earldom of Wessex was a big fiefdom, and William (the Conqueror) was keen to break up any power blocs that would threaten his position (as he and his duchy was to the king of France, in fact). Did you have anything in particular in mind? Swanny18 (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Swanny18, I tracked down David Crouch and he was of some help. That William FitzOsbern was Earl of Wessex is practically unrecorded oin Wikipedia, so I have been doing the rounds inserting it. My interest is familial because there seems to be quite a lot of evidence that William's father sometimes went by the surname Olifard.

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