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Speedy deletion nomination of Graves of Valor

A tag has been placed on Graves of Valor requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please reply on the discussion page here.keystoneridin! (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Graves of Valor has been reverted.
Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): \bmyspace\.com (links: http://www.myspace.com/gravesofvalor).
If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 20:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

August 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Graves of Valor, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. I42 (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Revocation (band)

A tag has been placed on Revocation (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. I42 (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Empire of the Obscene

A tag has been placed on Empire of the Obscene requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a musical recording which does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, and where the artist's article has never existed, has been deleted or is eligible for deletion itself. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for music.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 18:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Existence is Futile

A tag has been placed on Existence is Futile requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a musical recording which does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, and where the artist's article has never existed, has been deleted or is eligible for deletion itself. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for music.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Inevitable End

A tag has been placed on Inevitable End requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. I42 (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The article Revocation (band) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article, which appeared to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the notability of the subject may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 16 (band)

A tag has been placed on 16 (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problems with 16 (band)

Hello. Concerning your contribution, 16 (band), please note that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites or printed material, without the permission of the author(s). This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.last.fm/music/16/+wiki. As a copyright violation, 16 (band) appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. 16 (band) has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message.

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However, for textual content, you may simply consider rewriting the content in your own words. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright concerns very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Thank you. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your comment at the Inevitable End talk page

Please understand something here, Inevitable End may be a real band as you say but I could very well make a band (which is fake) and record a demo for instance but that doesn't mean that it's real and that it should be on Wikipedia. You need to back up your information such as the statement: "well known within the heavy metal community" with a reliable third party source exclaiming that fact. Also understand that notability is not inherited. Just because a band tours with other notable bands doesn't make it instantly notable. The sources on the article at the moment are unreliable and are self-published as well. I don't mean to be blunt here and all. I am just trying to help you out in understanding Wikipedia's ways. If you have any questions you can always message me at my talk page. FireCrystal (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I very much understand how hard it is for underground metal bands to be sourced properly. Even most of WikiProject metal has trouble sourcing the more underground bands because of the lack of strictly heavy metal sources. The thing is they may never chart but charting is not the only way to pass WP:MUSIC, there are many other components to a band's notability, such as: having material aired on a notable radio station (as hard as it is for metal bands), contributing material (songs or etc.) for a tv show, film or video game that is notable or has released two studio albums on a major label (they do have one so far so if they release another by them then they would pass). The amount of fans a band has is irrelevant and not notable unless an outside source (third party) covers them. Well, I wouldn't say there's noone documenting/writing about heavy metal, there are a few such as Garry-Sharpe Young who has published many detailed books on heavy metal topics and has written many biographies for bands (one being Inevitable End on the MusicMight site), more published books by Kahn Harris, the heavy metal documentary by Sam Dunn and a few others.

I know too well that heavy metal is loved the world over but Wikipedia is strict on notability and if a band can't quite make it then they don't deserve a page. That is just how it works on Wikipedia. If an article on a notable band with 12 studio albums released by a notable label was created it would still be deleted because it didn't indicate any kind of notability in context. Basically google "is your friend", search for reliable sources and make sure they match the criteria for third party sources. They could be anything from Rolling Stone to Blabbermouth.net. It just needs to be separate from the artist (or label) themselves and again MySpace should not be used as a source for reasons above. You do know that lambgoat.com smnnews.com blabbermouth.net are all ok when it comes to sources. I'm not too sure they have sources in print but they probably have a few reliable sources online and allmusic could be a good bet. Interviews to members are ok but are mostly for trivial matters or for some inside info and the like but should never exclusively be used as sources.

I'm not sure what you mean by opinion posts, do you mean blogs or something similar? Opinions can be appropriate if they don't en mass to one side being bad and the other being good. Article must be on neutral terms and should not go too far one way or the other but I'm not sure if this is what you meant by opinion posts. It is surely something good to know when creating an article though. No you don't sound angry to me. Just a bit troubled which is normal to new Wikipedia users. I had my fair share of notability problems and deleted articles because of it in my early days of Wikipedia as well but soon came to understand and respect them. So I hope you do too.

I think it would be a good call to make a subpage where you can work out an article before copying it and making it into an article. A subpage can be created by putting your user name and a slash at the end like this: User:T0778kj/subpage. You can name it whatever you like but remember to exclude things such as categories and images, etc because it is not an official article. You can have the article userfied for you before it is deleted or you can copy it all for yourself and work on it without the worry of deletion. Having thousands of fans sign a petition would not work. I assure you, I have seen it before in some AFDs and most (if not all) were ignored for not having a good reason to keep the article. In some way I am sure something I said has helped you!

FireCrystal (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Coliseum (band)

A tag has been placed on Coliseum (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 18:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)