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Cliff Cash

No worries about lots of requests, but perhaps post here, or on my talk page for any further administrative actions to take that don't directly involve that other user. As for move protection, it is currently move protected and requires autoconfirmed or extended confirmed. There's something fishy going on here. I am not familiar with what led to the current move protection so I'll ask the protecting admin.

@Favonian: Can you have a look at Cliff Cash? You move protected this for some reason related to sockpuppetry. The article got moved to draft by user:XyreneRed who was able to do it by beelining to autoconfirmed with a series of short description edits. Curiously, that user account was created Dec 3, 2021 and only made a single edit to their user page one year later and has been dormant until now whereupon they immediately futzed around with the Cliff Cash page. That seems rather odd. -- Whpq (talk) 01:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

XyreneRed (not pinged) is indeed a sockpuppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Liamb2011. Tollens (talk) 01:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why the account was dormant so long. Doesn't really matter though, I suppose. It's certainly the same person behind the account – only editing from the iOS app, same pattern of trying to edit Cliff Cash and now Kristen Hanby (User:XyreneRed/sandbox). Tollens (talk) 01:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Whpq: Kristen Hanby has just been moved to article space. Tollens (talk) 01:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User now blocked. Tollens (talk) 01:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like Liz has temporarily upgraded the move protection on Cliff Cash and salted Kristen Hanby (thank you!). This looks like it has all been dealt with now, hopefully. Tollens (talk) 10:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, a lot has happened since I was last on. Thanks to all for taking care of this. -- Whpq (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Pirate dzns (10:45, 10 April 2024)

how can i make kaimla article semi-protected for me --Pirate dzns (talk) 10:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pirate dzns: The whole reason it is extended-confirmed protected in this case is so that you cannot edit it during the dispute that you're involved in right now. You are welcome to discuss on the talk page to attempt to reach consensus for your change. Tollens (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Harbinger of Dark Mode

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	Thank you for making a working, well-designed dark theme! Rafaelloaa (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

That's hilarious, thank you! Glad it's useful! Tollens (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Diyajain95138 (14:17, 25 April 2024)

Hello, this is Diya, I want to create a new wikipedia page. How do i go about it? --Diyajain95138 (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Diyajain95138, and welcome to Wikipedia! There's an information page available at Help:Your first article that should be of assistance; if you've read that and need clarification please do let me know. I cannot stress enough how important it is to find reliable sources which you will base your article on before you start writing – one of the most common mistakes new editors make is to write the article first and look for references to support what they've written afterwards, rather than writing the article based only on sources they already found. The information page I linked above has a button which will assist you in creating a draft page where you can work on your article when you're ready. Tollens (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mj Abella on Pretty Good Privacy (00:39, 28 April 2024)

hellow --Mj Abella (talk) 00:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mj Abella on Wikipedia:User access levels (00:56, 28 April 2024)

hello ilove u --Mj Abella (talk) 00:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

how i would edit

How do I start editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxwell ogenrwoth (talk • contribs) 14:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Maxwell ogenrwoth! Reading through Help:Introduction is an excellent way to get a handle on the most important things you'll need to know, if your question is mainly about how to actually make an edit to an article. If you are instead looking for something to help out with, you might be interested in the Task Center, which has a good list of the jobs that make Wikipedia work. If you need help with something specific, please do ask – I'm more than happy to point you in the right direction. Tollens (talk) 11:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from ChangCamille155 (18:16, 29 April 2024)

Hello I created a page around my specialty, which is physical therapy, I though D had a conflict of interest but after reading the page about COI, I don't. However, I don't know where my article went.

My article was name " Canadian Academy of Manipulative Physiotherapy " --ChangCamille155 (talk) 18:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello ChangCamille155! It appears that Draft:Canadian Academy of Manipulative Physiotherapy was deleted; the reason given by the administrator who deleted the page is that the draft was promotional of the subject rather than being a neutrally-written encyclopedia article. I am not able to view the content of the deleted draft, so I'm not able to give you any particularly helpful advice about what would need to be done differently. You might want to contact the administrator who deleted the page instead, who appears to be Jimfbleak – you can reach him at his talk page. Tollens (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you

ChangCamille155 (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Prince Mobolaji (19:22, 29 April 2024)

how do I become a good writer and I will like you to mentor me on how to become a politician without madnes in attitude. --Prince Mobolaji (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Prince Mobolaji – I'm sorry, but I am not entirely certain what you mean. I can only help with matters directly related to using or editing Wikipedia, do you have a related question? Tollens (talk) 07:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from DavidStevenMedina (21:20, 3 May 2024)

Once I complete a new draft article in my sandbox, how do I forward it on for review? --DavidStevenMedina (talk) 21:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@DavidStevenMedina: Apologies for the delayed response. It looks like you blanked your draft article, do you still need assistance? Tollens (talk) 14:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Arsheyan (06:39, 6 May 2024)

How can I summarize an article? --Arsheyan (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arsheyan: I'm not certain what you're asking about. Is this question related to using or editing Wikipedia? I'm not aware of any Wikipedia process that needs a summary of an article. If this question is directly related to Wikipedia, could you provide a link to the page you were looking at that asks for a summary so that I can help more effectively? Alternatively, if the question is not related to Wikipedia (perhaps a school project?), you would likely be better served by searching the internet for resources to help you, rather than asking here. Tollens (talk) 14:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from EagleRoyce (04:54, 8 May 2024)

Hello Recently I published an article on Sandbox. However, it was rejected as I couldn't provide reliable resources. The word exactly from the Wikipedia editor "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". What can I do about this message? --EagleRoyce (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi EagleRoyce! On Wikipedia, before an article can be published, it needs to first be demonstrated that reliable sources have already chosen to talk about the subject, and they need to have done so independently, without being prompted to by the subject of the article. Additionally, those sources can't just mention the subject in passing (like in a list of people who have won awards), they have to provide at least a fair amount of detail. Currently, looking through the list of references provided, I can only see one reference (the first one) that could meet those criteria, and I am unconvinced that the source is actually independent, given its promotional tone and the fact that it talks about "priceless memories", which nobody could know about but Thapa himself. The remaining references include his own website (which is not independent), two of his songs (also not independent), and two awards lists (which are not significant coverage). Multiple references which meet all of the criteria have to be found before the article can be published. Unfortunately, if sources like that simply don't exist, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about this person. Tollens (talk) 15:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from BUTOTO ISAAC (17:12, 9 May 2024)

How can I upload pictures --BUTOTO ISAAC (talk) 17:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi BUTOTO ISAAC! You can upload freely-licensed images (images that anybody can use for anything they want, so nothing copyrighted) at Wikimedia Commons. If the image you want to upload is not freely licensed, until you have made 10 edits and have had your account for 4 days, you will have to use Wikipedia:Files for Upload. After you have reached that requirement, you can use Special:Upload. Tollens (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dustygopher (23:00, 9 May 2024)

Hello, I have made an edit with a citation, I want to add more citations but I don't understand all the tags associated with them like first= and last= and access-date etc --Dustygopher (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Dustygopher, sorry for the delayed response! You don't necessarily need to understand every parameter, there is a tool which can build citation templates for you in many cases. If you are editing a page and look at the top bar under the title (near the Publish Changes button), there should be a "Cite" button which can do much of the work for you, and describes what most of the fields are for. The complete reference is at Help:CS1 if you want more detail on any of the parameters; to be clear, you don't need to memorize or even understand all of what's on that page (I'm almost certain nobody at all has everything there memorized), it's just there as a detailed reference if you need more information about a particular parameter. The three tags you ask about are for the author's name (first and last), and the date that you viewed the source on, so that others can more easily tell if the source may have changed significantly since it was used (access-date).

Don't worry too much about making the perfect reference. As long as a reader is able to tell what source you were using, the citation has done its job. Nice job including a citation in your very first edit, I know it's tricky. Tollens (talk) 19:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Credbolts on Network Aging Research (21:10, 13 May 2024)

Hi Tollens, I'm just starting out as an editor and I'm daunted by this suggested page, do you have any tips, guidance or direction you could offer? --Credbolts (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Credbolts! That's quite the article for it to suggest! Sorry for the wall of text below, this is a complex article to get started with editing on.

It looks like the article, as of right now, has no independent, reliable sources (the only reference is the organization's website, which isn't considered independent). From what I can tell, the page was originally created by translating de:Netzwerk Alternsforschung from the German Wikipedia, which doesn't have any sources not included in this version, so that won't be a whole lot of help.

To clean up an article like this, the first step would be to see if it actually meets Wikipedia's criteria for a topic to have an article at all (referred to here as "notability"). The main criteria are outlined at Wikipedia:Notability (skimming through that page, and reading the section "General notability guideline", is a good idea). For organizations, the criteria are more strict: for most articles, "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" is required, but Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) also requires that the sources be secondary and specifically requires multiple sources.

Knowing those criteria, you can try to find sources to meet those requirements. Searching the internet is usually a good place to start. Because the organization is German, it would be a good idea to try a search for "Netzwerk AlternsfoRschung", the name of the organization in German (note that there's no requirement for the sources to be in English). Machine translation is helpful if you don't speak German (I don't). Remember that the sources would need to directly talk about the organization, not just talk about, for example, a member of the group while only mentioning the organization in passing.

If you can find sources which meet those criteria, great! In that case, you can use the information in those sources to expand the article, or use the sources to support information that's already there. It appears the article is also tagged as being written like an advertisement; the tag was added when the article looked like this. It looks like most of the promotional-seeming content has already been pruned out (things like prides itself in being an interdisciplinary institute, for instance). Some of the content still there isn't ideal, like The goal of the NAR is to utilize existing networks, strengthen ties between cooperating institutions, and bring together varied disciplines that focus on ageing., but it would be tricky to rewrite that without source material to work from. If you can find a quote, for instance, it can be attributed to them, rather than being presented in Wikipedia's voice.

If you can't find multiple sources meeting the criteria (while you should do your own search, my search didn't come up with anything meeting them), the next step would be Wikipedia's redirection or deletion processes. This is obviously not preferred, our goal here is to build an encyclopedia, not delete one. It is very important, though, that articles be well-sourced. If they can't be, there unfortunately isn't another option. Merging or redirecting the article into a different article is preferred, if there is a good target article, because that way readers can still get some information. The "What links here" tool in the sidebar of the article, as well as the search tool, are good places to look. For that article, there are no incoming links from other articles, and it doesn't appear any other articles mention either "Network Aging Research" or "Netzwerk AlternsfoRschung". It looks like Heidelberg University § Associated institutions mentions "Network for Research on Ageing", which I assume is the same organization, but that's also nowhere else. It would probably not be unreasonable to redirect to that section. This could be done by replacing the entire content of the article with the text #REDIRECT [[Heidelberg University#Associated institutions]].

If you think the article should just be entirely deleted instead, the three processes for articles are speedy deletion (which is for very specific situations, none of which apply here, but you might be interested in reading about it), proposed deletion (which is for uncontroversial deletions, and is commonly called PROD), and articles for deletion (which is for everything else, and is commonly called AfD). Proposed deletions leave a big tag at the top of the page for one week: if anyone objects to deletion, for any reason, within that time, they can remove the tag and deletion is cancelled (and that process can never be used again on that article). At AfD, a week-long discussion (similar to, but not the same as, a vote) is open to anyone, and at the end of the week an uninvolved editor will determine what the consensus is (which could be deletion, merging, redirection, or simply keeping the article).

I'll leave it to you to decide what you think would be the best thing to do here (obviously the hope would be that you can find some sources and improve the article, but that might not be possible). If you need more help, or need clarification or additional advice, please do ask – sorry for the long response! Tollens (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't begin to thank you enough for the help and the time taken for such a detailed response. I took your advice in redirecting it to the main university page as none of my research held further sources that could have expanded the page -- other than the organization's site, which you mentioned wasn't considered independent. I considered the AfD route, but I figured that because it's mentioned in another place, it might hold relevance. Your comprehensive and digestible guidance has made editing seem a little less of a challenge. I will be sure to ask if I need something else.

Thank you, Credbolts (talk) 19:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Tollens/longCommenter.js

Where does the button appear? --MikutoH ^talk! 23:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

It should be in the same dropdown menu as the button for moving a page – depending on the skin you use, the menu will be called "More" or "Tools", and I think it's always near the 'View History' button. It won't show up unless you're looking at an article page. Tollens (talk) 23:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

It worked now. Thanks --MikutoH ^talk! 23:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nomnandi (16:38, 17 May 2024)

How can I make a quick money in South africa ? --Nomnandi (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Nomnandi. I can only help with questions related to using or editing Wikipedia, do you have a related question? Tollens (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jsamson2001 (17:49, 21 May 2024)

Hi. I am attempting to write an article on a genus of organism with a large number of species. the article will contain a list of all species within the genus. I am attempting to format it like the list of species in the article "phrynichus (arachnid)." Data for the species in the genus will come from sources like catalogueoflife.org and similar. What I'm wondering is if there is some sort of automatic tool you can think of off the top of your head that would put these all in a list automatically. Or do I just have to type all 40 or so out manually? let me know if you know of anything --Jsamson2001 (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jsamson2001: I'm not certain such a tool exists right now. If all the data is coming from those sources, I can probably write a script that could format them for you, if you give me a couple minutes. It doesn't appear that bugguide.net has any ability to ask it from a script if they have any data about a particular species (and it seems they usually don't from the very quick search I did), and it looks like COL has essentially identical data to ITIS and GBIF. It would be very easy to write if it just added the i c g footnotes without checking anything, would that be helpful? Tollens (talk) 18:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

That would actually be extremely helpful if you wanted to. Don't go to any more trouble on my behalf than you want to though. Would definitely be helpful for big genera Jsamson2001 (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any plan in particular for how or if you want to tag extinct species? Tollens (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I hadn't considered that, but maybe precede them with a cross like in the list of general at the end of this article? I'm not sure if websites like COL record that in such a way that it could be tagged automatically, but it could be manually added failing that Jsamson2001 (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

COL does, like in this list with Trogulus longpipes. I can add {{extinct}} in front of the name. Tollens (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I believe it should work – you can install the script by adding importScript("User:Tollens/speciesListFormatter.js"); // Backlink: [[User:Tollens/speciesListFormatter.js]] to User:Jsamson2001/common.js. The button should be in the "More" or "Tools" menu depending on the skin you're using. I split off the footnotes into a different input box, rather than just using i c g for everything. Tollens (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when I use the tool it says to paste from catalog of life. What exactly do I paste from there? Jsamson2001 (talk) 03:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Scratch that, just figured it out Jsamson2001 (talk) 03:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that's what I get for not checking the site before responding. Thank you. Jsamson2001 (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)