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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I am delighted to see your busy initial edits but please have a careful read of WP:ENGVAR, which tells us not as a general rule to change spellings or even words between dialects of English, so for example I should not, without very good reason, change "colour" to "color" or "trunk" to "boot". It's a bit of a minefield and people do get upset over it sometimes, so is best avoided until you really feel at home here. The WP:TEAHOUSE is brilliant for new editors, by the way. Happy Editing! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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You shouldn't have a copy of the article in your sandbox, it means you copy-and-pasted, instead of moving the draft, which is against policy.

I'm interested in why you picked this obscure company to write about. If you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for an organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at Thesecondcoal. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Thesecondcoal|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Also read the following regarding writing an article:

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• Some of your text was unreferenced, and some of the ref were unsuitable, including press releases and interviews with boss. We need independent third-party sources. You mention the government website; that only confirms that the company exists, doesn't make it notable, and as far as I can see the linked page doesn't confirm the text provides a variety of payment solutions, including multi-currency IBAN accounts and international money transfers

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• Unsourced prom includes expanded its operations to serve a global client base... now serves thousands of both corporate and individual clients worldwide... convert up to 38 different currencies at competitive rates... facilitating fast and secure transactions... The company is recognised for its innovative payment solutions and commitment to transparency. and so on, it's like a company blurb.

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If you have a conflict of interest, you must disclose the nature of that COI. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your the time and the detailed feedback. I understand how important it is to maintain Wikipedia's high standards.

Regarding the sandbox issue, that was a rookie mistake on my part. I will make sure to follow the correct procedures going forward. It was an oversight, and I'm 100% responsible for it.

As for the page, I chose this company as part of my financial research on UK electronic money institutions within the EU (which is my master's thesis). I came across it by analyzing the company's competitors: Wise, N26, Revolut and others. I saw an opportunity to share the information I found. I was planning on further adding to the page by using the official government data and documents. However, I fully understand the importance of verifying notability with independent, reliable sources, and I will work to gather more appropriate references in future edits. I also really appreciate your guidance on the tone and structure of the article, and I’ll make sure to prioritize neutrality and accuracy. I want to clarify that I don’t have any conflicts of interest—I don’t work for this company or any of its competitors, nor am I their client.

The information I referenced is indeed from government sources, including the incorporation documents and the Statement of Capital from 2018-08-21. I realize now that I should have highlighted these details, such as the ownership and management changes, which would provide the hard, verifiable facts you mentioned. In regards to websites, I thought they could be a valid source because on some pages - they seem to be, and N26 referenced similar websites (even their own, which is not deemed credible, right?)

Since both the article and my sandbox have been deleted, would it be possible to restore a version where I can apply the necessary edits and improvements? Would you kindly then review the draft before publishing it (the right way)? Thesecondcoal (talk) 12:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I think the company website is OK for obvious facts where there is no better source, such as number of employees, financials and similar, it's more dubious for products since the company will use mark its own homework when telling us how wonderful they are. You will struggle for an article to survive if there is a significant amount of unsourced text too. Anyway, I've restored to User:Thesecondcoal/Payset Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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