User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 34

WA Portal

I'd be happy to help out where I can, though I've never been to WA, it's a job probably best left to you locals. "Good on ya" for taking the initiative to keep the portal updated. Local content can only attract more local editors who in turn might create more local content, so in the end, we can hope something positive is acheived. Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 08:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

oggle

oggle hits and banksias - nah there are sure to be the earlier described but vanished variety out there somewhere that don't even get onto oggle! Im out! SatuSuro 12:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Since that day I was bored and decided to count google hits, Mast and Thiele have transferred Dryandra into Banksia. So the number of species has more than doubled. Rich pickings for further obscurity. ;-) Hesperian 12:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Birds

Thanks. Its a very mind-numbing labour intensive job I work on occasionally when I'm bored and have some spare time. When its finished it'll look great but is going to take forever sadly. Feel free to do a few.

I got a nice email from Kevin at the ZigZag website and hopefully he'll send me some more gradient data. —Moondyne 00:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Gastro delights

File:Gastrolobium 01 gnangarra.JPG As it happens yeah I do will upload in the coming days, but not sure on species. Though I dont have any images from 1840's only recently taken ones. Gnangarra 01:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Good one-I was reading an article, by Sid Shea, which stated that Southwest Australia has an immensely toxic environment. If not for our microbial friends, the place would be uninhabitable. This lot cracked a special mention. You should DYK it, what was the term for when cattle were poisoned by it? Cygnis insignis 03:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

• http://www.cpbr.gov.au/cgi-bin/wintab is useful for resolving any taxonomic palaver. Further reading: Chandler, G.R., Crisp, M.D., Cayzer, L.W. & Bayer, R.J. (2002) Monograph of Gastrolobium (Fabaceae: Mirbelieae). Australian Systematic Botany 15(5) Cygnis insignis 04:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

... which I can send you a PDF of if you want. But I'm inclined to suggest you not jump in quite so deep just yet. Hesperian 05:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

presume I have id the right plant for the gastro article, FYI its was taken at Ellis Brook reserve again. Gnangarra 13:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(intruding from the east) it appears to be Daviesia cordata (Bookleaf) [1][2] Melburnian 13:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

no problems intruding, this image from the stirling range probable is then after looking thru flora base. Gnangarra 14:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not too sure on ID for that one --Melburnian 02:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Where are the specimens? Are they at hand, or images? When should I up that way? Cygnis insignis 01:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

W/Shield

It was awful heh, but at least you can understand it now. Needs some more referencing though. —Moondyne 07:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Cats

Which Categories do you have problems with that i created ? Boylo 11:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Leading paragraphs

SatuSuro - I have read your changes in the pages you mentioned (history and awards sections). Thank you for fixing these up. When I started working on wikipedia it was a bit of trial and error and I know that I should go back and maintain some of the earlier pages worked on. In a little while I will be going back to work on literature and biographies again and will remember your suggestions. Regards Stellar 13:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm butting in on this interesting conversation because I've been interested in the issue of lead paragraphas and have been doing some work on them - on my articles and on others I've come across. Links and citations are interesting points. My daughter told me recently that you are not supposed to have citations in your essay introductions and I've been wondering about this issue with lead paras. The thing is that with lead paras you need to make some claims about importance and sometimes you need to cite that. I regularly look at feature articles to resolve some style issue I have and I (usually) only get more confused because invariably they differ!! I guess the thing is to have a reason for what you do and be prepared to discuss it?? Sterry2607 00:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ceram Sea

Thanks. Jlittlet 03:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Remarks

No ! I am not interested in corresponding with you anymore, and that post was directed to Orderinchaos, who adopted me, so speak with him regarding this. If your not happy with my work on Wikipedia, then I am no longer interested in your remarks to me. Boylo 03:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Hobart events

Do you think this category could do with a better title, such as Vistor attractions in Hobart, Festivals in Hobart or similar? -- Longhair\^talk 05:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hanns Johst has the answer to who said that line btw... -- Longhair\^talk 05:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Bl'adder creek

One of the few that did. Have a look at the Leon Pericles painting at the state ref. Cygnis insignis 05:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

WA challenge

Feel up to a challenge? Let's see if you can re-sort those articles within Category:Western Australia into relevant subcategories. Some of those articles sit idle there simply because they have no sub-category to go to. -- Longhair\^talk 12:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

We've only got a pile half the size to sort back home at Category:Victoria :) -- Longhair\^talk 12:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

When I saw that title, I thought exactly the same thing :) Not for me. I think I accused them of COI last time around... ;) -- Longhair\^talk 13:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you got any input to throw at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australia#Project_bot_work? I see an easier road ahead once we get the mundane stuff out of the way like counting backlogs. -- Longhair\^talk 02:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought silence was the answer? :) Lucky we don't have voice capabilities here yet hey... :) -- Longhair\^talk 02:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Your reply reminds me of a classic line from a Young Ones episode, "the only reason you don't like it is because you don't understand it" :) -- Longhair\^talk 03:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been quite windy here of late, so much so that I lost the shed roof. -- Longhair\^talk 11:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

...and you just got a bite on your TAS topic... -- Longhair\^talk 11:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Geez - the paint had hardly dried on that maritime category before you got to it. Your response times have improved :) -- Longhair\^talk 14:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I notice that page move in your contribs. Was that the only one you found? Strange. A stuttering keyboard at work it seems... -- Longhair\^talk 14:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Mid-importance Australian maritime history articles didn't exist at all. I've created that one. -- Longhair\^talk 14:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Stranger things have happened. The odds of my screwing up greatly increase when the hours enter the small ones :) -- Longhair\^talk 14:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

24.34.163.213

When I visited wikipedia using a different browser (Switching from an old version of Opera to 9.5 beta), I found this message sitting in my IP's discussion: " Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.SatuSuro 00:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)"

I'm not the only one using this IP, and when I make changes I make them under my username (Shardz). I'll hunt around the house for the culprit. Could you point me in the right direction of the bad edits so I can get to the bottom of this? Thanks --Shardz 18:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the thing was I had changed browsers from Flock to Opera (so I could syncronize between OS's [Gentoo, Ubuntu, Windows XP]). For the most part I'm logged in, it was just then that I noticed it (since I had yet to add all my accounts to Opera.) I'll get everyone using this IP to register and login before making edits, so that we can track down who's making bad changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shardz (talk • contribs) 22:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC) I tracked it down. It was my little sister. There's talk in the family about moving to Perth,_Western_Australia. I'll make sure she doesn't mess anything else up again. --Shardz 22:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Gödel

For tagging Category talk:WikiProject Western Australia articles into Category:WikiProject Western Australia articles, I hereby appoint Kurt Gödel to watch over your talk page. Hesperian 12:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Privateer award For finding himself in favor with the new regime due to his ties with Henrietta. Gnangarra 13:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

to explain the first sentence of the last para of this section caught my eye and I thought of your associations instantly. Gnangarra 13:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh the gunpowder plot was his father Sir Everard, Gnangarra 13:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The more obscure portion to this are being delivered via g(e) thingie Gnangarra 13:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Another

protocarnivorous cryptid -
well .., unknown to me! Cheers, Cygnis insignis 16:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Gastro II

Yes one started, 108 to go. Next one from me G. praemorsum. Not sure on secondary sources for bio, others would know better than I. Hopefully, we can get some more Gastro photos during the current flowering season. --Melburnian 02:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

WA map

Heh, thanks for the Heisenberg. I'm sure I'll one day come close to understanding what you wrote on my talk page there. :) - Mark 12:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Perth and music

A category is probably the best way of dealing with the music groups but some editors like to see a list. As the list at present doesn't offer much context, it will be interesting to see if it survives but perhaps someone will adopt it and bring it up to speed. At the least, it has now been removed from the main article and perhaps without the list editors will not be "inspired" to add more bands to the article (I am probably over optimistic.) -- Mattinbgn\ ^talk —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up with have a look Dan arndt 01:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The Someloves

I was hoping that you could help me as one of the articles I have posted has recently had a copyright voilation notice posted on it and I cannot for the life of me work out how this article is a copyright violation as it doesn't resemble the reference cited 'All Music Guide' at all - the basic facts are the same but thats only becuase they are historical and not in dispute. If there was anythign that even faintly represented a copyright violation of that reference I would be happy to correct it but I honestly can't work it out. I was going to put in some references to the quotes used in the article but find myself unable and the article about to be deleted. Is there some process that I can question the posting of the copyright violation notice?Dan arndt 06:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Have posted a note on Moondyne's talk page - just concerned as the notice says the article is to be deleted however as the original creator I was never notified. Dan arndt 06:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC) by the way was able to decypher your other comments and put my comments on the talk page. Dan arndt 06:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Appreciate all of your (combined) assistance - I just wasn't certain of the 'formal' process as its the first time thats happened to me & didn't want to get myself into any strife. Dan arndt 06:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

'Agony' & 'Strife' - i like that!Dan arndt 07:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

sci fi and crime

SatuSuro - I am planning to find the information already in wiki and fix that up first. There is already a category for Aust crime writers. Science fiction is an almost empty field. It is easy to get distracted with this wiki hobby. I keep doing this and that and then not having enough time to read! I am off to read a book now... Stellar 13:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism :-)

Well if you don't want to have to just watch the vandals, you know what I'd suggest ;-) ... WjBscribe 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

'elloe

Yeah, sounds good. What about somme Emily Pelloe [3] for a art later? Cygnis insignis 02:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Statistics

[4] Why just a cat? Can't have a nice project banner as well? —Moondyne 11:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Communications in Indonesia for collab?

Hi JarrahTree/Archive 34, Communications in Indonesia currently has the most votes for the next collab but I think we should agree on a direction for the article before we make it the collab. In the meantime I will post Sutan Sjahrir as next fortnight's collab. As one of the nominators, can you please put your thoughts on Talk:Communications in Indonesia? Many thanks. --Merbabu 09:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Antarctica banner

For what it's worth, some projects do place categories at various levels of importance, although I personally don't know why. Anyway, I think that might have been the reason used in arranging the banner as it is. But I see your point, and have no objections to the change, unless someone does state that they think certain categories should be of importance in and of themselves. John Carter 15:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to change it in exactly that way. We could however just change all the non-article pages to NA class, which would probably be the preferable alterntive anyway. John Carter 15:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You didn't make a fuss, you pointed out a legitimate concern. Anyway, I'm kinda tired at looking at football players right now and welcome the change. John Carter 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Generals

Happy thwarting! I was very surprised to see there are so few articles about these people. Regards Davidelit 07:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Cheery-o

Thanks the the notey. What was i thinking? not even i know. Twenty Years 11:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I will more than definately take up your offer, but some time in the future, for i am somewhat busy atm. Thanks alot for the help. Twenty Years 11:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: As for

I'm all over your watchlist like a rash hey? :) -- Longhair\^talk 09:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Rice

I need more clue. — Indon (reply) — 07:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Menzies

Thanks again for that. Unfortunately, you were right in predicting that I wouldn't be able to make much of it. This is the best I could do. Cygnis would fare no better for Verticordia.

It might come in useful elsewhere though. This is a reference a collection of a Musk Duck. Whether it was the first such collection, or otherwise significant, I wouldn't know:

"... we saw some curious ducks — I shot one of a dark grey colour with a wattle pendulous from the under side of its bill which induced me to name it Anas carunculata."

Hesperian 13:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Over there

Agreed - been pretty quiet in the Apple Isle. Maybe the phone line across Bass Strait is out? Seriously, I used to live 15 mins walk up the hill from the Myer store and shopped there quite a few times - sad to see its gone. Zamphuor 12:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment on my talk page

I'm not entirely sure that I fully comprehend the comment you left on my talk page. Regarding the general questions, are there any individuals who are interested in project management, I know of several, but most of them, by User:Kirill Lokshin and User:Titoxd, have reasonably tried to limit their activities to the specific projects with which they are most closely affiliated, specifically WP:MILHIST and WP:TROP. There are some other individuals who do a great deal of work with their own projects, but not many that expend a great deal of effort beyond that field. Regarding the larger question of whether there are individuals interested in wikiproject management in gneral, my answer would be that if there are, they're fairly good at hiding, because I've not seen much evidence of them. The question regarding an "off your talk page a space where like persons explain ideas" is one I don't clearly comprehend, so I won't try to answer. I also don't think that as far as I know thare is any particular special group which to date offers to help "maintain" projects, although the new Wikipedia:WikiProject recruitment for WikiProjects right now looks to come closest to that idea, and could potentially be expanded to include general project management. Right now, though, I don't think there are enough parties involved or really interesteed to make that more than a vague possibility. If you would like to propose such a group, though, or would like to see one proposed, I would be more than happy to do what I can to see if we can get together enough people to give it a go. John Carter 15:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That is why i call it a recruitment project. Recruiting is the most important thing.--Daanschr 19:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Recruitment project

Welcome on board El Greco,

I have scheduled two kinds of tasks for the moment:

• Organize the management department in order to make recruitment possible for WikiProjects.
• Recruiting new participants who can help organizing the management department.

Also, i am thinking about a namechange. Instead of Wikipedia:WikiProject recruitment for WikiProjects, it would be better to call it Wikipedia:Recruitment for WikiProjects.--Daanschr 18:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Could you give some feedback about the text of the introduction. I think it is to complicated, (see Wikipedia:WikiProject recruitment for WikiProjects#Management).--Daanschr 09:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay.--Daanschr 09:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

wah malu sekali (pardon my indonesian) I hadnt realised I was being rude to another editor - my problem is I havent read through yours and Johns and el greco comments on the project talk page carefully enough yet - I need to see where you folks are coming from on all of this - I come from having tagged articles ( I just dislike red 'discussion tags at the tope of pages so much - it is a sign of an orphan article or category for a start )

and sheer disbelief that others have not sufficiently engineered their projects to have assessment geared in - this is where in the australia project - cj and longhair are brilliant in their helping setting up subdsidiary projects to the parent australia project - generous and clever to boot! SatuSuro 09:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Satu, my conversation with Astrohurricane says a lot about where i come from: User talk:Daanschr#Re:Wikiproject.--Daanschr 09:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

wandering the darling scarp

Thank you for your note, it was very nice :) Comte0 19:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, SatuSoro

Thank you very much for your 'welcome' and your good suggestions that I'll follow through. Powderbark2 00:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

sessilis

The article is a very long way away from being so good that it can't be improved by a couple of unreferenced sentences. You go for it; I'll let you know if/when I'm ready to become the citation police. Hesperian 11:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Cavanagh (2006), page 39–40:

"Another characteristic Dryandra association is the Dryandra "thicket". These are dense stands of dryandras, often of one or a restricted number of species which shed prolific amounts of seeds annually. These seeds have a high viability and often germinate rapidly after favourable rains. The seedlings grow quickly and may suppress other species in time, unless the area is burnt relatively frequently. Their spread is often assisted by disturbance of an area. An example is the widespread Parrot-bush (Dryandra sessilis) which on the limestones of the Swan Coastal Plain forms thickets, especially in areas which are not frequently burnt. These dense stands are of much value to beekeepers because of the large quantities of nectar the flowers produce."

Hesperian 12:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Read

but do we actually have to do as well? Gnangarra 05:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

ok i was being vague and it lost momentum because it was in response to you last edit summary before logging out earlier diff Gnangarra 13:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, after cleaning the category, I ended up with a lot of articles, some with the template, and some without; so that's why I forgot. I wrote a script and left some 170 references on my user page to be done, I'll probably make a bot request later, after checking all those links. Regards, Comte0 22:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Formatting issues

Hi SatuSuro, thanks for the advice, but I don't really understand what your problem was. The only formatting I used was the newspaper stub from templates. Perhaps you can explain.Jsimpson1100 12:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It is easy when you have made the same mistake. In fact, I was posting on a template yesterday :P [5] Can you trump that one Tweedle? Cygnis insignis 14:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Spooky isn't it. I remember my initial trepidation and horror at making a mistake. I think of it as a moor, rather than a common. Cygnis insignis 14:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

powderbark2 again

Thanks SatuSuro. Please refer my user page (note: this suggestion is low priority).Powderbark2 03:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

horns was just responding to his greenhorn comment, as the appology on my talk page i dont even know whats its for. As for the RS I didnt get a chance to increase the mortgage so kinder have missed out Gnangarra 03:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I was indicating they provided supplementary evidence for a contention already made. I'm well aware of the errors in said publications :) Orderinchaos 04:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mundaring

Cool. I've also been majorly distracted by lots of random things around the wiki - I haven't done much on Australian articles lately besides a fixup on Kambalda. Anyway, you've gotta love drive-by vandals - I seem to have unwittingly reverted one just then. Graham87 14:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Catch

Yup. Got funnier when you dig and dig. :-) — Indon (reply) — 15:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Bars

Huh? —Moondyne 15:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I just realised it doesn't display properly with Internet Explorer which I guess is what you're using. With Firefox it looks fine. I'll try to look at it later but am heavily committed elsewhere for most of today. —Moondyne 03:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done. —Moondyne 08:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand

Please explain clearly what your issue is. Also you haven't been clear as to why it should be called "Tamar Valley Pulp Mill" and not "Bell Bay". I don't really see the issue. Please don't say "see my comments elsewhere". I simply don't see what the issue is. —Pengo 00:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

There's a huge amount of info missing from the pulp mill article and related articles (e.g. the Tamar Valley, Tasmania article is just a stub, with nothing on the Tamar Estuary, and many particular issues of the mill have not been named). I don't see the usefulness in bickering on the margins/talk pages when there's so much to add to the articles proper -- which are in a very sorry state. You could easily add three cited statements for every naming squibble you can win or delay. Please help by adding to the articles themselves! —Pengo 00:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

WIN Television

OK, I will cease my reverts/edit war until Stickylabel enters the discussion arena. The editor who created the schedule took it off WIN Illawarra and South Coast's website, and it is different for the other O&O stations. Auroranorth 12:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

He, he. Yes, I am still waiting! Auroranorth 12:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Remember I cannot edit project namespace articles. However, I believe we need somebody not affiliated with the TV project here. Auroranorth 12:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Removal of comments

I have removed your last comments because I corrected the Userpage Template and REMOVED the Radio station categories. Kathleen.wright5 12:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Bali Sea (sic)

It's well-covered at talk:Battle of Makassar Strait, hehe. The logic is wrong-headed but easy to follow: "well, the Dutch colonial admin called it Balizee, and a literal translation of that is 'Bali Sea'..." Bzzt! Nope, not in English. Grant | Talk 16:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right...

Here a daftar, there a daftar (yang memang "aneh"), everywhere a daftar. --Merbabu 03:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:WIN Television

Hi SatuSuro, let me know what you think of my most recent contribution. Hope I haven't overstepped. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 10:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

West Australian Wild Flowers

Can you easily put your hands on the 1935 West Australian Wild Flowers? I've scanned (but not yet uploaded) an Edgar Dell plate of B. sessilis (a.k.a. Dryandra sessilis a.k.a. Dryandra floribunda) from the 1959 Wildflowers of Western Australia. I suspect it also appears in the '35, and would like confirmation. Hesperian 12:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers. Hesperian 12:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind; thanks for looking. It seems even Henrietta doesn't have a first edition. Hesperian 13:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Tomorrow I hope to track down a copy of the 1961 issue of Australian Plants (June or September, not sure which) in which it was featured. Hesperian 13:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. I've got to log off - should have done so an hour ago, as I have a disrupted night ahead, a very early morning and a big day. Will pick up the gmail discussion tomorrow. Hesperian 13:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Aussie film

Well no there doesn't appear to be any communication from User:Longhair for breaking up the film cateogries. If he also "showed respect" he would have let other Aussie project members know about it and certainly let WP Films know his intentions but he didn't he just went ahead and continued with his 1 million edits on wikipedia . Reverting this is no different. Longhair has done some great work for wikipedia for a long time but he should have contacted both projects before messing it up The Wild West guy 14:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I am also sorry we had to meet this way. Beleive me I would rather not have to waste time reverting either when it could have been discussed in advance and a project decision made involving both Australia and WP Films before large scale changes were made initally. All the best The Wild West guy 14:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks anyway. I beleive both edits by Longhair and myself were done in good faith but all I say is it definately should have been discussed first with the projects. I know Longhair is a good and respected editor but even he needs to discuss with the project of he makes large scale changes. Respect and regards The Wild West guy 15:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Seems a bit of a fuss here. I'm sure we can get this sorted out between both projects it involves. Definately discussion by consensus from my experience is the key before major changes are made by either Longhair or Wild West guy , but both editors clearly had a right to do what they thought was best and were most likely acting in good faith I don;t see any malicious intent. It should have been a joint decision with the Australia project and Films I believe. Saludos amigo. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 15:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it'll be sorted. Not a good idea to make major changes without consensus . Hey you ought to see my User:Blofeld of SPECTRE/Gallery. I'm really into Bollywood women -I am gonna create a fit woman gallery. LOL! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 15:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Indian Pacific

I DO understand that "trans is the track, pacific is the train", but would prefer that that difference is described in one article. Two just confuse the reader. Could you comment on the talk page please? —Moondyne 15:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Bali Sea, Balizee and Laut Bali

This is why if people don't understand about a language and making his/her own judgment about anglicisation. It's just a translation and consistency issue there. Should I propose a new move discussion to get consensus? — Indon (reply) — 01:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I just heard our friend stated that "there is no Bali Sea, but only Laut Bali" in the Talk:Battle of Makassar Strait. (??). — Indon (reply) — 01:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

--Starstylers 04:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)Italic text

Prabowo Subianto

Honestly, this article is dreadful. The dasar wong singke (wong cino) and the bourgeoisie Mahasiswa2 have attacked it with their intellectual paucity and dogmata once again and made it a total character assassination and polemic. As a Jakarta resident and son-in-law to unnamed serving Javanese politician I actually KNOW as opposed to speculate about Wiranto AND Prabowo and the political manoeveurings of Habibie-Wiranto-Clinton-Cohen versus the Reagan-Bush era Prabowo-Suharto. It is totally ridiculous- there is nothing substantiating aside from hearsay, speculation and gossip. Furthermore,m I sincerely doubt whether obviously politically biased reportage can be suitably admissible as corroborating reference texts- most especially the ludicrous drivel of the NGO's.

Horderns Railway

While working on info for Alfred Sandover I was looking at corresdondence (suggested by your mistress at SLWA) by William Sandover(Alfreds brother) to his father William Sandover(SA politician), any way this referred to Horderns Railway do you know anything about this and how the Sandovers are involved. Gnangarra 06:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania

I have already put the idea to WT:WA. That's all I am going to say for now. Auroranorth 10:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Oops. I moved the discussion from WT:WA to WT:PERTH after I saw discussion had already occurred there. Auroranorth 10:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WM and WP are separate (although related) enterprises, and involvement in it is entirely voluntary and not mandated by simply happening to live in a place and being part of the local community. It's more likely than not that a majority of our support crew would be either not from Perth, or from Perth but not from our community. Similarly if Melbourne makes a bid I'd support it from here and probably fly over and assist when it's on. Orderinchaos 11:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

What sort of issues? (Email if you prefer) Orderinchaos 11:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Rotto

I think it's actually pretty good. Gotta go soon, it's dinner time ... Graham87 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 10:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere

Doesn't look too bad to me. Wait till the Japanese nationalists spot it. Then there will be fun and games. Grant | Talk 12:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

You've been around a long time

This editor is a Veteran Editor II, and is entitled to display this Bronze Editor Star.

Two and a half years of great editing and that's why I am giving you this.--Sandahl 00:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)}}

3 months

Until I get to that point. Glad you liked the barnstar. :)--Sandahl 05:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Labor Right or Katter for Kennedy?

You sometimes speak in such riddles I have no idea what you're talking about :P WikiTownsvillian 13:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Translation given at users talk page SatuSuro 14:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

After that foray into the sanctum the other night

(I saw that change) - I have about 10 to 20 items with the name with close variants 'wildflowers of western australia' - probably will put it up as a (stub) before i go east next week SatuSuro 13:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested in tracking the history of its cultivation. Would like to know what the following books have to say about it:

• Newbey, K. West Australian wildflowers for horticulture - Can access this one myself. I've got this one now.
• Fairall, West Australian native plants in cultivation - I will have to go to Battye to get this one. Received, thanks.
• Lord, Shrubs and trees for Australian gardens - any and all editions; I suspect '70 may be the first edition to cover Dryandra. I can only easily access the '64 edition. Battye has '50, '64, '70 and '81. Serendipity Books has '77, but I don't like the price. I've seen '67 and '70, and it isn't really worth pursuing any further.
• Rogers Growing Australian native plants and Growing more Australian native plants. Battye has the first of these.
• Elliot & Jones Encyclopaedia of Australian plants - gazillions of editions; I'm not quite sure how to handle this one.
• Johnson & Burchett, Native Australian Plants: Horticulture and Uses - Battye has it, but I'm not sure if it covers Dryandra.
• There's also Lothian & Holliday Growing Australian Plants, but again I'm not sure if it covers Dryandra.
• There was a brief article on Dryandra by Elliott in '73 Your Garden 26(5). Battye has it in the tec stack, but I don't know if I can be bothered pursuing it.
• I've got a copy of the recent Growing Locals, which might have something too.

If you've got any of these on your shelves, a scan of any info on sessilis would be super-duper. Hesperian 23:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

• There's also Blombery ('55) Native Australian plants: their propagation and cultivation.
  • Morcombe, Australia's Western Wildflowers.

Can you pull out your June '61 Australian Plants again please? For some reason the Dryandra stuff is on pages 1 to 8, which you've already sent, then there's some other crap on pages 9 to 11, and the real gold is on pages 12 to 14. Hesperian 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Received, thanks.

It's okay, then, don't worry about it. I had it in my hot little hand today, but didn't essay to obtain a colour scan as I figured it would be a trivial matter for your good self. I'll scan it myself tomorrow. Hesperian 06:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me know if any of your "10 to 20 items with the name with close variants 'wildflowers of western australia'" are the 1924 book of that name by Emily Pelloe (not the later editions that Gardner helped her out with). That 1924 one is entirely public domain and is begging to be put up on Wikisource. Hesperian 05:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Banksia sessilis

Wrigley & Fagg Australian Native Plants (1979)

CULTIVATION: Not easily grown in eastern States although some successes have been noted in Melbourne. Excellent drainage essential. Frost tolerance not tested. --Melburnian 06:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep, with a "PROPAGATION: From seed." above, and an "L." at the end. Hesperian 06:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one :) --Melburnian 06:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Fairall received with thanks. No need to scan again - I have enough images not to make a fair use claim for the image shown there, so I can only use the text. I assume that text doesn't continue on the next page. Hesperian 06:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

June pages 12 to 14. Hesperian 06:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Chat

Which articles did you want to talk about? --Hughesdarren 10:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I had a very quick look on-line and found alot of general information about the islands of the archipeligo but not much that is specific to any single island that was suitable to start a more lengthy article about (even Woody Island didn't have all that much). Do you think list of all islands in the archipeligo is a worth-while start? --Hughesdarren 13:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is coming along very nicely - I like the bit about the dive wreck - I has heard of this and intended on chasing a reference down later but you have beaten me to it. Keep up the good work :) --Hughesdarren 15:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

T. F. Eccles

A favourite is anticipating a big pay off. I can afford my very own toothbrush ... I can afford my very own tooth! Cygnis insignis 12:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep, and the romance of travel by Wurlitzer. Anywho, back to my brake. Cygnis insignis 12:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

You have befuddled me brain cell, my captain! EEyagh-ha Cygnis insignis 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

ROFL: I wish I remember how it got there, but like some other eclectic ones, Koala and tectonic plate theory, the fact that they keep getting vandalised is an endless source of fascination for me. I dare not take him off my list, but I have to remove something to stop the dreaded four figures in the LOOKOUT list. For that is my arbitrary cut off point/ What in the turgid miasma of existence brings these so much attention. And, of course, I should not let on how amusing some of the vandalism is ... HRH to Mr?! Head on a pike for that 'un. I only here to try and fixx a stub, and rebut the taunts of one western view. Western stars come out tonight ... hear the wind - and so on. Cygnis insignis 16:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[[Australian Plants]]: was this for my benefit, or a happy coincidence? In fact, do you mean the journal or something else? Cygnis insignis 15:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC) Do you have Fryxell, P.A. (1966) Australian Plants 4: 16-18 (17-18). by any chance?

Questions

Why are these supposed 'experts' (noting their total lack of formal or informal qualifications and or experience) on Indonesian politics and or history being so pettily precious? I aim not to interfere with their material nor to invalidate it? So what's the frickin' problem? I point out my degrees both outrank others' in terms of rank and Institutional prestige. Furthermore I argue any and all contruibutions I have made to date are far more worthy of serious academic study than the triva et esoteria ad nauseum one encoutners all too frequently on Wikipedia- most especially crap about some slut porno star. Starstylers 18:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Bennetts

Oops. By the way, I flicked through the toxic plants book with the Dell plates today. Very nice indeed. When are you going to start uploading them? Hesperian 11:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

French refs

Fully agree. If there are adequate references in english we should list them in preference to these in french. Cheers Zamphuor 08:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Australia articles by WikiProject

If I recall correctly, this category was created as an easy way to locate all articles maintained by a particular WikiProject. If you've found some projects that aren't included be sure to add them. -- Longhair\^talk 11:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind keeping an eye on the accuracy of the following tables on your travels throughout the Australia Wikipedian content...

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Maintenance
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Projects
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Places
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Sports
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Photographs

With a few more tweaks a bot should be able to tally up the results in the tables for us automatically to make life easier. The bot is currently updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics automatically however I've created the tables as separate pages so that interested editors may transclude the tables they choose to work with onto their personal pages. Hopefully they'll begin to update regularly. If there's anything that's been missed, now's the time to let us know. -- Longhair\^talk 12:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No categories for them yet. Let's see how the bot functions for a bit before we invite the new pages into part of the family. -- Longhair\^talk 21:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The bot appeared to update overnight, and your categories didn't break anything. Leave them as is I guess. Strike the above :) -- Longhair\^talk 21:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Showing off

[6] It might not look like much, but it represents my first serious attempt to translate from the original Latin source: "Duae tamen sectiones (seu subgenera) fructus structuram admodium diversam et a Dryandris veris et ab invicem exhibent." &c. &c. ;-) Hesperian 12:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Darwin Crater/glass

Finally got around to doing the Darwin Crater page - see what you think. And an image for Darwin glass. Cheers --Zamphuor 11:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi SatuSuro, thanks for the message. Yes, all is well, just real life has been pretty busy lately. Will still try to make an appearance on here every so often! -- Chuq (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Gleneagle

Thanks for the response. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 05:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Chidlows

Yes, I should have dropped in but was in a bit of a rush after a long lunch in Toodyay as well as a Cook's tour out to York. It was very pleasant. Good to see you back —Moondyne 06:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Fot years, I'd thought the official name was Chidlows. —Moondyne 06:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

G'day

Nice to see you around about again. I see you've been cleaning up after me as usual (i.e. tagging). There would have been a lot more where they come from, but Longhair beat you to it. Hesperian 01:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

So did you like my three Alexander Islands? A little while ago someone got their knickers in a knot over the fact that all three W.A. East Islands were targetted at East Island (Western Australia). I didn't really care, but couldn't see a simpler-but-still-polite way out of the conversation than to just deal with the problem. So I created East Island (Lacepede Islands), East Island (Mary Anne Group) and East Island (Ashmore and Cartier Islands). Also Lacepede Islands, Mary Anne Group, East Island Lighthouse and East Island Lighthouse (Western Australia). It was an interesting exercise; interesting enough that I went on and did the three Alexander Islands too. I may do some others yet, but I also have my eye on the 122 islands in the Houtman Abrolhos. Hesperian 02:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

its getting rather quiet around here, no complicated cryptic messages, nice to see your still around. Gnangarra 03:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Aus Edu

I know how you feel with regard to the musuems, im personally waiting for a WP Australian culture to hand them over to a project that would actually care for them. With regard to libraries, i feel slightly differently, they should be covered by both Edu and Culture. We must remember that the scope of the project is to deal with all articles in the Education in Australia category tree, of which they are both apart. Until such time as a Aus Culture project is made, i guess, atleast theyre being watched for vandalism? Cheers for the comment. Twenty Years 04:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Steiner is coming along damn slowly. Do you know any books that are on the topic that i might be able to get a hold of? Twenty Years 04:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I wonder why Museums and Libraries arent sitting squarely within History projects. Are they not the guardians of our history, the repositories of our past. Sure they are used for education, and they retain parts of our culture but everthing within their walls is a part of history. Gnangarra 04:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Might be worth bringing up on the relevant WP's talk pages. Edu isnt maintaning them in any meaningful way, of the active members of EIA, not one of us has touched a library/museum article. Id personally say that Libraries perform a historical, educational and cultural role in Australian society, the same case could be made for musuems, which i feel are more cultural than anything. Twenty Years 05:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. Sorry I haven't been working more on the Indonesia project lately; I have lots of interests and often end up sidetracked. Rigadoun (talk) 05:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

ed thingie

I had just gone to your monobook page, when the orange message box appeared. :) Gnangarra 12:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

poor you, singing can be tiring. Gnangarra

Royalists

Thats treason you speak of. Send him to the tower! —Moondyne 08:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou

SatuSuro, I am pleased to issue you with the inaugural Drover's Award. The Award is to be given to Australian Wikipedians who work tirelessly behind the scenes, especially on WikiProject maintenance tasks. Thanks for your contributions which help build a better encyclopedia. —Moondyne 13:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Australian Aboriginal mythology

Can you or somebody cleanup Australian Aboriginal mythology its shocker thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

OK its shame there aren't more native australians to develop it -I'm certain there is potential great article in there. What do you mean flabbergasted by my user pages? In a good or a bad way? Do you like my humour? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes I do seem markedly different to many of the editors on here - I guess it is rare for somebody very intelligent to be more easy going and fun- that I can start articles like Deforestation in Brazil and still not take things too seriously. I admit I spend far too long editing wikiepdia though!!! There are far too many stiff people on here -hopefully when they visit my user pages they will try to lighten up and see I am not like them. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It does seem surprising -the Australian wikiproject always seems to be one of the best organized on here ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

?? But I am qualified. I have a Bachelor of Science in Human Geography - in fact one of my case studies in Uni was deforeestation in Indonesia and the Indorayon paper mill ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Drovers' award

Well I want one too! But I will settle for a crown. I really don't think it is that hard to get a triple crown for an established user - write one new article and give it a hook for Did You Know (DYK). Contribute 10 lines or so to an article that becomes a good article - we have a fortnightly colllaboration that facilitates participation and similarly contribute towards a featured article - the Australian collaboration aspires to produce featured work. Most regular contributers are able to jump the hurdles reasonably easily.

I was surprised when seeking to compile a list of my fellow Australians who might qualify that quite a lot of them had not participated in DYK although I know that they have written new articles. The advantage of DYK is that it encourages collaboration - the times I have submitted I wait with bated breath to see what wil be added - never are the articles untouched! (sometimes the editing is not significant I will agree)

We are a bit behind with GAs too - the proportion of Australian articles of GA status should be higher and probably is - they just haven't been nominated and assessed.

What I would like to see is more peer recognition. It seems a bit useless to nominate oneself for an award. Australians don't go in for peer recognition much - perhaps the notion is we don't want to set up tall poppies or something. If there are criteria to aspire to that might be better. Or perhaps it is something many just don't want.

All the best on your break --Matilda ^talk 20:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC) (heartily sick of the insults hurled at my former patriotic handle)

...thanks from myself also for the new shiny award. As mentioned to Moondyne, I guess a redesign of my userpage is in order so that I can include a space to display all the shiny bits collected since being here :) -- Longhair\^talk 07:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Plaosan and canals

Actually I just copied the text from the temple site itself ... I'll add some pics if I have the time :-) No, you haven't told me about the canals. Why are they special? I am rewriting some parts and adding some references for the Javanese language at this moment. Meursault2004 (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Royalists

Thats treason you speak of. Send him to the tower! —Moondyne 08:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou

SatuSuro, I am pleased to issue you with the inaugural Drover's Award. The Award is to be given to Australian Wikipedians who work tirelessly behind the scenes, especially on WikiProject maintenance tasks. Thanks for your contributions which help build a better encyclopedia. —Moondyne 13:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Australian Aboriginal mythology

Can you or somebody cleanup Australian Aboriginal mythology its shocker thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

OK its shame there aren't more native australians to develop it -I'm certain there is potential great article in there. What do you mean flabbergasted by my user pages? In a good or a bad way? Do you like my humour? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes I do seem markedly different to many of the editors on here - I guess it is rare for somebody very intelligent to be more easy going and fun- that I can start articles like Deforestation in Brazil and still not take things too seriously. I admit I spend far too long editing wikiepdia though!!! There are far too many stiff people on here -hopefully when they visit my user pages they will try to lighten up and see I am not like them. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It does seem surprising -the Australian wikiproject always seems to be one of the best organized on here ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 22:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

?? But I am qualified. I have a Bachelor of Science in Human Geography - in fact one of my case studies in Uni was deforeestation in Indonesia and the Indorayon paper mill ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Drovers' award

Well I want one too! But I will settle for a crown. I really don't think it is that hard to get a triple crown for an established user - write one new article and give it a hook for Did You Know (DYK). Contribute 10 lines or so to an article that becomes a good article - we have a fortnightly colllaboration that facilitates participation and similarly contribute towards a featured article - the Australian collaboration aspires to produce featured work. Most regular contributers are able to jump the hurdles reasonably easily.

I was surprised when seeking to compile a list of my fellow Australians who might qualify that quite a lot of them had not participated in DYK although I know that they have written new articles. The advantage of DYK is that it encourages collaboration - the times I have submitted I wait with bated breath to see what wil be added - never are the articles untouched! (sometimes the editing is not significant I will agree)

We are a bit behind with GAs too - the proportion of Australian articles of GA status should be higher and probably is - they just haven't been nominated and assessed.

What I would like to see is more peer recognition. It seems a bit useless to nominate oneself for an award. Australians don't go in for peer recognition much - perhaps the notion is we don't want to set up tall poppies or something. If there are criteria to aspire to that might be better. Or perhaps it is something many just don't want.

All the best on your break --Matilda ^talk 20:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC) (heartily sick of the insults hurled at my former patriotic handle)

...thanks from myself also for the new shiny award. As mentioned to Moondyne, I guess a redesign of my userpage is in order so that I can include a space to display all the shiny bits collected since being here :) -- Longhair\^talk 07:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Plaosan and canals

Actually I just copied the text from the temple site itself ... I'll add some pics if I have the time :-) No, you haven't told me about the canals. Why are they special? I am rewriting some parts and adding some references for the Javanese language at this moment. Meursault2004 (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

That is interesting. To be honest, I am not that often in Kota Gede although I am quite often in Yogya. Last in KG was in 2000. Meursault2004 (talk) 13:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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History of West Australia

You asked me to let you know when I put it up. Cheers. —Moondyne 14:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas down under!! and all the best for 2008 from the Bald One ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Out there

It was raining in Dubbo and the sky looks bloody heavy at lennox head have a happy whatever folks - cheers SatuSuro 21:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Satusuro. The signs portend of a safe and prosperous year ahead! Regardening, cygnis insignis 08:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Greetings

The joys of holidaying :-) Well it is another hot and dry one here today and 40+ tomorrow. I am back to work today, so at least it is air-conditioned. With Australian towns, I have made a resolution of sorts to be a little more ruthless with removing uncited information from articles, especially where it is of uncertain provenance and minimal notability. I'll have to see what reaction this gets but I feel it necessary; some of the town articles, especially in NSW and QLD are loaded with unencyclopedic trivia. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 22:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear friend, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Eve, and that 2008 is your best year yet! ~ Riana ⁂ 02:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hello SatuSuro, I hope you had a pleasant New Year's Day, and that 2008 brings further success, health and happiness! ...and further nationalist conquests ;) All the best!.... ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Hey cheers Satu - I see that you have been (broadly speaking) visiting my neck of the woods. And indeed I have been visiting Tas. Nice to hear from you. Happy New Year to you too my friend. --VS ^talk 09:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• PS have added a few new pics to the Tassie project pages. Hope you like? --VS ^talk 09:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Does it contravene the MOS To have the same heading 3 times? Anyway, have a good one and remember to keep your camels away from the Gastros on your expeditions --Melburnian (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

happy Mango season

'TIS MANGO SEASON....
Have a shlice of mango cheek...well, I am up to my armpits in the things. Yuletide means lots and lots of mangos, as well as turkey and ham and ice-cream and pressies. Were on special so I bought 3 crates for AU$20 and now I have both crispers in the refrigerator full and even with everyone eating two of the ##$@& things every mealtime... I am a bit mangoed out so I thought I'd spread the goodwill around....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

have fun up there...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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• • • Definition of complexity Trying to ascertain in Sydney the status of the Richmond River in Northern Rivers region of NSW. bah!

Are these any help?[7][8][9][10] --Melburnian (talk) 05:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Gnomes

Lest you think I was insulting anyone: "A WikiGnome is a wiki user who makes useful incremental edits without clamouring for attention." Hesperian 13:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree - I use them a lot for subproject stuff, especially the state-based projects. Orderinchaos 13:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Anna

I'm sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. Are you sure you got the right talk page? J Milburn (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The article said she had died when I reached it- I didn't add any information, I just cleaned the article a little. J Milburn (talk) 17:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:EiA

Gday, im curious as to this edit. The article is in Category:Railway museums in Australia, which is clearly within the scope of WP:EiA, which is made clear on the main page of the project. Weve discussed similar matters to this before, and we both remember the outcome of that. Thanks Twenty Years 17:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Museums are educational. this a railways museum, which is also educational. The article is clearly defined as within the scope of the project, as it is in Category:Education in Australia. Basically our last discusion was that until such time as a WP:Australian Culture (or something like that) pops up, the articles will be in EiA. Thanks. Twenty Years 17:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Either the article is in the wrong category, and as such shouldnt be part of the projects scope, or its in the right category, and therefore is in the projects scope. Which one is it? Twenty Years 17:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

So its not a museum, so it shouldnt be in that category, so its not part of the project. Problem solvered. Sent an email. Twenty Years 18:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

what about the heat

Mugged by George Street, you don't want that! Take care in future. cygnis insignis 23:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Cats

Dunno. What happened? —Moondyne 01:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well since you went AWOL, someone had to do it. —Moondyne 01:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How long are you there for? I'm going over next Tuesday/Wednesday. If you're still around you can buy me a coffee. —Moondyne 01:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I'll be in and out of Sydney as quick as I can. —Moondyne 13:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

1897 Christmas Number

The 1897 Christmas Number is extra extra special because it contains Siebenhaar's translation of Pelsart's Ongeluckige Voyagie, van't Schip Batavia, which is still the only English translation of that document. I'm planning to visit Alexander some time in the next week or so, for reasons unrelated to Wikipedia, and I thought I might use the opportunity to drop into the Battye microform and grab a copy of it, for Wikisource transclusion. When I tried to web up the precise details, i.e. issue and page numbers, Google turned up this mighty fine page. Hesperian 02:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Mmm, nice. —Moondyne 07:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

request

Sir are you able to go gmail have an image request, during your walkabout Gnangarra 12:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

WAGR X class

Hello SatuSuro, your suggestion about the template for the WAGR locos is an excellent idea, it would allow the specifications etc. of each loco to be better presented. Also it would be nice to have some extra photos of the WAGR X class locos posted on the page if you have some.(A. Carty (talk) 13:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC))

David McComb

Have already included a reference to the Sydney Festival event in The Triffids article but if you able to source any additional material then that would be great. Dan arndt (talk) 04:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutely

Excuse the lack of reply. I must check ↑ later, I never thought to look for his article. Re. history of cats: funny if it wasn't true, the absolute view of educated thugs. Certainly a prescription for WP:Righteous indignation, a page we can do without. I will send you an update of my current reading, which is also regarding categories, when I find the beginning of it! The person with the answer to that is unresponsive lately, perhaps he is waiting to see what I decide is the solution - so he can tell me why I'm wrong :-) ... I will spam your email with the details one day. regardening cygnis insignis 07:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

WAGR locomotives

Hello SatuSuro, you are right about the need for additional published sources for the locomotive articles. The only information I have on WAGR locos is derived from web sites. Regards (A. Carty (talk) 12:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC))

Indonesian tables

Think I fixed them. Someone had put rowspan=2 on each of the headings for some reason. Orderinchaos 09:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

tum tum trees

AH, that coffee will need to be an urn of ~ I will need to relate my tales of Bedlam. Not another state, of conciousness or otherwise, but another country. My solace is in the circinate style of an exquisitely flowered genus, and I don't even know what circinate means!? As soon as I find out though, I will start affecting a circinate style meself, it is sure to make an impression. Beware of the Carrolian flora and fauna, and keep your vorpal arms clasped in, er.., hand, so I might hear of your tales from the far-east. ^Marco! _Polo! cygnis insignis 08:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
		for your efforts with Australian articles Gnangarra 23:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

i know, i know ..,

A new mess. from cygnis insignis @ 09:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC):

Nine: itch nicked ion frogger off tree greens - nu? I expect they are the same as mine, I have to shuffle my feet in the garden. Blad you are gack. No mail for a wee week, but I tend to make myself answerable to the mob. Speaking of which ...

Swampy bark paper

Ta muchly, I will 'ave a squiz. I don't like red this year, so I'm stubbing them for random fact adding when I have the ref neatly curled up in a template and the infromashun already converted from a potential copyvio into a mish sham of word jumbling and typos and lack of polite commation and periodation or hyphenation - GFDL compliant - I figure this will be more efficient. This is all leading to, and this will interest you as you are one of the many on this project, a Lake Monger edit. And to think I used to ride by at night! I coud hab bin snared by some snarky lake-mongster ... do i have to sign this. Yes, cygnis insignis 14:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Girimulya Surakarta

Is actually a section within/ie inside the imogiri graveyard and as such does not constitute a separate graveyard SatuSuro 07:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed the category of this cemetery to a more specfic one from Category:Cemeteries to Category:Cemeteries in Indonesia. I have no problem eliminating the cemeteries category alltogether for this article, but don't think it should be listed in the higher level Category:Cemeteries when a more specefic one exists. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 12:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, Thanks. Good luck with the article. FieldMarine (talk) 12:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian Revolution of 1998

What do you think of this title? I must say, I've never despised it, but it does seem a little odd. What about Downfall of Suharto or Resignation of Suharto? I think Transition from the new order is not quite right (a bit optimistic!). On for the Indonesia project page? hmmm. --Merbabu (talk) 12:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never liked this title either. It's all a bit Marxist-history-sounding. However, if we want to go too far down that road, was the Russian Revolution really one? I'd vote for Downfall of Suharto. Davidelit (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I would support david's downfall of suharto - good one SatuSuro 13:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, so Downfall of Suharto seems to be the favourite. Gnangarra suggested the similar Fall of Suharto. Can we exclude Resignation of Suharto, and would mentioning the New Order be a misnomer? Ie, elements of the New Order are arguably still intact. What's the next step? Put it on the existing article talk page with a note on the project noticeboard? --Merbabu (talk) 13:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Nullabor

I don't think it matters too much which one we use, as long as we have a disambig page and try to be consistent. Nullarbor does seem to have the most widespread useage. —Moondyne 01:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

A quick Googlesearch gave me this —Moondyne 01:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Signing?

Matur Nuwun Pak Suro. I think I've got the hang of it now- like this?Starstylers (talk) 10:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hotel Majapahit

Nice find. I've actually been there - but not stayed, in 1998. I should have a free domain photo or something. Also, it's a very nice (but expensive book) used for the references. --Merbabu (talk) 12:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been on WP say 18 months, and I really regret not cleaning up the Suharto article earlier. It's kinda too late now. I bet half the reporting came out of that article in the last few days - it will be a long time before WP:INA gets an article with such world focus again. Would have made a nice FA to show the world. --Merbabu (talk) 12:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: "Perthian"

I notice you removed "Perthian" from Perth, Western Australia. My personal favourite name for a Perth resident (which I have shamelessly stolen from Inside Cover in The West) is "Perthling". I hope that if I use it in general conversation enough, I will start a trend. :) - Mark 08:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

A well known Perthonality, for the local celebrities. cygnis insignis 09:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Astana Giribangun

No probs- must have been getting tired. Thanks for handy hints- will stick to it. Pls- no apologies for "pedantics"- I need to learn the proper correct layouts. Sorry- will fix it all soon. Sampai jumpa Starstylers (talk) 11:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

path

There is a water path nearby, where those Drosera are, luxurious conditions. Better than a sand dune with termites for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They (der frokkies) are saying, "come and eat me, so that I can fill the night with my childlike screams". cygnis insignis 23:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Anna Livia Julian Brawn

Can you come back and help with the article. Thanks.Wjhonson (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

• There are currently no known hindrances to replies here - cheers

Further reading

That's interesting. I wonder why someone would translate and publish the Batavia journals in '98, when Drok had already translated them, and Drake-Brockman published them, in '63. I wonder was Drok's translation not considered adequate? Hesperian 12:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Nedlands

Yeah I didn't worry too much about the wording, my plan is to rewrite all the electorate articles before the 09 State election. It's happening slowly... (have a look at Electoral district of Perth for the first cab off the rank) Orderinchaos 08:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Heritage railway category, etc.

Hi SatuSoro - I haven't finished recategorizing all of the tourist lines and/or heritage railways from the past few days. I've largely been going through Category:Transport museums and Category:Heritage railways to ensure that any rail-specific venues with museum components are added to their respective national category for railway museums. My next step is to identify the ones which are tourist railways and those which are heritage railways (or both) and create categories for these by country, which can collectively be placed under a railway preservation or railway museum or railway company category. A big challenge will be to split out Australian, Canadian and U.S. articles with categories under their respective state/province. Hopefully things will be straightened out in a few more days. Cheers, Plasma east (talk) 11:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Another rag

You'd be interested in that. —Moondyne 10:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

coordinator election

The Wikiproject History is going to elect 3 coordinators. As a member you are invited to participate. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hati-hati?

I am Indonesian. I speak in Indonesian everyday. I don't understand what you mean with "hati-hati". Are you Indonesian?Mfa fariz (talk) 02:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you so much for your help. do you have a yahoo or msn id? Maybe we can talk with messenger. It's hard for me to write a message every time i need your help. You can add me add mfa_fariz@yahoo.com or mfa_fariz@hotmail.com.Mfa fariz (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Favour?

Was this favour from a dung beetle photo? That's the only thing that comes to my mind... Maybe it was something else, doesn't really matter. Thanks for the welcome back. --liquidGhoul (talk) 12:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, cool I don't really remember that. Was I able to ID them? --liquidGhoul (talk) 12:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Railways on the West Coast of Tasmania

Thank you, glad it was useful. Biscuittin (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

ta

I didn't want to get to deep into tory humour, but I will have a go at tidying it one day. cygnis insignis 07:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the greeting. I'm still around, although not very active on Wiki lately due to other interests and commitments. I'll keep looking in from time to time. Cheers, Zamphuor (talk) 11:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Nullarbor karst

Here are a couple of authoritative online government pubs that state the Nullarbor as being either the largest, or one of the largest areas of karst limestone on earth. http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA1957.pdf (for full ref see: http://www.ga.gov.au/urban/projects/nrap/perth.jsp) http://www.anra.gov.au/topics/vegetation/assessment/sa/ibra-nullarbor.html

Hope this is useful, cheers, Zamphuor (talk) 14:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Highway Interchanges

Hello again SatuSuro. Have just created Kingston Interchange and Lindisfarne Interchange. I would like to display coordinates on both pages so viewers can see interchanges first hand. Have coordinates from GoogleEarth but haven't a clue how to display them on the page without a Navigational Tab. Can you Offer Some Advice? Thanks mate Wiki ian 14:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Satusuro. Minutes after writing you that msg Orderinchaos wrote to me and told me how to write the coordinates in. As I got a reply back so quick, i assumed Orderinchaos was you logged in another name, thats why i didn't write back sooner to cancel the request. Sorry for wasting your time mate. Wiki ian 23:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for page deletion

Hello again SatuSuro, When first making the Kingston Interchange article, i made the mistake of mispelling it as Kingston Intechange. I have since moved the page to the correct spelling, but feel Wikipedia has no use for this poorly spelt redirect. How does one go about getting the old page deleted? Wiki ian 02:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Redirect deleted. —Moondyne 02:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: problem

The referencing style I'm using is just listing the name of the author and the year of publishing in each inline cite (in the notes section) with the 'references' containing the full bibliographical details. I personally don't like 'further reading' sections as they can turn into book spam, but certainly won't mind if you'd like to revert me and add such a section. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've just reverted myself. All those books I removed are standard and well regarded works on Australia in WW2, so I guess that having them there doesn't do too much damage. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

There's a few snippets in there for sure. Good work. —Moondyne click here! 00:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

puck

Someone has pricked my pomposity and bombarded my bombast, I must away to see them brought to rights in a forum of my own judgement and unreasonably aborisolute\indigenant statements... But LO! What curliness has this idle chatter of puck soppets, I must be on the wrong side of our document - again. Or as one of my or-tistic pals would have it: "Again! again". I forget myself, these pages are for the improv of the document: If you find any new contributions, remember that we are in a recession and required to to apply environmentalistic conservatism: Refuse, Reuse, and Recycle. Help stop global warning! cygnis insignis 06:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Seaforth Mackenzie (author)

Gday, note you added him to the alumni for GGS. Is there a reference for that? Twenty Years 07:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[11] —Moondyne click! 07:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Very nice work on GGS Chapel, seems quite an interesting building, might have to go up there and take some pics one day. Twenty Years 16:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Found a couple of Aquinas in 1938 and 1949. Got a few of the Edmund Rice Administration Wing, from its early days. Got pics of almost everything in the Aquinas chapel, just havent uploaded them all as yet. Would have a clue what the problem is, i have poor english and dont know architecture one bit. Twenty Years 10:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Oz amphibs

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. I think there's a spelling mistake(s) in your last sentence, and I can't pick up what it's meant to say. --liquidGhoul (talk) 12:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Ohh, sorry I just got it. Didn't realise "arts" was articles. I'll have a look at some articles over the next week. I'm pretty busy at the moment, but should be able to get some references in the higher profile species articles (at least what I think are higher profile). Thanks. --liquidGhoul (talk) 12:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hobart landmarks

inspired by Template:Sydney landmarks i created this template. very worried I've missed landmarks, can you think of any? Didn't quite follow ur last msg sorry..... what should i be putting into entertainment? thanks SatuSuro, Wiki ian 11:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hobart International Airport

Hello again SatuSuro. Could you take a look at the Hobart Airport article and tell me if you think it still qualifies as a start class page? If so could you provide some tips on how to get it up to a B class standard? Kind regards, Wiki ian 00:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you refer me to a wiki help page that talks about columns? having trouble finding any. regards, Wiki ian 10:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I've created a draft of the intro located on my Sandbox. Please tell me what you think. Regards, Wiki ian 11:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you like the region image for the airport? what else needs attention on the article? Cheers, Wiki ian 07:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Deserts

What is it with them? I can't understand why they are such a favourite of the vandals? Hesperian 23:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Estelle Blackburn

I refer you to the comment I made on your "Cleanup" post. Your advice is redundant. Retarius | Talk 04:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I started the article in mainspace because I thought I wouldn't be in anyone's way - the article has been a very-neglected red link for years and it seemed pointless to start a subpage. I thought I could tinker with it at my leisure over weeks or months (Half-a-King, Ha!). Since then it's become Piccadilly Circus. I was ambushed by the subject of the article within a few days and I've been walking a fine line on not distressing her and striving for verifiable accuracy. The CV she provided to me will (of course) fail the original research test...good luck to me in looking for other sources. How did anyone even discover the page? Perhaps because I fixed the broken links on John Button etc.? I think I'd better undo them until the article is kosher. I prefer to locate discussions on one talk page: If you want to converse further, let's do so on my page, as that's where we started. Retarius | Talk 05:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Surfing

I agree it probably should have its own section - but the section was empty and I don't know enough about it to do it justice! -- Chuq (talk) 09:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WA Media Awards

Yes I'm still here :-) PLease do fix up my start. I'll put a cite in now. I still have some other infor to add - do with it what you think best Davidcohen (talk) 09:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they have similar awards in SA, Tassie and Queensland. And of course the Walkleys are the national ones. I see there's a Wikipedia entry for the Queensland ones. By the way, will you have a look at a new entry I created, on Liz Byrski? I did it after asking her for her CV, which she sent me. What do you think? Davidcohen (talk) 08:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

what what what? you're so mysterious. what about 1100 on Thursday? where in the CBD? Davidcohen (talk) 01:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm doing the rounds of the local libraries at the moment. Seems every council bought a couple of random books. I'm getting there slowly though. —Moondyne click! 00:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC) I'd forgotten about Des Dans!. —Moondyne click! 00:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Lists

No worries, I only realised recently that lists could be dealt with so easily.--Grahame (talk) 14:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Questions

Hi and thank you, I was wondering for a while if my changes to some entries were acceptable or not. I just had a quick question, if you find a picture of a building online, what are you rights to using it on Wikipedia? A issue I'm having [as you can probably guess from talk page] is that when I create entries on Indonesian Buildings, there are pictures online but I don't have any. [I also can't take any pictures since I don't live in Indonesia]. Should I use the pictures I find online or just not use it on Wikipedia? Thanks! Mwidjaja1 (talk) 02:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• It's ok, thank you for your help though! I appreciate it Mwidjaja1 (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

US Bases in Australia

No, I haven't seen any articles on that topic. There are a handful of articles on USAAF bases in the Northern Territory and the Sydney region, but nothing on the US Army or Navy in Australia that I know of. --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a Battle of Brisbane article --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian schools

In my experiences, List of schools turn out very poorly, the only good example of it is List of schools in New South Wales. The only way to have a list of Indonesian schools is to have it broken down into provinces. But at this stage, it seems like there arent many articles on schools in Indonesia, so any list of schools in Indonesia, or an indonesian province will just be riddled with red links.

I think the best option in the short term is to use categories, once a large-ish number of schools articles have been made, start making provincial lists. Twenty Years 12:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops...

sorry. did not realised if sub-category caused duplicate. I'll revert the other changes I'll revert similar changes that I made to the other page.--w_tanoto (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Nope. I did Leo Soekoto as well. Reverted it back. --w_tanoto (talk) 00:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
goodness. that article you mentioned looks terrible. I don't even know those denominations mentioned. I know I translated Leo Soekoto from Indonesian wikipedia, but I also looked at the external source provided to confirm the reliability of that article first before making my move and translate it. Would be helpful for me if you can just re-check it (I am no good at English words related to religion). I definitely can't improve the article you mentioned (as I am not Protestant, though my father and his family is).--w_tanoto (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

GGS Alumni

My personal feeling with this sort of thing, is that if the person is clearly notable, and someone just hasnt gotten round to writing an article on him/her then a reference must be provided along with the redlink to prove that they are both notable, and went to the school. Until such time, it is very reasonable to presume that the person is not-notable, and the edit can be reverted. Twenty Years 10:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Left a note on the talk page of the user who added him. There didnt seem to be much on the web about him, although i did see he was a aria award winner. Supposedly WP:MUSIC has pretty low standard to notability, so he might meet them, im not too sure. Cheers. Twenty Years 10:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This seems like a decent list, might write some articles there, providing they clearly meet N, dont want to go through the whole Aquinas alumni deletions like happened back in the old days. Thanks. Twenty Years 10:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Javanese literature

OK, I am sorry, I will add some more on Javanese literature one of these days :-) I think Caraka still exists, I'll ask Drs. Ignatius Supriyanto, he is the one responsible for it. Meursault2004 (talk) 13:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Haha I haven't started yet ... Meursault2004 (talk) 13:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I can tell you that there were some troubles with the department ... I am not able to tell it here. Furthermore some lecturers left recently. BTW I just added some text almost verbatim from Pigeaud (1967) to Javanese literature. Please look at it. So it needs retouching a bit. Some years ago I wrote the same article in Dutch nl:Javaanse literature, so I think I will add some from the Dutch article. Meursault2004 (talk) 13:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I hope you do that ... just spotted some mistakes. Meursault2004 (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ocean project

Working on the banner today or tomorrow. When that's accomplished, I'll probably start spamming it all over the place, and, with any luck, we'll have a reasonable start to the project. John Carter (talk) 14:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

One option is to broaden the scope to all the major bodies of water, including seas. In fact, personally, I always more or less thought that was going to be what the project would be about, given the vagueness of boundaries. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of a single word which would include both, so used the "bigger" word only. Certainly, the name or scope could be changed to expand to include "seas" as well. John Carter (talk) 14:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Javanese literature

Yes I suppose so, as it comes from the intro of Pigeaud's Literature of Java. Meursault2004 (talk) 10:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Railways

Are we talking about Wikipedia? I do occasionally dable in rail articles. What do you have in mind?--Grahame (talk) 12:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Tasmania

Seems like far too much detail for this article, but probably grew as a response to our friend. Don't know how anybody can estimate numbers at this time, but the claim should be sourced either way. --Michael Johnson (talk) 02:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Dab pages with photos

• Mulga
• Ian Macdonald (people seem to be always confusing them)--Grahame (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

AWB

OK I may have seen so much of my watch list pass with your hard work across my screen for a however long -and I wonder why bother do the Australian project stub replacement - and the importance is left dangling empty - it seems plain old stubs actually require human intervention - as there is still the importance assessment to go through - or am I missing something? cheers - I may well have misunderstood something - maybe SatuSuro 11:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm thinking differently about this here. The rating (as a stub or otherwise) is largely able to be automated (particularly for the stubs) and is fairly uncontroversial. I've been seeking for a while to zero out Category:Unassessed Australia articles and it's subcats, as unless the list is reduced from the 7500+ it was not long ago assessment will never happen (perhaps I'm an order nut as well). As for the importance I've avoided this for two reasons: It needs human assessment (particularly as a stub is a stub but a high importance Adelaide article may have low Australia importance....this requires knowledgeable thinking) and I've seen unhappiness here in the past over importance assessment. Very few arguments with assessing someones article as a stub/start/B etc... as there is a set of criteria but slapping "Low" importance can raise hackles. As for hard work...hardly... writing a product FMEA report with this ticking in the fore/background is more relaxing than otherwise.- Peripitus (Talk) 11:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

My mbarrasment - I understand your logic - at least it gets that part fixed and at least we agree a notion of thought is required for the imp part - sorry to have intruded - seem to be getting me knots tangle today - thanks for your humane response - please next time shoot! :) SatuSuro 12:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem - It's good to have people asking questions about large scale changes...they're a pain to undo if you get it wrong. Happy Editing - Peripitus (Talk) 22:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Tasmanian politicians

Thanks for your comment, Tasmanian politics is a much-neglected area on Wikipedia, and even a lot of the Premier articles were "So-and-so was the Premier of Tasmania from date to date." I do what I can with Tassie articles, and you're right, so many Tasmanians in Melbourne! I don't really have access to Tasmanian books and documents except on trips home, so I generally take my laptop along to the Tasmaniana Library for a day to work on articles like Tasmania Police. --Canley (talk) 04:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

edit conflict

Hi Tom. After me not editing much lately, I managed an edit conflict with you over Rabbit Flat, Northern Territory. I think your main contribution was adding a section, which I've kept. Could you please check and correct if I inadvertently undid anything you had changed, as my copyedit ranged over the whole page, and I just added what I think was your bit to what I'd already changed. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries - I'd made all my changes (including fomratting and combining the references) without discovering the edit conflict, so when I did, I just copied your new paragraph into "my" version, then copied "my" version over the "current" version - that's why I wanted to make sure I hadn't inadvertently removed something else you'd fixed. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Begitu...

Bner juga *15:25, 29 Januari 2008 (versi) (beda) User talk:Merbabu (→U2 FAC Success!!!!: congrats !!) Fajar adi buana (talk) 02:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Avon

No worries - is confusing given the Avon Valley region here (strangely there's never been a Shire of Avon in WA... I did check for disambig purposes) Orderinchaos 13:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Javanese Wikipedia

Hello, I just started Javanese Wikipedia. But unfortunately there is a user called Lankiveil who thiinks it is not notable. Can you help please? Thanks. Meursault2004 (talk) 18:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ya soalnya artikel ini tidak lebih "jelek" atau kurang dari artikel-artikel lainnya mengenai Wikipedia ... Meursault2004 (talk) 00:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Userpage revert

Thanks for the late night (early for you) userpage cleanup. I had a time of it earlier fending off the fodder :) -- Longhair\^talk 21:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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Javanese Wikipedia

Hi SatuSoro, I have responded to your comments on the article's talk page. Cheers, Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC).

Reversion of your twinkling

Hi. I reverted your anti-vandalism edits on one page. I've discussed it on the article's talk page. Thanks, Andjam (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

For reverting the vandalism on my page. Thats what happens when you walk away for an hour. —Moondyne click! 04:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

My email

My email is down at the moment mate. I undergoing a major change in the setup around home/office and the domain delegation hasn't taken effect yet. It'll be back online in the morning. If it can wait, resend then please. -- Longhair\^talk 11:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing in the closet :) Nice work. I look forward to the timely release. Maybe now would be a good time so we can all assist? -- Longhair\^talk 11:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed 1987 was the topic, not 1983. Surely 1983 deserves a better effort than that currently in place? -- Longhair\^talk 11:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I said to myself 2008 was going to be the year I got organised... it's still happening, 3 months in. I'll get there. -- Longhair\^talk 11:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

re jervis bay

Hi satu

my changes were reject, I guess because they were perceived to advertising.

This not so Tourism Jervis Bay is a no profit incorporated body of 147 members who’s only aim is to promote Jervis Bay

Jervis Bay Promotions Inc - Tourism Jervis Bay Mission Statement 1. To promote Jervis Bay as Significant natural attraction to the world. 2. To promote Jervis Bay and it's tourism infrastructure as a holiday destination to the world. 3. To promote Jervis Bay Promotions Inc - Tourism Jervis Bay using the media tools of the WWW 4. The organization is to be operated by the members. All decision require majority support of membership. 5. To encourage and support new business and projects that will increase tourism visitation to Jervis Bay. 6. To co-operate with other regional, state and national tourism bodies to promote Jervis Bay.

we are no different to Jervis Bay Tourism which is listed as an external link.

As is the Shoalhaven Councils tourism web page shoalahvenholidays.com.au.

Some of the infromation on this page is incorect and we have edited to be correct.

If you would like more detais please feel to contact me

Tourismjervisbay (talk) 21:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Eucalyptus globulus

Hi SatuSuro! Sorry that I edited without putting edit summaries or talk page comments. Now the information in the Eucalyptus globulus page is related to only one of four subspecies of E. globulus: Eucalyptus globulus subsp. globulus. E. maidenii and E. bicostata are not in the list in the List of Eucalyptus species page, and therefore I drew conclusions they are considered subspecies of E. globulus in Wikipedia. I then created a new page for subsp. globulus and moved the content from the Eucalyptus globulus page there. But now I see Eucalyptus pseudoglobulus is in the List of Eucalyptus species page, and we should perhaps add E. maidenii and E. bicostata there. So, I edited without reading Wikipedia content good enough. Sorry! Krasanen (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Even more than deserts

Per our previous discussion, do you know what gets vandalised even more than deserts? Penguins! I've had all nine penguin species on my watchlist for a while now, and jeez they take a hammering. Hesperian 12:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

East Timor

Sorry, I'm a bit confused, which, in all honesty, is kind of my default state. Were you requesting that the Melanesia banner be adjusted to be able to give categories a "null" importance ranking? There already are "Category" and "NA" classes built into the class parameters. John Carter (talk) 13:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a Wikipedia:WikiProject East Timor, but that project, and most of the rest of the projects about Melanesia, use the Template:WikiProject Melanesia, which is equipped to provide separate assessments for each of the projects for almost all assessment grades, though I don't think yet all, like redirects for instance. John Carter (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't aware you were interested aware East Timor. I guess its pretty close to Australia though ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

So what are you then Singaporean-Australian? or just an Aussie you lived in Singapore for some years? By your user name I would have assumed you were Japanese or something. By the haircut I take it you mean the cat?? lol or do you mean the baldness that is blofeld himself? My or my thats quite a short haircut!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sheeks! I haven't had the clippers since I was about fourteen when I used to have the short back and sides -a 0.5 I think -hard man style. The sound of them still haunts me! These days I prefer my hair longer and more bouffed. It must be freezing in the winter with a baldy, but it is very hot at present in Aus isn't it as it is your summer/autumn ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Phew thats scorching!!!! The last week or so it has been 11 celsius in the UK! It rarely gets above 25 in the summer although it can push 30 c on the heat wave days. Usually about 22 celsius in our summer is average I think. I forget just how hot Australia is during your summer. I know Melbourne can get quite cold in your winter though as I have an aunty and uncle living there. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries

No worries, whenever you are ready. My talkpage is always open =). Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC).

Eucalyptus globulus II

For current taxonomic information there are good Plant Checklists online:

• http://www.anbg.gov.au/chah/apc/index.html - Australian Plant Census
• http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/floraonline.htm - Flora of New South Wales
• http://www.flora.sa.gov.au/census.html - Electronic Flora of South Australia
• http://www.rbg.vic.gov.au/dbpages/viclist/cd/ - A Census of the Vascular Plants of Victoria
• http://www.tmag.tas.gov.au/Herbarium/Herbarium2.htm - Tasmanian Herbarium

The problem is that different herbaria have often different opinions about the status of a given taxon. In the case of E. globulus, NSW says the four taxa are distinct species, but all the others of the references above say they are subspecies of E. globulus. I suggest Wikipedia could adopt the opinion of NSW, just because it is easier (fewer articles needed), and each article could contain some mention like "some botanists consider this taxon a subspecies of E. globulus". But I think something should be done: now the four taxa are considered distinct species in Eucalyptus globulus, subspecies in Blue Gum, and List of Eucalyptus species contain E. globulus and E. pseudoglobulus but not E. bicostata and E. maidenii. In the case you think it is okay, I can make stubs for the missing three taxa and needed editing for the remaining articles. Eucalyptus globulus would need only one addition: "E. bicostata, E. maidenii, and E. pseudoglobulus are included in E. globulus as subspecies by many botanists.", or something like that. Krasanen (talk) 17:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Detailed editing

Thanks for your helpful and positive comments. On "Towns in Tasmania", please could you try to put Grindelwald under "G". I can't work out how to - and don't really need to know how. Two other points on Australian geographical pages: if I find an unlinked mention of CBD, I add a link, as the abbreviation doesn't mean much to (for example) readers in the UK. References to "bush" or "bushland" - whilst they're perhaps more widely known - also, it seems to me, benefit from a link. NinetyCharacters (talk) 20:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Tassie Mountains

Cheers for the comments. I like the fact we seem to get a lot more collaboration without edit wars on Tassie stuff, however with a lot less editors interested it seems to take us longer to develop articles to a good standard... Re ref's, unfortunately as I am located in London there isn't too much I can dig up other than via the web. I imagine there are probably some good books in State Library of Tas, but can't get down there. My specific knowledge of the Central Highlands pretty much comes from when my Dad used to take me on fishing trips up in the Lakes such as Bronte Lagoon, Brady's Lake, Lake Echo etc... and we used to go on little history trips to all the old Hydro sites. I was fascinated by the dams, canals, penstocks and tailpipes. Other than being a great fisherman, he used to fly helicoptors for the Hydro during the great building phases of the 50's-60's. I agree totally about the 'ecological/mountain/geography' stuff, and it needs more. I will look into it, but unfortunately my knowledge is more historical than scientific. I was motivated to do the mountain list because before I started it, there was basically only articls about Cradle, Mt.Wellington and Ben Lomond, and as anyone who has ever been to Tassie knows, they are such an important part of the island. Robert Fleming (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well my main interest is Tasmanian history, and I periodically try to go back and turn stubs into longer articles. However in the fine tradition of Wikipedia I keep getting distracted by other projects! Mostly military history and cricket. You can see my list here: [12]. As you noticed I am on the milhist wikiproject - I try to keep it to colonial stuff as that is my primary interest, but have also done an article on Korea recently. Check out Hobart coastal defences, I pretty much wrote it all, and it got GA so I was very happy about that! Robert Fleming (talk) 14:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Heaven's Army

Hi there, sorry for not replying earlier i don't usually check my talk page anyways just talk to me anytime u have a problem don't hold back so yea talkpage always open i think lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 23:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, how do you suggest of displaying the reference? It's open to changes just not the table lol it took me ages to find all the info and it would be ashamed that all my work will be deleted after all that time and effort =( i mean u can change it just not delete it lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 08:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you show me an example? it would be great terima kasih =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 10:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol =D i got burnt by the sinebot i'm so new to this, it was much easier before i created my account, anyways i'm going to sleep by the way where are you from? --Heaven's Army (talk) 13:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

One more thing before i go to sleep how exactly do you add pictures on to pages?--Heaven's Army (talk) 13:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol that long u say? well couldn't u rather just give me a shorten version? or preferably a short cut?--Heaven's Army (talk) 13:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm....i've got an account hence my name...--Heaven's Army (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol i know about copyright issues :D but i took those photos my self anyways yay =) --Heaven's Army (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok but the article Hari Yang Cerah was just made out of my head and the album tracks from the back of the actual album lol so do is till need tags and stuff like that oh and btw i didn't create yogyakarta is south of merapi and magelang is west of merbabu' - that is in seconds flat! kalau saya mengerti dari foto rumah keluarga tak jauh dari salatiga?--Heaven's Army (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol disregard my last commnet i just properly read ur comment sorry....i do that alot.... anyways yogyakarta is south of merapi and magelang is west of merbabu i really didn't create that though but yes my house isn't far from saltiga lol my picture in mount merbabu got deleted =(

Jlong2008

I was thinking about starting again - i thought of making station signs like they do on the sydney and brisbane ststions... is that a good idea? or not?--Jlong2008 (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Station Upgrades

Midland and Claremont include information about their upgrade plans. Kelmscott and bassendean inclued their upgrade works. References and proper spelling, english, basic material and links included. It is relevant information.--Jlong2008 (talk) 03:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed

I changed allanah's name on the Bassendean railway station, Perth page.--Jlong2008 (talk) 03:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Elvis, gastros and eucs

Not sighting Elvis at this time of year is probably a good thing. I'm missing the WA wildflower season when Commons uploading gets a workout, hope we get some more Gastrolobium photos next spring. Re "Some eucalypts are abysmal" - don't be so harsh on our flora ;) --Melburnian (talk) 07:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I've got to say that that article is pretty good for a stub, it has a map, a photo, detailed information and is referenced. Idealy it would include that the species is endemic to New South Wales, then again after a (very cursory) search, I can't find a ref that says it is.-- Melburnian (talk) 08:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kormoran

I just saw it an am updating the Search for HMAS Sydney and HSK Kormoran article. --Nick Dowling (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's very exciting. Hopefully Sydney will be discovered soon. --Nick Dowling (talk) 03:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Ghan Page

Howdy

Thanks for the comments re my edits to the Ghan page - I have added some discussion regards the contents, but have still had the suggestions ignored. So, I have not bothered any further. I did include a reference regards the naming of the train, and suggested that it should differentiate between the train and the railway. the two railways are well covered elsewhere. (Sulzer55 (talk) 09:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC))

Geo-cleanup

Hello. Thanks for watching it, no problem. I am not good in adding WikiProject templates, so excuse me for that. I try to clean up Australian geo articles/categorization scheme, because it is sometimes turning into a mess. - Darwinek (talk) 11:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

No offence taken, no problem. :) Cheers. - Darwinek (talk) 11:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

No problems

Got to tag it for EiA, so all the happier. Twenty Years 14:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Tullah, Tasmania

I've accepted (see note 1) your challenge to improve the above. I have, unavoidably, probably offended the local providers of accommodation. I cited C.J. Dennison's book with reservations - his standards of accuracy could be higher, & he quotes no sources. (see note 2)

Note 1: with some misgivings: (a) like you, I'm very "easily distracted" (b) when I come across pages with large non-encyclopaedic (but often well-meaning) elements, or long sections by people trying to publicise their local hotel/sports team, etc, I usually move swiftly on!

Note 2: he may have consulted a small booklet entitled A Record of Tasmanian Nomenclature with Dates and Origins, compiled by J. Moore-Robinson, Hobart: Mercury Printing Office, 1911. The Tasmaniana room of the State Library in Hobart had in 1997 a very fragile bound copy. The library also has/had the Taylor Manuscript, a 2-volume compilation of about 600 pages done on computer in 1993 by John Taylor & Wayne Smith. It includes all geographical features & street names, but many entries are very brief & some are without explanation.

As you may possibly have noticed, I've created very few pages (about 5, I think). I'm about to do one for Ceratodus (Qld), one of Australia's more bizarre/intriguing place names. But I've no real interest in creating templates, or learning how to. So if you (or someone reading this) can add those, it would be helpful.

A place in Tasmania (I'm sure there are lots) that ought to have a page is Marrawah. I was there in 1997 but - apart from referring to Dennison & adding that its PO opened in 1897 & had in 1997 an attractive pictorial postmark - I couldn't say much about it. NinetyCharacters (talk) 17:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!

You have no idea how much i laughed when I read that award!!! Viva Tasmania! Meow meow - purr purr (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The 'Cup is up

At last. —Moondyne click! 13:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Gee whiz, Satu.

Hey mon, your points (along with Merbabu's) are not unreasonable. Au contraire: they fit solidly into "reasonable" discourse--that epistemological tradition of the West which subscribe to certain truth-producing conventions. "Accepted" by "leading scholars" , blah blah blah. OK--well, I resort to the same gimicks to get rid of an editor who doesn't know what she's talking about and I also feel that there is some legitimacy to referring to a consensus. If someone wants to edit pages, claiming that the Earth is flat, I'd resort to the same logic you employ. I'd politely ask them to take their sources and their wacko notions and go to a chat room somewhere.

On the other hand, debates such as those about the ontological production of "Indonesia," can produce a NEW consensus. Clearly I haven't won over you and Merb., but that's okay. I can stake my claim. That's how knowledge gets modified and updated, eh whot? I mean, if this WP page was being written 50 years ago the people who deigned to question White man's burden would be the freaks going against "reason" and "consensus" and "leading scholars." I'm sure you see my point, Satu: you're one of the smartest editors on this thing we call WP.

But why tell me to stuff it and write a book/article? I mean, WP is a democratic forum. Using the iron gauntlets of convention and "POV" and "political correctness" (trump card of the conservative White men) just squanders the potential development of WP. AND, more importantly, it conceals the POV of one's own approach.

I'm certainly not accusing you of any dubious motives: only pointing out that you are occupying a position in a long intellectual trajectory--one associated with empire, patriarchy, White man's burden, and so forth. I.e., the very same notions of objectivity and reason were used by the Dutch (and the Japanese) to subjugate the peoples of the Indies.

On the one hand we want to create/edit useful articles which can help trace, let's say, the influence of "Islam" in "Indonesia," and on the other hand we don't want to naturalize and reify concepts which have a troubled and ideological existence. The first point is where we all agree, the 2nd point is the existence of a problem in WP which you seem to deny. But, as always, your remarks bring a smile. Smilo Don (talk) 15:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Quite right quite right

I AM very very bad with referencing! How about this: I will stop adding material until I reference what I've put there. Jeez! Some academic I am! Thanks for the reminder..... :) Meow meow - purr purr (talk) 07:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle tool

Thanks for the note, I have been trying it out and if I have any questions, I'll be sure to give you a hoy. --Roisterer (talk) 10:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

MWU

Hi SatuSuro, thanks for the query on my talk page. MWU stands for "Mass Wiki Update". Its a tool I wrote to help with making large-scale changes to articles. Its somewhat similar to AWB. In this case, I'm using it to update the rail gauge templates to the new {{RailGauge}} format, as discussed on the Trains Project. Best, Gwernol 00:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

You rang?

This is Satu Suros talk page - please leave your message here:-

Hey, you're quick - thanks for the greeting, and I hope all is excellent with you. We're now living in the south west, very busy with farmlet and new job, so I don't get here very often. Recently had a subsidised satellite dish installed for internet - been offline at home since leaving Perth 8 or 9 months ago. It ain't ADSL, but it's usable, so I'll do a bit more editing as the weekends get wetter.

All the best, Callophylla (talk) 07:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

You traitor...

[13] --Merbabu (talk) 03:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

MWU Barnstar

Hi again SatuSuro and many thanks for the barnstar you very kindly gave me. I am honored to receive it. Best, Gwernol 11:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Dann's Dinosaurs

No problem; I'd just used it to look up something, so I figured he must have moved it. J. Spencer (talk) 13:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty well established by now that Agrosaurus is not Australian. The article just kind of fell through the cracks. J. Spencer (talk) 13:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's fine for Agrosaurus to be under the purview of WP:Australia, though, because it's historically important. J. Spencer (talk) 15:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

dinko

Lonely as a dingo ... baits aside, or given a cite, let me give my appreciation from me for things that make SatuSoru appear on my witchlast. Speaking of lists, Archipelago of the Recherche - or the frequintlee Gazz-entitled concision of the unique prefix to the archpegleg - Recherche Archipelago? I like the first, the latter seems current. Can you guide this geo-challenged mariner to a source of dis stuff? cygnis insignis 13:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems to have the nod, but not from those lurking in benthic habitat. The well grounded custodian has the edge on the those who would accent their study area, recherché, the very site of their nitrous intoxicated hallucinations and psuedo scholarly inventions. Soft coral! This is the ravings of those would-be-benthos, aquamen with waterproof geocorders and biographers, those who would deny the very purpose of ships; to displace onself from the maddening depths.

Did you want to move the page? I think I have had hit hup to here with movies and redirectives. Maybe add that wherezit lat/long templete (-34.203º, 122.350º) with the little spinning marble icon? cygnis insignis 13:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Pierre Tandean

Naughty! That Lubang Buaya list had a redlink. Not any more :-) Now I must turn this computer off. I'm being nagged to go and watch some bad Indonesian TV. Regards Davidelit (talk) 14:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Snug, Tasmania

You are too kind! Alas, these days I don't have enough free time to do a detailed edit like that more than once every few months (at most!) -- Securiger (talk) 11:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Perth population

Fun, hey? I know the estimated population recently passed 1.5 million (or so The West said) so maybe it'd just be easier to find a more current ABS estimate. - Mark 12:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Greycliffe...

Hey SS. I notice you saw this new article. I'm surprised it hadn't already been written. Who'd be best to ask about it - i note there is a maritime project - does a inner harbour ferry disaster register? There are some great shots and drawings around, but they seem restricted. --Merbabu (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Red river links

I have commented them out - see talk page discussion --Matilda ^talk 04:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

UWAP

A few times I made half-hearted attempts to find a reasonable reference but couldn't find enough to make it worthwhile. There's a few inbound links, which is a reasonable test for notability. Go for it by all means as long as you can find something. —Moondyne click! 08:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Butting in -- Melbourne University Publishing is at a similar level of development. I looked at academic publishing & small press when trying to sort out what to do with Macleay Press. UQP is a redlink (and not mentioned at University of Queensland). Surely there are some notable books they have published, e.g., for MUP: Manning Clark's history, Australian Dictionary of Biography ... Paul foord (talk) 04:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Only on wikipedia...

[14]. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Now for some home-grown trouble [15] --Merbabu (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Behemoths

That is one long list. What to do with it hey? It's got more detail that a category could offer but I wonder how well maintained or accurate it is? -- Longhair\^talk 01:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

We could get a bot to place put a citation requested tag against each line item and date. Then remove it next month.  ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 01:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ordinary Person's response

"Talk items go at the bottom of the page not top "

I was not aware of that.

" please note that if you use a living persons name like that in wikipedia - it might be moved if in fact you are making claims against that person without reasonable effort to substantiate your accusations - open ended comments like that are neither of benefit to you or the encyclopedia - dont be suprised if someone reverts your talk page item."

Very well. I will edit and moderate my comments.

Thank you for your input.

Ordinary Person (talk) 02:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Station information

Perth stations McIver and Claisebrook now have some histery for them--Jlong2008 (talk) 02:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hancock Prospecting

Thank you for your message - the point is moot now as an admin has denied speedy deletion. However, I am still of the view that the article as it stands does not assert the notability of the subject per WP:Notability (organizations and companies).  – ukexpat (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry if the speedy nomination offended you - that was of course not the intention. The speedy deletion process exists for exactly this reason - to speedily delete articles that do not meet the inclusion criteria. So it is not my responsibility as a nominator for speedy deletion either to check out the company in other sources or to check out the creator's edit history. Also the fact that the admin who declined speedy deletion is apparently a friend of yours puts them in a conflict of interest. – ukexpat (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy means that the process is speedier than, say AfD. It doesn't mean "speedily" shooting down any fledgling article the moment it emerges. --Merbabu (talk) 14:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have to get off - I really think we have explored this enough - the damned company is a lot more notable than us three - lets get over it and move on - cheers SatuSuro

I don't have a problem with moving on. BTW I edited the refs that you just added so that they are listed properly in the refs section, which I also edited to use the reflist template, hope that's OK. Personally I think articles look better with refs in a smaller font.  – ukexpat (talk) 14:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I grew up in Brooklands, Sale, not a million miles from Alderly Edge! Nice part of the country. I have lived in the US since 1995 and I do miss some Brit things like decent sport - cricket and rugby in particular. Thankfully a lot of good stuff is on Youtube! Cheers. – ukexpat (talk) 14:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk messages here please:-

of the

Go on ... cygnis insignis 09:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought you liked doing em, ta for the tag on the reptilist. cygnis insignis 11:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Tasmania mania

Thank you - just a neatness obsession on my part. Making a point of keeping the Adelaide, Tasmania, South Australia articles all assessed...the entire Australia list is a gargantuan task though. Your good self, Graemec and others deserve thanks for keeping this under control. Happy Editing - Peripitus (Talk) 02:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL

Yes, it's all craziness. I still haven't fixed the suburbs, either - half of them aren't gazetted and there's some blatant POV in some of those as well. Orderinchaos 11:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Twenty to Five

Just a quick note that ive changed the name from Twenty Years to Five Years. Thanks. Five Years 16:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Education & Musuems

Im not too convinced personally, its a project on musuems, and i can see that. But theres a project on schools, so why not remove them from EiA too? To me the logic doesnt work out. Personally, itd have to be an Australian project i think (eg. Australian culture). Maybe at a later date, wp:musuems is in its infancy. In short, its a maybe. Five Years 16:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist size

Help:Watching_pages#Size_limitation. I'm not saying how big mine is :-/ —Moondyne click! 01:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

country roads of tas template needed

is there a counrty roads page in western australia or another aussie state that i can use as a reference point? Wiki ian 03:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

you happy with the changes i made to the infobox on Gordon River Road? Wiki ian 04:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Australia's pelagic things

In Australia's Big Things#Western Australia you'll notice a need for a photo of the Eucla whale. Is this the nose of the same beast, and if so, do you have a full size photo? —Moondyne click! 02:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Silly me, forget it. Nullabor Roadhouse is on the SA side. Eucla is on the border, so I assume the Eucla whale is different. —Moondyne click! 02:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Our messages crossed. —Moondyne click! 02:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd never say no to a free prawn. —Moondyne click! 03:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Back for more, sigh. SatuSuro 10:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

he he

Nice edit summ --Merbabu (talk) 13:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Surakarta‎...

This one is a bit of a mess. I am hoping you can have a little bit of a go at it. Not a FA standard job with a myriad of references, rather a 5 min (even 3 mins) spin through the history section knocking out anything that strikes you as bs or irrelevant. I can then go back and fix up the writing style and paragraphing (which i all over the place. Of course, longer would be good - but I think it only needs a 5min bash around the ears and it will be 50% better. The next 50% will take a lot more work. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 01:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

WA school list

Thanks for comments. I was aware that lists are discouraged. Frankly the existing list is woefully short. Only 10 to 15% of WA schools are listed. I am not really keen to spend too much time extending it however I have been fiddling around the margins, so to speak, trying to make it more useful for people who access it. So I have added links to current active lists maintained at other outside web sites rather than add to the lists. You will see that my list of contributions is low. I am more a reader than a contributor. Frankly fiddling with the list is giving me a bit of experience with editing. (Lanyon (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC))

Pelion Gap

"Ohmigod" or "Oh my god"? Sorry you thought my article on Pelion Gap was of such a poor standard. As it was a stub I was trying to expand it as is asked for, so I added some extra content and considered information about the platform relevant. There is not too much that you can actually write about a gap between two mountains because there is not actually all that much there (I have been there three time to verify this). Sorry also that you consider my literacy to be of a low standard. I have tried extremely hard to provide information on Tasmanian mountains that is not available anywhere else on-line (that I can find easily anyway) and have spent considerable time on it. Try typing Mount Pelion West into your search engine and I don't think you will find anything like the Wikipedia article. I have even specially sought and gained permission to use GPS mapping for the articles. I have deleted the offending material and have left the bare basic encyclopaedic content to keep everbody happy. I was also not aware that you had given me an official warning as I don't always check the discussion pages. Perhaps you could have sent me an email. Anyway many apologies! In the future I will only concentrate on the bare verifiable facts and rely on the true professionals to add the precise, accurate, undeniable, verifiable and scientific content. SJS (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Update:I was just having a look at another article on mountains to see how I can improve my style and went to the article on Cradle Mountain and noticed that this text:

"There is a parking area at Ronny Creek, the outlet of Lake Dove, which is approximately 7km from the national park visitors centre. A free shuttle bus runs between the two.

Apart from private transport, or walking the Overland Track, there are public bus services to the Cradle Mountain Visitors Centre. Many tour companies also stop here.

Cradle Mountain is a popular tourist destination because of all the sights and sounds of nature. it is a great experience"

is perhaps also not encyclopaedic. SJS (talk) 00:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PelionClimber (talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Tasmania

I have got my hands on a copy of Railroading in Tasmania: 1868 - 1961, by Thomas C J Cooley. Will have some fun with the 150 pages of it when I get the time. Wongm (talk) 14:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Crustacean

I think it's a journey I'll leave to others. WP:Japan has Krill and Humpback Whale, WP:Africa AIDS, WP:Australia had (until just now) and the Faroes has Blackbird. If the extra FA's in a listing give people a warm feeling who am I to deny them - Peripitus (Talk) 03:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

List help...

Hi there. I know we share similar views on the importance of really long lists no matter how obscure the info - the longer the list, the more helpful and reliable wikipedia becomes. Please add to Indonesian-sounding names adopted by Chinese Indonesians. The best additions are, of course, the unreferenced ones. cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 10:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Tasmanian Mountain articles

Thanks for the advice. I am not sure why you stated this: "Also your messages to me at my talk pages suggest you are using more than one user name - take care - maybe you need to understand the issues that arise when using multiple accounts" as I have only posted one message prior to this on your talk page. I can guarantee that I have only one user name. You should be able to check this from the IP address origin of the messages. As for accessing the library in Hobart, I am working full-time and live in the remote northwest coast. I have been providing my contributions in my spare time, usually way too late a night. I could provide most of the information on your long list but you have scarred me off a bit because I know that unless I use multiple citations to completely back up the information I will be "shot down in flames"

I had a look at the Frenchmans Cap article and noted there is a long section about climbing the mountain which I had been criticised for before on my articles: "The articles about mountains are not climbing guides but encyclopedia entries - please help cleanup SatuSuro 00:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)" Also noted that the article had this: "The walk from Irenabyss to Victoria Pass traverses rugged country and is recommended only for highly experienced parties" when I read somewhere on the Wikipedia site that Wikipedia cannot recommend or advise, it can only provide facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PelionClimber (talk • contribs) 12:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Trying to get it clear in my head how I should proceed. Cheers SJS (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is my assistance needed?

For I will aid my nation to battle...in wikipedia. Besides, it's clear that Malaysia isn't widely spoken in Australia, and you also wouldn't be putting English in the French language article. -_-" --Hamster X (talk) 12:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian living in Malaysia, thanks for the link by the way.--Hamster X (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Misread

At the five victorians delete - too much emphasis on oggle as a reference to notability is the scourge of afd debates - I was pointing out that they dont even hit the NLA new beta catalogue at all - that is a far more reliable location for whether anything was ever published (short of checking the vic state library catalogue) - hope that clarifies the point that i was making SatuSuro 04:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Farmers' Five. I actually agree with you - I think that Google is certainly a valid tool for assessing the notability of some things (modern technology, bands, politicians, etc), but that 19th century settlers in Australia wasn't one of them. However, the lack of any other apparent sources on these individuals does not inspire confidence. I was able to find a mention of a George Brown who I think is the same person as one of the people in the story, but the mention is fleeting and doesn't refer to him as one of the "Farmer's Five" ([16], p50). As for the others, nothing. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC).

Another source that I've found useful, particularly for historical subjects, is Google Books. It even lets you sift through the pages of some books, which I think is pretty neat! Even if you can't actually read the book, it can help to find out whether there are books that discuss a particular topic, and provides a reading list for me to take down to my local library. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC).

damp meadows

Ah, the last time you ask me to do that there was no end of heartache ;-]

How ya going anyway, good work finding the name of that field-gruppen. I had planned to dyk it, we still can, but I need to get my magic box. I can't believe that people use these blasted things for anything but playing games and learning pointless keystrokes - Gah! Did ya get a four-worded e-invite from moi? cygnis insignis 09:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I had another look, it needs lots of tweaks before I release it. BTW I tried to edit from a school the other day, but it was blocked until their first day back from holis !? So I paid real money to login from a cafe, all for a c/e and a typo. Cheers to all cygnis insignis 09:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"trying to identify known places at south passage"

Mate,

I noticed your edit to Dirk Hartog Island with edit summary "trying to identify known places at south passage". Thought it might help if I gave you a few places to think about. Here is all the gazetted places between 26 and 26.25 South, and 113 and 113.3 E., which forms as smallish rectangle centred on South Passage. I can provide lists for any other lat-long range upon request.

(moved to satusuro user page for further usage out of talk)

Hesperian 11:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

My database query returned an entry entitled "Dirk Hartog", which I unwisely assumed meant "Dirk Hartog Island", and corrected it to that. It turns out that there is a homestead(?) named "Dirk Hartog" on the eastern side of Dirk Hartog Island, just south of Notch Point. Hesperian 13:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Dutch influence on Indonesian grammar

Hi. I don't speak Dutch, but casting my mind back to schoolboy German and after a quick glance at Dutch language, I can't see any similarities. Indonesian is dominated by affixation, largely determined by verbs being transitive, intransitive, causative or passive and the way nouns are formed from adjectives, whereas Dutch is full of horrible inflections dependent on case. On a more superficial level, Dutch has separate words for subject, object and possessive pronouns, while Indonesian makes do with one (ie Saya = I,me,mine,my). Dutch word order is adjective-noun, Indonesian is noun-adjective. And here is the biggie - Dutch has three genders, whereas Indonesian has er... none (the few words where there is a difference for boys and girls such as mahasiswa/i take the Sanskrit endings). Indonesian doesn't even have separate pronouns for the two genders, yet alone a whole set for a third. About the only similarities I can see, as you said, are vocabulary-related. Apart from the large number of Dutch-originated words, Indonesian also forms compound nouns by lumping words together (rumah sakit etc). Hope this isn't too windy an answer. Regards Davidelit (talk) 04:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Definitely Bintang, although I hear it's really expensive there. I will try and have a nice day, but apparently there are demonstrations everywhere in Jakarta today, so maybe I'll just stay at home! Cheers Davidelit (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Dutch is not the same as German, example, German has 3 definite articles while Dutch only has two. (Red4tribe (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC))

As for all other parts of the relevnt conversation it looks like the main pionts have been missed again - thanks for the information though SatuSuro 00:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from Horologium

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed unanimously with the support of 100 editors. Your kindness is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Wizardman, Black Falcon and jc37 for nominating me. — Horologium

Cathedral & Tasmap

Pleased that I now have the formulae approximately right. Not sure what type of Tasmap article you had in mind. Cheers SJS (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ausralian borders

You have caught us (WP Australia that is) out there - with the category - as there appears to be no adequate article to tie in yet - and some of the material is not clear enough - please note that at least 4 main australia articles (geogoraphy, states etc) have no sections about borders at all - so there is a bit of catchup to do - also because we have EEZ's we also do not appear to have adequate article material about the recently enlarged eez (at least i havent caught up with it yet) - cheers SatuSuro 05:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry if my spate of catogarisation had such an effect on WP Australia and I apologise. I just thot of putting some order by grouping the articles together. As wikipedia is always in a state of "work in progress", i thot there would not be any problem having articles which are not exactly complete or properly tied up to be placed within the category. CheersSlleong (talk) 08:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Indonesia

LOL yes glad to see you have your wits about you. Given the way Indonesia is geographically and that there is a potential 70,000 odd places in Indonesia the infrastructural change was needed to prepare for growth in the future. By region and province seemed like a sensible way to go particularly as I aim to add many missing places over the coming weeks. E.g aim at putting 200 articles in each new category. This is just in coordination with my work on most countries of the world where I aim to add an infobox and map locator to every place and then try to get a bot set up to add thousands of missing places ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well actually most of the wikiprojects have congratulated me for my work on their cities to date, and to wait two weeks for a single reply is not time I have to wait. If the project was highly active I'd probably have mentioned it first but as much as a wikiproject is responsible for coordination of its relative country, it doesn't "own" the articles any more than anybody else. Are there any wikipedians from Indonesia you think would be really upset by SPECTRE's involvment? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Try looking at Provinces of Indonesia. Are you telling me the official provinces stated here are false??? The stub categories in Indonesia are split in exactly the same way. Yogykarta and Jakarta are special urban administered provinces and everything has been done correctly. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it but just trust me. I've just created Paalmerah and each area of Indonesia can now develop big time. As there are thousands of places which could have full articles eventually in each province, the most important step now is to begin filling the notable ones in, the fact that some of the provinces only seme to have about 5 articles shows how lacking it is at present, but as I say, things will only get better!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes you mentioned about lack of RS sources. Having done a great deal of work on places in Africa and Latin America to date I can tell you that at present the web sources for a huge amount of places are not fiven online other than ther ecoordinates and altitude or occasionally population. I am strong believer that this doesn't mean they aren't of any notability, but that the web is relatively in its infancy as is wikipedia and gradually over time knowledge will increase and we will gain access to places never heard of before. This is particularly important in parts of Africa, Latin America and Asia where countrie slike Burma, Togo etc have extrermely poor resources online about their countries. It is partly wikipedia's responsiblity I think to begin addressing this and revolutionize the world of information and knowledge ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

This discussion needs to go to the project noticeboard. --Merbabu (talk) 03:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Taxiride

replied on my talk page. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 02:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Groan...

The fanboys are organising. [17]. This could have serious wikipdia-wide implications for quality. Clearly and effort to legitimise the trivial. I wonder if this project has been discussed by the broader community? --Merbabu (talk) 03:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

OzLit

Yes, I find it irritating how many are hard to find. Angus and Robersons did an Aussie classics reprint a few years ago - Langley, Boldrewood and others but they are hard to find. I guess our market is too small. An article may be good - or it could be added to the current general article perhaps? Not that I have time to do that right now!Sterry2607 (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Tasmap

Thanks for the comment on the Cathedral photo. I would be interested in providing some imput to a Tasmap article but probably not with the really technical type info. It was interesting because Tasmap had a stand at Agfest on Thursday. I didn't actually see it myself but my son got a Tasmap showbag and included was a small notepad which had a cover which said "GET LOST! or use Tasmap". I have a Magellan Triton GPS unit and I think the company that I have quoted in my topographical images for the mountains utilises slightly modified versions from the relevant Tas Govt (DPIWE)department. I think this dept and the Government Printer are largely responsible for Tasmap but I am not completely sure.SJS (talk) 10:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC) Found some information that may be useful to you at https://www.tasmap.tas.gov.au/aboutPage.do?staticpage=aboutPage.do SJS (talk) 11:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Lists

Perhaps extracting lists should be the project of the month. I'm deciding what to do about this [18] at the moment. Any thoughts? Davidelit (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It is true about lists. And they have to be numbered! By the way, have you seen what's happening over at Communist Party of Indonesia? I'm ploughing manfully through references for Dutch-Indonesian Round Table Conference at the moment. Dear God, George McTurnan Kahin does go on. Mind you it seems he nearly got shot in Yogya in '49, so I suppose he feels he has the right to rattle on a bit... Merbabu has yet to erupt :-) Davidelit (talk) 11:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Lists!?!?!? My reaction to lists. --Merbabu (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

ping

Imagine images and voila they be there, detail coming via the e-postman Gnangarra 13:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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  Enterance to Mercedes College
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  Palace Hotel, Perth Western Australia
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  INternal view of the Perth railway station taken from platform 6 looking towards the original enterance
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  Holding facitility before loading of salt on the ships
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  Sea eagle nest
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  Steep Point, the western most point of the Australian mainland
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  Aerial view ot the Useloop townsite and salt drying flats
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  Statue of William Farrer
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  Statue of William Farrer
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  Statue of John Gale
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  Statue of John Gale
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  St Johns Procathederal in Perth Western Australia
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  enterance to the Young Australia League building in Perth Western Australia

Thar she blows capt'n please fix the descriptions and image dates etc, where there is nothing to fix plaese do a null edit so as to confirm that they are self published even though I uploaded them. Gnangarra 14:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

actually meant the image descritpionpages on Commons. Gnangarra 15:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Friedrich

I'll take a look over that article when I return. You arrived at my talk page just as I was packing up for now. Came off the motorbike recently around home and have yet another doctors appointment to attend. Ouch! Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 03:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Familiar tracks and fallen trees don't make for a good time on the bike. Not at all. -- Longhair\^talk 03:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

New Norcia, Western Australia

Can you explain the meaning of the section Friends of New Norcia. I did not understand this. It says "Following the closing of the schools in the early the 1990's the Benedictine community went through a crisis in its sense of how income and interest in the monastery might be sustained" - a more explanation will be helpful. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

CANE

That is one long article. If I didn't have the flu atm I'd give it a more comprehensive review... I've been doing more minor tasks since Sunday as a result of this damned thing. Orderinchaos 01:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Prambanan

I write the information based on my observation, thanks to my frequent visit to Prambanan since junior highschool, also based from some books I've red about Prambanan. But unfortunately that books already missing somewhere in my house. Maybe if I've recover it I'll mentioned it as the reference. Meanwhile you're welcome to edit, support with reference, or add another reference if you have them. Thank you for your attention (Gunkarta (talk) 08:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)).

Info yang saya buat bukan dari copy-paste situs lain, tapi dari pengamatan sendiri karena seringnya saya mengunjungi Prambanan sejak SMP, serta dari beberapa buku yang pernah saya baca dan saya punya tentang Prambanan. Sori buku-bukunya sudah terselip di sana-sini, mungkin di rumah kalau saya bongkar2 lagi bisa ketemu lagi. Nanti saya carikan sebagai referensi (kalau ketemu dan kalau sempat). Sementara silakan mengedit, memperkuat, atau merubah jika punya refernsi lain. Thanks atas perhatiannya (Gunkarta (talk) 08:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)).

Shark bay

Alway happy to help where I can. As for comparing Houtman Abrolhos with Shark Bay, the largest journey etc... and we cant all be as focussed as Hesp. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

“Suporior race”, inferior edits

You may also want to cast your eye over this. From memory, Hadiyana has a strong interest in Sundanese history and has made substantial expansions and article creations along these lines. --Merbabu (talk) 03:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ned kelly

Cheers. I don't know why that article is so popular with the vandals - it definitely needs more eyes on it.--Kubigula (talk) 04:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

That's pretty funny - maybe he's been waiting 20 years for his refund?--Kubigula (talk) 04:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:ASGAP

OK, I see your point, should I delink or shall you? Why has your page been semi-protected? Kathleen.wright5 09:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

What wording exactly? Kathleen.wright5 09:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

How about in Bold Type - List of species and topics studied. Kathleen.wright5 09:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Mobsters

Does Australia even use the term mobster anymore? It conjures up images of American mafia-type gangsters for myself. I think this one might do with some wider discussion. I'm not comfortable with the term when used to describe Australians. -- Longhair\^talk 01:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Leave it with me. I'll raise the matter later today when my focus is enabled ;) -- Longhair\^talk 01:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Trying to make sense of who fits where really :) -- Longhair\^talk 11:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_May_9#Category:Australian_mobsters -- Longhair\^talk 06:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hopeless...

[19] - where does one start with that sort of logic? --Merbabu (talk) 12:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

...and, the very next edit - i suggest related - is to reinstate the picture I removed as having nothing to do with the history section. --Merbabu (talk) 12:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note to the character. Perhaps though, this is a better diff to show - ie, it actually shows the changes. Cheers! --Merbabu (talk) 13:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Gday

No, I just forgot about the article, with work and study you can loose track easily. Good luck. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problems, we will co-operate well. I look forward to your imput. Yes the low level of species can proberly be attributes to many things, one being these animals are easier to migrate long distances. Love to look at the website as the references could be expanded. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Thanks for the welcome. I doubt I'll be as energetic as some wikipedia editors; I have what passes for me as a life :-). But I hope to join Wikiproject Neopaganism, and contribute to some articles on shamanism, magic and related topics. I'm into psychedelic music, too, and I think the didgeridoo is to this era what the sitar was to the sixties. For example, see Stephen Kent's work on Terence McKenna's video Alien Dreantime, and the growing prevalence of didges in trance-related bands. JuliusAaron (talk) 04:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Nat Exec

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Labor_Party_National_Executive&action=history - what an odd history, such little contribution! Only you seem to have made any changes recently. I've updated the list. I wonder if this is one of those pages that tends to fly below the radar... Timeshift (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Terrorist definition

I noticed a problem with Wikipedia self-references. See Category talk:Terrorists#Avoid self-reference in terrorist definition. My version of the template is [20] which said the same as the previous non-template text in the categories where I placed it, except the template omits the self-referential word "Wikipedia". I also made a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Terrorism#Improving the definition of terrorism and terrorist groups. Francis Schonken changed the template to display the long definition at [21] which my short template version linked to. I have not been and don't want to be involved in a discussion or decision about how to define terrorism or where to place a definition. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Giggamess

I'm using Kingbotk (User:Kingbotk/P) which does all the importance=NA (or whatever) stuff automatically. I'm not focusing on that (rather, making sure every page has a project banner, so Longhair gets to it eventually! :D), it's just part of the deal...and I think the template prefers it anyway. But yeah, no big deal either way. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 07:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Notable?

Re Drury, (asume it's established now) & yes, perhaps temp:notability should be re-named along the lines of 'I don't like it, but can't be bothered AfDing it'. ;)--Bsnowball (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Sri Sultan

I take your point. I put the redirect in there as it was the quickest way to kill the redlink from Timeline of the Indonesian National Revolution (1945-1950), which I have just been clearing up. It's all a question of time and priorities. I have not proposed any renames before, but if you have and know what to do, please go ahead. Regards Davidelit (talk) 08:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

S'pot and C'pie

No worries, well-spotted by you, and easily fixed --Melburnian (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Chronology of Commonwelath Realms

I was sorry to see you revert yourself on this :-( That section was in response to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Australian monarchs - I really don't see why there are 16 articles saying the same thing when one chronology can say it much better. I also think a table is tidier than prose and doesn't ahve to duplicate - there wa smuch information that was not duplicated and if duplication of info is the issue then we can remove the duplicatd info while still keeping prose and a chronology. Can't attend to now though :-( . Regards --Matilda ^talk 07:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Museum

Lol 1995 abit old there :P...neways i would love if you upload them and put them in the museum article if there is one...if theres not ill make one....Regards--Heaven's Army (talk) 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

ROFL XD 1985 i wasn't even born back then....it would be nice to see wat it was like back then--Heaven's Army (talk) 12:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Approx numbers how many photos do u think u have?--Heaven's Army (talk) 13:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: News not news and where is the article?

The territorial waters issue is interesting. As far as I know, while the notion of "sovereignty" is applied to land, when it comes to sea it is best to avoid the term and talk about a countries rights in different zones. Australia's claimed rights are in the terms of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. They are outlined at this GA page - note that the EEZ description speaks of rights to the "waters superjacent to the seabed" whereas in the rest of hte continental shelf on the seabed and the subsoil are mentioned. In April a UN Commission approved Australia's submission on where the relevant continental shelf ends (in line with the convention). This was widely reported as Australia extending its boundaries or continental shelf, but it was really just the last step in claiming the continental shelf rights set out by the convention for all coastal countries. The first news articles I can find about it are [22] [23] and an article today about other countries [24] (note the phrase "on and beneath the seabed"). Clearly the extended limits are important, but in terms of the history section they are a very minor point, a bureaucratic detail in an international agreement, rather than a significant move by Australia. It might be worth having an article on Australia's maritime rights and responsibilities, but it is probably covered fairly well by the descriptions of the international agreements. JPD (talk) 06:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Freo Doctor

Yes exactly ... that title would have absolutely no international appeal ... I doubt it'd be understood outside WA or maybe even Perth. It's like titling a book about syringes "The Bell Tower" and expecting anyone else outside of Perth to understand it. Or at least that's what I was told it looked like when it was first put up ... Graham87 01:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail ... assuming your Gmail address still works. When I tried to email you through the "email this user" function it didn't work. Graham87 01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

'Tis OK ... I didn't know much about the area. Of course I didn't go there because it's a bit hard to access with a regular stationwagon. Is South West Wilderness going to be the main article of the cat? If so I could make it so it appears first in the listing. Graham87 02:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I've had a go at making it more NPOV. It's not *that* bad ... except the mention of "stunning views" and things like that. Some of it is borderline and will date quickly, like the info about transport, but that is slightly encyclopedic as well. Graham87 02:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep I have ... all these Boy Scouts camps, hiking trails etc. Luckily most of them are in America or Canada. As they'd say over there, with a phrasing I find dispicable, there's a whole bunch to go. I absolutely detest article tags as they're not informative and are just plain ugly. I have never added tags to articles in all my edits except when converting instances of bare "citation needed" to {{fact|date=the twelfth of never}}". :-) Graham87 08:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Arrhhh retirement

I can relate to that (in the tone of voice of the late frank zappa when he used to say that) - trust its going ok. He was an awesome satirist. Time to back away a bit. Everythings cool. I like the pic on your userpage, have seen our dingo ? —Ѕandahl 03:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

ping

are you still online Gnangarra 08:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hazards

If different areas have different names for the same hazards those should all be listed in the same section. I know that hurricanes/typhoons are different names for the same phenomenon, though few sane people try to hike in such weather. A wet rock by another name is still a wet rock.

As for hazards on Wikipedia, those require subtle skill to navigate safely. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Tasmanian connection

When I entered a school at the age of 11 many guessed I was the cousin/brother of an exchange student from Tasmania, a fellow at least five years older than I but who bore a striking resemblance to me (or vice versa). Common threads (genes) extend across widely-separated areas.

I'm expecting to plant an ice axe deep in the summer remains of old snow this June. Perhaps you'll have some fresh stuff the same month. Let's both of us handle the obbjective and subjective hazards successfully. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Territorial waters again

Territorial waters seems to be at least a fairly decent start at laying out the issues, unless you are suggesting that we need an Australia-specific article. I have to admit I don't know of anything that is specific to the Australian situation. JPD (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Tas articles

Hi there, Yeah I tend to pop on only every now and again - everything demanding so much time these days! -- Chuq (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Overland Track

This article has too many red links which looks bad. Can you please start the respective article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Responded at Oto's talk page - no go - I didnt create the red links and have no intention of playing with them - Its a crappy article that needs lots of work to be made into something other than a group of bushwalkers memos to each other and outright rubbishy non enycclopediac prose - I have enough on my plate as it is - grey em if you wanna SatuSuro 14:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Overland Track

This article has too many red links which looks bad. Can you please start the respective article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Responded at Oto's talk page - no go - I didnt create the red links and have no intention of playing with them - Its a crappy article that needs lots of work to be made into something other than a group of bushwalkers memos to each other and outright rubbishy non enycclopediac prose - I have enough on my plate as it is - grey em if you wanna SatuSuro 14:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Port of Albany

Thanks for adding in all of the section headings, article looks much better and reads much easier as a result. Keep up the good work. --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC) If you could get hold of some non-web based refs to help out with the article it would be much appreciated (I don't get to the library too often I'm afraid), particularly for the history-stuff side (well the older history stuff) I will add another table for port export/import tonnages in the near future but that will be pretty much all of the info I have been able to get hold of. I'll take some photos of the port the next time the sun is shining down here to. --Hughesdarren (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Goldfields Highway

Thanks for the comment regarding the edits I made. It's good to know that some one else has had problems with this editor before! Did you feel that any of the edits I made were unreasonable? Thanks again! Tazkal (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Indonesian Airport Stubs

The only thing I'm going to do with Indonesian Airport Stubs is see if there's enough for a separate stub template, which I think there might be after looking through them whilst doing Malaysian Airport Stubs, which have an Upmerged template because they don't have the required minimum of 60 stubs. (see Wikipedia:Stub#Creating stub types). Kathleen.wright5 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC).

Re: Borobudru

I simply thought it was a bad addition to the page, just tacked on at the end and didn’t integrate into the text at all. But if you want to put it back, I’m not going to start an edit war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bossk-Office (talk • contribs) 13:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Dont stop by that much anymore, busy life and being told Wikipedia is not a reliable source don't tend to look it up much. Apart from that everything's going well as can be expected for this time of the year ( exams, EOFY etc). Trust all is well around your neck of the woods.

Goldfields Highway

Quite clearly, you haven't done your research. I may come from interstate (won't say where), but I can clearly tell you that if you searched Laverton, WA on the Google Maps page, you will find Goldfields Highway, on the left of the map, and if you zoom in on Laverton, you will find that Leonora-Laverton Road, links with the Anne Beadell Highway, and since it isn't necessary to add Leonora-Laverton Road as another Wikipedia Road Article, I think it is the only smart think to add that Anne Beadell Highway runs via Leonora-Laverton Road between Leonora and Laverton to the Goldfields Highway. Here's the link if you still don't believe me! [25]--Rom rulz424 (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Answered at user talk page SatuSuro 14:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Anne Beadell Highway connection

In reponse earlier, a change in detail of the article made by Tazkal, has made me rather confused, and why Leonora-Laverton Road is not listed as a major junction.

I have extensively researched Google Maps, and find it a very reliable source, considering in areas where I have never been, such as the Goldfields Highway in Western Australia. Anyway, I do believe that Anne Beadell Highway should be included as a major junction for two reasons.

I find it unnecessary that Leonora-Laverton Road, should have a Wikipedia Road article, as there is not a lot to mention about it, other than where it starts and ends (which is obvious), and distance covered. I felt that the best connection is the Anne Beadell Highway with the Goldfields Highway via Leonora-Laverton Road, as it won't create the missing link between two important outback roads. If you viewed Anne Beadell Highway, you will see that I also listed Goldfields Highway as the terminating point via Leonora-Laverton Road, and hence this will reduce the need of an additional Wikipedia article, and also give visitors an idea into the important link this would have, especially for 4WD enthusiasts.

I hope that you will revert back to the previous that Tazkal has made, and for evidence visit Google Maps, and search Laverton, WA; and you will see for yourself I'm making this link road for a very good reason. --Rom rulz424 (talk) 14:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It's best to find a written source so it can be cited then using Google Maps as a source. Bidgee (talk) 14:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Goldfields Highway

Quite clearly, you haven't done your research. I may come from interstate (won't say where), but I can clearly tell you that if you searched Laverton, WA on the Google Maps page, you will find Goldfields Highway, on the left of the map, and if you zoom in on Laverton, you will find that Leonora-Laverton Road, links with the Anne Beadell Highway, and since it isn't necessary to add Leonora-Laverton Road as another Wikipedia Road Article, I think it is the only smart think to add that Anne Beadell Highway runs via Leonora-Laverton Road between Leonora and Laverton to the Goldfields Highway. Here's the link if you still don't believe me! [26]--Rom rulz424 (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If we mentioned every road that was linked to another road i could add another 4 at least to this page. Plus, the Anne Beadell Highway isnt classified as a highway; its a track, just like the Gunbarrel Highway. Google Maps is hardly the most acurate of sources in any case! Regards Tazkal (talk) 14:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC) :( phew it must be monday morning SatuSuro 00:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Monday morning

Most of goldfields highway material copied to the talk page of that art SatuSuro 01:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. Now it can be easily tracked (no pun intended). Bidgee (talk) 01:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Towns and infoboxes

Happy to help. It has been one of my projects to add infoboxes to all articles on Australian towns. I have completed Victoria and Tasmania and I am about one-third the way through Queensland. SA and WA will follow and NSW (other than the Riverina and New England) lags behind. By adding the no-infobox tag to the article talk page, it adds the article to my infobox work list at Category:Australia articles without infoboxes so I don't lose it amidst all the rush!

My sole trip to Tassie I did not see much other than the Brighton Barracks, Pontville Pub and the Buckland Forest. I would love to go back some time, esp. to the South West. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 01:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Islands of Shark Bay

Here are the 30 gazetted islands that occur between 24.5 and 26.5 S, and between 112 and 114.5 E. I had to go that far north to get Dorre and Bernier Islands, and I had to go that far east to get the Hutchinson Islands, but unfortunately that meant getting Babbage Island too, which I wouldn't be inclined to call an island of Shark Bay. But I shall leave to you the decision on what to omit. Happy to tweak the query if you want to give me refined boundaries.

Ant Island	26°9′47″S 113°26′32″E
Babbage Island	24°52′39″S 113°37′57″E
Bernier Island	24°50′57″S 113°8′14″E	no dab req'd
Boora Island	24°45′25″S 114°11′45″E
Charlie Island	26°22′3″S 113°34′7″E
Dirk Hartog Island	25°50′36″S 113°3′18″E	no dab req'd
Dorre Island	25°3′26″S 113°6′4″E
Double Island	26°24′57″S 113°36′59″E	Double Island (Shark Bay)
Eagle Island	26°5′40″S 113°34′30″E	Eagle Island (Western Australia)
Egg Island	25°54′34″S 113°9′20″E	Egg Island (Shark Bay)
Faure Island	25°51′22″S 113°53′35″E	no dab req'd
Freycinet Island	26°24′26″S 113°37′0″E
Friday Island	26°6′9″S 113°24′9″E
Hutchison Islands	26°6′47″S 114°14′5″E
Kangaroo Island	26°19′9″S 113°29′58″E	Kangaroo Island (Shark Bay)
Koks Island	24°45′2″S 113°9′33″E
Lefebre Island	26°13′50″S 113°30′25″E
Mary Anne Island	26°29′6″S 113°40′59″E
Meade Island	26°0′5″S 113°11′57″E	no dab req'd
North Kangaroo Island	26°17′57″S 113°30′11″E
Parrot Island	26°24′45″S 113°30′9″E
Pelican Island	25°51′12″S 114°0′48″E	Pelican Island (Shark Bay)
Slope Island	26°5′27″S 113°24′45″E
Sunday Island	26°7′32″S 113°14′6″E	Sunday Island (Shark Bay)
Unknown Island	26°23′16″S 113°22′16″E
White Island	26°26′38″S 113°45′41″E	White Island (Shark Bay)
Whitlock Island	24°53′14″S 113°38′44″E
Whitmore Island	24°52′0″S 113°37′20″E
Wilds Island	26°27′6″S 113°36′54″E
Wilson Island	26°9′55″S 113°39′33″E	Wilson Island (Shark Bay)

Oh, by the way, I haven't fixed these links; some of the blue ones probably point at the wrong article. Hesperian, yesterday (Sorry; forgot to sign).

Dab pages fixed use the red link for article creation, dab naming based on worse case so far Sunday Island, Western Australia Kimberley, Pilbara, and Shark Bay. Will fix Kangaroo shortly need to create a couple of dab pages then link from the SA art to dab. Eagle Is I left at its current location already dabed to that but can move if wanted to (Shark Bay) DAB. Gnangarra 16:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Kangaroo Island (disambiguation) now created, and links fixed Gnangarra 17:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

You might have missed one or two.[27] :-) Hesperian 11:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kangaroo Island

Seen the image before you reverted then I found the other image which was from the link that they posted. It was reposted on the page which I reverted and used the advert warning tag which may give them a little bit of info. Anything thing we can do is hope they read the policy and understand it or we will just have to revert and warn which may lead to them getting a 24 hour ban (which I hope it doesn't come to). Bidgee (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I've just gave them the final warning with the advert tag. Fingers crossed they stop readding it. Bidgee (talk) 11:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Yes, that is, as always, the hope! Biruitorul ^Talk 01:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In WA

There is definitely an air of unpredictability about WA and its residents; chair sniffing, quokka kicking, peculiar hat wearing etc. etc. -- 02:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Matt I'd just to point out you misspelled residents its rodents 02:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Fairy 'nuff. I guess I was a little obtuse! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I prefer to talk about things first, rather than be bold. I was surprised that someone renamed Convictism in Australia so soon, before there was a clear consensus on the topic. Usually I contribute in other areas of the project, such as Canberra or assessment requests. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Project tag

The Charismatic project had been tagged as inactive for awhile, which is why I started using the Christianity banner, which provides assessment for both projects, while the Charismatic project only works for that project. If you think that the Charismatic project is likely to become active again, it might not matter too much, but I think in general the "joint" banner might work better. Your call in the end on any particular article, though. John Carter (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Tagging

Not my area of talent I am afraid! --Matilda ^talk 01:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Everything looks in order my end. Have you got an example? -- Longhair\^talk 02:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Crushed by what? By the way why do recent paramteters have capitals like "Demographics" and "Indigenous" (which means that you have to remember these).--Grahame (talk) 07:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Tagging

Thanks for your positive comments. Excuse my ignorance, but how do I tag my new articles?? Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 10:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate your help, as I am still learning the ins & outs of Wikipedia. I live in Millner, so we were probably neighbours at some time. Thanks again. Spy007au (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

in case you're not watching my page..... I'm headed off line

Hello, JarrahTree. You have new messages at Travellingcari's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

just back, never worry about dropping by to comment. I'm happy to help :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: zig zag

Fair enough. I used to live up near Kalamunda and only knew of the zig zag railway before coming to Wikipedia. I wouldn't merge them myself ... I like actual articles instead of huge monstrosities with 20 billion redirects leading to them. Graham87 11:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I'm wandering through Category:Rail transport in Western Australia. I think I meandered through WA railway articles a couple of years ago ... it is certainly interesting to find out about railways I never knew existed, or just didn't know much about. There don't seem to be as many of them as there used to be. Graham87 11:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, deal. *I* should probably do some real content adding at some point as well ... it's certainly hard work, but worth it IMO so that accurate info is easily accessible. I just love reading through Wikipedia, and if I find something wrong, I correct it ... and then I go through many more articles and all the time just slips away. Graham87 11:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, where does Canning Road actually go through? It seemed like a very long road ... almost a gateway from Walliston/Lesmurdie/Bickley to Kalamunda. Graham87 11:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha. Thanks for that. Maybe it just felt like a long drive when I was about eight or so. Graham87 11:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Mount King William, Tasmania

Sorry about that, I was on new page patrol and it looked like it could use an explicit reference. The article looks good though. I'll see if I can find/cite a reference. -FrankTobia (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Trams

Sounds good. I remember hearing some years ago that there was also an extensive tram system in Kalgoorlie ... it was on 6RPH Information Radio but I don't have the foggiest idea what article they were reading. Graham87 15:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Mongols and Java...

A quick snoop around with Google suggests there was a failed invasion attempt of Java - not quite as reported in the new article. How do you find these articles? --Merbabu (talk) 23:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

BLPs and so on ...

Must admit I gave little thought to wiki yesterday. I spent some time looking at places like this one for example. Spent much of last week defending Tania and now looking after Zarah, very gallant of me, no? Seriously, BLP on wiki is more honoured in the breach than the observance, and the "do no harm" principle is almost wilfully ignored. Very tiresome to continue to remove the same content time and time again. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 02:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian airport stubs

Here's something for you and the other members of WP:Indonesia to expand to Start class. Category:Indonesian airport stubs. Kathleen.wright5 12:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

oz project is a cat zone?

I don't think it is a category page - I could be persuaded otherwise but I am sure it is in wikipedia namespace. i did revert all my relabelling of cat = yes though which were in the category space.--Matilda ^talk 02:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

• restored the deleted cat --Matilda ^talk 02:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
  • The Dog on the Tuckerbox might have something to say about our project being a cat zone... Orderinchaos 02:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm still busy, just chronically distracted :P Orderinchaos 03:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

References & Citations for Mount Ragoona and Cathedral Mountain

I am not really sure of what your admin had in mind but any help kindly accepted. I tried to mainly stay within the framework of information that can simply be verified directly from the map quoted. A transgression was the info on the rockfall which would be difficult to reference but the photos do go a long way towards verification. Thanks SJS (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Indonesia topics

Hi. Thanks for your friendly message. I realize that some of the links could be placed in different groups or more than one group, so I realize that's something people might do in future. Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Jawa

Learning to speak a bit of bahasa, boning up on the literature, and composing research. I've got tons of catching up to do. I got pounded with sakit perut for about 10 days, but seem to have come out of it. With all the nyamuk bites, hopefully I won't get Dengue too. Smilo Don (talk) 06:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Jave La Grande

Bit absent minded really - I was reading the Joseph Solis corrections of Jave La Grande to Java which were then corrected when the author realised that was the correct spelling. Happy to have that reverted - although it currently doesnt go anywhere. Or perhaps it could be linked to "Dieppe maps"?--Nickm57 (talk) 10:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Peter Trickett? This is an argument of his in "Beyond Capricorn." Interesting. However, there's a strong argument the Dieppe Maps were meant to be laid flat (on a large table), to be looked at from all sides. The notion of maps being "rightside up" or 'upside down' (to north) can be argued to be a more modern interpretation. Anyway, its true we always skew maps (ancient and modern) in books and on screen this way today. I've looked at the ***** things everywhich way, they still mystify me! Look at the Dieppe maps too long and I think your mind starts to wander...!--Nickm57 (talk) 11:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

whaddayareckon?

Is it worth getting all bent out of shape over Talk:Exmouth? Or should I just leave it be? Hesperian 04:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

GWR railway to Willuna past Meekathara

Hi!

There are several prospective iron ore mines in the Meekatharra area, including one by Golden West Resources (GWR). It is hard to keep track of them all! Tabletop (talk) 06:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

WP Energy project template

Hi, SatuSuro. Concerning your question, I don't think that there is any established practice or we ever had a discussion on this. I suggest to post this this question on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy talk page for discussion. I suggest to notify also user:Jorfer, who has developed this banner.Beagel (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Being around

Yes, I fly to Germany on the 10th June. Give me a call 0439 433 584, or leave a message at 9470 5334

Regards

John D. Croft (talk) 07:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Srivijaya

I'm sorry but it's probably late here but I don't quite comprehend your concern. Are you referring to the placement of Category Srivijaya into various categories? __earth ^(Talk) 09:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. You may do it if you have the time. I'm still at work (heh! don't tell my boss) but I'll do it later in the evening if you haven't done so by the time I get home. __earth ^(Talk) 09:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Refreshing...

This is refreshing. At least he is honest about his lack of care for quality. What's best way to handle? --Merbabu (talk) 21:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

progress

yes even standardisation will be an improvement but I see so many things wrong and ... --Matilda ^talk 02:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Assistance

[[Media:Example.ogg]] How do you hold a conversation on each page without having to edit? How do you get your user ID and time added at the end? Peter Phelps —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter phelps (talk • contribs) 10:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hills

Yeah no worries. I didn't know much about the rich history of The Hills .... how they've been used, abused, and so on. I can really understand what you were saying about how it's hard to cover all of it in just suburb articles ... history and nature don't work with artificially delimited suburbs. Graham87 05:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

No not yet - I'll have a go at that later today - should go to sleep soon. I'm just going through the WA public schools category to find out what's new since I last went through there a couple years ago. Graham87 16:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The ISO dates don't even work. Give me a sec and I'll find something that works and doesn't look so weird. Graham87 04:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way

I just watchlisted Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SatuSuro. When when when? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 08:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

decomposing indonesian composers

Thanks for the note. As you say, the trouble with this kind of list is all the world and his aunt wants to add a name or two. Don't blame the Indonesians, there's others twice as bad! If I did remove somebody worthy of an article put them back. Maybe even request an article. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian rupiah

Oh dear. Where to start? --Merbabu (talk) 00:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Devils

Yeah ok. The user doesn't seem up to any good. Give him a top level warning next time and if the user does it after that, I'll block him. No matter what I do, I can't get the date column to sort at all in mineral fields of Western Australia which is very strange. Graham87 06:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's the problem - the table in European Free Trade Association works fine and it's bigger. Looking at the URL, there's a pesky "#" on the end" which isn't a good sign. Graham87 07:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea. I'll ask on the technical village pump if I can't figure it out soon - I can usually figure these tricky things out. Graham87 07:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

According to Help:Sorting #Limitations, missing columns could be our problem. But I checked for that and I'm sure there aren't any missing rows or columns. Empty ones are alright though. Graham87 07:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Good thinking 99! :-) I've removed that for now, but I think if it needs to be put back, put lots of "||"s after it for the empty cells. I've just received some braille books that I ordered nearly five years ago from the library (I'm not kidding!), so I might be away for a while. Graham87 07:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops. That shows the dangers of doing a global search and replace without thinking about the consequences. I was doing a search and replace of "Mar" for "3". That reminds me of when someone vandalised the swimming pool article back in Feb. 2007 by replacing "pool" with "poo". The next person to come along went ahead and replaced all instances of "poo" with "pool" to fix the vandalism. I, just a poolr sod, had to clean up the damage when I came back from a wikibreak. Graham87 13:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Demographics of Australia‎

Hi - given you have been doing a heap of the work in tagging articles, you might like to look at the latest topic I have raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Demographics of Australia‎ on importance. As well as tagging for |Demographics=yes we can also show relevance to the project and thereby highlight priorities for improvement with |Demographics-importance = top or similar. Suggested priorities with reference to pop numbers at project talk page. Thanks --Matilda ^talk 07:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Paprika

yet :-) --Matilda ^talk 01:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• I couldn't agree with you more but even starting with the numbers will be an improvement. Somehow for example we think that Filipino Australians are of low importance to the Australian wikiproject but there were over 100,000 residents of Australia born in the Philippines. I think the article needs some attention because the numbers are there. But I also think that Kosovar Australians are worthy of attention too even though their numbers are negligible :-) --Matilda ^talk 01:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I like to keep the talk page moving along - I feel as though I am talking to myself sometimes so I appreciate your feedback :-) Am I archiving too quickly? I feel if there isn't any response nobody is interested in pursuing but at least witht he summary they can see we have raised it before.

I just saw somebody offering a bot below I might put in a request if I can think it through. I would like the 91 sub categories fo Category:Australian people by ethnic or national origin tagged with {{WP Australia|class=cat|Demographics=yes}} Regards--Matilda ^talk 01:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding WP Energy project template

It is not weird that you haven't figured out what WikiProject Energy does with category talk pages because to my awareness there is no accepted style. My personal opinion is that category pages should be ranked in importance according to how broad the category is, but since there is no current standard, I will let you decide.--JEF (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Tirari Desert

Checking that catalog, I think you may be correct, in that there is not a whole lot written about it. What I meant by finding sources would be easy, is that there is only one Tirari Desert and all searches (by google, nla, local council libraries or whichever) would be relevant. Actually most of google searches for just the singular Tirari are related. I too prefer to add citations from books before google search results. - Shiftchange (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Night trackers

I thought that articles could not be nominated for speedy for suspicion of being hoaxes and the claim that there was a television series might be evidence of notability. Anyway I'm going on an 8 week European holiday tomorrow, so somebody else will have to look out for hoaxes.--Grahame (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Xfd

I agree that Google isn't the be-all and end-all and isn't very useful for things from non-English speaking countries or semi-obscure topics. However, it does provide a useful first approximation of notability for things like books, albums, etc, which generally aren't encyclopedic and who only belong here if they're reasonably famous. The NLA is an even worse measure of notability than Google as, by law, it has a copy of all books published in Australia so being in its collection doesn't mean that there's anything at all special about the book (for example, it has copies of obscure government reports I worked on, and they sure weren't notable). Nick Dowling (talk) 10:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: external Links

I'm probably assuming ur talking about the external links on the peterpan article?? anyways i felt they were redundant in the fact that it was a lyric translation site i mean c'mon ppl just can't google it??? its not really a wiki thing u know....--Heaven's Army (talk) 10:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Mystified by bot with javanese articles

Sorry to do this - but what exactly is the bot doing with WP EN Indonesian articles and WP Jav articles? Apologies if my inability to see what it happening is blindingly obvious to you SatuSuro 04:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

OK I have just worked it out - is that really necessary ? SatuSuro 04:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, can you give me a link to the issue? You seem to be upset but I do not see what this is about. -- Cat ^chi? 12:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah not upset in the slightest - the bot is adding accents to javanese place name links on indonesian articles in english wikipedia and it seemed so odd i was gonna try to work out why - if it makes somebody happy - who cares ? - it just seemed quite odd for a while - so really in the end a false alalm - i think - its just when i was trying to learn javanese i cannot remember accents in the western alphabet for javanese words - thats all -cheers - if it fits thats ok - SatuSuro 13:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Can you link me to one these changes. I think I may know why... -- Cat ^chi? 13:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

give me a minute or two if thats ok please SatuSuro 13:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hell my watch list is well over the average and is causing me problems - not long now SatuSuro 13:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjar%2C_West_Java&diff=216811808&oldid=209669164 see that one makes sense - its replacing a name damned clever too - but a few days ago there was an accent part to what it was up to - maybe not a good example though SatuSuro 13:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh those... The bot scans every individual wikipedia (full list) it operates on. Let me explain what the bot did. Bot noticed the following

• jv:Banjar Patroman does not exist.
• jv:Kutha Banjar does exist.
• jv:Kutha Banjar links to en:Banjar, West Java

Based on above input the bot updates pages

• Links on en:Banjar, West Java is updated like you pointed out
• Links on jv:Kutha Banjar is updated. It used to lack links to en, ms, nl, sv wikis.

Of course that isn't all.The bot added or updated pages on the following wikis to link to the correct page

• id.wikipedia
• ms.wikipedia
• nl.wikipedia
• pl.wikipedia
• su.wikipedia

This procedure is called interwiki linking.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Bulk edits

I noticed you make bulk edits like adding templates and categories. That is fine however I can help with the task using my bot :). All you need to do is tell me add what to which page or pages (like adding something to the talk page of all articles in a category). -- Cat ^chi? 14:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Deo Volente

Thanks. Hi, Anda asli orang Jawa? Namanya Jawa bangetsss. Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 01:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Jadi bukan orang Jawa. Tinggal di mana waktu di Jawa? Saya punya referensi yang menyatakan nama Sukarno adalah Achmed Sukarno. Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 08:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed from archive

I've tried to make recent edits, but they seem to be disputed. I've paid paticular attention to being neutral and factual, and have backed my edits up with references. Perhaps I am doing something that is not in accordance with Wikipedia's policy. If so could you please indicate how I might improve my edits? I would like the facts I have outlined to be included in Wikipedia somehow. Should I create a new entry for example? Time4this (talk) 06:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

RFA tomfoolery

It was no mistake, look closer! I feel that after all the nastiness on DHMO's RfA, a bit of light fun on a request that was headed towards promotion by acclamation was warranted. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC).

Outback

Thank you for mentioning about the strange reversions which have been made to the Outback article. I will check through the article itself, and also check what has been happening to the article with the reversions, and see if I am able to help. Cheers. Figaro (talk) 10:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Sometimes, I really wonder if other wikipedians would just pause and think about what other wikipedians had done so far in the betterment of Wikipedia itself as you had clearly noticed my effort and shown me something which I can remember by, thanks again. Cheers mate! Dave1185 (talk) 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

HtkWAw

Somehow I've ended up with all the first editions except Part IV (but my Part I is a '59 reprint), including the I-III paperback; and all the second editions except Part II. That adds up to three separate versions of Part I - what a waste of shelf space! Hesperian 01:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I've created another stub like this one that really needs some help. How do you explain sheer brilliance without gushing? Hesperian 05:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Triffids

I've tangled with Dan arndt before: we've been working on various ARIA HoFs since late last year, including: Hoodoo Gurus (and related band members), Australian Crawl, Daddy Cool, Ross Wilson and most recently I went to Dragon, Brian Cadd and Divinyls while Dan went to Russell Morris . We've been trying to get as many HoF articles up to, at least, B-class. I'm well aware that Dan was a substantial contributor to The Triffids. It was Dan's turn to choose which of the new inductees he'd work on... I'd do the other... You're more than welcome to help either of us to improve the ARIA HoF articles.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Finally one of the best bands from the West has achieved the true recognition that they deserve! The article on The Triffids has truely been a labour of love for me ever since I started editing on Wikipedia - the only thing lacking was my absences of references, which I will be rectifying shortly. Have previously sought feedback from Graham Lee only too clarify a few points - no 'original research' of course. Will add all the relevant updates regarding their ARIA Hall of Fame nomination/induction and any new quotes/references that come from the publicisation of their nomination. Dan arndt (talk) 06:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Watching/Sundry Times. . .

Was that just a slip? (:-) I toyed briefly with the idea of communicating my favourite title of affection The Slimes, but quickly perished the thought! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian

From time to time I wander. That article flew past in my recent changes. I've got no ambition to tackle the Indonesian WP in any major way ;) -- Longhair\^talk 06:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

YSantoso

Im sorry bruv, I dont get used to edit articles in wikipedia. Im not even sure if it's right to communicate with you using this thread, Im not quite active in wikipedia and Im totally blank about how things are supposed to be done around here.

However, I dont quite agree with you about Indonesian reference for wikipedia english because I think it's about Indonesian history. If just say someone from a poor remote country(I dont know, probably Samoa or Bhutan or anything) wants to write article about his country's history or culture or anything, do you think that they have to use english reference too while there's not many(or there isn't any) english references about it? Or do you think that if they want to use reference of their own language, they have to write article on their own nation's wikipedia while there hasn't been one? If u wanna talk bout walisongo, I think that Indonesian historians know more about it than western folks, and when they write books, only a few of them are translated to english. However, they can read english, but western historians couldn't read Indonesian.

Anyway, are u indonesian? because if you are then I dont have to squeeze my brain(and my dictionary) to write in english. (By the way, if ur indeed indonesian, the sand dunes on your photograph, is it Parangtritis?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoko santoso (talk • contribs) 15:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

YSantoso

Cool. although I dont quite understand what you mean by '- but you must sign.' but it doesnt matter I guess - I can send message to you this way anyway. Thanks for the advices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoko santoso (talk • contribs) 15:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Australian Mafia

Hi, Thought that this is a reasonably important subject and that even though I didn't have the time to write up amendments I could add some references off the top of my head that were relevant to assist some who might have time to write more if they knew a few places to look. It mightn't be pretty, but it at least added some relevant cross references, even if it was a bit of a grab bag. What was the name of the movie where Bryan Brown or his wife organised the hit on the visiting Americans who wanted to take over the pokies in the Cross? Cheers dinghy (talk) 13:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

Thanks, JarrahTree, for participating in my recent RfA, which recently passed with 81 support and 1 neutral !votes. I appreciate all the support and constructive criticism offered in my RfA and I thank you for taking the time to !vote in my nomination. I feel so honoured to be trusted by so many of you and please, if you have any advice, comments or complaints about my actions as an administrator, leave a note on my talk page. I would also like to thank Acalamari, Rlevse and Nishkid64, for their nomination statements. Thank you again. AngelOfSadness talk 23:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The Cliffe

Was thinking that given all the contraversy shown in respect to the dwelling that it potentially should be the subject of its own article - mainly relating to the handling by the State Government of dwellings on the State Heritage Register - as you've correctly identified this has all come down to $$ and the influence that people with $$ have on state politicans - I know that the Heritage Council fought long and hard to ensure this dwelling's retention and to have their opinion overturned by the politicans (with no real basis) at a late night hearing, where according to the press most politicans were no given any forewarning is outrageous. In answer to your question yes that would be great if you take a photo. You know an image of the house is contained with the picture of the front cover of The Black Swan. Dan arndt (talk) 02:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Your right about today's weather - should be better later this week. Will try and look at starting the article sometime this week. Dan arndt (talk) 02:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Have started work on article already - take a look The Cliffe and let me know what you think. Dan arndt (talk) 09:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Created the article, The Cliffe, so if you have a photo or two that you want to include for the article go ahead. Dan arndt (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently the issue of moving the dwelling was raised but its cultural/heritage signficance relates not only to the structure but also to its location & setting (ie the grounds/gardens of the house all form part of its listing). Dan arndt (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree - the whole issue of heritage is definetely biased towards the developer and the Heritage Act lacks teeth - in fact the Heritage Act has been up for review since 2000, I have had some invlovement in the review and have a number of contacts at the Heritage Council - its an area that I have been meaning to get invloved in (ie creating and enhancing some of the articles about western Australia' built environment) but I never seem to have the time - too much work and not enought wiki-time. Dan arndt (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Sunday Island

One shows up amongst the reserves at the ningaloo marine park (a non alpha list just loaded there) which must be the pilbara one SatuSuro 09:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

yep thats the pilbara one though if its inside ningaloo marine park that may be a better descriptive than Pilbara. Gnangarra 10:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

pipeline

arrggh!!! in a perfect american german accent from the late 60's "I see nothink, I know nothink". that siad ok will look intowit but will be after witching as I'm about to go read a book Gnangarra 10:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

and it due a follow up report as I heard a couple of reports about the area sustaining enviromental damage from the particulate matter released in the cloud mass of the fire. Gnangarra 10:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

a-hem!

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Satu Suro, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

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Seriously, just kidding--Merbabu (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and Wikipedia:Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you.

Please stop setting off the COI Bot's alarm system by editing your own article, Satu Suro, User:SatuSuro. Cheerio Sarah 13:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. I had the same problem when I, Hesperian, dared to write an article on the Esperance Plains. Hesperian 23:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's very sensitive. I didn't realise the bot was that sensitive. It's a wonder that Moondyne hasn't been picked up for his edits to Moondyne and Moondyne Joe. Hehe such a lovely image of User:Moondyne on the Moondyne Joe biography. I didn't know you West Aussies were still into wearing roo skin capes and carrying tomahawks around with you! You guys out West really are a different species to us civilised east coasters. ;D Sarah 01:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

He has I think. Hesperian 01:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Not sure about Gnangarra/Gnangara. Hesperian 01:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Sats, you can deny it all you like but I'm not buying it. I'm an administrinatoring type person on this here place and that means I can recognise an autobiographer when I see one! Sarah 01:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohmigwawd the talk page is blownout, I am forlorn at the incapacity of our local politicians to be able to withstand peppermint grove money over heritage issues, I am trying to get the courage to abuse a puppet to his face, my talk page is awash with admins who are making jokes at my expense, and i forgot to have breakfast :( SatuSuro 01:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

{{User:One/Title|Lusi}}

Methinks a change of page title is in order. Hesperian 01:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, joke's over; I'm surprised you didn't get that one. Lusi is the nickname of the Lumpur Sidoarjo, known to us Anglophones as the Sidoarjo mud flow. I figured since we were spewing mud all over your talk page, the rename was appropriate. Hesperian 02:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok I get it - slow today - the sidoarjo mud flow is not my favourite topic i must say SatuSuro 02:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Launceston, Tasmania

Thanks for your comments. I am aware that some of my work on this article really should be referenced a bit (especially the section about flooding landslips and air pollution!!). The edits I made all needed to be done, however, references or not. I may have a chance to insert references later on myself, or others might. In the meantime this is my hometown, and I do know of what I speak (hem hem). So I do feel we have substantial accuracy, which (dare I say) is even more important than copious (and hopefully relevant) footnotes. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 02:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Gee - the reply for that came through quickly! Or had you started it before?? One little thing I would love to fix but my knowledge of the phonetic alphabet isn't up to it. Most Australians pronounce the first vowel in our city's name as the vowel in "lawn" or "born" (a long vowel) - whereas the correct local pronunciation is the much shorter vowel as it "hot or "gone" (or even "lonny"). It would be cute to have both at the head of the article - pointing out which is correct!!--Soundofmusicals (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Eucalyptus oil

Hi SatuSuro. Thanks for contacting me before tweaking. No worries with tweaking. I'd be really interested to see how you tweak it up. Yeh, it's surprising just how much eucalyptus oil is produced outside of Australia. Apparrently Australian production dropped off after WW2. Anyway...cheers. Mossy.....John Moss (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I'm chase up some more citations. Do you think we should put the euc kinos & exudates on another page, and do a link to them? They are not really oils as such, but definitely worth a heading of their own...? or am I a pedant ..lol. John Moss (talk) 04:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

"Exudate art"? ...are you talking jewelery or paint?John Moss (talk) 04:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

lol...I was getting really curious. Ok ...a euc exudate art would be fun to research. I'll chase some refs on it.John Moss (talk) 04:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatuSuro. Thank you for the editing help. I was reflecting on the scale of importance of the euc art, and was wondering if mid level importance may be more appropriate. My logic is that while eucalyptus oil maybe of low importance in the West, it's used heavily in developing countries as a germicide where synthetic germicides are not available. In those situations eucalyptus oil maybe of high importance to perhaps 100s of millions of people. Also, it's multi-usefulness for pharmaceutical uses in most tiger balms and antibacterial lozengers. For comparison citronella oil is a similar usage level essential oil with important health functions as well. Just a thought. What do you think?John Moss (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Vickerizing and Golkar

Ya, guilty as charged: here in Jawa with a Vickers. The other stuff I brought is a good deal more esoteric, though I'll add some of it to WP where it works. True that Vickers is a Bali expert, but he's written a decent overview of the last 100 years. I don't see a problem with Vickers. I have my moments with him (I could cite a couple of horrid claims), but overall he's fine, particularly for WP. (And half of the historical pieces are nothing but long paraphrases of Ricklefs. Talk about issues!) Heck, the Indo WP pages are littered with the Lonely Planet guidebook! I may be in the ivory tower, but I gotta go with V. over the LP, unless I'm heading off for some R&R.

Anyway, the larger point is that I helped to revitalize the Golkar piece (which was a mess) and added only a couple of Vickers' comments about premanism. That's essential material: to omit the thuggery, ballot-box stuffing, bribery, and paternalism would be to completely misconstrue Golkar. In addition to the who/what/when/wheres of Golkar, WP must discuss its corruption and violence.

Again, perhaps I reveal my ivory-towered perspective here, but I've never read a work of scholarship which contradicts Vickers' assertions about Golkar's anti-democratic behavior. Hefner, Anderson, Stoler, Pemberton, Barker, Mrazek, Tsing, Rutherford... all the big guns corroborate. Vickers doesn't have a kind word for Golkar in the entire book: I don't think he'd mind one bit to see himself quoted as I've done. (Indeed, it would be easy to add a lot more nasty bits on Golkar from Vickers.)

Again, the bigger picture here is the large improvement of the Golkar page. One can quibble with the outcome, quotes, etc... But it's a marked change for the better. And such edits often spur others to join in the fun, with citations and additions of their own. There's still a lot of work to be done on old Golkar. Smilo Don (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Brudda, I'm not sure what you're questioning. OK---fair point: don't lean too hard on a synthetic and quick overview, a la Vickers. Ok, baik, bitul. In principle I agree. But when trying to get a WP art. off of life support, a source like Vickers helps a good deal. But I don't think you really want me to believe that you think critiques of Golkar's anti-democratic behavior are misplaced, do you? We could say that Golkar is a big thingy with a big history, and one shouldn't be careless about that... again, we'd agree there. But are you really doubting that premanism/KKN/etc. has a place in a WP article about Golkar?? Perhaps I'm not fully grokking your position. Smilo Don (talk) 08:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

unnecessary

Sorry but all cities, towns, villages and hamlets need a picture. I know some places are difficult to reach; your complaints are unnecessary.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop harrassing me or I will report you to an admin. I am doing useful work. Over and out.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:06, 21l June 2008 (UTC)

I am not convinced about that SatuSuro 01:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

burrup - flying foam

I am learning about this area for the first time. My focus was to look at the List of islands of Australia and then started a little linking and fixes on related pages. This is just miscellaneous housekeeping (to give me an excuse for not doing the actual housework). I hope to come back and do more changes. Stellar (talk) 01:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

fictional islands - I will definitely help here

Yes - that is a great idea. I came across a new article listing fictional theatres. The list was of fictional theatres that were found in movies - where the script called the theatre one name and the film used an real theatre. The concept is quite intriguing, almost Borgesque! Stellar (talk) 01:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

there are a series of possible groupings for this article -fictional where island is real, fictional where island is unreal, future fiction for projected future islands, past factual where islands no longer exist ... I know of examples of all four groups. The future fictional example - Burley Griffin projected the islands and the lake area for Canberra that would exist when they dammed the river. Stellar (talk) 01:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

bropho

Thank you for giving me your opinion on this. The policy links were useful and I am beginning to understand how this place works. However I do not agree that my contribution should be dismissed as a soapbox or grievance - everything is supported by verifiable sources. I believe it to be in keeping with the wikipedia motto: be bold.

My intention was to offer a contribution on the topic and to address a lack of balance. I accept that some material might be challenged, altered or deleted by other editors.

If you have an issue with the length of the article I would argue that this person has a long history as a controversial public figure in WA and the issues are very complex and require some background.

I will watch with interest to see what other editors have to say.

Nyungah (talk) 03:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Timor Gap treaty

But am completely mystified by putting the timor gap treaty as having anything to do with indonesian boundaries SatuSuro 02:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ultimately, it was a border treaty between Australia and Indonesia to close a gap in their common border during the period when East Timor was part of Indonesia. The fact that the border is no longer connected with Indonesia does not negate that fact, making it okay to be in that category.Slleong (talk) 09:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Dont be too hard on yourself. Your comment doesnt come close to that of the El Presidente's! Cheers.Slleong (talk) 09:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Tirari and IBRA info

The IBRA info I have just added doesn't quite agree though with Interim Biogeographic Regionalisation for Australia - I think it is the version numbers that is the problem. Our article is vn 6.1 and the WWF was 2001 so may be an earlier version and therefore the info needs to be updated.--Matilda ^talk 21:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Christianity in Indonesia

This is a small Category, it just needed a few articles moved to Sub Categories. Kathleen.wright5 12:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you do the protect for the talk page too please?

I looked at the page history for Wikipedia talk:Citing sources and did not see much vandal activity. Occasional problems should not result in protection based on the policy as I understand it. So I don't believe that the talk page should be protected at this time. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Farnarkeling

I was going to say this just before The Recent Unpleasantness broke out: You are grievously showing your age by referring to this archaic ritual. I'm showing mine by admitting that I know what you're talking about. I searched and found that someone tried to start an article on the subject but was speedily deleted. I saw that the ABC had a competition years ago to make a real game to go with the name. (The winners came up with something very clever and funny involving hopping about with a furry cushion clutched between your knees.) They then stiffed the winners; they'd run the competition without creating the prize first. It took a couple of years to do it and the guy who came to the studio and collected it showed very ill grace and acted all bitter and twisted, despite their apologies. Retarius | Talk 06:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence

Hello. I'm contacting you and other members of WikiProject Books in order to find if you are interested in collaborating to expand and improve The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence article to make it worthy of becoming a featured article candidate, in light of the fact that it is the first book the U.S. government ever went to court to censor before its publication. --Loremaster (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Easton affair

A while ago you made some comments about deficiencies in this article. Could you please review it and place your analysis on the article's talk page as to what needs to be done to make it kosher? Retarius | Talk 07:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

From Indonesia?

Hi SatuSuro, are you from Java? a Javanese? Michel mapaliey (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Happy first edit day!

Happy First Edit Day, JarrahTree/Archive 34, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

--Fireaxe888 (talk) 10:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

SBY presidency

Maybe you could record your thoughts on the talk page for SBY. I'm not going to roll out a history of SBY's presidency (I've only tracked him carefully when here, which leaves big gaps). I'm just thinking it makes more sense conceptually for WP. I'm really not invested in SBY or SBY on WP one way or the other.Smilo Don (talk) 08:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Now offline not responding for a while perhaps have fun SatuSuro 08:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Peace and love (and no, I'm not a Deadhead)

Hey mon, no need to spray insults and saliva my way. I'm interested in listening, respectfully, to someone who apparently has spent a lot mroe time in Indon. than I have. Such exchange can bear fruit. But tossing threats and insults my way (repeatedly) is just a bore. It makes you sound old, defensive, and bitter. You could choose to be learned and gracious. You're always free to add other cites or perspectives. But perhaps its easier to just add invectives?

I'd be really glad if, for example, you helped to flesh out Golkar. You could show, I suppose, the democratic leanings/acheivements of Golkar, if you can find any. Maybe with your long memory, you could really enrich Golkar. I'd never heard of Golkar until I first came here in the early 1990s, so I'd be more than happy if people with a much better grasp of Golkar could enrich WP.

You may scoff at my junior grasp of bahasa, Indonesian history, etc., but you have exposed serious intellectual deficits of your own. You seem to ignore (or dismiss) huge areas of Indonesian studies from the last 20 years. Or do names like Pemberton, Hadiz, Stoler, Anderson, and Heryanto mean nothing to you? The field is transforming in rapid and exciting ways: you might even learn a thing or two. In the meantime, let's keep it nice, okay?

(forgot to sign)

what?

Erm, what did I do wrong? I only remember adding reqphoto's to places in Tasmania...Zigzig20s (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Some may be difficult to take, but hopefully we will get there eventually.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Well then, that 'wasted' time is mine. Over and out?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Perth's Heritage Buildings

Have had a look at List of historic buildings in Perth, Western Australia which struck me as depressing as there was so many entries that didn't have any articles hence my reason for looking at changing that. For no reason apart from I was walking past the building last week - had a conference at the Parmelia - made me decide to start with The Cloisters, Perth as a starting point - probably could create it as an article now but want to add a few more references first. Dan arndt (talk) 05:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I was doing some anon. editing, when you invited me to get a username. I have one, thank you. But now that I have your attention, might I suggest scrapping List of historic buildings in Perth, Western Australia, and replacing it with categories, as I have done with Heritage buildings in Edmonton. Also perhaps you should combine Mining in Western Australia with info on other sectors of the economy to create a new and better Economy of Western Australia as I did with Economy of Alberta. Just some friendly suggestions, take them or leave them. Cheers, eh! --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 08:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand that you wouldn't want to make any drastic changes on your own, I mention them only so that people get a good idea of what editors working in similar situtations in a different part of the world are doing. Sometimes we don't realize how similar we are (and I think Alberta and WA are very similar), so that we work too hard on creating unique solutions to universal problems. Anyway, that's my two cents. If you have any suggestions in the same vein, please don't hesitate to enlighten me, even if I would have to check with Wikipedia:WikiProject Alberta, before acting on them. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 08:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow you now. With all the "xxxx"s it was hard to understand what you we're saying. Yes, I'm sure WA is very big. But who are calling ethnocentric? And what does that have to do with hertiage registers and economic sectors? I'm confused. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

These are good suggestions which Kevlar67 makes, particularly wrt the mining and economy articles. IMO, the List article is superior to a category because we can include a photo gallery, more info and include buildings which don't yet have an article. And we can still have a category. Moondyne 09:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Have to agree with Moondyne - if that list (List of historic buildings in Perth, Western Australia) didn't exist it probably wouldn't have started me off trying to fill in a lot of the 'red links' - just because they do it differently in Alberta doesn't mean that they do it better. Dan arndt (talk) 13:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The list was also a prompt for me to take photos, as for the mining article its way under developed. Gold, Nickel, Iron Ore, Asbestos, Bauxite and many other minerals not even listed in the article have had significant impact on the history and development of Western Australia. The article doesnt yet reflect that but once expanded each of the ones listed will warrant daughter articles. Gnangarra 14:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

...guano... Hesperian 02:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I found that categories work better for historic buildings better because if the list doesn't have strict inclusion guidelines it becomes bloated (see List of old Canadian buildings, which I am in the process of spliting into Oldest buildings in Canada by province or territory and Former tallest buildings in Canada by province and territory, and see also List of oldest buildings and structures in Toronto which is completely abitrary and bloated beyond reason). On the other hand if we set the inclusion criteria to match offcial government sources we do a lot of unnessisary duplication which is never as good as the original government source (see List of heritage buildings in Vancouver and List of designated heritage properties in Ottawa, or for that matter see List of U.S. National Historic Landmarks by state which is a gargantuan monstrosity).

As for mining, if you have enough material to warrant it, go right ahead. I just figured you would want to flesh out Economy of Western Australia first since it seems to warrant some attention. The industry of equivalent importance in Alberta is oil and gas or as we call it here, the "oil patch". What we've done is create a series of artilces on oil and gas history {{Canadianpetroleumhistory}}. I think that we've got it to the point where it could almost be a wikibook. I wouldn't want you to think that's all we'e done, though, there's also Athabasca Oil Sands, Energy policy of Canada, etc. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 16:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Mining tags

No problem. Black Tusk 02:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Wigwams?

A connection with Sir Les Patterson - really? That should be in the article! And are you referring to his mate Bazza? I didn't know he was mates with Bazza ... --Matilda ^talk 07:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thinking about it of course he is friends with Bazza! Wiktionary runs to fair suck of the sauce bottle but nothing about whips - there is obviously scope ... for an improvement in tone if nothing else! What would Dame Edna say?--Matilda ^talk 07:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Javanese and Sundanese - "origins"...

I was looking through the Hadiayana issue and picked up something I hadn't noticed before. He seems to have issues with a section in Sundanese called "origins" that I (and maybe you) tried to get in there. I now see he's taken it to mean that the Sundanese aren't native to Java; further, since we (ie, the two terrorists) haven't made the same edit in Javanese people, we are somehow implying the Javanese are native and Sundanese are not. *rolls eyes*. Anyway, that explains my edit at Javanese people. --Merbabu (talk) 10:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

1. I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
2. I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnW^talk 13:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied at users talk - sorry and no thanks SatuSuro 04:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Found on my user page

Dear SatuSuro,

Ok. I understand. But I think that the article is not different from D.Bor's book.

Yours,

Enerelt

Crime

No current criminl articles (yet)! Moondyne 05:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC) No - no thanks - SatuSuro 07:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Your thoughts.

I need your thoughts on Hume Highway#Freeway Section Exits & Intersections which I left my thoughts on the articles talk page Talk:Hume Highway#Freeway Section Exits & Intersections. Bidgee (talk) 07:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

History project

The Quill proposed restyling at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History#Restyle. No one explicitly consented to it, although no one dramatically disagreed with it. He then instituted the changes. Later in that section, Phoenix-wiki disagreed, and I supported him, actually making a clear statement for the first time. The Quill seems to hold the belief that the lack of explicit agreement was somehow a consensus, which it was not. Now at least two of the senior editors have disagreed, but he evidently either hadn't noticed that or chose to ignore it. John Carter (talk) 14:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

POV

Yes, there's a lot of it, some of it obvious, some less so. I'm not so much the one to go round cleaning things up, I prefer to make little stubs, but when I see something I'll get out the broom. If there are any things you'd like help with let me know! Mostlyharmless (talk) 03:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Oink oink

Yes, I'll be around for a while. Waiting for somebody to send me a boring article that needs translating. What stub do you mean? I hope it's not Western Australian Young Liberals!! Davidelit (talk) 05:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

The promise

OK fair enough. Yikes it seems busy in there. Also a few COI warnings to go along with it. Graham87 05:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Reminder to self another promise not kept :( -

Maybe something like Wolfe, Adam. Title The Albany maritime heritage survey, 1627-1994 / prepared for the Heritage Council of Western Australia, the Albany Port Authority and the Albany Maritime Heritage Association by Adam Wolfe. Published [East Perth, W.A.] : The Council, 1994. 239, [26] p., [47] p. of plates (some folded) : ill., maps, plans ; 30 cm. Note "December 1994". Bibliography: p. 197-239.

McCarthy, Mike, 1947- Title The archaeology of the jetty : an examination of jetty excavations and `port-related structure' studies in Western Australia since 1984. Published 2002. Descript'n phots. Summary Examines excavations of the Fremantle Long Jetty and Albany Town Jetty. Subject Jetties -- Western Australia -- Fremantle. Jetties -- Western Australia -- Albany. Underwater archaeology -- Western Australia. Albany Town Jetty (W.A.) Long Jetty (Fremantle, W.A.) Found in Bulletin of the Australian Institute for Maritime Archaeology, Vol. 26, 2002, p. 7-18, and so on

got to get it SatuSuro 09:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes

As you have noticed I've been completing the list of current MLA's in WA, I was using a person infobox but have now swapped to an MLA infobox, I guess the MLA one is more appropriate.

Is there any easy way to change one from the other do you think?--Hughesdarren (talk) 09:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

The Cliffe

Am not particularly fussed - probably too many headings for my liking - but in saying that don't bother changing it on my opinion - saw another article on the building in the weekend's Subiaco Post - mainly interview with McComb's parents (included a copy of a poem by David McComb about the house) - will see how I can fit it into the article - have changed its status to 'B' - what do you feel is it warranted? Dan arndt (talk) 01:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough - will try and some more about the built form of the building and its uniqueness. Dan arndt (talk) 01:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

SE Asia project...

You may be interested in this. I think this guy wants to add anything in the Indonesia project (and Vietnam, Malaysia, etc) to the South East Asia project.

That’s a nightmare. --Merbabu (talk) 06:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I never went away :-)

Aren't you going to shout at me for...something? :-) Davidcohen (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

North Coogee

Saw your comments about South Fremantle and had to agree with you the article needed re-working - looking at it closer however I found that all the material didn't actually relate to South Fremantle but related to development that occurred accross the border in the City of Cockburn within the suburb of North Coogee, for which no article existed. I have since rectified the situation, using a lot of the information from South Fremantle - which leads me to a problem in that the article on South Fremantle would be basically non-existent. At this stage I don't have the time to do any work on it but thought you might.... all this because I was looking up the South Fremantle Power Station - who figures... Dan arndt (talk) 08:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Not so familar with the rail aspect but can research Robb jetty and the power station etc (maybe even work up a few respective articles). The South Fremantle article however really needs to focus on the area south of the Fishing Boat Harbour through to South Beach. There is a lot of history in this area that hasn't been touched on & then there is the 'three harbours' proposal which has hit the local press recently... - so much to do <sigh> Dan arndt (talk) 08:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't quite work out the fancsination that people have with railways - anyway looks like you have your work cut out for you there - will see what I can do about South Fremantle but like you it will take some time to get around to it. Dan arndt (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Just dropped in to say thanks and hello: [28] --Bhadani (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Tone

Actually, what was at the back of my mind was that I had done you an injustice. That's what I was "stewing over" and that's why I reverted those remarks I made. I'd be perfectly happy to have them deleted from the history file too. I was sleep-deprived from night work when I wrote that stuff to you and that's always a danger. The simple truth is, I can't be bothered reading all this policy material. I thought good faith should be enough to split off the POV material and frankly, I'm coming to the conclusion that the whole thing's too hard. I like my hobbies to be stress-relieving, not stress-generating. Now someone's been rubbishing me behind my back and I can't even get a straight answer as to what's been said. What burns me is this allegation of POV pushing. I just thought I was writing in an interesting, entertaining way. If you've seen my blog you know what I can say when I want to be directly insulting. That Lawrence article was deadlocked and going nowhere till I had a go at it. Sure, I detest her. I don't like Hitler, Napoleon Bonaparte or a whole bunch of others either. I'm genuinely willing to put my feelings about the subjects aside. If I've breached some rule it's because of a lack of technical knowledge, not bad faith. Retarius | Talk 08:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem is, mate, I don't know enough facts about rocks, trees, etc. to write constructively about them in this context. I read this site for a long while before finding something where I thought I could make a contribution. Apparently not. Retarius | Talk 09:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

kerklunk

As the branch falls - yes I wonder if it is a myth or not. As I said on the note on the talk page all the incidents I could find in recent times were to do with storms. Along a street near where I live are planted some brittle gums I think - they used to drop limbs and are now being replaced - more research needed and probably as you say species specific but not for storms - not limited to eucalypts either I think for storms casualties --Matilda ^talk 02:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hello! I guess I did not add something wrong. And the fact I tried to write was not lie. Regards,--Enerelt (talk) 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry. I don't want you to be mad over it. --Enerelt (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Please help me to improve my skill. Thank you. I don't understand why you are angry with me.--Enerelt (talk) 06:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. I think that Javanese souces are more like legend or story. So you are right. But please see Yuan shi. It is different. Rashid also stated about the java briefly.--Enerelt (talk) 09:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Not going to die in a ditch

• Not really in support but will put up with it having objected first. My watchlist too - hence conversation at User talk:Mayumashu Commons/Archives/2009/September#Incomplete CfD? - the debate still isn't up I think. But note Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 May 28#Argentines, Czechs, East Timorese, Ecuadorians, and Danes by ancestry / national origin --Matilda ^talk 01:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Got to admire the effort Special:Contributions/Mayumashu! --Matilda ^talk 01:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I know what you mean - its too big sometimes ... in this case I think it is aiming for consistency - it isn't actually really wrong so - maybe ... Do you think wikipedia needs an article on ditch dying? Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus (consul 32 BC) was on about the subject in Antony and Cleopatra Act 4 scene 6 - [29] ?--Matilda ^talk 01:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I just saw this. I've posted at Mayumashu's talk page asking that he get a wriggle on. Moondyne 01:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• We are up and running at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 June 20 but the suspense has killed me and I haven't the energy for any pearls of wisdom. AAAGH - another article waiting for creation --Matilda ^talk 02:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Australians by ethnicity/nat. origin

Hello. A rename nomination is being put together and 80 or so items are presently being tagged for it. The nomination is to change 'Fooian(-)Booian' to 'Booians of Fooian descent' to fall in line with a recently asserted naming convention that has gained support in alike nominations in the last few months at WP:Cats for discussion, for Category:German people by ethnic or national origin, Category:Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin and another 15 or so countries Mayumashu (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

hmmm

The Robert Bropho article has gotten extremely interesting these last few days. Hesperian 03:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• This user immediately reverts wiki love messages (or similar) on sight - take that whichever way you like

B log at eucalypt

My regional bias there - there are so many red links at the list of ukes - the coldness of perth of recent inspired memory of the deep dark autobiographical past and driving through lyell highway tas at 3 am to get back to queenie and passing the eucs in the snow :) - but hey the whole euc thing could be project unto itself - but life is so short anyway :) SatuSuro 03:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, there are a lot of missing species articles. WikiProject Eucalypts has a ring to it! After seeing the work a few dedicated editors can do over at WP:BANKSIA, I think anything's possible. Good work and keep it up! Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 11:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Template fiddling

Not sure what you mean mate? The only recent fiddling I've done with the WP:AUS template is the addition of Category:List-Class Australia articles. Is something broken? -- Longhair\^talk 22:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

wikilove

The best way to avoid receiving that particular form of Wikilove is to remove your moniker from Wikipedia:Birthday Committee/Calendar/June/25. Hesperian 00:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• Belated happy 1st edit day from me too ;-) --Matilda ^talk 00:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Based on your stated preference I have removed you [30] --Matilda ^talk 00:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Quack quack

• The antithesis of wikilove - see you would much rather have wikilove than wikiabuse - I was quite slow - I saw the weird edit at 3RR calling for me to be hung drawn and quartered or boiled in oil or something ... that was then undone for no reason and then I asked the ? in innocence and then realised that the ? was the answer ... Silly chap - I thought the cricketing user name was a great one - that incident for which I stopped watching cricket would never have happened with Lillee and Marsh - oh they were there too :-) A Pox on all their Houses - a user name but yet to be an article --Matilda ^talk 01:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Easton affair

Perhaps I misunderstood your comments on my talk page under the heading "In-article cites"; I thought you were also disputing the factuality of material in the Easton article, not merely the absence of cites (which I'm going to try to remedy). I can see that the apparent causality link between "media attention" and the suicide should go, but is there anything else you would object to? Also, can you shed light on the issue of the surname by which the deceased should be called (please see my comment on the Carmen Lawrence talk page)? Retarius | Talk 08:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi my friend!

Are you from Java or somewhere in Indonesia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enerelt (talk • contribs) 08:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Denmark

Hello SatuSuro. Being quite new at Wikipedia and being a native Dutch speaker (English is my second language), I would ask you to help me by making clear to me what exactly you want to tell me regarding my cites. Thanks. Bert BaroBert (talk) 09:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Daftar...

[31] --Merbabu (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Today's humour...

...or groan-inducment, depending how you chose to react:

• Sultanate of Sambas

regards --Merbabu (talk) 03:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Are all those red links actual, real people? --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The Eucalypti hardwood timbers ONLINE

Thanks for the link! I placed it to Eucalyptus globulus. Krasanen (talk) 10:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Indonesia-related pages

I do feel comforted ... --Bhadani (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I shall tread with utmost care. --Bhadani (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

answered...

Hello, JarrahTree. You have new messages at Travellingcari's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Far North

I am not familiar with the regions of South Australia so I will take your word for it. I accepted the wider definition of the region from the article and fleshed it out with the help of a map. I had to finish that edit abrubtly so I didn't get to add some of the more well known towns in the region. Anna Creek station and Marree Man should probably be mentioned and if you know the commonly held view of the regions borders that would be useful.

I assumed somebody watching WP:OCEANS would see a short message about the WP:ACOTF if it got nominated and be able to help out. I'm not aware of how active the project is but I did notice they have a lot of work to do. I thought the low number of articles in the assessment table was due to the project being young but maybe, as you point out, there aren't many active editors at the moment. I don't put a great deal of thought into picking nominations, I just add one I would prefer to work on if the choices listed are not of my liking. I am pleased with the way Tirari Desert has come along. - Shiftchange (talk) 04:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Commons

Poke - you need to log in. —Giggy 13:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Female Indonesian Politicians

Fair comment; I was acting on a request from a mutual acquaintance who is himself involved in the Indoneasi project. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

oh dear

Quite! And, since it seems we may be facing moves to suppress documentation of the WA Inc abuses, I guess it's now one's duty to collate material to beef up what remains "notable', e.g., WA Inc and maybe People for Fair and Open Government, Professor Patrick (Paddy) O'Brien and eventually get Bevan Lawrence back. Paddy himself is quite a a rich source--

• (Ed.) O'Brien, P and Webb, M The Executive State—WA Inc & The Constitution Constitutional Press, Perth (1991): ISBN 0646048759
• O'Brien, P The Saviours: An Intellectual History of the Left in Australia
• O'Brien, P Constitutional Conflict in Australia
• O'Brien, P The Liberals: Factions, Feuds and Fancies
• O'Brien, P The Burke Ambush: Corporatism and Society in Western Australia
• O'Brien, P Burke's Shambles: Parliamentary Contempt in the Wild West

But so, too, is Brett Christian's Post stable. I can't even remember what year I went to Paddy's funeral, or how old Martyn Webb would be if he's still alive, but I'll be damned if all their work is going to be dismissed as non-notable, or derivative, pah! I think I'll get in touch with Hal again, too. Haven't seen him since Sanderson's peculiar 1995 oration The unkindest cut (Charlie Court was there, too!) Cheers Bjenks (talk) 09:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Both Paddy O'Brien and Post Newspapers should have an article in my view. Have to be careful about using works advocating a strong point of view in articles about things other than their author though. I'm facing that challenge now with some of my more obscure articles, as it turns out one of my intended sources is a radical in the field and much of his synthesis flies in the face of contemporary constitutional understanding. (FTR - I've set myself the challenge of fixing up some of our articles on general political topics, as most of them are a shameful mess as people have generally focused on bios and events at the expense of conceptual framework...) Orderinchaos 08:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree with all of that but, having seen the sensitivities, I guess it's best to hold off for 20 years or so until all those characters are dead. I'll leave a codicil in my will, eh?! Meanwhile, the above reading list is recommended as a starter.(;-) Bjenks (talk) 05:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

None of this even touches the Indonesian project nightmare - I may just forget about my homestate for a while and ponder a prject full of more holes than well in john lennons great one holes in blackburn lancashire or was it the albert ahll? who cares im not touching was pollies for a while - ill watch only SatuSuro 06:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Kecak

You're welcome. Hyacinth (talk) 10:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration

It was just a thought whipped up in my sense of enthusiasm - just a thought... Dan arndt (talk) 04:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from - I have all these good intentions as to things I am going to achieve but there is always something else that jumps at or I get sidetracked - am quite happy to keep plugging away when I have the time on the various articles that I think there is a need for. Dan arndt (talk) 04:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought that a good earthquake might rock your world :D 09:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Indigenous Australians

Hey if editors went in and reverted spaces of articles because of inactive/not acted upon unreferenced tags - whole parts of wikipedia would vanish tommorrow :)

If you feel you are following a specific wikipedia policy - please feel free to cite it very specifically at the article talk page at the - and try to consider whether such wholesale removal of material from an article might not need some warning first - also you need to wait for a while because there is no guarantee that editors will respond in a short time on such an issue.

Please feel free to discuss at the article talk page - and where possible please indicate where such removal of material ideas come from SatuSuro 12:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I will assume from your smiley face that you would be happy if "whole parts of wikipedia" did vanish tomorrow.

I did in fact post previously, around 3 or months prior to the deletion incident, to warn other editors (or should I say authors) about the swathes of unreferenced garbage that filled the paragraphs of the article in question.

I also added many "fact" tags questioning the factuality of the above mentioned garbage.

Since, after many months, there was no response to my warnings and no effort to amend the article or attach appropriate references, I acted according to Wikipedia policy and common sense. Note that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Unsourced_material:

If a particular claim in an article lacks citation and is doubtful, consider placing after the sentence or removing it. Consider the following in deciding which action to take: 1. If a claim is doubtful but not harmful to the whole article or to Wikipedia, use the tag, but remember to go back and remove the claim if no source is produced within a reasonable time.

OzWoden (talk) 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

• Missed the point totally made at the Indigenous Australian article - specially in the style and manner of reply there - as a consequence no longer interested in responding at all. SatuSuro 12:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not further interested - it was a suggestion of a way of looking at things - you have misinterpreted the intent of the earlier messages and as far as I can see you not have taken up the suggestions made - cheers SatuSuro 12:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:OzWoden"

Thankyou for your courteous reply.

I don't care for your tone. You seem to think anyone should adopt your suggestions merely because you suggested them. I am however pursuing more productive and acurate methods of improving Wikipedia articles.

Please take some time to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indigenous_Australians#removing_unreferenced_material

OzWoden (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

what a lot of crap

Such a nice clean userpage. Such a shame to deface it... If you're around later today, there's a lot of category tagging to be performed. Every red link at the footer of Template:WP Australia/testcases needs a category, and subsequent category talk page tagging for our project. I'm going to make a start on the categories in a few hours if they're still uncreated. For now, real life calls, but I'll be back before too long. -- Longhair\^talk 23:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Please

In view of what I have said above when i find the following - oh dear we have a very very serious issue here - would you like to have a three page email or do you want a three (five) word summary?

though I'm tempted to simply replace List of universities in Indonesia with it's id:Daftar perguruan tinggi negeri di Indonesia Indonesian version

Please dont doit -

SatuSuro 05:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please not that an WP EN Indonesian project exists - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia- and that I have placed a comment there - if you ever have the slightest itch to suggest or propose such a move you must place a comment there before doing it as it is a major issue and requires a considerable time lag to wait for comment as some of the editors are not there every day by any stretch of the imagination due to real life commitments . 05:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• "you must place a comment there" I don't think a project on Wikipedia can require that someone check in there before editing pages. Particularly pages that are as poorly written as List of universities in Indonesia. Not sure the big deal, while I am tempted, I probably can't be bothered. Nfitz (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Not interested? - no big deal - clearly you dont seem interested in the issue - well thats fine - cheers SatuSuro 22:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I didn't say I wasn't interested. Nfitz (talk) 23:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
      • I would have thought that comments at the AFd would have been sufficient explanation as to what the issues are SatuSuro 00:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
        • The comments at the AFD seemed to go on about red links (not sure the issue there, just don't put a link so text is black), and cross-linking the two different Wikipedias (which I don't understand why anyone was discussing, as I don't think anyone had proposed). Nfitz (talk) 00:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
          • I'm not involved in this situation, but I'd note that the guideline Use English, which for this purpose is authoritative, would seem to militate against foreign language names for common items in all but the most exceptional cases in article names. Translation of articles from other language variants when our own are weak is of course encouraged, but it should be noted that transwikied articles are not immune from speedy deletion and other forms of censure applied to new articles on English Wikipedia which fail to meet basic standards (see speedy deletion criteria and regular deletion notes). Also, the need to build consensus for contentious changes is a core policy of the encyclopaedia and one ignores it at considerable peril. Orderinchaos 00:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I am trying to explain that the WP Indonesia EN does not need the looking good comprehensive list of Universities in Indonesia from WP IN Indonesia - as it simply encourages list making which is an endemic dead end process in the WP EN Indonesia as the - in most cases - editors are adding materials of either red links or links to actual locations or places that are connected - as their english is insufficient to actually contribute - unless they either utilise copyvio or non native english - so the project has become littered with articles and lists of grey and red links due to ad hoc additions that are never pursued further. Fellow WP EN Indonesia project editors at the relevant afd are well aware of the issue and were discouraging the existence of grey link or red link lists. It is an issue that will never go away and indeed has driven some editors off wikipedia after trying to cope with the issues that stem from this SatuSuro 01:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I get what you mean. Yeah, I generally think redlink lists which encourage creating articles which would be speedied under our policies is not a good development - I see it in the areas I work in with local councils and the like (people actually create red links to each and every councillor, who could never meet the biography standard of notability unless, for example, they became involved in a major corruption scandal, which then seems to flag BLP issues of its own.) Orderinchaos 01:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The intrinsic difference between a red link in WP EN and WP IN is that there is an assumption that on english wikipedia - some day some person will come and fix it up and make an article - the other wikipedia - a red link is a talisman, goggleable and hey its there! and never developed - but to do a WP:DUCK on that and spell it out at the project is tantamount to white anting the possibility of any AGF for the few eds remaining in that project SatuSuro 01:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Heath O’Loughlin

Thank you for you precious contributions to this article! I have reverted your latest change, the DEFAULTSORT keyword is here to place the person's name alphabetically, concensus is that apostrophes don't count there. Thanks again! -- lucasbfr ^talk 09:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I admit I thought you were a brand new user, the mistake's all mine ;) -- lucasbfr ^talk 11:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Back soon

Real life issues aplenty here too at the moment mate. Give me a day or two and I'll be back into the swing. -- Longhair\^talk 21:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

School holidays my end too mate... :) -- Longhair\^talk 00:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've made a start. Check my recent contributions for a snapshot of my activity. -- Longhair\^talk 03:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Your contributions have not gone unnoticed :) Touché... -- Longhair\^talk 08:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Try kidding goats over your holidays... I'm sure we could arrange an agreeable swap :) -- Longhair\^talk 09:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll invite you over for a visit sometime mate. Bring your gumboots :) Email me... -- Longhair\^talk 09:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My landlord is a pilot. My herd has four legs. Anything can happen... -- Longhair\^talk 09:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

1995 bombing of the French Consulate in Perth, Western Australia‎

I'm sure it's probably on your watchlist, but just in case, I've expanded this article with references. I've tried to make it "fair and balanced", but I know that statement's also used by FOX News, so doesn't mean much! Please let me know if there's anything I can improve, I don't normally get involved in such BLP and politically sensitive articles. I've also asked Hesperian using the same copy-pasted message. :) Somno (talk) 04:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

sorry

sorry about the NA/cat thing. wasn't sure for a while. fine to change etc :)Nengscoz416 (talk) 09:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Java and random things

Yeah cats and stubs can be a messy business, whether of the Wikipedian or natural variety. I don't delve into them too much unless I have to. All that happened is that the article was at the "Java island" title, and in the days before the move function, someone did a cut-and-paste move on it. There's no need for the WikiProjects to be concerned about it. I've been doing a lot of history merging in Australian articles ... one of the very early Aussie editors did a lot of cut-and-paste moves before we had a move function, and it turned the histories into a mess. I can't find the very early edits of Canberra or Queensland anywhere, not even in anyone's deleted contribs ... some of them are available at Nostalgia Wikipedia, but they've gone down the English Wikipedia gurgler. I decided to pick on Java because I knew there was some (IMO totally unfounded) controversy about its title, so I thought the history could be in a million different places. Luckily it's not. I'd even except an expansion of an article as part of our deal ... I just like gnawing on newly-written articles. Graham87 10:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• Re: your comments to Graham87, it looks like a certain editor might need a slap with a wet fish ;) Grutness...wha? 01:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

re: Outsider needed

Sure, I'd be happy to have a look at them. I'm certainly not an expert on the Indonesian military, but I'm not totally ignorant of the topic so I might be able to help. Nick Dowling (talk) 06:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. I've just enabled the email feature (I think), so feel free to email me. I haven't used the email feature before... Nick Dowling (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

WA counties etc

The ANZAC spirit lives on! My interest in Aussie counties relates to genealogy: http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Australia at present, but NZ is on the programme. Now late to bed again... Robin Patterson (talk) 15:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rivers and Mountains

Terima kasih for your advice! What should we do...delete the article, merge it into the general all-of-Indonesia lists? Or should I keep working on it, only change Tukad and Danau to River and Lake? By the way, the information I have about length I found out myself, using Google Earth's Path tool. Probably not completely accurate, but I did say "approximately" most of the time. Any other information I either know myself, having lived in Bali for four years, or found out from Periplus' Street Atlas of Bali.

MythCreator (talk) 10:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

intriguing

Twoz nothing more than one got snagged on a shag when one should have just been a snag, oh all that ink wasted on extending the n to a h, quick stop the presses correct the spilling. Gnangarra 13:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

moderation

Thanks for your concern. I know all too well the danger of wikipedia addiction, although my worst episode was a combination with Freebase when I went from midnight to noon. Fortunately it's uni holidays at the moment, and I've plucked most of the low-hanging rerating fruit. TRS-80 (talk) 07:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Just making a few touch-ups to make navigation easier. I was going to reclassify the templates, portals and disambiguation pages in Category:NA-Class_Western_Australia_articles but I guess there's no real need. TRS-80 (talk) 09:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Art Deco Buildings

thanks for adding the references - one day I might get around to creating articles for them. I didn't add the Emu Brewery as the building no longer exists (otherwise could have readers searching for the building in r/l) - was thinking about adding a comment about those buildings that had been demolished but didn't have the time/know where to start/what to include etc. Dan arndt (talk) 07:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Have left it on the list but added a comment that the building has been demolished. Dan arndt (talk) 08:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that would be a 'huge' task to take on - happy to leave with the comment - was thinking of adding both the Metro and Plaza Theatres both since demolished as well. Dan arndt (talk) 09:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Will have to have a good look at the Plaza Arcade next time I'm in Perth to see whether there is any remmnants of the old theatre or art deco influences - am pretty certain it was 'done up' recently which means that there will probably be nothing remaining. Can't recall anything about the Metro though. Dan arndt (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Aus Antrhops

Don't get me started on another new area! I did a little tidying up of Dianne Bell cos I have a personal interest. I'll leave the rest to others I reckon!Sterry2607 (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

West Australian wine regions

Is a bit of a worry in its current state - firstly the title is incomplete ('ern). Do you think there's any likelihood of it being improved? Moondyne 03:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Now here is a subject that I can appreciate - another region is the Chittering Valley/Gingin area (there is about half a dozen wineries in the area). Dan arndt (talk) 09:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. P'raps it needs some research. I'll look at this sometime. Moondyne 01:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Honorifics

I agree with you about honorific removal - there needs to be a consistent standard but this shouldn't be used to drive people off the project because they feel their beliefs are disrespected. The Islam pages are mostly in order with honorifics now - PBUH appears only in quotations, and 'the Prophet" is generally used only where appropriate. There are still real problems with images showing Muhammad - there's usually a consensus to keep them but not much effort to discuss this with those that want them removed. I can't imagine how many potential editors were driven away by the Black Stone picture - I don't agree wth censorship but the picture isn't exactly essential to the article and could have been removed without losing the meaning of the page. We've kept it but I think there was a little bit of POINTyness in that decision.

Sorry if you thought I was suggesting removing honorifics without considering other's feelings. Rules and neatness are important, but not to the point of offending people. Euryalus (talk) 07:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

***

Sent an email response to your last message. Dan arndt (talk) 09:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian football articles

Hello. Which do you say about? Please give the examples concretely. I will cite the sources if you does so. -Dj nix (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You said that Most of the stadium stubs dont have any refs at all, You means the stadiums in Indonesia, huh? There's the examples of indonesian football stadiums as Mulawarman Stadium, Delta Stadium, Surajaya Stadium, Siliwangi Stadium, Persiba Stadium, Lebak Bulus Stadium, Brawijaya Stadium, Mandala Stadium, Benteng Stadium, Pendidikan Stadium, Jatidiri Stadium, Mattoangin Stadium, Teladan Stadium, and Teladan Stadium. Those majority were written by Patken4. Moreover, He begins to write the stadiums all over the world without refs at the first. Did you send him the same message as sent to me? Is there no adherence to WP:NPA either, If you don't do so. Anyway I would be able to cite the sources for all indonesian football stadiums. It's not easy way. But I want to say you that You have to say somebody who made lots of articles without refs before talk to me. -Dj nix (talk) 07:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I would like to cite the sources for all indonesian football articles. and let's improve those articles! -Dj nix (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian articles

I don't know to which articles you are referring exactly. Just take note that in the main article we must have categories like: xxxx births, xxxx deaths, year of birth missing, year of birth missing (living people). Categories like: place of birth missing, date of birth missing, should be placed in the talk page. If the person is tagged as living then the last two categories should be replaced with place of birth missing (living people), date of birth missing (living people). I hope this explanation is satisfying. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

re

Thanks also. No worries! Mario1987 18:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Re Gawd

Yes, but this merger was sparked by the archaic folly of Tactical Response Group which caused an unsigned contributor to suddenly create a new WA page (which itself contained massive internal duplication). How many separate articles do these guys want? WA has one for the pipe band but not the Air Wing. The TRG is really quite small in factual content and there must be considerable benefit in wrapping up the organisation as a whole. I would urge folk in other states to just do the same thing, which would surely be a great favour to WP readers. NSW should be the first, so we could delete or merge that nostalgic TRG page. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Cats

As far as I can tell, everything category-wise is ok now. If there's anything amiss I'm sure it'll come out in the wind and be adjusted accordingly. What works today may not work tomorrow in this wiki world :) -- Longhair\^talk 06:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

No dramas. School holidays take their toll here at times too. -- Longhair\^talk 06:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've seen the hive of activity over at WP:WA of late. A team of dedicated editors you blokes are indeed. I've never really spent much time with importance ratings in the past. All systems are go for the relevant sub-projects to be assessed for importance but to be honest I've never spent any time doing it myself. -- Longhair\^talk 06:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

As long as you WA guys set the standards, the rest of us can only follow :) -- Longhair\^talk 06:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Very quick with the tagging today mate. That category was still warm I'm sure :) -- Longhair\^talk 02:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hehe. You got a chuckle from me there :) -- Longhair\^talk 03:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The MILHIST project is comparable in size to ours. I guess it takes them some time to come full circle. Speaking of full circle, I'm spending some time moving Stubs to Starts, Starts to C, and whatnot. Seeing a C-Class went ahead we may as well get our side of the fence somewhat accurate. I notice you WA guys have made a start already... -- Longhair\^talk 03:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing to stop you helping now!

Should I propose it as a WP:AUSDEM collaboration to encourage you to help now? That stuff on the WA camp sounds good - I am far too eastern-states focus and need some balance. Should be lots of stuff around on links to the Snowy. My grandfather was recruited to Austrlaia post war as an enemy-alien - it was much friendlier than it sounds - the Australian government went to Germany scouting for people with skills and were quite generous in many ways in their recruitment benefits. He was a cartographer. Regards--Matilda ^talk 06:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

• I promise you won't be working on it alone except I won't get to it this weekend. You may enjoy the change from being a WikiGnome for a time :-) --Matilda ^talk 06:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

F**ian B**ian

I will throw myself off a bridge before I use such an awful, ugly, completely unnecessary term as 'fooian'. (except in cases like this) --Helenalex (talk) 10:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Psychic?

Either you're a psychic, or you watch the rollback user rights log like a hawk :) You don't happen to have next week's Powerball numbers by any chance? :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder what Wikipedia looks like to for the rest of us you know. I'm certain we all make use of this website in vastly different ways. Every time I turn my back it seems another editor has another feature I'm yet to be made aware of. Old age is creeping up mate. Makes it hard to remember what I did yesterday let alone today. -- Longhair\^talk 08:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that's creepy. Your edit summary just gone by almost replicates mine. Psychic? Or a good liar :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You're a few hours ahead of me. Maybe that explains it :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I've only got 1 mate. I'll pass on more just now... -- Longhair\^talk 08:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Longhair has his hair. Those around me are suffering :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Gone. No need to mention foxes mate. We had one here today. The chooks are long gone :( -- Longhair\^talk 08:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm bold, not bald :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Template strife

Are you any good at templates? I can't seem to make the website bit of the Template:Infobox Indonesian Political Party appear. I am in the middle of trying to sort out the pages on Indonesian political parties, but I'm stuck. And now I've got to go to bed. Any help greatly appreciated as I want to make this template more 'Indonesian', but am banging my head against a brick wall. Medium term plan is to add other elements (DPR seats etc etc) and then replace the generic template at Golkar and use the new one for all the Indonesian parties. By the way, any idea of the copyright position on party logos? Regards Davidelit (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Cape Leeuwin

You're welcome. I put the box down there intentionally, into the lighthouse section, since there are so many other paragraphs in that article on other topics. 02:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Marind-anim

Dear SatuSoro,

Thank You very much for Your message. I suppose it refers to the Marind-anim article initiated recenty by me. I do not know anything about portal tags for talkpages, thus I do not know exactly the way I could help.

Best wishes,

Physis (talk) 12:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank You very much for Your quick response. I have understood also the motivation. I shall do so in the future. I tried to avoid orphan status also by making links to the article from related anthropological sites. Have much pleasure in Your work in the future too, best wishes Physis (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Still delayed

Maybe the battery is depleted, shall I get out my jumper cables.—Ѕandahl 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Indonesia

You've jumped the gun, I'm afraid. Please give it a moment so that the articles can be created. Indonesia has the worst coverage in the world, and this list points out how appalling the coverage is at the moment. I'll be creating the articles myself when I have a moment, as I'm trying to listify some other cats right now, which do have all the articles therein. Benkenobi18 (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Either me or Npeters22, whomever gets there first. See List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Brazil, and List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Poland. Npeters finished off both lists, and may very well finish off indonesia too before all is said and done. I would love to see more regional information as I am not from Indonesia. Benkenobi18 (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

MNC Entertainment

Re your message on my talk page. These are not my standards, they are the standards (policies and guidelines) of this project. They apply to all articles here, not just those created by any particular group of users. I am not singling anyone out here, I tag for speedy deletion any article that I think meets the criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

This editor has real life issues and might not reply in the short term

Murray River

I didn't add Category:Indian Ocean basins to Category:Murray basin and frankly think it is a nonsense. The Southern Ocean is the Southern Ocean no matter what is agreed upon by (mainly) NH geographers. Next we will see Adelaide (and Warrnambool?) added to a new Category:Cities on the Indian Ocean!

I trust the "real life issues" are nothing serious. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 00:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I note the pedants have left Murray Mouth alone: "Murray Mouth ( 35°33′S, 138°53′E) is the point at which the River Murray meets the Southern Ocean." -- Mattinbgn\^talk 00:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have thought for a long time the articles need fixing, but never had an excuse to do it before. The only changes I'm making are to the infoboxes, as some of them were rather ugly. Orderinchaos 06:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Which ones need moving? Orderinchaos 06:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Article

I agree, it's poorly written. But that was already clearly expressed by multiple users. My point is that the issue, no matter how briefly it is mentioned, it is still mentioned, to make its way out further. It's one thing for it to be on Landeryou's blog, it's another when its the Murdoch press. I hope other journalists come along and write some better articles on it. Definately worth far more of a fuss than the poo bum dicky wee wee crap! Timeshift (talk) 08:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No, you're twisting my words there. I'm simply saying in terms of authority, in terms of presence, in terms of readers, a Murdoch paper or any mainstream media (let's not go there) is the place to get something read. The article is crap and goes off on its own tangent, but it still starts with the following which will hopefully lead other journos on to it.

THE Commonwealth Parliamentary Library is offering a new service to MPs and senators: helping them burnish their public image.

The library has published a detailed "tip sheet" on how parliamentarians can manage their entries on Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia that anyone with access to the internet can update and change.

It's out there. Timeshift (talk) 08:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Fire? I don't know what sparked that sort of reply... Timeshift (talk) 08:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Please tell me you're aware of the dramas we've had, especially Kim Carr? The issue here is MPs and staffers cleaning their articles. The article is just a tiny portion of this issue. Timeshift (talk) 09:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Right on queue, I've got a live one at Bill Shorten I just reverted. They love removing references to their factions don't they? Timeshift (talk) 09:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There are other examples too, probably half a dozen in total. I added all current MPs to my watchlist several months ago... I dread to think. Timeshift (talk) 09:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Now there's using your noggin'! Timeshift (talk) 09:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The latest. I'm so ready to revert, as OIC says they should be taking concerns to the talk page. What do you think... Timeshift (talk) 09:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Category tagging

Category sorting could do with a cleanup I think. We're currently mixing them in with articles when they really should sort into a category of their own. -- Longhair\^talk 02:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for standard infobox for History of [country] templates

Hi there! You're a member of WikiProject History, so I'm just informing you about a proposal I've made about standardizing History of [country] templates (like Template:History of France). The discussion is located at the talk page for WikiProject History—your comments and criticism are welcome. Thank you. Mr. Absurd (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Deo Volente

SatuSuro, memang saya buat dalam Tag Selamat Datang terlalu banyak keterangan, tetapi sejauh ini mereka tidak berkeberatan. Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

As you can see on my talk page, they appreciate it. Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 08:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Messy TNI

Cheers- for some reason my notepad stuffed it all up- I think I've fixed it. Maybe you could have a read through too?Starstylers (talk) 09:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC) Matur Nuwen Mas

Phew!

Wikipedia is not exactly forgiving on typos is it? It was a shocking mess- hopefully all cleaned up. No worries ma-ite! Have another tinnie for me!Starstylers (talk) 09:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Yup, got it sorted in the end. 34 parties in the 2009 elections. 11 with infoboxes so far... And that's not counting the 6 parties allowed to contest in Aceh after the GAM victory there... Davidelit (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The historical elections? "To sort out"? How hurtful. Take a look at 1955, 1955B, 1971, 1977 (ok, only a stub), 1982 (ditto), 1987, 1992 and 1997. :-) By the way, I'm trying to sort out Indonesian National Party, but my head is starting to spin. It seems to have been established, then dissolved, then revived (but was it the same thing), then merged into PDI then semi-revived, then revived as five different entities, most claiming to be the original. Now the Indonesian National Party Marhaenism is standing in the elections, but I can't figure out which bit or bits of the PNI it came from! Davidelit (talk) 03:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I had to suppress a started cry when I read "i do have a copy of the guide book to the election that never happened in 57". Local elections happened in Java and parts of Sumatra in 1957, but it is very difficult to get any info. I have some results, but the author of the book they are in had to go to Cornell Uni to get the numbers. Does your book have detailed results? The success of the PKI in those elections was crucial to the military putting pressure on Sukarno to cancel the planned 1960 legislative election - the real "elections that never happened" - so it would be great if the book turned up. By the way, I think I have the Indonesian National Party figured out, but I'm not sure what to do about the article. The current incarnation has links to the original, albeit tentative, so I may put the template at the top and have a history section that explains the background. Any thoughts? Davidelit (talk) 04:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Greater India

I can understand your reservations. But note that the concerned article is from academic perspective and does not necessarily imply some sought cultural imperialism. The scope of the article is similar to those of other articles on cultural regions such as Anglosphere, Sinosphere etc. And since some of the topics, such as Prambanan, were closely associated with Indian culture, I thought some readers might find the article an interesting read. Little did I know someone would tag my edit as "bs" and "sigh" over it. Anyways, I've reverted some of my edits made to "Indonesian articles". Cheers --Emperor Genius (talk) 05:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Nuwen sewu ya

Dasar wong Singke-pura yang sok tahu. Kowe lagi apain, Mas? Sekarang si bencong2 Singke rewel terus. Ichh! Starstylers (talk) 18:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Timor Sea Treay

Wow - I think you might get someone check it out and say that the sea treaty article is too much literal rendition and not encyclopediac - but hey amazing work anyways! SatuSuro 07:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment and caution. I thought of reproducing in full the few Timor Gap related treaties in Wikipedia which will go together with explanations, just to have them as resources within Wikipedia. Hope this does not go against any of the rules. Will do a hybrid reduced reproduction cum summary for the Timor Gap Treaty page.Slleong (talk) 19:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oz footy terms

I take your point about the references. I think I was more interested in getting the page together than explaining where the terms came from. I've started to add some references in now, and will continue to do so. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 01:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

And it was a good reminder, thanks. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 01:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

COI and Web Links

I suspect your note here concerns the Australian book links. My problem is that there don't seem to be many other references for these works out there. I'd run the line that my web pages are not-for-profit, there is no advertising and I have nothing to do with either the authors, their books or their publishers. A number of other pages, that I didn't initiate, have also linked to my webpages and I have taken my stance from them. I will be attempting to add further references to these pages as, and when, I find them. It is certainly not my aim for my webpages to be the only references cited. If a COI comes through I'll probably have to re-examine my position. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 01:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take it as a fair warning. And aim to add other references and reviews where I can. That's good wiki practice anyway. Just tend to take a few short-cuts sometimes to get something up there.--Perry Middlemiss (talk) 02:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Kawi script

Hello SatuSuro (jenenge sing bener sopo?), I have started to intervene a bit more in en.wp regarding articles on Indonesia. What incited me is what I see as a predominance of ideological considerations (especially narrow nationalism) over scientific concern. For instance, I suspect those behind the article Vatteluttu (see its Talk page) to distort facts so as to overrate Southern Indian influence in Southeast Asia, :-( Djoehana (talk) 04:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It is everywhere - indian. malaysian. javanese, sundanese, mongolian (!), - all a bunch of xxxxx xenophobes - which is why every now and then that i despair and alledge that I am surrounded by cretins - try putting spratley islands on watch and youll see what i mean. Thanks for your help - some of it is more subtle and harder to discern and get cleaned up - so please feel free to allert me of any items that might see somewhat untouched POV - it would be appreciated - thanks again SatuSuro 04:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't go as far as calling them "cretins" :-) but I find them particularly tiring. One example you are aware of is the discussion about Majapahit, which Indonesians are taught to have been "a great empire", while it was just the most successful of East Java kingdoms thanks to a prosperous agriculture which gave Java a strategic edge over other islands in the archipelago... :-) Djoehana (talk) 04:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

When I have had to deal with some of the non english material that creeps into WP EN Indonesia project with literally no back up or support - you might realise that my language is indeed guarded and considered when I use that term - most of what I actually feel about the constant barrage of POV and POINT material into the project I actually reserve for off-wiki discussions :) - the actual indoctrinations of the New Order era education system are worthy of a good PhD if it hasnt been done yet as to what constituted what in the over all history of the archipelago SatuSuro 04:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, in the case of Indonesia, the fundamental mistake is the claim that Indonesia already existed before the arrival of Europeans under the form of Sriwijaya and Majapahit. This fallacy was introduced by Moehamad Yamin, who was Education minister in the 1950's. It would now be difficult to explain that Indonesia is a Dutch creation (including Java's position as "the centre")... Djoehana (talk) 06:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Cretinism

Your fixing the link reminds me my wifes phd fieldwork was conducted on a slope of a volcano in java where iodine deficiency was directly linked to the term/condition SatuSuro 04:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Really? What was her PhD on? And what do you do yourself? I am a PhD candidate myself, at my age... :-) Djoehana (talk) 06:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that is as far as i go on wiki talk - And I am just reverting someone who challenged SBY's and Kalla's religious affiliations - the irory :( SatuSuro 06:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, good luck! Djoehana (talk) 06:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Western Desert

I came across Western Desert (Australia) while assessing Little Sandy Desert, then when browsing Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Australia articles by quality for start arts to upgrade to C I noticed Western Desert cultural bloc. It's fun wandering through the back rooms of the project and seeing whose watchlist you trip up :-). I don't have a user page since that would be admitting I spend too much time here. I see even more what you mean by cat issues - I could lose days cleaning up the grandchildren of Category:Articles by quality - if only WP were a bit more automatic we wouldn't have to waste so much human time. TRS-80 (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Anonymity

The issue is complicated - public figures wear their religious identity openly in Indonesia - and I have my limits on wiki talk - its all very googleable and as open as merdeka sqauare - SatuSuro 06:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello SatuSuro, I can understand that. In a forum called alumniprancis@yahoogroups.com, I spend my time explaining to Indonesians that Europe started to make the difference in the 16th century when people had the guts to contradict religious arguments with scientific ones, Djoehana (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Art Deco Buildings:Perth

Saw Gnagarra's pics - can't believe that he managed to get a couple with blue skies - has inspired me to start work on the Cygnet Theatre, then I intend to tackle the Windsor Theatre. Haven't had a look at yesterday's West but will try and grab a copy. Dan arndt (talk) 02:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Ville du Havre

Hey SatuSuro, would you mind proof reading an article I just created (I'm tierd of looking at it). You will find it here. Thanks again. Spy007au (talk) 11:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, I appreciate your help. I'm falling asleep at my PC - so I'll do some more work on it tomorrow. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 13:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian categories

Hi. I'll happily tag any new categories now that I'm aware there's a WikiProject Indonesia and this is what's desired. Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry and can you help?

Nuwen sewu lagi mas. Dalem ora mau mbikin soal2 untuk Kulo. Mbosen wong rewel2 terus iki. Pusing. I need some help with editing especially the referenc tagfging with [[32]]. If you wouldn't mind indulging me- for some reason putting in the reference tags hides other text. Starstylers (talk) 16:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding category Indigenous peoples of Australia as a subcategory of Hunter-gatherers

Dear SatuSuro,

Thank You for Your message, and telling me about Australian Wikipedians' notice board. I did not know about its existence, I am glad to have a forum about such discussion. Thus, I shall think further about whether it worth regarding Indigenous peoples of Australia as a subcategory of Hunter-gatherers, and if I find it very fruitful, I shall bring the discussion to Australian Wikipedians' notice board before doing anything.

I know category system is a sophisticated and sensible thing (in any area of knowledge), thus I shall do as You proposed. But I did not understand the exact reason You wrote:

“ there are very large number of articles that are being incorporated into something which requires more than just an addition of such a category ”

Can You give some background? I cannot connect/associate it with anything, it is too brief (compact) for me.

Best wishes,

Physis (talk) 10:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear SatuSuro,

Thank You for Your explanation. Now i understand that the concerns are not only of formal/administrative nature: the content/essence itself is concerned. Then I shall wait till I know more about indigenous peoples of Australia.

As for Eskimos, also among them the details are much more sophisticated than commonly known about hunter-gatherers:

• elements of reindeer herding,
• use of sophisticated technology like harpoon, kayak, whaling boat,
• possibility of years-long storing of food in ice pits, some accumulation of goods.

As for the economy of other pre-agriculturalist peoples, Julius Lips argues that there is a continuum instead of clearcut border between hunter gatherers and agriculture: intensive gathering. Moreover, slash and burn techniques are sometimes used for facilitating selective gathering even among some hunter-gatherers (thus, slash and burn was not restricted to agriculturalists).

Still, despite of

• the diversity of the different "hunter-gatherer" peoples,
• and the many alternatives to evolutionist approaches,

I am not sure that the notion "hunter-gatherer" would be entirely weak or powerless. But I do not know any recent literature about indigenous peoples of Australia (except for a Hungarian "brother of" of Aboriginal Australians Speak: An Introduction to Australian Aboriginal Linguistics by Eric G. Vaszolyi), thus I shall wait some months or years till I know more about that.

Best wishes and many thanks,

Physis (talk) 12:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Indonesia project

Is barely scraping by these days with more fly past edits than any coherent organisational structure at the noticeboard or any form of collab (although we dont tell anyone that) and one of the biggest issues is the english challenged indonesian editors who put a name up on the english project (rather than on the indonesian one where they could just as easily do) usually in lists so that in parts we have these marvellous untouched lists of unalphabetical names to make red links and then no activity there ever again (unchallenged tags are between 1 to 2 years in some cases) - well i am very slowly systematically going through the more obvious lists - removing all the red links to the talk page - so that eds know that if they add red lnks theyre gonna get removed - otherwise the project looks like a paradise of red links that never get worked on. SO I have your list to deal with which has red links everywhere - any thoughts? at least you speakk da english :( SatuSuro 09:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you for contacting me with your concerns.

The red links in that list are part of a standard format for lists of this type - there is currently a list of this type under construction for every country of the world and they all have a common set of links (in addition to custom links). The links in the standard format were chosen because they are very typical for countries, and very highly likely to turn blue in the future - articles tend to expand and use those article names for the expansions. They were also chosen to maintain standardization between these lists - too many synonymous title types would make them confusing. Some of the topics using standard names are spread across Wikipedia somewhere, either under synonymous titles, or under a subheading in another article -- and therefore many of the red entries in the list can be bluelinked by creating redirects. So please, do not remove the redlinks.  ;)

Also, there is a team of editors preparing these pages for a big competition called "Around the World" which will bring many editors to the set of country pages to which this list belongs. One of the main things participants will be doing is fixing redlinks via the "bluelinking" process.

Note that redlinks are an important feature of Wikipedia. They show where development is needed, and make it easy to create needed articles (it takes just a click to get started). And in the case of these country lists, editors are being assigned tasks to perform on all of the lists rather than being assigned a particular list to work on. For example, I'm currently filling in the "Location:" item for all of the countries. Others are working on the "Regions" sections on the entire set. And still more will jump in to help once "Around the World" gets underway. One of the main task types that will be assigned to participants will be "bluelinking".

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics for a complete list of the country pages in the set.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Sincerely,

The Transhumanist    18:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD

Don't intend to give up without a bit of a fight. :) Dan arndt (talk) 02:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Know what you mean but can't let everything slip by - am an inclusionist by nature and hate to see any information just disappear... Dan arndt (talk) 02:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of encouragment but I'm not that optimistic about my chances.Dan arndt (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Not certain which project you're talking about - but know what you mean about circling buzzards. Dan arndt (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

That is one ambitious project - makes my wiki-problems seem virtually insignificant - you certainly have one hell of a challenge ahead. Dan arndt (talk) 02:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Elections in Indonesia

Hi, User:Nigelfong tagged with page with a neutrality tag. I responded to his (fair and reasonable) objections, but he didn't reply and has since vanished. Could you possibly take a look and remove the tag if you think it is appropriate to do so - it makes the page look untidy :-) Regards Davidelit (talk) 05:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixing it as we speak. And yes. Davidelit (talk) 05:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Department of Tourism, Posts and Telecommunications, Indonesia

A tag has been placed on Department of Tourism, Posts and Telecommunications, Indonesia, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Avi15 (talk) 13:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:Dont be a dick

Would apply to your speedy for Department of Tourism, Post and Telecommunications - please try to get more of a handle of Wikipedia practice before even trying that sort of stunt - if you need a quick lesson in how to start in Wikipedia - stay well away from speedy deletes for at least 6 months - and that is really assuming WP:AGF - I would be a lot less impressed if you had been around for a year or so and pulled that one ! SatuSuro 14:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This is what your article looked like at the time, with no internal links other than to your talk page. I placed it up for speedy deletion under the {db-g1} template because (at the time) it was an article with no meaningful content or history which constitued patent nonsense. No hard feeling for the "misdemeanour" cheers Avi15 (talk) 01:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Transport in Hobart

Can you offer an tips on how i can expand this page? all the other capital cities have a page like this, but as hobart doesn't have a huge amount of transport options i'm kinda lost as to what else i can add to the article. Wiki ian 04:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks mate, searching for info now. Wiki ian 04:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of here still

How can I help? --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh - I think I worked it out and Theresa has fixed it for you. Have a good night. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Team editing

I had a look at Visit Indonesia Year‎ as requested. Found a dusty reference on a shelf. Seems like we're following each other around today. Not keeping you busy with the political parties am I? Things should calm down now - that's all 34 national parties standing in the next elections up to at least stubs. Phew! Davidelit (talk) 12:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

HA HA! I misunderstood your question about Indonesian customs and was about to suggest the Culture of Indonesia article as an entry point! Yes, detaining 350 foreign tourists during Visit Indonesia Year won't help. Apparently it's all a pig's breakfast because more than one government institution is involved. Davidelit (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, do you think there is a case for removal of the tags on Transition to the New Order, or is there still work to be done? Davidelit (talk) 12:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation Barnstar

		The Categorisation Barnstar
		This is for your efforts to categorize pages. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Crazy little things called talk ppages

It seems to be something in Wikipedia:WikiProject Los Angeles Lakers/Newsletter/Archives/6 - the hidden class isn't being closed properly. I can't figure out how to close it though. Graham87 02:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed - User talk:Hydrogen Iodide displays properly now. It was a missing vertical bar. Graham87 02:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Sorry for the slow reply, I wanted to finish tagging the mountain categories and assessing article before talking. As you can see I tagged only the climbing categories that are most relevant to the mountain project, like films and books about mountaineering / mountains and people who have summited Everest. I left out categories like Presidents of some mountaineering club because that isn't what the mountain project covers. I'd say we tag the categories (in the climbing project) that are the most relevant to the mountain project and leave everything else alone.

By double-tagged, do you mean volcano articles talkpages that are tagged with volcano and mountain project tags? I've seen numerous talkpages of volcanoes elsewhere around the world that have both the WP:VOLC and WP:MOUNTAIN tag. (An example in South America) I think the volcano project is the descendant project of the mountain project, if I recall correctly. Cheers. _{Trance addict - Armin van Buuren - Oceanlab} 07:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Los Angeles Lakers newsletter

i don't see any glitch at this point. Can you be more specific? -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 07:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:AUS category Tagging

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Roman Catholic Dioceses in Indonesia

What did I say? :) List of Roman Catholic dioceses in Indonesia. Npeters22 is almost done filling in all the redlinks. :DBenkenobi18 (talk) 07:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Make sure you thank Npeters22. I mostly sort and organise. He does the brute force article creation. We're almost done a long term dream, List of Roman Catholic dioceses. Another 30 articles or so will do it. 3000 Catholic dioceses. Started from nothing a year ago. Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Gisella

I don't understand. It's too difficult. Please help me. I'm Indonesian Ario ManUtd 19:30 5 August 2008 (UTC) --Ario ManUtd (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Tagging

No hard feelings at all. I am still very interested to hear Russavia's side of the story—it seems it was him who's been tagging many of the cats I later untagged (without realizing that a human person tagged them in the first place), so I imagine he must have a reason of his own. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I can fix the template no problem (it was me who added the C-class to it), but like I said, I just don't see the utility of having the counts of cats and templates in the stats. If someone enlightens me on this point later, I may very well change my attitude towards that practice :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't gonna to :) Each project is different in its approaches. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandal

hello again! wanted to let you know, i believe that 62.22.72.99 and Penelopealdaya are using the same i.p., and are possibly the same "editor". check out the history at Chicken, the two user pgs i've given, and the history of my own user pg. you may be able to do more than i, the templates and whatnot still drive me crazy.... thx! - Μετανοιδ (talk, email) 14:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a minor vandalism streak to me; nothing serious. I'll keep an eye on the article and on these two users though (SatuSuro asked me to look into this). Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Better be vigilant and overcautious than sorry :) No trouble at all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Referencing

Scream! Pull out hair! I know- every time I try and reference properly something screws up. I type the ref/ thing- and all the following text disappears. Can you point me out what exactly I'm either including or excluding that makes it do this? Swear words: Javanese but rendered in English Cat-shit! Starstylers (talk) 06:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

It's gone

Can I include the fact it was deliberately cited for religious tolerance, blah-blah-blah? I just want to show the bigots who focus on Ambon etc out there Indonesia is not some Talibani loony-town.Starstylers (talk) 06:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Eucla

No probs. It's best for the external links section to be at the end so spam fighters (and spammers) can get to it easily. Just the way it's always been, I suppose. Graham87 14:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

It must be amazing being alone out there on a huge flat plain like the Nullarbor. I suppose if I was out there I'd notice the total lack of sounds - or almost - besides the surf and the trucks ambling by. I'd never really thought about what the sunset looked like before - not having seen one ... I always assumed it just got darker as the sun became less visible until it's finally dark enough for me to read. I can't really imagine not having any birds or crickets to hear as well - it just sounds so unusual. Graham87 14:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kimberley

Lol ... it's all a lot of fun though, seeing who can get to which article first. As for main articles of categories, you can plonk {{Catmore}} on the category and that will give the main articles. Graham87 08:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I've added Cyclone Rosita since it mainly affected the Kimberley region. Graham87 08:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, like the Gunbarrel Highway. HotCat seems like a lot of fun ... I've never used automated tools on Wikipedia, partly for accessibility reasons and partly because I like to be completely sure of what I was doing. when I started on Wikipedia, it was run by a small but loyal flock of pigeons, and things were very different because of that. Graham87 11:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it a go in a sec ... once I've finished checking out my watchlist. To link a cat add a colon like so: [[:Category:Pilbara region of Western Australia]] produces Category:Pilbara region of Western Australia. It's the same thing with interwiki links. Just another one of Wikipedia's bizarre, counterintuitive features. I mean ... I never understood the logic of signing with four tildes ... I suppose they look a bit squiggly, and tildes aren't used for much, but I doubt it would even occur to people not well-versed in wiki technologies. Graham87 12:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Is Mandora Station in the Kimberley or the Pilbara? Or both? Graham87 12:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC) Where are you if you're not in the house? :-) Graham87 14:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

No thanks ... I hate the cold. And I thought it could get cold in my house. I've got the heater off here in my bedroom to save energy but the temperature is OK in here ... I'd say it's about 17 degrees or so. Graham87 14:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply from Petroconomist

Petroconomist has replied to your message on his talk page, because this is semiprotected and they're a new user. Cheers, Alex Muller 08:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

lol Aaroncrick (talk) 09:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

That would have to be one of the most pointless comments I've seen! Bidgee (talk) 09:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I will make no further comment on that editor as I consider the issue is blockable. full stop. SatuSuro 10:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Kent Street

I can't believe that I keep on getting drawn into these deletion debates - must be some sort of sucker for an underdog - BTW Curtin University's formal address and main entrance is actually off Kent Street and not Hayman Road. Have had a read of your comments and can't make sense as to whether you are supporting its retention or advocating that its not notable. Have started introducing references to help justify its inclusion but let me know if you think its a lost cause. Dan arndt (talk) 09:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Bio

The bio I just added is not self-created. Please can you let me know how to best demonstrate this, if required?ChessFest (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Well if you are not either of the people you have just added as new arts - then you need to look at other Australian bios and realise that the detail is over and above what is required for WP:MOS - frequently new eds put in what read like insider CV's - always better to look at other articles to see what you can leave out rather than put in on living bios - see WP:BLP - cheers SatuSuro 03:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I only added one. The other I only tidied up and added references—the main content was what was there before. Regarding the one I added, the stuff is pretty minimal...I would say the article needs more expansion not less! But I will leave that to those more knowledgeable than me. The minimal stuff I added can all be found in the notes and external links. It's all standard stuff.ChessFest (talk) 11:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you convinced? Josfritz (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

What?

• Even I could not understand this edit! What on earth is WP Indonesia En? If you want the guy to put something on a talk page, please use the <nowiki>, and preferably <code>, tags to indicate exactly what you want the person to add. (Or the {{tl}} template may fit the bill.) — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 07:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The message was not meant for anyone other than the user for a start.

However fine, youve been around for a long time and havent seen it used.

• Lets clarify the issue - WP In (or Id) usually refers to - http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halaman_Utama
• while WP En usually refers to - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indonesia

WP Indonesia En would easily make sense to any of the Indonesian editors who in most cases really do much better work at WP Indonesia In - however as we must always AGF - at times it really is a case where regular WP Indonesia IN editors have little understanding of the standards which WP En has compared to WP IN (specially the issue of WP:RS seems to have been completely lost at WP IN) - so welcomes usually come in short - hand as many Indonesians like many other cultural groups just love their acronyms and sms level abbreviations - and have no problems with the In and En distinction - as there is an Indonesian language wiki project, and an English Wikipedia Indonesian project - to outsiders it can be very confusing - however I have no hesitation in using it with users who appear to be already editors at WP In as they have to deal with interwiki issues between the two projects all the time and the message was not meant for anyone outside of the context of which it is - further many Indonesian editors do used javanese, sundanese, and indonesian on their talk pages among friends - so if an abbreviation puts you out - just wait for a page of talk in sundanese - it is as impervious - believe me.

Btw its great outside admins are the slightest interested in helping anyone in the project regardless of their mother tongue - at the last 'catch' there are 4576 articles and we have not had an admin actively involved over the last three years in the project in any regular way - there are issues in the project regularly that should be attended to. So thanks

SatuSuro 10:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. You have written a lot of words but I am not sure you have actually registered my very simple request. "The message was not meant for anyone other than the user for a start." Yes that is my point, if you are addressing a new user you do not lapse into cryptic language.

• How many Wikipedia users use the term "WP Indonesia En"? This Google search may help you answer!
• Do you think that "put  {{WP Indonesia}}  on the talk page" would have been better than "put the WP Indonesia En on the talk page"?
• Do you think that Indonesian Wikipedia and WikiProject Indonesia look prettier than the naked, external! links you created above? OK it is just a talk page, but it suggests you have not yet got into the habit of creating proper links.

— — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 03:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Noted - nothing else to say SatuSuro 07:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

However -the user page category section here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Borgx would possibly be useful to note in this discussion SatuSuro 12:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Frightening

Those wave stats are particularly terrifying (and interesting). Cheers --Hughesdarren (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

I think there is a Liberal bias to many of the articles written about Indonesia which can be easily labeled intellectually dishonest- ignoring sources which negate their darling Liberal/cosmopolitan political agenda. Most exemplary the Prabowo and Chinese-Indonesian 'articles'- are biased to the point of polemic if not broadside fodder and ignore many alternate, peer-reviewed sources. Unfortunately NPOV means divergence from Liberal/political/rights-activist consensus and when the bias is rectified especially by insertion of source/data/argument which counters or lessen the veracity of their own bias- they cry foul, pull their hair, whail and gnash their teeth while covering their eyes at "guilt-thoughts" outside their "group-hate" consensus'. Political correctness and historical revisionism should not be confused with NPOV- and unfortunately the US influenced educated have great difficulty separating the two. I feel many wiki editors cannot distinguish between them. Indeed I have an agenda BUT the conflict occurs when it counters the Cosmopolitan activistas. yours sincerelyStarstylers (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Responded to - might take a bit to actually respond on this expect delays SatuSuro 01:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Indonesian rice table

Simply remove [[de:Selamatan]] characters from these pages: Mesa indonesia de arroz and en:Indonesian rice table and then remove [[en:Indonesian rice table]] [[es:Mesa indonesia de arroz]] from de:Selamatan. If you have difficulties in founding buttons and tabs remember that you can set in your preferred language every local wiki going in preferences menu which is ever in the 3rd position from left at the top of the page. --Alleborgo (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.. i'll start uploading images.Tan Merry S. (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature help

Hi...and sorry to bother you for something so trivial but I've got a signature issue - when I sign - either with the four tildes or clicking the sig button - username and timestamp show up but the username doesn't show as a link---a bot soon comes along and does its thing but I don't think its a good habit----I've tried checking/unchecking "Raw sig" in prefs to no avail-----I've searched every tutorial & help section I can find for solution before deciding to 'ask an expert'. Any ideas? --GlenDillon (talk) 07:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

for obvious reasons please ignore my previous post!--GlenDillon (talk) 08:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Statham's Quarry

I have nominated Statham's Quarry, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statham's Quarry. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Beeblbrox (talk) 02:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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Unable to respond to further issues relating to this in the short term - have real world issues to deal with SatuSuro 03:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Jean Baptiste Leschenault de la Tour I've added to WP:Indonesia since he spent 3 years describing plants and bird life on Java the second such person to do so, maybe it should have a higher importance than the low I assigned. Gnangarra 05:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

WA stations

I was looking up East Perth station, and trying to make heads or tails of it, until I came across the page. The WA articles are at major extremes - some really well written articles on the various lines and how they have been deviated, and the some train station pages that have no history at all and are just travel information. Wongm (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Bird picture

...and what a good bird it is! makes me think it's time I changed my user page pic. Sterry2607 (talk) 09:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the afd. I've been out of action for 10 days, away in Port Macquarie, so my Wiki time is way down this month and I haven't really been keeping track of what's going on. Anyhow, I know what you mean about becoming attached to pics. I do too...Sterry2607 (talk) 12:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Tagging

Considering your previous interest, you might be interested in reading this. It's about tagging the pages in non-article namespace. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Panorama

• The end result Gnangarra 04:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Let me know if you need images from this end of the track. (Either of you) cygnis insignis 05:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Credit for originality however

lol Timeshift (talk) 11:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Political orientation had nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter what page it was on, most vandalism is pure garbage but sometimes theres the occasionally funny one, shunned though it must be. Timeshift (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Drummond Nature Reserve

Tis more than a stub, yes please on the sign picts, I'll add a couple of the over view picts. Gnangarra 12:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

OI, you added my reference as a reference before I did Gnangarra 12:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

the source said Mundaring District office of CALM Gnangarra 14:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian Political Parties

You are too kind! It is pretty difficult to get hold of info about these tiny parties (who are only running so they can get government funds anyway!), and the few paltry lines don't really reflect the effort involved in uploading the logo and trying to find out what they stand for! With any luck, Kompas will publish their usual guide to the partie soon and I get expanding things. As for the parties only standing in Aceh... Davidelit (talk) 04:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kalamunda

Thanks for that. :) - Mark 12:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Bill, etc.

Glad to be of service if poss. I'm halfway through a serious procrastination project and need some further excuses :) Cheers Bjenks (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC) The abo stuff is not really my own cup o'tea, though one of our daughters is an anthrop who worked with them and other LCs in the 90s (on wimmins biz). I may have material on the KLC but won't find in a hurry. I've over a hundred filing boxes stacked in the shed waiting for some sorting space (and time) to become available :( Bjenks (talk) 12:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Drug free indonesia

looks like unreferenced rubbish to me. An organization under that name may exists (see http://elearn.uwcsea.edu.sg/StudywizRoot/portal/pages/1234/15694/_files/Drug%20Free%20Indonesia%20GC.pdf), but the final sentence is a bit "high school jockish" isn't it? By the way, I've just sent you a very sad e-mail. Davidelit (talk) 15:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ville du Harve

Yes, still very interested. You can send to my home e-mail address: bialla@bigpond.net.au Thanks heaps. Spy007au (talk) 05:08, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tom, any luck with the Ashe Darwin Rebellion article? Regards, Spy007au (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Banksia undata

File:Another sesselis 1.JPG

Apis mellifera

Your photos were easier to identify than I had expected. They are Banksia undata; to be precise, Banksia undata var. undata. Two things stood out for me at first glance: the length of the styles, which gives it a bit of a pincushion look; and the abrupt end to the leaves, like they've been cut. It turns out that the common name of B. undata is Urchin Dryandra, in reference to the length of the styles; and when it was a dryandra its name was Dryandra praemorsa, "praemorsa" being Latin for bitten off, in reference to the leaf shape. I probably needn't have looked any deeper than that for confirmation, but nonetheless I checked against every single dryandra species, and nothing else comes close. The distribution of B. undata matches too, of course. The FloraBase entry is at http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/32054.

We didn't have any B. undata images, so this is heaps better than more sessilis.

Hesperian 12:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Dryandras are notoriously hard, even for the experts. I was impressed that you could lay eyes on a dryandra and immediately recognise it as something different. That's more important, I think, than the ability to pin a name on it... which I was only able to do because I have the right book. Hesperian 12:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Clackline

Thanks. Strange name eh? It was actually the air crash which prompted me to start it. Moondyne 00:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

GH air crash expanded a bit. Moondyne

Good luck with the lekshun tomorrow. Moondyne 13:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you reckon Broad Arrow, Western Australia is technically a ghost town? (the pub is still open) Moondyne 15:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ghost town: The term is sometimes used in a depreciative sense to include areas where the current population is significantly less than it once was.. I don't see voting achieving very much. Its reasonable to say that it was at least in the past and by most definitions still is, so am happy to leave as is. Moondyne 03:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ambassadors

Looks highly deletable to me. Another pointless list full of redlinks. By the way, any thoughts on Papernas, Indonesia Dharma Awakening Party and Christian Democratic Party Indonesia? I'm trying to get the political parties articles tidied up. Wikipedia:Notability (political parties) seems a reasonable guide, but arguably People's Conscience Party and Great Indonesia Movement Party are notable because they are high profile, as are their leaders. Davidelit (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I have Feith's Decline of Constitutional Democracy.. as well as an Indonesia translation of his book on the 1955 elections. The top 4 parties all have articles, and while it would be nice to have articles for the other major contenders, I think there are higher priorities. And yes, I take your point about the list... Davidelit (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that those three didn't even qualify for the election, yet alone have any seats anywhere. Papernas is referred to as a left-wing party and the author is a self0confessed Marxist, so perhaps some agenda pushing there. At the risk of being sombong, I live in Indonesia and follow the news closely, and I ain't never 'eared of 'em. By the way, today's horror: Indosiar - the only reference is er... Indonesian Wikipedia!!!! Davidelit (talk) 14:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

No bananas

I should've made clear I'm currently only on about Assembly papers. Yup, the Council issues would be a quantum leap ahead in complexity. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 14:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Lucky Oceans

Was away most of last week on business - was just about to start work on improving the article on Lucky (have been spending time getting Paul Kelly ready for GA status) - hopefully should see some improvements soon. Dan arndt (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Will continue to work on it over the next couple of days. Dan arndt (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm will try and balance the article out with his early life and life in WA. Dan arndt (talk) 05:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you know he help Tim Winton compile Dirt Music in 2001? Dan arndt (talk) 04:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Papua

Ah, no reason for my odd spelling. I copied it from the Dutch wikipedia and probably overlooked that the English spelling is different from the Dutch one.. Feel free to correct it and thanks for pointing it out..! Ruigeroeland (talk) 16:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Radio

Didn't know that radio existed on the AM dial - tend to listen to web & podcasts myself.... :D .... Dan arndt (talk) 07:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice to know that you're keeping on eye on my edits - always need someone to check my haphazard work. Dan arndt (talk) 07:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Now I know you have way too much time on your hands... (btw - still set for 16/09?)Dan arndt (talk) 08:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Tas project aerial photos

Hi, I am adding in aerial photos that I took on my recent trip to Tasmania. I will need articles on Penna, Tasmania (oops it's there already) , Tooms Lake, Tasmania and Lake Leake, Tasmania to stick pictures to. Most photos i took are however of ACT, NSW and Vic. I made a category on commons of Commons:Category:aerial photographs of Tasmania.

I would like to get that Geology of Tasmania to GA status, so please add in suggestions on how it could improve! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

elections

I'll let you know if I get hauled before a Court of Disputed Returns ;) - Mark 05:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

West Coast Railways

I will have a look at it and see whether anything can be done. Will get back to you. --Commissioner Geoff (talk) 02:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

new article - petroleum in wa

Just created Petroleum in Western Australia. Only done an intro so far but thought it useful as a tie-in for all various related articles which exist - of which there are many. (there's one for Mining done already). I'm posting this note because in my haste to get it going, I might have screwed up by affixing the WP Australia banner (with a WA=yes) on the Talk page - and realised seconds later that some appproval/official support is obviously required before that banner can be used anywhere. I've not even attempted to discuss the article anywhere outside its talk page. It might be no big deal, but I was just worried that my action will attract attention/reprimand or whatever! After a month editing WP, I'm probably past the point of being able to use ignorance or newbie status as an excuse! Can you help/set me straight? cheers. GlenDillon 13:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

West Coast Railways

Yes, I believe ALL of Tasmania pages need a good going over. If I can enlist a helper, I will attempt it ASAP. Cheers! --Commissioner Geoff (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic group articles

Hi. In light of the failure to reach consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan British‎ I've suggested that there be a discussion of the various issues raised, here. Your input would be appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral Mountain

I wondered what the admin chief requires for sources and references for this article as almost all the information I have taken straight from the Tasmap and have added just a few anecdotal parts as interest? SJS (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Stunning

Absolutely beautiful. It will be on Banksia nivea in thirty seconds. Hesperian 23:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian Logam Mulia

Couldn't agree more :-) Davidelit (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Darwin Rebellion

My apologies for that - didn't realise. Spy007au (talk) 10:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Railways of the West Coast of Tasmania and Rail Transport in Tasmania

Thanks for drawing my attention to these pages. As you have seen, I have attempted to clean them up and add a few references. They are still far from perfect, but certainly better. --Commissioner Geoff (talk) 20:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotting mounds of ...

We had a big blow from the South the other week, the beaches were covered in it. I suppose we should get it out, before I get too interested in gnamma! cygnis insignis 09:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I was just looking at the illos in the book you cite, they were my original inspiration for the arts and draft on my page. I did hope to find some additional refs for the largest etc., but we can kick it off - me thinks. cygnis insignis 09:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll be grateful if you start it off. 'Coastline' or coast? cygnis insignis 09:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Yeah we can always play with that later i think - i hope SatuSuro 10:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

whee! ... here's anuther. No G yet, or any other sort. I dived into water without my floaties. cygnis insignis 10:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Florabase has a feature on Marine plants of Western Australia, maybe the starting point should be there. Unless I can adequately focus, my draft will have to remain so. There are any number of things to be resolved. cygnis insignis 12:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The flowery plants would be a minute part of them. Better check w/ Hesp on the cate for biota by place. cygnis insignis 13:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I am under the impression that seagrasses are the only truly marine plants. Everything else either isn't really marine, e.g. mangroves are essentially terrestrial; or isn't really a plant e.g. seaweeds are algae.... Although come to think of it the latest thinking has the Chlorophyta amongst the Plantae. But leaving aside the navel gazing (if I can; I'll try), I say that "marine plants" and "seagrasses" are essentially synonymous, and personally I prefer the latter term. Hesperian 13:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I was going to say 'proper plants, but http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/marineplants/ were fast and loose: includes both marine angiosperms and a variety of marine macro-algae. cygnis insignis 13:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Gosh, they haven't got far; it's a sea of red links! ;-) Hesperian 14:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

They is they. Hesperian 14:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your kind words. I've made Towns of WA my priority and intend on giving each one an infobox. Once that's done I'll check out your suggestion Thanks again and all the best --Hughesdarren (talk) 10:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Anglican Diocese of Perth

What on earth are you referring to in your comments on my edits in this article?! Your accusations of OR or POV are ridiculous - they certainly are no more so than the comment I edited. My experience of the Diocese of Perth and Anglican churchmanship differences is more than adequate to edit this article appropriately. Anglicanus (talk) 11:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Nullagine

What do you think? I left the mineral list in the article but linked it on. I've pretty much exhausted all info on the net and think I'll draw stumps as far as this town goes. I'm not all that happy with the Iron Ore bit (sounds like a sales brochure) --Hughesdarren (talk) 11:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Coastal regions

It is of interest, I was looking at it last night. cygnis insignis 05:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Dats what I was thinking. I have become convinced of the merit of a WA seagrasses art, they are frequently cited.cygnis insignis 05:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The IMCRA will be useful for the nest improvement. Ta. cygnis insignis 09:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ville du Havre

Hey there, how do I revert vandalism? The last entry/change for Ville du Havre needs to be reverted. Thanks, Spy007au (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Spy007au (talk) 13:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

1950 Skymaster crash

Hi there. Saw you'd edited ANA Skymaster Amana crash previously. Added the front page of the West to the article. Not the best image. Found the original in a box tonight. Had to scan two half pages then stitch. I thought any relevant image is better than no image, but then again... Feel free to remove it if you think it aint up to scratch. Cheers, GD GlenDillon 16:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Please delete one of the articles i created

Dear SatuSuro, could you help me to delete an article named The Kuningan Place? The reason for this is because I did not have the permission from the owner of the project.

Looking for your soonest reply. Fjahja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjahja (talk • contribs) 03:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Protected areas of Western Australia

Simply put, things like parks are 'of' a country and 'in' lower political subdivisions. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:endorsed

It must be that crappy computer you're using. Moondyne 15:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Common names

Needles & Corks!, what a poetic collection of names. I get a little buzz when I can create pages like that, even if they are only redirects. cygnis insignis 07:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll check the recent field guide. I would only bother searching the net for blue links. cygnis insignis 08:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Young's is a compilation of her two earlier north and south - and is wa only - dated 2006. the list has other states varieties too which i havent checked. SatuSuro 08:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It all looked good, until I realised we were using the same source. It's a reference, until a better one comes along. cygnis insignis 08:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

You've been watching talk pages again I see. I love Commons. I really enjoy being there. My camera had the misfortune of being in my side pocket when I came off the motorbike recently and therefore died a messy and unrepairable death. I'll get back there one day, now that I've healed up it might be sooner rather than later :) -- Longhair\^talk 11:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I am one of those pedants who actually has categories on my watchlist. No need now. -- Longhair\^talk 12:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Intrigued

I might add the categories at the bottom of the page. I saw no specific reason to note myself as a Tasmanian Resident (it is evident from most of my photographs anyway). I'd Assume you are from WA? I have no clue how to join the Tasmanian wiki project and to be honest apart from the occasional image I probably wouldn't have much to offer them as the bulk of my editing is on the mathematics, science and technology side of things.

Thanks for your compliments regarding the image, I haven't replaced the other Gordon Dam pic floating about in certain places as the wider view is only better in some context, plus it might offend the other uploader. Unfortunately I was there with the university so it wasn't practical to bring the tripod and I forgot to stop down the lens a bit so it isn't as sharp as it could be (I did get to see inside the power station though!) I can't be bothered driving that far again for a perfect photo however :)... Noodle snacks (talk) 11:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

John Pemberton deletion

The John Pemberton article that you noted as useful for the Indonesia project has been speedily deleted (in a matter of hours) without any discussion or debate. I encourage you to comment in this discussion: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_September_25

I'm mainly a deletionist but you've convinced me of the notability of this subject. I would strongly encourage you to expand on the summary of his critique of Javanese politics and the New Order, even without further references (but better with). Your description is somewhat oblique, even to someone who knows that he's supposed to be reading between the lines. Go into the juicy details! Bongomatic (talk) 06:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Wilderness Diarrhea Getting Killed

Your comment on an outdoors article makes it seem possible you'd be interested in this. Wilderness Diarrhea is getting merged into Travelers Diarrhea by a couple of zealots who seem to have no concept of outdoor interests.

I get around a lot in the outdoors and rarely treat water, but WD article had some good stuff.

After a couple of weeks of calm discussion, I went ballistic and no longer want to participate. Rational voices might help.

These guys have irrationally convinced themselves that WD isn't a legitimate topic for a Wikipedia article.

I've pointed out several bomb-proof arguements to no avail. I'd say the strongest is the vast number of published articles that discuss WD as a separate concern from TD. They are both environmental health topics, and obviously the context of each are far different.

Calamitybrook (talk) 06:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

RE : prod

I saw the website, it's a company that exports furniture and advertising its products. That would fall under speedy deletion G11, which in this case did. On the other hand, proposed deletion is for uncontroversial deletions (means it is very likely to be a unilateral decision to delete if sent to AfD) if the article does not meet any criterion for speedy deletion. Hope that answers your question. Happy editing! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 12:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Perth Gazette

I've just been over at Wikisource, trying to put The West's house in order. Check these out:

• Wikisource:The Perth gazette and Western Australian journal
  • Wikisource:The Perth gazette and Western Australian journal/Volume 1
• Wikisource:The Perth gazette, and independent journal of politics and news
• Wikisource:The Perth gazette and Western Australian times
• Wikisource:The Western Australian times
• Wikisource:The West Australian
• Wikisource:The West Australian/11 February 1954

What do ya reckon? Hesperian 14:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Derwent River photo

Your right, the photo doesn't offer much identifying information and I'd like to see a better replacement photo too. I created the infobox with a photo of the Derwent Bridge and Derwent Estuary, but removed it when I realised the Derwent River wasn't in the photo. - Shiftchange (talk) 05:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

You may want to look into the difference between a river's estuary and the river. If you see that the photo is part of the river that is tidal then maybe it is fine. Also considering the Tasman Bridge, some related articles and some refs discuss it crossing the Derwent River the bdige pic may be the most appropriate as I originally thought. - Shiftchange (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

WAGR Locomotives

I am currently working on several articles about WAGR steam locomotives which I hope to upload soon. I'm very new to Wikipedia though so I would appreciate any help! :)

My first page is up! Feel free to check it out :p - WAGR Pr Class

Corporal29 (talk) 06:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

ASSCO Page

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, have cleaned it up. Sulzer55 (talk) 09:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your appreciation! I'm working on my next one now - namely the P class. I hope to do just about as many as I can! Furthermore I hugely altered the WAGR page and began a lot of new sections but didn't get around to finishing any but 1 today. The Locomotives section is a little lengthy, and I would like to have it as its own page, as I think it could serve as a useful index to the other classes used. I've tried to reference everything as thoroughly as possible...but I'm not sure how much will be unacceptable. I'm going to do some extra research tomorrow to try and expand my number of sources as well. Thanks again, Tim Corporal29 (talk) 14:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note: I've mentioned the E/s class on the Pr page, but thought it best to leave out the F/s as they were primarily freight locomotives. Also, as the Pm/Pmr class were not introduced until 1951 and only served temporarily as passenger locomotives before relegation to goods workings I thought it better to not mention them. If you think I should include them though I'll happily oblige :) I just don't know how much is too much, if you know what I mean?

Corporal29 (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your encouragement! I'm really excited about doing this, it seems to be filling quite a niche. Places however, I am not familiar with at all!! I know about a few, but only in the Perth area, so only on the Eastern Railway. I know about Perth, and the lines to Midland, Fremantle, Armadale and the Jandakot Branch (limited) but hopeless if it's anything country related. I know only about the locomotive depots at Fremantle and East Perth and the Workshops at Midland and Fremantle. I actually dream of one-day writing a book on WA railways, so I'll have to find eventually I suppose!! Incidentally, why do you ask?

Corporal29 (talk) 14:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep. That's explains. I'm not sure what it is about the country lines / depots etc, they just don't seem to interest me too much. I would like to find out more about the regional centers though. As for being a newcomer, I've been fascinated by WA's railways since my earliest memories - parents taking me out on trips to chase the Hotham Valley trains etc. But then came school and unfortunately I suffered from trains not being a particularly 'cool' interest, so my interest was sidelined for the better part of a decade until two years ago, when I was in my last year and I suddenly fell in love with the history of Perth. I'm now at uni, in my first year (I'm 18), doing an Arts degree (majoring in History) and very much back-into the WA railways scene! I'd love any help, and I'll never say no to advice, suggestions or anything like that. Incidentally, if you want to check it out I have put up the P class page...

Thanks again, Corporal29 (talk) 15:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

When I have time later in the year I might clean out the Government Gazettes and see what they have. Every line, as opened, is gazetted of course, and there's plenty of rail timetables and fare guides and so on in there as well. If anyone has time and wants to look themselves, 1931 and onward are in the Battye Library (3rd floor) to the right of the information desk as you walk in from the lifts. If any help is needed with finding stuff in gazettes, I am happy to provide it - I've gotten quite fluent with them over the last two years, although more to do with local government and establishments (I've just seen the railway stuff on the way through). I'm also building a statutes database and many of the early Wheatbelt railways were initiated by statute. Orderinchaos 16:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Hang Tuah

The matter has been discussed in the talk page if you require background behind the edit. And indeed, I don't really care about using the edit summary by providing fuller explanation, especially when it concerns repeatedly vandalized articles. __earth ^(Talk) 16:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

warning

thanks. I knew i was pushing my luck a bit...i just hope to get down some little stubs to then flesh out (incidentally I am fleshing out the E and Dm classes right now). I have loads of sources (I'm surrounded by books at the moment :p) so sourcing shouldn't be a problem. thanks for the heads-up. I'll try and make the arts bigger and better asap, and won't make any more til the one's I have made are up to scratch. cheers! Corporal29 (talk) 01:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

which one have you tagged? then i can 'reverse engineer it'Corporal29 (talk) 01:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

okay cool. I will do. and yes, but I only book 2! just as well though, and I see the picture! that's awesome. wish I could have experienced something like that! incidentally, do you think that it would be best to combine the D, Dm and Dd classes into a single 'WAGR D-type Class' art or something? Corporal29 (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

hate to sound like the total newbie I am, but what is dyk? :p Corporal29 (talk) 01:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

wow I see! That's pretty incredible, and i'll look into it. i'm browsing the wikiproject trains page now. Corporal29 (talk) 01:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

changes

Hello again. I've added tags and stub-marker things to all of my arts, but have decided that my attempts to rush out and make as many as possile arts was futile. I have thus decided to work on one at a time and get them up to scratch. the one I am choosing to do is the Pr art, but will also work on the P art. I only have one Pr photo and it is really bad, but hopefully i'll be able to get another soon. also I have no historical photos of any locomotives. regards, Corporal29 (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks good to hear! I put in an info box into the Pr art, and am going to add as much detail as possible...going to do research in battye in a few minutes! also, I'm putting in references to all my stubs - i'm just going to put Gunzberg for now as i know all of the info at least is in his book. a quick last question though: how did articles like the WAGR main article survive so long with only 1 in-line reference? am i doing my referencing wrongly? cheers again! Corporal29 (talk) 02:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

okay understood. can I just say thanks so much for all your help and encouragment!! Corporal29 (talk) 02:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I just had a thought...will it be open on a public holiday? and I might not be able to go, my mate wants me to go to the show. If I do get there though you can recognise me easily enough :p, 6ft 2, not too thin and dark brown hair ;) Corporal29 (talk) 02:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Flatlands

I lost track of my friends, I lost my kin, I cut them off as limbs. I drove out over the flatlands ... The plains are beautiful. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 03:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Bindoon

Yes the intro was a bit vague, and I think it's better now. I don't like changing other peoples edits unless they are incorrect or biased, it makes me feel as though I'm dismissing their efforts or being rude (maybe I'm being overly sensitive). Thanks for the refs - I'll have a closelook at those later. Regards --Hughesdarren (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Most ppl say I'm about as sensitive as a toilet seat, but I do notice alot of conflict on Wikipedia is due to overly aggressive editing and I'd hate to offend anyone who has taken the time to make an edit by thoughtless removal of their work. --Hughesdarren (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the refs on Lake King etc.. Lots of stuff on Kojonup on the internet but it's all the same.

It is being suggested that I should go mow the lawns while it isn't raining by she who must be obeyed. Have fun at the tip!--Hughesdarren (talk) 02:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Very funny, serves me right for having a guess, I was just going to say railway but assumed it was all part of the same network.--Hughesdarren (talk) 12:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

WAGR P and Pr Classes

Hello! I went to the show for 10 hours on Monday! But I got to the Battye today and now have quite a bit more info for turning the Pr Class art into something quite good. I'd still like more references etc so I'll be going back shortly but, in my hopes to write a book on WA's railways, I'll probably be in there whenever I'm not at home or uni! A quick question though - I was wondering if perhaps I should combine my P and Pr arts. Wikiproject Trains gives an example of one of its best arts as SR West Country and Battle of Britain Classes and, as with the light pacifics, the P and the Pr could, I think, benefit from a shared article. What do you think? Regards, Tim Corporal29 (talk) 08:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. And how would you divide up the D/Ds/Dm/Dd classes? Also with the E there is also the Ec. In my very low quality E class art I have covered all 3, but it is very unfinished. Pm and Pmr warrant a sep article to P / Pr in my opinion, as differences there were much more even though many of the same specs. Do you agree on that point? I think a P/Pr/Pm/Pmr art would be very cluttered, same with D/Ds/Dm etc. I think perhaps with the D-type tanks it should be D / Ds, Dm / Dd? Regards, Corporal29 (talk) 08:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the reference to Gunzburg's book. I don't have a hard copy either, so more trips to Battye are in order I think ;) The only one I'm still a little unsure about is the P / Pr. From what I have read of his book (which groups them together), they were originally classed as the P class, but referred to as the 'River' class, though they soon appeared on official lists as Pr. With name plates, 9% increase in tractive effort, slight increase in length, weight and detail improvements to valves, bogies etc, initial independent construction and level of prestige when introduced I often think they deserve their own article. However as it is I'm working on a large combined article with info boxes and everything I can possibly include by way of tags and categories and references to disambiguation pages and lists and current articles. I'm going to do it all on Word. I figure that as the current articles are my own I won't be treading on toes by making a new one. But just affirming again that I do agree with you as to seperation of classes. On that note the E/Ec/Es will all be the same art, D/Ds would be the same and Dm/Dd (I have a strange leaning towards the suburban types :) would probably be best served in a single article. Any thoughts? Corporal29 (talk)

As far as I know Ds were superheated D. I'll look into it. I improved the Pr art with info box etc last night, I'm not sure if you've seen it Corporal29 (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. On my new WIP art P/Pr I am using the "ref name" cite technique in connection with a seperate bibliography. Should make things a bit cleaner at the end of the day, and help make using the same ref easier. Cheers, Tim Corporal29 (talk) 13:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Baa err Bah

I've just replied on User talk:Longhair#Bah and thought I'll give your talk page some content. ;) Bidgee (talk) 12:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

heheh yer well I get a little grumpy in my old age *cough* even though I'm in my 20s. ;) Now I just walk away from the computer and go for a walk or do something else. Bidgee (talk) 12:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's a bit late to call in these guys over to the Indonesian project? Bidgee (talk) 12:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Travelling

Where are you off to dear sir? YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 04:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia

Please review and pass the following article for GA class. It is well referenced article of brilliant prose and both the Rambling man and user talk:Jimbo Wales agree it should be a Good Article. Last king of Frisia (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

CSD

I had tagged it a while ago, but hadnt noticed that the page creator had removed the tag... do you still want me to remove it? TallNapoleon (talk) 10:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry about that, I'll make sure to do so in future. TallNapoleon (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Round Earth Theatre Company

thanks for help with the Round Earth/Theatre co art - it needed help - I hope to catch up with richard in december i have known him since 1972 :( SatuSuro 13:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Glad to help. I enjoyed the day tour guide of Sarah Island, and the play was informative and fun when I saw them working on two levels for both children and adults - not always easy to do. There are lots of web references to the play, but very few high quality secondary sources. Maybe there are some printed references we can use? I have been adding various Tasmanian articles building upon information gathered on a quick holiday there in Sept-Oct. --Takver (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

'70's 80's press cutting scrap book' would be just the thing for finding those references. :) I'm not heavily into arts - history is more my cup of tea. This article is looking much better.--Takver (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Archives

Hey SatuSuro, how do I archive my user talk page?? Thanks, Spy007au (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. I managed to do it without any hicups. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 14:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed, BTW - do you know or can recommend someone who has excellent copy-editing skills who would be prepared to read and fix the Darwin Rebellion article. I have asked a couple of other users, but haven't had any luck. I really want to get this article to GA status, but the little bit extra needed is beyond my skills. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, the wife and I have had the air-con on for about 3 weeks now. The rains have started, so we are hoping for a really good wet-season, as we both luv the rain. Extremely hot and muggy during the day. Spy007au (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thought it through!

You are absolutely correct, neither Javanese nor Indonesian cultures are totally Islamic, in fact, there are more Arab Christians in the world than Indonesian Christians, so Arab society is even less Islamic. The point of the template is literature and architecture and other human endeavors that have been heavily influenced by Islam. --Enzuru 00:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

There are many templates going over Islamic contributions to India and China. The reason we are more broad with the groups listed (Arab, Indonesian, Sindhi, etc) is because these groups are over 90% Muslim in demographics. You cannot say the same for China or India. I am not going to say either group has only had contributions by Islam: I am Pashtun and I will never say our only contributions are from Islam, so I can see why you might be offended. But I know our culture, music, literature, is part of a greater Islamic heritage because of how Islam has been embedded into our society and history. There is no such thing really as Islamic empire or Islamic culture, rather it is a grouping of many secular cultures that together make up the Islamic world. --Enzuru 00:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

If the template is taken out, I will not put it back in. That's fine, I understand your concern completely. --Enzuru 00:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for your help. I don't believe Javanese culture is easy to categorize, and I know it never will be, just like every other culture. Do what you think is best. --Enzuru 01:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Monday

I'll go sit in the corner with my nose against the wall if it helps the rest of you get back to constructive editing :) -- Longhair\^talk 00:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Guidance Barnstar
		The Guidance Barnstar is awarded to users who help others locate valuable resources, information, or assistance. This is for you with thanks. Moondyne 09:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Marine-geo-stub

Hi SS - actually, it's been around for a while, I just decided to, um, trawl through Category:Oceanography stubs to find a few more that should have been marked with it. There's currently (sigh) talk at WP:WSS/P about creating a separate stub for ocean currents, too. Grutness...wha? 01:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

RS

Thanks, however, I would regard this sentence as POV - For non native Indonesians and Malays, the languages seem similar, but for native users, the differences are disturbing when used for a deep verbal conversation or during written communication. My editing was more a rewording than my own opinion.

Also, as someone from the UK who grew up in Singapore and visited Malaysia and Indonesia regularly, I've never heard anyone refer to the Malay language in English as 'Malaysian', only as Bahasa Malaysia, and only then in Malaysia itself. I suppose it could be called that, just as the language of Indonesia is called Indonesian, but I don't think it'd be popular in Singapore and Brunei, where it has always been know as Malay. Terima kasih banyak.Quiensabe (talk) 08:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I didn't remove the spelling section at all - I moved some of the sentences to different paragraphs. As to the pragraph we were discussing earlier, I'm not that bothered - all that needs to be said is that the two languages are mutually intelligible but distinct, as are Hindi and Urdu. Quiensabe (talk) 10:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

To Your Question

go on to the insert drop down menu and click on latin. It is one of the options there

The editor

Hi thanks, before i added the logo i did go and look at the photo to see who it was uploaded by and it wasn't the same editor(IP) and the logo seems to be real going by the Seven website and BTQ, plus it has been fine up until now. I don't just jump in, i did try and make sure it was correct first.Thuringowacityrep (talk) 08:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks! Much appreciated. As to "clearing up the mess", put it down to obsessive-compulsive wikiholism :) Grutness...wha? 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've got enough to do with all this stubbing - I don't want to even think about talk-page assessment templates! In any case, I've had enough for the night (it's 2am fer crissakes - I'm off to bed!) Grutness...wha? 13:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

ta

Thanks for the pointy star. I've got it under control man, I can stop anytime I want! Tell me, do you recall hearing the name bullfrog being used for a local species? cygnis insignis 05:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I've gone red

I'm fine mate. Currently battling 60 km/h winds and possible bushfire problem. Watching out of course :) Stay safe yourself ok. -- Longhair\^talk 05:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Thanks! The extended version is at User talk:BlackJack#CfD but it isn't anything you haven't heard before. Discussion at CfD is like banging your head against a brick wall; if you stop you instantly feel better! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 03:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mount Murray railway station

FYI, AfD withdrawn by nom. Heritage significance was pretty easy to find, and the debate reminds me of this one. Euryalus (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree about not sharing strong views on the new Project page, given how young the concept is. But feel free to share them on my talk page. I'm interested in what the strong POV is, having some views of local heritage listings myself. Euryalus (talk) 06:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

lucky?

Heard it on the radio on the weekend and thought I should update the article - mystery solved as to his taped appearances on the radio. Dan arndt (talk) 07:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Will check to see if such a list exists. Dan arndt (talk) 07:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep - done that, what I meant to say but was too quick was I'd check to see whether there was a CAT for that but there isn't so have updated GBS article instead. Dan arndt (talk) 07:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Centennial celebrations

Is coming along very nicely. Well done. You should upload this - I hadn't seen it before. Moondyne 12:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Needs to be done today or tomorrow at latest (5 day rule). Hows about:

"... that in 1929 Western Australia celebrated its Centenary of foundation which included dances, race meetings, an air race and other sporting events?"

Moondyne 01:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Assessments

I don't have time or energy to nominate every article for deletion, I already do more than most, but nothing stopping you. I think I will find other things do with my time, including returning to translating German rail articles with dictionaries.--Grahame (talk) 13:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't complaining, always happy to receive chit chat.--Grahame (talk) 13:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree they are rubbishy, but also this film stuff won't get deleted, or it will get recreated sooner or later. They are usually notable in some sense, and secondary sources are out there somewhere. I use automatic translations, but that produces semi-random rubbish, which then has to be put into English; usually I don't need a dictionary, I can rely on my knowledge of railways and Germany to guess my way through it. The main problem is that German place names get translated as well and most German place names have literal meanings. There is also the problem that the German WP articles are often poorly sourced and that people complain about German language refs.--Grahame (talk) 13:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Swan View Tunnel

Hi. The photo I added to Swan View Tunnel doesn't specify which end of the tunnel I was in, but it was the western end. Are you referring instead to the headline photo on the article which says it's the eastern entrance? As far as I can recall that's accurate: the western end has rocks above the tunnel mouth, whereas the eastern end is much less imposing. - Mark 01:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverse angle parking

The part of NSW where I live does not enforce reverse angle parking because new residents and visitors from across the river (a) have no clue about the requirement and (b) are terrified if they actually have to perform the procedure.

Go north from here though and general chaos rules when parking! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 23:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Evenin'. I had a quick look and it seems there is a ref for that bit you asked for a citation. That para seems to be straight from the actual river art. Not sure if the para should be deleted or the ref added? What do you think the copyright on the image here is: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/events/exhibitions/2006/ontherun/images/s9.html SeanMack (talk) 06:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The image is in the public domain, as the creator died before January 1, 1955. The template {{PD-Australia}} is appropriate for this image.-- Longhair\^talk 07:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

-- Cool. I've uploaded it and added to the article. Hopefully the license is ok... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alexander_Pearce_executed_for_murder,_July_19_1824.jpg) SeanMack (talk) 10:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep the license, PD-Australia is perfect for such works. Gnangarra 12:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Centenary of Western Australia

On 2 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Centenary of Western Australia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 08:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey

No luck as yet. I have approached a couple of users who list history as one of their interests, but no replies as yet. I'll keep trying and see how we go. Talk when you get back. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 12:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Javanese script

Actually it is not incorrect. Only there are not 8 millions but 80 millions of speakers. Meursault2004 (talk) 09:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

124 millions is too much, that includes Sundanese as well. But the CIA figures of 95-100 is more reliable. BTW Javanese speakers and Javanese people are different things. Many people in Jakarta for example are ethnic Javanese but they only speak jv-1. The other way is also true. There are many non-Javanese who speak Javanese. Think about Sundanese, Madurese, but also of people of Chinese, Indian and Middle-Eastern descent on Java. Furthermore there are 'Indo' people who speak different forms of Javanese. Meursault2004 (talk) 14:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Street view

The day I spot a street view vehicle out here mate is the day I won't believe it :) -- Longhair\^talk 10:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Donating to the WA Branch of Wikimedia Australia

Does Wikimedia Australia have a WA branch? How can I get involved? How can I donate? Is there anyone here that I can contact off-line (including phone or P.O. Boxes)? Do you feel the west coast is the best coast ^_^ ? :)--Thecurran (talk) 20:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: William Street

Hey :) Thanks for the email. Also, as for William Street, I'm in the process of writing a gazillion articles that I went Battye on yesterday, but when I get finished with them I'll look into fixing up our arterial road articles too. - Mark 03:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Assessment

no probs..... sorry I can't be more help for indonesia pusaka article though.... running out of idea what should be included. I'll see some kind of english song such as rule britannia first to get the idea. w_tanoto (talk) 05:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't really get what you mean. I am not accustomised with bots... lol. My javanese? yes it is one of my mother tongue, I can speak it, but don't ever rely on my for writing javanese script or romanised javanese. I am terrible at that. lol. Have a nice break.... I am actually reducing my wikipedia presence myself. w_tanoto (talk) 05:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

lol.... selamet ngerayak'ke natal (happy christmas) - lol. (I know it is the right pronounciation if you read it, but not sure if it is a proper written form). That is, if you celebrate it. I am roman catholic, so yes, I celebrate it. so, matur nuwun. w_tanoto (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Satusuro, thanks for the advice on Frankland Range. I'm going walking there next week and taking a good camera, so I plan to create articles on all the red linked peaks as well as expand the main article. I'll be checking the article's discussion page while I'm not walking so feel free to leave suggestions there. Felix Dance (talk) 22:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

SS, my very best wishes for the festive season stay safe and talk to you in 2009.--VS ^talk 11:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

unitarian greetings

deleted link to u tube

• Oh well when your talk page is protected for use by admins only maybe your sense of humour is not worth having? It simply reminded me of all the things i have ever said about the ethnocentric geographically challenged totally selfish and self centred nature of the culture they come from - if madoff could do it so well - it says a lot about the culture. unitarian rot. cheers have a good new year cas and may you find the opportunity to undo the strictures on your talk page SatuSuro 00:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidate: List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty

Hi, SatuSuro!! I saw on this page that you were one of the members of the WikiProject Royalty. The project is very underrepresented among featured lists. I have thus submitted the List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty, on which I worked on, as a featured list candidate. If you would be kind enough to take some of your time and review the list here, I would be extremely grateful. Regards. BomBom (talk) 23:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Email

Sorry, I couldn't actually find any users with that username. J Milburn (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)