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Re: Jyothika Saravanan

Yes, I have been watching this user and his edits, looks like some adamant Jyothika fan. Have you warned him? Well, if he further continues to vandalize, he needs to get blocked! Johannes003 (talk) 10:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

List of India ODI cricketers

oh man!!!!!! I just fixed them(sort dash) as they asked for in featured list criteria, have a look here and now you are doing it again....--Vyom25 (talk) 10:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I haven't touched any of those sort dashes as you could see from my edit. The tool just converted those hyphens into en dashes, which is one of the prime requirements of FLC. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

ok, understood. Now, just have a look at BBM column is it correct dash or not? --Vyom25 (talk) 10:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Nope. All hyphens must be converted to either en dashes or em dashes. See WP:DASHES for more info. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Enthiran songs

THere appear to be articles for the individual songs, I doubt any of them pass our songs notability criteria, can you check? e.g. Pudhiya Manidha. I'm not entirely familiar with sources for songs, but these don't appear to be the iconic ones. Deletion or redirecting perhaps? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:12, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree! Clearly many of these songs don't pass the notability criteria. These kinda articles are created by fans out of interest. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe, compared to other Tamil songs which were playing at that time, the Enthiran album was far more popular and all the songs were supposedly the talk of the town before release. I would think twice before deleting any of those pages. X.One ^SOS 16:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Category

Hey, do you think this category can be expanded or has some potential? X.One ^SOS 09:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It has a lot of potential IMO. Most of the Tamil films were set in Chennai and so are the Telugu films prior to the industry's shift to Hyderabad. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, even a few Hindi films like SRK's Chennai Express were or will be shot here. I managed to add a few Vijay, Ajith and Suriya films into the list. Please add this category whenever and wherever you feel comfortable. X.One ^SOS 07:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

My user page has been vandalized. I see no reason for anyone to do so, except Padmal, who has a grudge against me. The latter IP was different, he had been vandalizing many UP's but the other one, has edited only my page till date. Opinions please. X.One ^SOS 16:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Even I have no idea of who it is. Request page protection if they keep doing the same thing. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Shobana is not confirmed in kochadaiyaan. But Sarathkumar is confirmed as a part of movie by Soundarya Rajinikanth via twitter today evening.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeevanantham Karunanithi (talk • contribs)

According to the news reports she was confirmed to be a part of the cast by Soundarya herself. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking of renaming the category to "Films shot in Chennai" as many of those films did not have Chennai as the main setup. Some were trivially shot there too. All right with you? X.One ^SOS 13:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Tamil actor pics

I found a Soundarya wedding image gallery on Filmitadka, but I can't recognize most of the people in the 100 odd images. I've uploaded a pic for Dhanush, Ajith, Shalini, Maniratnam, Suhasini, Sivakumar, but there are lots more that I can't figure out :) Maybe you want to take a look at that gallery sometime and upload any (many require cropping). —SpacemanSpiff 21:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

It also has a few Telugu actors. I think there will be a little bit of difficulty in cropping the images. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 05:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, and appreciate your contribution for Hyderabad, India hope you will continue to contribute to make it FA. Regards.:)---Omer123hussain (talk) 15:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I have zero input to the article. Thanks anyways, and will try to contribute to the article in future. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Ilayathalapathy Vijay

I know that Ilayathalapathy is not the actor Joseph Vijay's name, although fans call him that way mostly. But why shouldn't I use that name in the article? Doesn't the article Sivaji Ganesan show that the same actor's other name is Nadikar Thilakam? Why the difference? Kailash29792 (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought I gave enough explanation in the edit summary. The same applies for all actors. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

What's the difference between a nickname and a title? Ilayathalapathy is an informal nickname. X.One ^SOS 07:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok I agree with you guys. But there has to be some point in the article where I can use that title. Only then the world will know the truth about him. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm supporting the addition of Ilayathalapathy, because it is a title, whether official or not, it has received significant coverage and almost all the news reports about Vijay carry the name. For an another example, take Kareena Kapoor, she is informally called "Bebo" and the article (GA) has a mention of it in the lead. The same should apply here, unless the two cases are very different. X.One ^SOS 15:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Note—If Ilayathalapathy is added to Vijay's article, we might have to consider "Thala" for Ajith, though it holds much lesser popularity with it. X.One ^SOS 15:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Ya, please do add Ilaya Thalapathy to the article Joseph Vijay. By the way, the article Ajith Kumar already has a slight mention of the term Thala. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a difference between a nickname and title. I'm not against adding the title any where in the article, except in the infobox. There was a discussion regarding this long back (you might find in the tp archives) where it was decided not to include titles such as "Superstar", "Ilaiyathalapathi", "Thala", "Ulaganayagan", etc., in infoboxes. Rajini has many such titles—Superstar, Style Mannan, etc., We cannot add all those if some fan comes and claims this. However, it can be mentioned with proper references in a neutral manner wherever appropriate. After all who is going to be very keen in finding out the equivalent meaning of such titles in their own languages. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Fine. Though your statements are right, I still say that the actor's title should be in the article. But it will surely be formal and sourced, it will fit in the right place as well. Kailash29792 (talk) 18:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad

Could you drop in to this discussion and comment? X.One ^SOS 09:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Filmfare Best Actress

Can I ask you to keep an eye on the Filmfare Best Actress Award page when you're here? I filed a request for protection and am not sure it will be accepted, also started a talk page discussion. Everytime I log in I notice someone has edited it in what I find essentially as sneaky vandalism. Shahid • ^Talk2me 07:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I watchlisted that page long back. Even I'm not clear with the way in which the superlatives are calculated. Why the calculations are done also considering the "Best Supporting Actress Award" when the article is only about "Best Actress Award". Guess this list follows a similar pattern to that of Academy Award for Best Actress. Anyway considering other cats like "Best Villain" seems completely meaningless. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 08:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeh, that's just like with Academy Awards, and someone keeps adding the critics awards as well (a Rani Mukerji fan), while this one's clearly a separate section at the awards and adds no value. I started a discussion on the talk page. Please step in if you can. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:00, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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The Dirty Picture

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You can still pass the article, can't you? smaro! 14:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smarojit (talk • contribs)

I'm not willing to pass the article at this stage. It needs some more work. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD

Needs more comments. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BIG Star Entertainment Awards X.One ^SOS 07:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

RFA

Many thanks for your kind words! Regards, GiantSnowman 16:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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Mail please

I know very well, and its definitely a yes :D, but for more please talk through mail. X.One ^SOS 11:44, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't see any destructive edits till now, though its progressing at a fast rate. If you find one, please e-mail me. Thanks. X.One ^SOS 18:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for List of awards and nominations received by Ilaiyaraaja

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Just wanna know if Sam Anderson and "Power Star" Seenivasan are notable enough for separate Wikipedia article-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 13:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Sam Anderson is quite popular even now I guess. We need ideas from other users to decide the notability of Powerstar —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, my God! There already exists an article for your hero. The difficult part would be to maintain it and remove WP:BLP.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 18:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK

I reviewed your DYK Template:Did you know nominations/List of million-plus agglomerations in India. Looks good to me. But this is the first time i am reviewing any DYK. Hence not sure. You can with good faith let me know if anything is wrong in it. (Although i doubt anything is.) -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 13:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Responded there. See WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide and WP:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines for more info. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Done! Thanks for these pages also. Had been through them. But still was hesitant. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Kindly spare a bit of your time to put up your comments in this RFC. X.One ^SOS 10:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Confusion

Do you have any idea about what the difference between "corporation schools" and "government schools" (not government aided schools) is? According to this source, "Corporation of Chennai is maintaining 286 Corporation Schools, 336 Government and Government aided management schools and 10 A.D. Welfare Schools." This confusion popped up in the FAR of Chennai, and it seems be getting haywire. X.One ^SOS 16:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

To my knowledge, a corporation school is a government school, but vice versa need not be true always. I guess the 286 corporation schools are those which are located with in the area administered by the municipal corporation of Chennai and the others must be outside the city limits. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

If that was the case, they should be different. How can the Corporation run a government school then? X.One ^SOS 17:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the source, all of the 336 Govt. (& aided) schools are located in the core city. There is a statement saying "Further in the year 1990 the Government and Government aided schools and A.D welfare schools are brought under the control of Corporation." which makes clear that earlier they were not controlled by the corporation. I guess those Govt. schools would have been established by the state Govt. (not by the corpn) at various periods of time before being acquired by the corporation. It's not like no Govt. schools must be operated with in the city limits. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:38, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk

? Sorry, but that was not vandalism. X.One ^SOS 07:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Really shocked after seeing that. I'm just logging in now for the first time today. I have the habit of checking my watchlist through my mobile when I get up daily. There might be some problems with my mobile. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 07:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sivandha Mann

Sivandha Mann (Red Soil) is the article of a Sivaji Ganesan starrer, created by me. Since my computer is in repair and I cannot do many stuff outside the computer (like uploading images or editing things easily), can you please upload an image of a CD cover to the infobox in it? Please leave a talkback signal on my page. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Will do when I get time. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Mukesh moved

Your views on move of singer "Mukesh" to Mukesh Mathur required here User_talk:Aurorion#Mukesh_moved --Animeshkulkarni (talk) 09:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

And, I came across Animesh's note in the page. It shows Rajkumar and Rajkumar (disambiguation) as two separate pages. As you know quite a bit about that guy, can you tell me in what way he is considered as a primary topic? Otherwise I shall have to propose a move. Thanks. X.One ^SOS 13:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

A good question! I guess they'd considered Rajkumar as the primary topic based on the Google web searches for the actor. The same for Chiranjeevi, Sridevi and many more. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Rather, it is the opposite. Rajkumar Hirani has 552000 results while Rajkumar Santoshi has 458000 and Rajkumar has only 357000. If I am not wrong, I shall move the page without a formal request. If anyone objects, then it can be done. X.One ^SOS 14:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Mani ratnam edit

Regarding your edit in the page Mani Ratnam, I don't see any reason for you to remove the tamil transliteration of his name. Since he belongs to Tamil Nadu I guess it should be undone. Please discuss it on the talk page before you commit any such changes. I deeply appreciate your intention on developing the page, Thanks -tausif r (talk) 12:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I gave the explanation for removal of scripts in my edit summary. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you please point to the discussion page in which there was a consensus to remove native language scripts has reached? Thanks. Salih (talk) 13:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The consensus has now been archived. You can also find the discussion over here. But this no way implies mass removal. It can be done over a period of six months. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Salih (talk) 06:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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List of India Twenty20 International cricketers

"There is a problem while sorting the "HS" column in this article. A few en-dashes come before "0". I'm unable to figure out the problem. Any help will be much appreciated. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 17:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)"

I think the asterisks/stars (*) beside some of the entries in that column are causing the problem. What is the * for (I can't seem to find a footnote to match it)? Cheers! Facts707 (talk) 19:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I guess it was long back and the problem has now been sorted out. Thanks for the reply :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Glad it worked out. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 06:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Mangalore

There was an image of the Town Hall in the Mangalore article's infobox, and now that a Wikiproject has been created for it, the pic is being used in the banner. The author has cited it as own work and the pic is undoubtedly nice, but still it lacks metadata. I'm not familiar with such type of rules, but I believe you have nominated one file for deletion in the past because of a similar problem. Mangalore being an FA, cannot afford such a situation if it indeed is one. Awaiting your comments. X.One ^SOS 16:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Lack of metadata is not sufficient to prove that one does not hold the ownership. Try making a "Google search" of the image to check if it was published outside the commons before the upload date. Otherwise, WP:AGF and leave it. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm going with the latter. X.One ^SOS 16:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Karnan (1963 film)

this is the article of an evergreen Sivaji Ganesan film, which is also due to be re-released in a digitally restored format. i have greatly cleaned it up, and so pls verify: are the plot section and the re-release section complete and proper? Kailash29792 (talk) 15:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Without any doubt, these are landmark films! A great work with old Tamil films. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

But don't cite IMDb as an inline citation. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

well, my dad's a big fan of the actor and sees his films. hence i also see with my dad and enjoy. if u remember seeing Karnan or not, thats why i asked help if the plot was perfect. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Though I'd seen the film many times, I don't remember the plot fully. It should be fine I guess! —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD

Your opinions are needed here. X.One ^SOS 09:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

TN Seal

Hey, is there any way we can get a higher resolution image of File:Seal of Tamil Nadu.jpg? The current one is blurred. Lynch7 09:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a clear idea. You might consult Sodabottle. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit request

I have responded to your request in the Guild of Copy Editors for a copyedit of the article Chiranjeevi. I also added some Citation Needed and Clarify tags where I think that additional work is needed. Good luck with the GA nomination. Pine^talk 11:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The article still needs some amount of work and I expect you to do the copy-edits whenever necessary during the process. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, if you want me to take a look at the article again, you can leave me a note on my talk page when the article is ready for another round, or you can put another request in the the Guild of Copy Editors and someone will look at it. Pine^talk 14:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar Award

Thank you very much for giving me my first award (Barnstar) on Wikipedia. I'll continue to develop articles. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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dates

Please explain why you changed all the dates to dmy for Kareena Kapoor, and then did the exact opposite, changing them all to mdy for Shriya Saran? BollyJeff || talk 14:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Either formats are accepted. See WP:DATE, but uniformity must be maintained throughout the article. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:18, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but why the difference? They both live in the same country; I thought that had something to do with which style was to be chosen. See WP:STRONGNAT. BollyJeff || talk 14:23, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think a more common format for dates is there for India. This article mentions the "dmy" format to be common, while many of the popular Indian media use the "mdy" format. So I guess there shouldn't be any problem with both of these formats. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:43, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Why don't we refer to official documents, if any? Perhaps the CBFC's releases or something? As far as I know, dmy is the common format for India related uses. X.One ^SOS 14:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

What has CBFC got to do with these BLPs. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I was referring to the accepted standard of official film documents. It would be better to use them in a BLP of an actress. X.One ^SOS 14:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there is any "official standard" for film documents in India. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:05, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

A "Press Information Bureau, Govt. of India" document uses both formats. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, the script that I always use to format citations, Reflinks, uses year first (|accessdate=2012-02-25) which of course does not match either of the formats being discussed, and I don't see a way to change it. BollyJeff || talk 15:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

That format is ambiguous and is not recommended. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

That statement is incorrect. Please observe WP:DATERET in the future. Gimmetoo (talk) 12:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Chennai

Your edit on adding Telugu as a major spoken language has been removed by me. Barely 2% of the people are Telugus and it is not recognized as an official language. Telugu and Hindi are not considered major languages of Chennai. There are more or less equal Hindi speakers as compared to Telugu speakers in Chennai, mainly due to the fact that all other non-Hindi North Indians know and communicate fluently in the language. It's rather illogical, isn't it? But looking at English, around 90% of the people are educated and almost all of them can read and write English. Hence the change. X.One ^SOS 08:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree Hindi isn't a major language. That was an error made out of the copy-paste from Kolkata's infobox. Telugu is definitely one of the major languages in Tamil Nadu. They form the majority after Tamils. However, I never stated that Telugu to be an official language. I just included that under "Spoken languages". A 1971 census report say 12% of Madras's population constitute Telugus. It was definitely a major language of Chennai prior to the formation of Andhra Pradesh. Chennai was supposed to be a part of Andhra Pradesh post Independence and there were plans to make it the state capital. FYI, there were a lot of riots demanding the inclusion of Chennai to Andhra Pradesh. In fact, I'm planning to write a little on the article later. As for your 2% give some official reports to support your statement. Don't just make raw statements to support your pov.—Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 10:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Let this be talking turkey at the moment. The parameter we are referring to is "other spoken languages", which means other majorly spoken languages. It does not mean the other ethnic groups. I disagree with you about Telugu being a major language in Tamil Nadu. If that is the level we are looking into, there are more or less equal number of Malayalis and Kannadigas who reside here. Even sufficient North Indian migration (the great Rajini included) make Hindi a major language, besides the scripture of 90% of the North Indian non-Hindi people speak Hindi fluently here. Even many Tamils know Hindi as it is a major language in all CBSE, ICSE and other national board managed schools. Does it mean, that Hindi, Kannada and Malayalam should be added? Get me the brass tacks of this. A 1971 report is ages back, and as Andhra Pradesh's growth rate in infrastructure, economy and population increased substantially after 1990, the Telugu population percentage has declined in Chennai in particular. Even if you consider that POV, on the grounds of 100% verification not being available, I can assure that a 1971 report is utterly useless here and hogwash data. Your statements about "It was definitely...to Andhra Pradesh" were quite irrelevant to the topic, please take note. My regards. X.One ^SOS 14:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you a native of Tamil Nadu. My friend, the Malayali and Kannadiga population put together is not even half of the total population of Telugus in Tamil Nadu. The 1971 census has got nothing to do with 2012, but do you have any sources to say the Telugu population is much less as of now. First you removed Hindi and Telugu from the infobox and now jumping into a conclusion that Hindi speakers are more when compared to Telugus. Then who do you think form the majority after Tamils? Jews, Parsis? First of all do you have any reports mentioning that there are more number of Malayalis/Kannadigas/others than Telugus. I have atleast something to support my claim (1, 2). Even a normal resident of Tamil Nadu wouldn't say that Telugu is not predominant in Chennai atleast. In some places, you can find sign boards in shops, hotels in Telugu. You can even find Telugu scripts in most of the temples in and around Chennai. FYI, during ancient times Chennai being a part of the Pallava Dynasty had Telugu as one of its official languages. The region was ruled by Telugus. Most of the people belonging to business community of Chennai have Telugu as their mother tongue. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

P:S Didn't really know that Kannada and Malayalam were taught as a part of the curriculum in CBSE and ICSE schools based in Chennai, when no media of those languages have a major circulation in the city like Vaartha, Eenadu, Andhra Jyothi. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Please note that people who speak a certain language may not necessarily proclaim it as their ethnic language. I speak Tamil, Hindi, Sanskrit and English. Does that make me a native speaker of all the four? I said that Hindi speakers are more because Hindi is the national language and almost all the Bengalis, Gujaratis, Punjabis, Marathi and Oriya people in Chennai, who form at least 5% of the people in Chennai combined, add to the Hindi native speakers. That would obviously bring Hindi speakers on par with Telugu speakers or even more. If Telugus are mentioned, Hindi speakers need a mention. As I said, the glorious history of Chennai is irrelevant here. There has been a significant movement of South Indians within the region in the last thousand years. Even if 10% of the people speak the language, does that confer a merit of being mentioned in the infobox? 90% of Chennai population speak Tamil and 90% speak English. They alone can be mentioned. The others are already mentioned in the "Demographics" section. And, FYI, I have been living in Chennai for the past five years and the Telugu and Kannada restaurants are a part of insignificancy as compared to the Tamil and English signboards. North Indian (Hindi) chat shops are common everywhere and they all have Hindi signboards. But still, they also form a small fraction of the shops in Chennai. X.One ^SOS 16:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I am very much aware of your first statement. You are the one who removed "Hindi and Telugu" and even explained that in your edit summary as "Nonsense" and now making a statement that Hindi is a major language. 5% of the other linguistic groups is not even a significant minority and doesn't make that a major language. English is common everywhere and I never said English is not a major language. There were anti-Hindi agitations in Tamil Nadu all over with leaders protesting not to speak/teach Hindi and you say Hindi is a major language in Chennai. I take this as your personal vengeance or hatred against the language. Tell me one source which say Hindi or whatever to be the major language after Tamil or the one which say Telugu is uncommon in the state or Chennai. The name of the city itself is believed to be derived from that of a Telugu chieftain. Coming to infobox, I added Telugu as only "Other languages" and I see no harm in doing that. "If Telugus are mentioned, Hindi speakers need a mention", unsupported and biased statements like thes are clear indications of POV pushing and it's not expected from an established user. Stop speaking statistics that are not supported by some unreliable sources atleast. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Please assume good faith before jumping to conclusions that I have a mindset of hating Hindi. I do not have sources to describe the statistics about Telugu and Hindi statistics in Chennai. Neither do you. It is simply on the grounds of relevant side knowledge that we are talking about all this. All CBSE and ICSE schools in Chennai teach Hindi. They don't teach Telugu. All chat shops which are present in almost all localities of the city have Hindi signboards. And I did not support the inclusion of Hindi in the infobox, if that's what you thought. I said that Hindi and Telugu speakers are nearly equal in number and other statistics of Kannada and Malayalam speakers will also have to add to the huge waste-of-time list. My question is : Why fill the infobox with so much data that makes the reader's mind go haywire and at the same time, neglect equally relevant data? That is the reason I said we stick to official languages. The other parameter is totally not needed and the article is undergoing an FA review. Making it more and more complicated ain't gonna help. X.One ^SOS 16:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Assuming that you made extensive googling and couldn't find any sources, you seem to weaken your argument. I presented two newspaper sources to back my claim. Actually it's you who never responded whenever I asked you to present a source. No CBSE/ICSE school in India would teach Telugu or whatever language for that matter. That's not the way to determine the number of speakers. I told umpteen times that Kannada and Malayalam speakers are much less compared to Telugu speakers. Why do you worry about the infobox, adding this attribute won't clutter it by any means. Chennai has a few Telugu-medium schools. Tell me how many schools are there in Chennai with Hindi as the primary language. I don't agree with your perception that Hindi and Telugu speakers are almost the same in Chennai. Give me one official source for this statement. Unless you do so, stop pinging me by adding the same set of comments and don't waste my time. Sorry if am a bit rude, but no other go. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I have no sources showing statistical data, but for expressing the Hindi influence in Chennai, please take a look at 1 and 2. X.One ^SOS 17:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

If you don't have sources to support, there is no point in arguing. Neither of your sources mention that the Hindi-speaking population is more than Telugus. I can show you hundreds of sources to support my point. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, 1971 sources are of no use here and you cannot determine that Telugu population holds a high percentage from such an outdated report. If we have 2000s data, then fine. Otherwise, lets just remove the field. X.One ^SOS 12:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

There is no online data available for cities. Census libraries must be having them. There is a report from the CMDA stating there is a "sizeable population speaking Telugu in the city". What else is needed? Do you say that CMDA is wrong? or perhaps they missed out Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, etc., Let's put a full stop to this as I don't want this discussion to grow further. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:18, 28 February 2012 (UTC)