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Ahmad Mammadli

Hi, I removed the information about Ahmad Mammadli because the only thing that links that information to the article is believe of his lawyer that he detained because he criticized recent clashes, Also, reviewing the Facebook posts linked to the source, you will find out that they were not posted during the clashes and are not obviously related to them. Lastly, such detailed information about this case might be fit for article about Ahmad, but definitely not fit for the September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes article (WP:UNDUE due to above reasons). Can you please self-revert, and if you still believe that this is an improvement and should be in the article, then please reach the consensus as per WP:VNOT. Thanks in advance! A b r v a g l ^(PingMe) 18:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, The abduction/arrest of Ahmad Mammadli has been linked to his criticism not only by the lawyer but also OC media and Amnesty International, which clearly connect his arrest with his recent criticism of military escalation on the border (see reference to Amnesty statement). You are also mistaken about the date of the Facebook post referenced in the article - it is dated 15 Sep 2022 and thus coincides perfectly with the time of the clashes so the links is as obviouse as it gets. Here, you can check the date again. [1]

As to you argument that such detailed information is UNDUE – the article already includes a much more detailed description of the protests in Armenia compared to which only 3 sentences about Ahmad Mammadli are not only appropriate but also relevant to the general context of the crackdown on anti-war activists in Azerbaijan, so I really see no reason to revert them, unless you've got some more valid arguments for that. Thanks! Vanezi (talk) 19:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Ahmad’s post is criticizing Ilham Aliyev, nothing stated about clashes. Reuters says that he was jailed for criticizing President after recent clash. OS media also says same. So he is kinda more anti-Ilham opposition, rather than no war opposition. Timing of his post might be coincidence, may be not, however nothing linking them, but only believe of his lawyer. Considering that officially he was detained not for that reasons, and fact that none if the anti-war opposition was jailed, but Ahmad, also proves that his imprisonment is not obviously related to the anti-war opposition. Saying that, this information is highly undue. A b r v a g l ^(PingMe) 20:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

1.    Ahmad’s statement was released on 15 September 2022 (during the attacks) and reads “Ilham Aliyev will surely answer one day before the international tribunals for crimes committed not only against the Azerbaijani people, but also against the Armenian people. The first task of democratic Azerbaijan will be to punish those who make the nations enemies of each other.” Denying that it’s criticising Aliyev for the hostilities between Armenia & Azerbaijan is denying the obvious.

2.    OC Media and Reuters clearly mention that he 1 criticised Aliyev,  2. did so after the clashes, highlighting both facts as relevant.  OC media reinforces that further by quoting: both the lawyer and the secretary general of the D18 Movement, openly connecting his arrest to his anti-war statements.

3.    Amnesty International goes even fruther and calls on Azeri government to:  “Free Mammadli now and stop harassment of individuals who voice peaceful opinions about the conflict.” directly linking his and others’ anti-war utterances to arrest/harassment. 

4.    Azeri government is neither a neutral, nor reliable source, considering it is 1 an involved party, 2 ranks lowest in freedom of speech or any other liberties. Moreover it hasn't even refuted the reason for the arrest, as OC media states their requests for comments were left unanswered by the The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan...

My edits on above are factual/brief (haven’t even quoted Amnesty or given details of his abduction) so calling them UNDUE is totally baseless.  I would appreciate if you can stop arguing based on personal opinions/interpretations (WP:OR) and stick to what the sources actually say. Vanezi (talk) 08:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I have been away for a while. Apparently I missed twitter post mentioning Free Mammadli now and stop harassment of individuals who voice peaceful opinions about the conflict., that I guess if enough to link it and keep it in the article. Thanks! A b r v a g l ^(PingMe) 21:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament

For some unexplained reason you added the following four links to the article on the Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament. Was this a test edit?

• Azerbaijani laundromat
• Caviar Diplomacy
• Foreign relations of Qatar
• Russian laundromat

I have not reverted your edit, on the off-chance that the links might be relevant. Have you thought of the approach taken on disambiguation pages where there is a bit of text about each link to tell the user what each one might be relevant to? Also it is not obvious why you did piping to change the capitalisation style - especially as you made opposite choices for two of them – this suggests to me that the test edit hypothesis might be correct.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know the "See also" section it normally added at the bottom of an article to suggest related or similar articles. The reason I've added them is that they are all on similar or related topics. Just like Qatargate,

• Caviar Diplomacy is a corruption scandal involving EU parliamentarians being bribed by a dictatorship to whitewash its reputation and push policies and views friendly to the regime. Parallels, in fact, have also been drawn between the 2 by politicians and media (see link in the article of Caviar Diplomacy).
• Azerbaijani and Russian laundromat articles also deal with the same subject of an authoritarian government buying influence and whitewashing its reputations through money laundering and bribing of politicians & others. Similarly caused a scandal and a number of investigations/trials of politicians and other influential figures.
• Foreign relations of Qatar - I thought the relevance was obvious as Qatargate was essentially a shady practice of pushing foreign relations/agenda for the country through corruption.
• The difference in the capital letters was just a human error, sorry about that!

I can see similar links in other articles involving corruption and money laundering scandals, so just following the common practice. Hope this answers your question. --~~~~ Vanezi (talk) 18:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks, that's very nice to hear! Vanezi (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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UN mission

Hi. Could you please revert yourself here: [4]? The RFC question was "Should the above statements by the UN missions be included in the article when discussing reports on violence against civilian population?", so the community consensus was to use these statements in the section that discussed claims of violence against the civilian population. Thank you. Grandmaster 09:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Grandmaster. The RFC was closed with "There is consensus to include the proposed text in the article" and didn't mention a specific section, am I understating this correctly @ScottishFinnishRadish ? So I simply moved it to the most relevant paragraph about that exact report from UN in Azerbaijan. And also the reports of violence section is for before the ceasefire, so the statement after the ceasefire doesn’t really belong there. Vanezi (talk) 17:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

It was about the inclusion in the section discussing violence in the civilian population. Making an edit that clearly matches your response in the RFC which did not gain consensus is disruptive. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish Fair enough. I thought it was ok to move to its own paragraph since the RFC just said consensus for inclusion and the UN in Azerbaijan paragraph has more context such as that it wasn't just "A UN mission" but the UN in Azerbaijan report, and also mentioned that the report was criticized for arriving late when there was virtually no Armenian population left. Would you mind if I at least add context to it before self-reverting back to that section? Vanezi (talk) 17:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

That's the argument you made in the RFC, demonstrating that you understood the RFC was about the inclusion of that specific text in the section about reports on violence.

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There is a segment in the article about this exact report from the United Nations office in Azerbaijan [5], and it’s in a better context along with its criticisms. We don’t add an out of context sentence from after the offensive, and which ultimately came from the attacking side’s (Azerbaijan’s) UN office no less after nearly all the region’s Armenian population fled.

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the UN in Azerbaijan paragraph has more context such as that it wasn't international UN mission but the UN in Azerbaijan report, and also mentioned that the report was criticized for arriving late when there was virtually no Armenian population left.

Again, that position did not have consensus at the RFC. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll just self-revert then. Vanezi (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Sorry for not understanding you better, I am willing to cooperate and reach consensus, I was not aware of the community restriction. I have removed the nation of Armenia as a perpetrator in the list 1 on the article. However, I have no knowledge of the sockpuppet issues you are referring to. I also reverted this for now as I wasn't aware of the sockpuppet edit prior https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&diff=prev&oldid=1208819350 Again I apologize if I came off as disruptive and would like to work together. Thanks. JeanCesarGraziani (talk) 02:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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