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Deletion of article on Dr R.H. Sankhala is very disappointing

You and all people, (in your words - Administrators) deleted the article on my grand-pa. He was my grand pa but he was notable. You can find out his research. And, if you have a sound knowledge of policies and ethics what can i suggest then. But, one thing I realized just now seeing his article deleted. You people are unite to delete the articles whether notable or not. But, you are not authorized to delete any article solely on the basis that the person's grandson created the article. And, see the references. can't you see an article referred by Pubmed. And, i could not do any edit so you blocked my id. No problem I have taken the decision to never do any edits to WIKIPEDIA FOUNDATION'S websites. thanks for this behaviour. If a person after doing hard efforts die as a biochemist, and you insult him by saying non-notable. remember my words, I will show you all how notable was him. 27.107.186.238 (talk) 09:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC) (i had to disclose my IP address now, but no problem)

Why not ask for the article to be "usefied" on your user page. Then everyone could see what you are talking about. If there are solid references the article should exist. I agree, being related to someone is not a valid reason to delete the article. If you aren't working for them, and aren't them, then its fine. Dream Focus 10:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

It's the usual situation; possibly notable, but no sources to back up the claims. Might be a good candidate for userfication (or possibly incubation). Black Kite (t) (c) 18:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done Wikipedia:Article Incubator/R. H. Sankhala. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Note: The article was not deleted because the author was the subject's grandson. The relationship was noted, by way of demonstrating its status as a memorial but the deletion was made on the basis that the subject did not fulfil the criteria laid out in WP:N and WP:ACADEMIC.

In terms of WP:COI, this editor has repeatedly uploaded articles on himself and his business ideas, from different user accounts, sometimes having discussions with himself [1] in an effort to demonstrate his own notability. He's been indefintiely blocked for this behaviour, is this to be reversed so he can work on his grandfather's article? Catfish Jim & the soapdish 07:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Phil Davison

Due to the persistent coverage of Phil Davison, particularly regarding his presidential aspirations, an individual recreated the article (in a poor fashion). Could you please reverse your decision and restore the article to its previous revision? Thank you.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Eh, unless Ron is prone to drastic measures, he can't restore it unilaterally. He might be willing to userify it. In the middle of this difficulty perhaps lies opportunity.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 20:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Odd AFD close

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Glosserman

This was closed by a WP:SPA user IP, with no other edits to their contribs save for closing this. I undid the IP close of the AFD. Perhaps you could look at it and close it, instead? -- Cirt (talk) 07:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, was closed by another admin after that. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 08:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You might find this discussion interesting. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wake Up With Probe Plus

Wake Up With Probe Plus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello Ron Ritzman. You relisted this but the article creator agreed it isn't notable and is happy for it to be deleted. Can you delete it under db-author? Christopher Connor (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Could you please semi-protect my user page? I'm a Huggle user/rollbacker and don't want vandalisms there anymore. I'm asking here because it's not a urgent request. Thanks in advance, Ruy Pugliesi^◥ 01:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

12 newly elected Ohio state legislators

Thank you for closing these AfDs. Would you support adding a sentence to WP:POLITICIAN to the effect that a person newly elected or appointed to a position considered notable, is also considered notable before being sworn in? Obviously, other policies would continue to apply to any given article. Your thoughts? Cullen328 (talk) 02:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Laagi Tujhse Lagan redirect

Hello, Ron Ritzman … on 2010-06-21 you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laagi Tujhse Lagan as redirect to Colors (TV channel) … shortly thereafter, several WP:SPA anons restored the article and extensively expanded it … I would rather that an admin redirected it again, or should it go back for another WP:AFD? Happy Editing! — 70.21.16.94 (talk · contribs) _{15:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)}

The actual close was "no consensus". The redirect was an editorial decision on my part so there was nothing wrong with what those other editors did. If it's still felt that the subject is not notable then another AFD would be the right course of action. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Copy that … maybe I'll do just that … gonna cop some Zs first. :-) — 70.21.16.94 (talk) 16:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, We did it more than there

I was closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miramax Award-Winning Collection and the related series as a delete while you were relisting them... which I must admit, I have no real idea why you thought that was necessary. Courcelles 00:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. It was borderline but I usually give "per nom" deletes very little weight. Perhaps I should consider who's saying "per nom" as Metropolitan90 usually makes sound !votes and might not have wished to parrot what was already said. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

John Carlin -- co-founder Red Hot + Funny Garbage

Ron -- we've (some people who work at Red Hot) added a great deal more info to Mr. Carlin's bio along with a number of other sources / references. I hope you'll consider taking John off the deletion list soon. Thanks L LorrSG (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The AFD for this article is still open. If you have additional sources then you need to make your case in that discussion. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Contact

Mr. Ritzman, how does one go about contacting you offline (privately), that an important issue might be discussed? Please feel free to email me at jc@critzos.com. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.38.223 (talk) 12:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuri Rutman

Why was the Yuri Rutman page reposted? The consensus was that it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truebobjohnson (talk • contribs) 01:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I reclosed it as "no consensus" with permission from the original closer because the original nomination was based on the false premise that he was somebody else. I blanked the AFD for the same reason. It's obvious that he's a different "Yuri Rutman" then the one you thought he was. You are welcome to renominate the article for deletion if you believe that "Yuri Rutman the entrepreneur, filmmaker, screenwriter, actor, film producer" is not notable but if you try to introduce the same unreliable sources in the second AFD as you did in the first, you will be in violation of our policy on biographies of living persons. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you attempting to suggest that Yuri Rutman the spammer is NOT the same Yuri Rutman who has scammed you into believing he is anybody relevant? If you allow this guy into the database, you are seriously compromising the integrity of wikipedia.

I'm through arguing over this. Inclusion of an entry of someone irrelevant, obviously written by that someone, only serves to embarrass wikipedia and sustain its reputation as a dubious source of information.

I'm confident you'll make the correct decision, Mr. "Ritzman"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truebobjohnson (talk • contribs) 15:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Tidy Boys Deletion..

I am wondering why the Tidy Boys wikipage has been deleted. Seems you actioned this around October. I never got to see this page myself, although I do know of these guys. They have quite a following. Can you let me know why you decided to do this please. Many thanks Shawn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bucketochicken (talk • contribs) 02:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I deleted a redirect. The actually page, The Tidy Boys, was deleted by Moonriddengirl for copyright problems so she's the admin you need to discuss this with. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Security and Development

• Security and Development · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Please restore the security and development article. This is an important and separate field of study stressing a non-dual concept, while the wording may still need work, it is relevant and I request further time and feedback to bring this article up to the par of the wiki community. The concept/paradigm/field is non-dual and perhaps that is what needs to be stressed more. Please be fair to those who are not wiki professionals and facilitate our bringing new relevant material in to the fold through guidance rather than deletion. thank you for your time -G323

Hi Ron - looking forward to your response. Best, g323 —Preceding unsigned comment added by G323 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the consensus to delete in this AFD was clear. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I do not believe that the consensus was clear. There were editors trying to keep the article at the time it was taken down. Namely, hsutton521, Longevitydude and myself (g323)

Longevity dude even went so far as to say: "Keep The accusations seem to include bad faith and make no sense, as some editors have pointed out earlier in this afd. Longevitydude (talk)"

Please let me know what my next steps should be to review the validity of this article. -g323 —Preceding unsigned comment added by G323 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sophie Faroh

Thanks for fixing this. Wasn't watching where I left my header. Euryalus (talk) 03:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Eligible for early closure?

What do you think of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Calello?

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 05:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If I had ran across this on my own, I might have punched it "keep" per WP:SNOW but I don't feel comfortable doing so for AFDs bought to my attention. See my reply to a similar request for my rationale for this position. However, I have !voted "keep" in the AFD, perhaps adding a couple more flakes to the snowball. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Noted. I actually think it's eligible for SK #2, although snowflakes abound. ^Bongo_matic 01:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm tempted to bring a current AFD discussion to your attention in order that it doesn't get closed early. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 16:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

User:UnbeatableIndia2020

Hi Ron,

Just a quick note, just in-case I was inadvertantly treading on any toes...

About a month ago, I reported a suspected case of sockpuppetry by User:Dashing boy31. A check-user search was carried out and the user and his sock accounts were blocked:

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dashing boy31/Archive

Around the same time, I nominated an article about an apparently non-notable Biochemist for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. H. Sankhala. The sock-puppet investigation concluded during the course of the AFD debate, and I added this information to the AFD rationale as evidence that the article was placed as a memorial, as the subject was the grandfather of the sock puppeter.

All well and good... the sock puppeter was blocked indefinitely, and the AFD debate was closed and the article was deleted by yourself.

However, following protests by the user in question, you restored the article to the article incubator. The user has now re-registered as User:UnbeatableIndia2020 and is continuing to edit.

This seems to me to be a clear-cut case of WP:EVADE, and my initial thought was to report this to the admin who ran the Checkuser... however, given that you placed R. H. Sankhala in the article incubator to allow the user to demonstrate notability, I'm unsure what the status of the block is. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 11:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD Blanking

Please let me know if I've done this afd blanking for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suzy Kassem correctly. The same IP that was disrupting the discussion deleted most of it, I've just put in the template. Bigger digger (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Done right. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

David Naughton (producer) - page deleted

hi, I am the David Naughton that has been deleted. I never started the page... although over time I did amend it (and I know others I worked with did so also) Although I am not broken by its deletion - I have used it in reference to myself on occasion & this may be a minor irritation. I have had an engineering career for over 15 years & a production career since 2004. Is the problem that - I am listed as a producer in parenthesis and not engineer? I wish to re-introduce myself into the world of Wiki. There are more credits in the pipeline as producer, engineer, mixer, remixer, programmer, percussionist & bassist & guitarist. Thanks in advance to the moderators DN

apologies if this is in the wrong section - the structure of this procedure is so unnecessarily complicated.

(keeps the geeks busy i guess & for that we should all be grateful ;)

Thebhoydave (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dave,

This is as good a place as any to ask! I think a lot of editors are away at the moment as it's Thanksgiving weekend over in the States, I'm still waiting for a query of mine to be answered higher up, so I'll give you my version of an answer. In order to have a page an article must address a notable subject. A lot of effort has been expended over the years to work out where the cut off point is, see WP:NOTABILITY for the outcome. The parts an individual must pass are detailed at WP:BIO. Furthermore, if WP:Reliable sources are covering a subject, then the chances are it will pass the General Notability Guideline and "qualify" for an article in wikipedia.

Articles normally aren't deleted without some thought, and the two discussions which led to the deletion of this article can be read at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Naughton (producer) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Naughton (producer) (2nd nomination). I took part in the second one, and the main problem for me was the lack of the aforementioned reliable sources. If you can address the problems raised then you're probably a good way towards establishing notability.

There's quite a lot for you to read above, but as you have admitted above that you are David Naughton you should also have a look at WP:COI. Some editors take a strict approach to the issues that a conflict of interest present, so you need to appear whiter-than-white.

Reply here once you've had a look through all of that, see if you can explain what you think might be needed to establish an article, and then we can see what more we can do. Bigger digger (talk) 11:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Thanks for chipping in, Digger, and that is good advice, but this needs Ron's own attention because Ron was the admin who closed two AfDs which deleted this user's article, and he was directed here from WP:REFUND as the first step in appealing that deletion. JohnCD (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

John, thanks I had seen the trail at User talk:Thebhoydave. I saw the article, there wasn't much to appeal, it would be a matter of userfying and improving the sourcing, which is the direction I'm pointing Thebhoydave in. Bigger digger (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've restored the article and moved it to the incubator. I have nothing against this article or the subject, it's just that both times it was up for deletion, they were "next on the list" when I was reviewing the log and the consensus to delete was clear on both. As far as sourcing, to put in a nutshel what everybody says about what kind of sourcing is needed, you need to find at least 2 news articles (3 or more would be better) where an independent journalist writing for a news organization with editorial control has covered the subject in a non trivial way. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

This article been around, unsourced, in various incarnations since 2006 and had probably been researched by several editors including myself. RS will most likely have to be found from print archives or books and this may not be easy. I have this article on my watch list and I'm just curious to know how long we intend to keep it in the incubator. Kudpung (talk) 01:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thebhoydave (talk) 05:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC) Thanks to all individuals concerned.

I have disclosed my COI & read the articles suggested.

Are site's like this no good > http://albumcredits.com/Profile/190432 > http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dave+Naughton?noanv=1 It has to be a journalized review ??? like this http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/3650-waves-are-universal/ I found debunking of the Japanese review reference on my original page distasteful, at best. Does this help > Rachel Goswell I propose to change the page name to David Naughton (Producer/Engineer)

• People independent of you, who are identifiable and have good reputations for fact checking and accuracy, need to have documented your life and works in depth, subjected that to review, and published it. See User:Uncle G/On notability#Writing about subjects close to you. You need exemplary high quality biographical sources, that are not autobiography, advertising, puffery, promotion, press releases, or the like. Remember: This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory of the music industry. Uncle G (talk) 15:00, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Recreating Just Ines

Hi, you were the admin who deleted the article on this 2010 UK film some weeks ago: [2] The producer mailed me that the world premiere is done and there are some reviews (including print magazines) out now. This is the imdb page: [3] If you agree that the film has some notability now, please recreate the article; thanks. ᴳᴿᴲᴳᴼᴿᴵᴷ☺ᶤᶯᵈᶸᶩᶢᵉ 10:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Best thing to do is to start a deletion review, present your sources and let the community make the call. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Insatanity Wikipedia Page deletion

• Insatanity · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions] (userspace draft)

I did not understand how to do the redirect, also I had tried to contact you about the page while it was on my "my talk" to see if it had met with the standards of with standing to stay a page. You never replied. Ruinsofman (talk) 04:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If it was moved back into mainspace, it's still likely that someone would delete it per CSD G4. At this point the best thing to do is to present the userspace draft and any new sources you may have to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 15:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Theo Botha - sufficiently rescued?

Thanks for relisting this article. I revived a number of dead links, deleted refs for dead links for which no obvious article text was web-available, filled out the references using inline citations, slightly expanded and reformatted the text, and spent about 7 hours of my life I can never get back on somebody I'd never heard before. Sure, it's still a crappy article, but it now has the makings of a good one, I believe. Your input on the AfD discussion would be appreciated. Yakushima (talk) 13:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yazino

I see that you were the last person to look at the Yazino article which was deleted (I understand the reasons why). I would like to resubmit the article with more information. Any advice gratefully received Theredrocket (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Steel Thistle Pipes and Drums

Hi Ron,

I just tried looking up the page on my old bagpipe band and discovered that you have deleted the page. Why is that?

Sean 11/30/3010 9:52pm(EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.64.137.166 (talk)

Because there was a consensus to do so here. In the discussion it was felt that the article didn't pass our notability requirements. The creator of the article even wanted it deleted. There was no other way the discussion could have been closed. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:57, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

1982 Demo

• Thanks for catching the error. That's the first time I've had that happen to me during my brief career as an admin. Perhaps it should be relisted a second time for further consensus, although it hasn't attracted much comment so far, nor did it appear that the problems had been addressed. Mandsford 18:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Article

• Raja Liaqat Ali · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

I made changes in my article but it is deleted Article was about " Raja Liaqat Ali" It was considered as same like deleted one but I made changes.There are so many articles which can be deleted why mine is chosen.? Secondly explain me please notability.And how can I make my article according to notability? Cj.Raja (talk) 18:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

There's really nothing you can do to "make an article notable". Either a subject is notable or it is not. The question asked at most AFDs is "is it notable and are there sources that demonstrate that notability and unfortunately there wasn't in the article in question. A good essay on the subject is User:Uncle G/On notability. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent relisting of article

• HEXACO model of personality structure · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Dear Mr. Ritzman,

I’d like to ask about the relisting of “HEXACO model of personality structure” in articles for deletion. This is an article that I had posted because I wanted to let the non-academic community know about this line of research.

I wonder whether there might actually be something close to a consensus already. One user had recommended the article for deletion on the grounds that the model hadn’t attracted attention from the scientific community. But two other users (Shawn in Montreal and Kenilworth Terrace) have stated their reasons for believing that the model has received significant attention and that the article does meet the notability criterion. There has been no challenge to their arguments. Could you please look at the comments and see whether you would agree?

Sincerely, Mike M C Ashton (talk) 22:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

At this point there is not enough comments to make a call. However, I strongly suggest you read our policy on original research. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

ACDSee

• ACDSee · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

Lol... snowing huh? And I actually just looked out the window and saw flurries. Nice close. Wolfstorm000 (talk) 03:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

It's cold here too. On the article in question, there are some problems but it became apparent from reading the AFD that the article is not going to be deleted. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

regarding your no consensus closure

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/P.Y.T._(band) - Hi, I was a bit surprised that you closed this as no consensus, I felt the policy issues were quite clear, would you expand and comment a bit more including policy comments thanks. Regarding the head count position, there were three deletes and the nominator makes four and there was two keeps and a weak keep. But I think notability was not asserted according to policy and I would appreciate your comments. Off2riorob (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• unsolicited comment -- Seems good to me. The non-!vote "comments" also leaned in favor of keeping, local coverage backed up the keep votes. Not unlike Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menage a Twang, everyone recognizes the artist isn't a major star, but no consensus to delete. However, can you take a look at Gundula Krause, I think that may be a good AfD candidate?--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 21:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Sometimes when doing a close/relist run I don't always have time to provide a detailed rationale and I'm sorry about that. Part of the reason I closed it like I did was what Milowent said and I also took into account the sources mentioned by duffbeerforme and the nominator's response. This IMHO provided enough reasonable doubt for a "no consensus" close. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't agree with your position, I don't see any depth of notability at all. Keeping such not notable articles leads to additional weak claims added in an attempt to save the article, further bloating of the article and using of the wikipedia as a vehicle for false representation of the subjects real note. Could you also as per your comment please take a little more time in your closures and if policy is behind your closure would you as possible please quote it on the closure, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 16:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Jeebus, just take it to DRV if you don't like the close Rob.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 17:56, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep or No Consensus

Hi Ron. Thanks for closing this discussion. But I think that it's a "Non consensus"and not a "Keep" because aside me, two or three other users are all the same and none of my arguments were refuted. I'm sure that this article will be deleted if some experienced users participate in the debate.Farhikht (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to ask for a deletion review, but can I list it again for deletion in future? Or only in a "no consensus" case we can do this?Farhikht (talk) 11:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

While a closer should weigh arguments and not just count snouts, the !vote count is not meaningless. It's unfortunate that some of the !voters decided to take cheap shots at you instead of just whether or not the subject meets our inclusion criteria but it was unanimous and IMHO "keep" was the right call. It's also unfortunate that there were not more editors who speak Persian evaluating the sources mentioned so I didn't think another relist would have helped. Best thing to do is wait a few months and try again. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Chelsea Tavares

• Chelsea Tavares · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

dude first is'nt she like really young this is just the start of someone that can become popular (Questchest (talk) 22:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC))

And when that happens and there is more press coverage about her then we can have an article about here. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The net and Multiple Realities

Hi there. You deleted it after this AfD. But it had been moved before the AfD closed and is still up at The Net and Multiple Realities. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I've put a {{g4}} on it, so should be taken care of if you don't get to it. ^Bongo_matic 14:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Sorry I missed that it was only a redirect I deleted. I usually catch those. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Why'd you delete YGD (Topp Dogg's) page?

• Top Dogg · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

Ya know, there's a lot of us out here that HAVEN'T forgotten about Topp Dogg. Just because years go by doesn't mean beef is dead.

66.82.162.15 (talk) 02:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Tis the season

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Kivi Sotamaa

Kivi Sotamaa · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions] Dear Ron,

It was brought to my attention by people looking for information, that there no longer is an entry on 'kivi sotamaa' in Wikipedia in English because it has been deleted on your suggestion. I was also notified that the reasons for deletion are all based on false information/claims, which I find disturbing given the fact that people rely on Wikipedia for correct information.

I hope you'll check the facts and kindly correct the claims in your post related to the deletion. If you have any questions or wish to have proof of any fact, please contact info@sotamaa.net.

Professorships

I was Assistant professor of architecture at the Ohio State University 2003-2007 http://knowlton.osu.edu/default.asp?content=29&faculty=153

I was the first visiting professor to run the cross over studio at the University of Applied Arts Institute for Architecture in Vienna 2006 http://www.springer.com/architecture+%26+design/architecture/book/978-3-211-99199-2

I am Visiting Assistant Professor, up for promotion as Adjunct Associate professor, at UCLA AUD http://www.aud.ucla.edu/

I am also currently the Director of the new Digital Design Laboratory at the Design Factory of Aalto University in Helsinki, Finland www.cargocollective.com/aaltoddl

You can also directly contact the chair of UCLA Hitoshi Abe, the director of Angewandte Wolf Prix, the current chair of the OSU John Mc Morrough, and the president of Aalto University Tuula Teeri or director of design factory Kalevi Ekman.

Work

On our website there are 30 projects of which 18 have been realised. There are another dozen realised projects not displayed on the site.

Publications

Just by googling you'll find the below list of citations/publications scholar?q=kivi%20sotamaa&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws But if you wish to see a more complete list please check our site and see copies of an abundance of publications dating back to 1995. www.sotamaa.net

General

It won't require much effort to google 'kivi sotamaa' and find most information you claim is missing and if you require any proof, please don't hesitate to ask.

I hope your motives are sincere and have to do with the development of Wikipedia as a legitimate source of information. If that is the case, I have no doubt you'll do your research and take the appropriate action.

Your sincerely,

Kivi Sotamaa

Principal, Sotamaa Design - Tallberginkatu 1C 71, Helsinki, Finland

Director, Aalto Digital Design Laboratory, Design Factory, Aalto University

Visiting Professor, UCLA AUD

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.106.77.14 (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Hornet Archive - Please Restore

Hello. We'd like to appeal the deletion of the Hornet Archive Wikipedia page. Starting in 1992, our group maintained a community site called The Hornet Archive; first hosted by the University of Florida's engineering department, then later at the Walnut Creek CDROM ftp.cdrom.com archive, and finally at its own domain, hornet.org. During its heyday, we hosted 16,248 productions from a thriving community of coders, graphicians, and musicians. This community made "demos," which were multimedia exhibitions, usually written in Assembly Language, using proprietary sound, graphics, and memory-management libraries. They were amazing feats of software design and efficiency, combined with evocative visuals and hypnotic music. Demo sceners were pioneers of early PC computing, squeezing high end visual effects out of underpowered CPUs. And the Hornet Archive was proud to serve as a central hub for the exchange of these productions.

Within the "demo scene" community The Hornet Archive was well respected. We are still remembered today as a home for "classic" PC demos. After a long and successful run, our archive closed up shop in 1998 (all though we still continue to host the archive to this day, frozen as it was in 1998).

We were grateful in the mid-2000's when the community rallied to create the Wikipedia page that would record the history of our archive, so that these details would not fade with memory. Because these details matter to a lot of people. The Hornet Archive was highly trafficked, widely appreciated, and culturally relevant.

We understand that the page was flagged some months ago, as lacking sufficient verifiable sources and citations. Unfortunately, we did not have a "watch" set up, so none of us saw the alerts, or knew to add these sources. I have a dozen magazines in a box in the closet that could attest to our existence and impact in the 90's. Please consider restoring the page, and we will add citations and sources. Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R3cgm (talk • contribs) 05:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I did not delete Hornet Archive. It was deleted by Cirt as a result of this deletion discussion. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Greetings,

Beta clamp here, I've noted your involvement in Factoryase and just wanted to say Hi. ~ Betaclamp (talk) 08:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Richard McCulloch

It really should be "no consensus" on this one. I came to it via Richard Sears McCulloh, hesitated to express an opinion, then thought "what the hell - a notable racist" and fixed up the article. My guess is nobody wants to have anything to do with a guy like this. A vote to keep somehow implies approval of his views. Personally, I don't care about the Nordish people but do feel strongly that left-handed people like me should have their own state, although right-handed people would be welcome as visitors. I am not sure how to handle the children though...

No rush to close. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Relistings

Hi Ron

I noticed a couple of AFDs you relisted from 19th Dec to 26th Dec were still in the log for the 19th. I'm not sure if you had a script malfunction but I thought I should let you know. I have removed the 3 log entries so they don't show up in the list of AFDs waiting to be closed. Cheers Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:27, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I do use a script and I usually fix those myself if the script reports that the edit failed on the original log. (mostly this is due to edit conflicts with another editor using the script at the same time on the same log) However, occasionally the script doesn't report an edit failure even though the edit failed so thanks for catching these. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries, it happens to me too. :-) Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Laagi Tujhse Lagan

As you see I strongly disagree the AFD redirect enforced upon this page. Please explain to me on WHAT BASIS this is being done. I live in country myself n which the show is broadcasting and the show is one of the most popular and gets the highest rating. If you see revision history of the page Laagi Tujhse Lagan, you will see 70.21.16.94 added the deletion tag without any basis. and then the redirect discussion was done between two people. I tried to revive articles many times only to be warned to be blocked even after I rewrote entire page. I went to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Laagi_Tujhse_Lagan and this line "Empty article without real content or indication of notability." couldn't be more false. There are proper external links and few reference and the article is in developing stage. Millions of article are similar in developing stage, so should we delete all the million articles and just keep a handful of "perfect" articles in wikipedia? please go to Google and do "Laagi Tujhse Lagan" search to see how "notable" the show is. I request you to look into the matter as soon as possible.Vin99 (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Vibes FM Hamburg

VIBES FM Hamburg · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions] Hello,

Vibes FM is not only an internet radio. You can recieve Vibes FM in Hamburg ... I just don't get your reason for this behaviour.. Is that enviness?

Patricia.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriciajba (talk • contribs) 23:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I have nothing personal against this article. I was only following up on the consensus in the AFD discussion. However, since it was listed during the holidays I have restored the article and reopened the AFD. If you have a good case for this article being kept then you need to make it in the AFD. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, l have rewritten the article since the station could be reached terrestically, but only in Hamburg... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriciajba (talk • contribs) 07:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Vibes FM was not listed during this holiday.. Please check the history. It was only modified during the holidays!

sure.. you can reach vibes FM on 96. in some parts of Hamburg...

No need deleting this article...

Whatever, even internet radios are now more accepted than terrestical radio...

Come on guys, l wouldn't even have deleted Vibes FM if it should be just internet radio.

Are internet radios also not an art of media?

today all terrestical stations are also streaming on internet...

Stop these bogus act of deleting behaviour.... (Patriciajba (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC))

As you can see above, the page creator has now been heard from. Any threading the AFD discussion had beforehand is now a gordian knot not of ranting and raving from her, I wish you luck in untangling it. WuhWuzDat 15:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Marco Celeghin

Hi there - with reference to an article I created, which a member of WP:CRIC put to deletion - there is a discussion as to whether the WP:CRIN criteria are to be altered. Off the top of my head, I believe that if the adaptations we're discussing come to pass, this chap will be notable according to guidelines, while if the adaptations don't come to pass, he will not be of sufficient notability - which I believe is why various members of WP:CRIC are yet to !vote.

In the long run, I may check to see whether this is true with other Wikiproject Cricket members - though I am nowhere near active enough on Wikipedia at present to check on the result of the discussion as and when it comes through

All the best. Bobo. 02:59, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Bad Vibrations

Having a bit of trouble at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VIBES FM Hamburg - the main supporter of the article insists on re-ordering the discussion, moving the nomination and even deleting it. The amount of ranting doesn't worry me - I've seen all that before at AfD - but the vandalism does. We haven't had an influx of socks (yet...) - maybe the comment about that had an effect. Do closing admins look at the history of a discussion? I'm concerned that a close might take place while vandalism is still in place, and it not be noticed. I'm contacting you as the re-lister and as an often seen closer. Peridon (talk) 15:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Patriciajba denies connection with the company ("I am not affiliated to Vibes FM, but a fact is a fact!!!"). Interesting maybe that Mrs P. Davis is one of the only two members of staff listed for the parent company, and one of their subsidiaries is JBA Records. Peridon (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Peridon, If you could provide me with a webpage link to the page where you got that information, I'd be MORE than happy to issue a few user warnings about user names, COI, and possibly even a nice warm fuzzy WP:UAA report! WuhWuzDat 23:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• Comment*

==Bad Vibrations==? Yes l will be greatful if the Admin will see who is using the same account here!(IP) .... --Patriciajba (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yet another unfounded sockpuppet allegation!. WuhWuzDat 23:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Schiel & Denver

Shortly after you closed out this AfD with a deletion [4], the article was recreated here--Schiel & Denver--under a slightly different name, in a space that had previously been used as a redirect. This article has a history of being recreated after being deleted in AfD. I've nominated the new article for a speedy, but I think some manner of salting should also take place. What do you think? Qworty (talk) 10:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete The Black Commentator?

Hi Ron,

I wrote to you in the beginning of November, 2010, but never found an answer, so let's start anew.

This is the message when one looks for The Black Commentator: The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 20:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

The deletion log shows some editors claiming Black Commentator has no third party support. Did you try Googling Black Commentator? You will find that Black Commentator is frequently quoted on other progressive websites. I just Googled Black Commentator and received 575,000 returns in .12 seconds. Many of these were third party sites.

Black Commentator is in it's 9th year, has published 407 weekly issues, and has many thousands of subscribers. We are a weekly internet news magazine, dedicated to the movement for economic justice, social justice and peace. We provide commentary, analysis and investigations on issues affecting African Americans and the African world.

We ask that you kindly re-establish our page on Wikipedia.

Thank you. Nancy Littlefield BlackCommentator.com Managing Editor

Nlittlefield (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)January 4, 2011, Nancy Littlefield

(talk page stalker)Ron simply deleted the article as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Black Commentator. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it wasn't personal as I have no opinion for or against this article. If you can produce sources that satisfy WP:GNG I would be glad to restore it to your userspace. However, I strongly suggest you read our conflict of interest guideline. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sascha Aurora

• Sascha Aurora · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Please Undelete the page titled Sascha Aurora as there is sufficient notability to justify the existence of the page. The subject is a published author( Salt Publishing The Grimoire of Grimalkin 2007 ) link below http://www.saltpublishing.com/writers/profile.php?recordID=211223 is a filmmaker reads poetry regularly at avant-garde festivals and has been included in several anthologies of poetry. Thank you

Kayakalpa (talk) 01:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

This needs to go through userification instead of straight into mainspace, as I said, it's a poor BLP, and really can't hang around as if it were an article in the condition it was in. Courcelles 02:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Senile Team

I can't see how you can call Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Senile Team (2nd nomination) a Keep. With the exception of Hellknowz (who's opinion was not really policy based) the rest of those arguing for keep did not supply any good reasons (an unsuported claim of numerous reviews (of what?)is IMO not a good arguement), useful, no reason to delete, it's notable. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes all of the comments were weak but I missed that they were SPAs. Considering that and also considering this I have reopened and relisted the discussion. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, the best I was looking for was a change to no consensus (for future afds) but this is good, discusion now is better than possible discussion later. duffbeerforme (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Relisting

Hi. Can you relist the December 22, 2010 CfD for Victims of political repression clean-up at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 December 22 for more opinions. The issues/topics raised involved are too important to be dismissed as "no consensus"? Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DRV

Yeah, I noticed too. The way it's going, the IP's behavior is going to have little to do with the status of the page itself, but we'll have to watch the IP. bibliomaniac15 04:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your help regarding my Caroline Garcia question KnowIG (talk) 23:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I know Cirt well enough to know he would most likely have made the same call in this case. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dive Rite

Curious as to why you relisted this, with all !votes being delete before the relist? CTJF83 chat 02:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

To expand a little on what I said in my relisting comment, one reason is that the nominator listed it for "procedural reasons" and seems to be making a "keep" argument, the other is that most of the delete !votes are WP:JNN vague waves. Only one delete !voter said he looked for sources and couldn't find anything and that came after the relist. That would be less of a problem if the nominator was making a sound argument for deletion but in this case he wasn't. (and it was intentional) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, gotcha. CTJF83 chat 02:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Dave_Stann undeletion

• Dave Stann · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Hello

I'm a little confused as to how to format things here, but as far as I can tell you were an editor in the deletion / undeletion of my page, Dave_Stann, which now i see is completely gone again. I was given a note that there were too many hoax attempts to change info on my account, so after the recent undeletion (on January 2nd, 2011) I went in myself and cleaned up a lot of the inaccuracies. Yet it seems to have disappeared sometime in the past week.

I am a professional blackjack and poker player with over 70 episodes of TV under my belt & a published author, as well as a noted authority on gaming. Not sure why my page was fine for 5+ years and now has so many issues, but I'd like to help fix whatever issues there are with it so it doesn't keep getting deleted. Can you please advise me on this, or if its in your power undelete it once again. Thanks for your help Hafada (talk) 06:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC) January 11, 2011

We have several different systems for proposing articles for deletion. The first that was tried on this article is called proposed deletion. A tag is placed on an article and if nobody objects by removing the tag then the article is deleted after 7 days but can be restored upon request. This is what first happened to this article. The second is called articles for deletion where the community discusses whether or not an article should be deleted and this article was nominated for deletion after I restored it. The discussion was here. Those must be challenged by discussion it with the deleting admin and then at deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Dolores Bernadette Grier - Am I allowed to create a new article?

• Dolores Bernadette Grier · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Hello!

I'm sorry if this is not the right place to go to ask, but I was just making an edit to the AFD nominated page of Dolores Bernadette Grier and by the time I had finished typing it out it had been deleted. After a Google News search, I found that she was the first woman, the first African American and the first lay person ever appointed to the role of vice chancellor of the New York Archdiocese of the Roman Catholic Church, after which she was appointed to the U.S. Bishops' National Advisory Council. A Google Book search shows numerous sources regarding her work both as a notable member of the church and as a pro-life activist.

I was wondering if I would be breaching any guidelines by doing a new article for her properly? (If it helps any, I have no affiliations with any church and am currently working on the bio of a pro-choicer, so I promise I'll be able to work with a NPOV) I agree the old article was not viable in the form it was in, but I believe that she is notable.

If this isn't the right place to ask, I'd very much appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Thanks! - ManicSpider (talk) 23:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done I've restored the article and reopened the AFD so you can have your say. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you, it's much appreciated :-) - ManicSpider (talk) 00:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for giving me the opportunity to make my case. I had thought I would be able to rewrite the article with sufficient sources and from NPOV which would have solved the problems with the article. However, given the sources I can find I think I have to agree in the end that there is no significant coverage. My apologies for having taken up your time. - ManicSpider (talk) 03:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Graffiti4Hire

Hi there. You closed the above AfD as "delete" even though the article was well-sourced and certainly met WP:GNG, counter to your close assertion. I counted a total of two delete comments, and both of these just made vague gestures towards coverage without providing any specifics. Conversely, the keep comments pointed towards sources, newspaper articles, etc and while the AfD was running, the article was augmented and referenced significantly in comparison to when AfD started. This is why I converted my original 'delete' comment to 'weak keep'. Would you care to possibly reconsider your deletion here, please? - Alison ^❤ 01:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I actually did take a look at all the sources presented and I have to agree with the delete !voters. None of them provided the in depth coverage required by WP:GNG. There were no writups about the company itself. Unless something else comes up that I missed then "delete" has to remain the call. However, if you disagree with this then you are welcome to have the close reviewed. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Demitasse spoon

Demitasse spoon is still just one sentence long despite the empty claims at its AfD, and I would make a substantial bet that it will be no longer in a year's time. You're right about the concensus though, but the concensus was wrong. Malleus Fatuorum 01:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with you and I was almost tempted to !vote "redirect" or "merge" instead of close but if I did that then another admin would have come along and punched it "keep". You could try a redirect per WP:BOLD to List of types of spoons as suggested by Clarityfiend and see if you get lucky. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Can't be bothered. Let the one-sentence article remain forever. Malleus Fatuorum 01:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

(Excuse the interruption, but...) Demitasse spoon is now expanded a little bit to three sentences.     Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)     21:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of redirected pages

I nominated Ahmed Abdulkafi, and Dario Dumić on the grounds that articles the same people had been previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Abdelkafi and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dario Dumic respectively. I was under the assumption that that was sufficient to qualify for G4. If it is the name and not the subject of an article that determines whether it qualifies for G$, I'll gladly take both to AfD as they both still fail notability, it just seems a little silly that the whether or not an article can be speedy deleted should depend on the presence or absence of a little tick on one of the letters. I just ask you take this into consideration. Thanks. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

It was the different spellings that through me off. If the spelling is different then you need to link to the AFD discussion in question. Dario Dumic was restored by the deleting admin so that will need to go back to AFD if you want it deleted. I'll take a closer look at the rest. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Ahmed Abdulkafi goes, Dario Dumić stays. According to the deleting admin he's made pro. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Dead Sea Souls article

• Dead Sea Souls · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]

I saw that the article on the Band "Dead Sea Souls" was deleted. I can understand that where I left it may have made it look inadequate. I was actually not done with the article and thought I was just saving it cause I didn't have the time to finish it. I have been using lots of resources to make sure i'm getting the most accurate information I can. I just wasnt able to finish it in one sitting and didnt know how to save without posting.

Can I please finish the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadseausfan (talk • contribs) 17:46, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

It was deleted (after being tagged by another editor) because in the article, you didn't say why this band was important or significant. (see criteria for speedy deletion A7) In other words, what makes it different from the thousands of garage bands and myspace bands out there that don't have articles? Has your band released any albums? Has it played in any "notable" venues? (what it "King Tuts"?) Have any notable news organizations written articles about your group? Are there any sources for any of this? Everybody wants to create articles for their local band and thousands of these get deleted so you have to tell us what sets your band apart before you hit the "save" button for the first time. You can read more about our guidelines for music here, particularly the section on criteria for musicians and ensembles. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Hit-5 Article Deletation

• HIT-5 · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Dear Ron Ritzman, It has come to my attention that you have deleted the wikipedia article for "Hit-5" I believe that this is a wrong termination because Hit-5 is an actual Mainland Chinese Band. The lack of information is due the Chinese censorship on google; if you search Hit-5 on Baidu or Sina, you will come up with multiple articles and their official sina page. Secondly, they have released 1 EP, 1 Album, and 1 Single, thus they are not promotional at all. If you would like a confirmation, feel free to youtube Hit-5, you will come up with at least 4 different music videos of the boy band and multiple songs. If you venture onto any chinese fansite for these boys, you will see that they have multiple interviews, thus providing the information on the wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.235.210 (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

If that's the case (Chinese censorship) then that's quite unfortunate but without verifiable coverage we can't have an article on this band. If something else turns up we'll reconsider. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)