User talk:Zigzig20s/Archive 14

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Thank you for taking the initiative to create the new article, The Way to the Top: The Best Business Advice I Ever Received ! I've taken the liberty to expand the article with some more cited sources. Did you know it was a Best Selling Book on The Wall Street Journal list for several weeks? Sagecandor (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Fire fighter monuments and memorials

1891 monument in Hoboken

Hey, I feel a tad shell-shocked about the DYK process for the Mexican-American War memorials list-article, but with or without a DYK attempt, there is surely a need for a List of fire fighter monuments and memorials (or "List of firefighting monuments and memorials"?) , and I don't think there is one yet. I have been coming across a few while searching to build List of fire stations, e.g. Vigilant Fire Company Firemen's Monument, Washington Township, PA, NRHP-listed, and Firemen's Monument (Hoboken, New Jersey). There is a big one at the California capitol complex, I recall from an AFD i think, hmm, that was California Firefighters Memorial, ah, and here is corresponding Category:Firefighting memorials with 26 members, not including the Vigilant one yet, which I will fix. I bet we could find hundreds; I think these have to be about as common American Civil War memorials, just not controversial yet (why isn't there more commemoration of non-Irish-descent, non-male firefighters, etc? :) though there is coverage in Wikipedia of some African-American firefighting group in California). It would be interesting to see if their creation dates generally lined up with creation dates for Confederate memorials, perhaps as part of a general monument-building trend associated with economic prosperity or lack thereof, instead. (I do think racism, overt or subtle, was involvedin the Confederate memorials, but I also think some of the hype is missplaced, of course 50 years later lots of memorials would be getting built, like has happened after other wars.) Would you be game to start such a list? And perhaps nominate for DYK? --Doncram (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Doncram: Re: monuments. I agree with Condoleezza Rice and Learotha Williams.

Re: Firefighters. Potentially, but could this wait a bit please? I am still on break and I would like to expand Workplace bullying in academia, ideally with more content from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Workplace bullying in academia.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:10, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I probably would agree with Rice and Williams too. Sure, happy to wait on firefighters memorials. Workplace bullying is v. important topic, I think also. --Doncram (talk) 02:23, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Note fire victims memorials exist and should be included, I think, rather than excluded. Peshtigo Fire Cemetery covers only victims, a fraction of the 2,500 or so killed in 1871 fire, the worst in U.S. history. St. Maries 1910 Fire Memorial covers firefighters and victims of 1910 and 1912 fires. There was a 50th anniversary observance in 1960 there. Really I don't want to argue about other stuff, but 50 years later is a big deal and is natural for commemorations to happen then. Maybe category should be Category:Firefighter and fire victims memorials? I am not sure how to handle memorials for non-firefighter victims, and firefighter victims, and firefighters who where not themselves victims. --Doncram (talk) 17:34, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Doncram: I think it should just be a list of monuments depicting firefighters. Primarily public sculptures.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Do you mean because the scope would be too great, if it included every gravestone of every firefighter? Hmm, yes, the scope needs to be limited. I think in cemeteries nowadays that there are standard images one can include to be laser-cut or however into gravestones, including maybe a firefighter hat image, and there would be too many of those. But I would want to include the St. Maries 1910 Fire Memorial, because it is historical and about a big event and there are numerous graves there; the main monument is a simple stone with a simple plaque I think without any figurative sculpture. Could we define a scope limit somehow to include "significant" ones like that one? Could go with membership defined as having a wikipedia article, which would exclude all the single graves. --Doncram (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The California Firefighters Memorial is a big wall with all the names of hundreds of firefighetrs, an image here. There are a few more items in Category:Firefighting memorials that wouldn't qualify, e.g. another 1910 or so pair of cobblestone memorials, if it must have figurative art.

But if your interest would be about the art, and wanted it to be a list-article with art history bent, and with review of the quality of art, etc., I guess that would just be different. Then scope should maybe be expanded to include paintings in museums and other depictions of firefighters. Editor User:Carptrash is one who is v. experienced with lists of sculptures and other art who could perhaps help. --Doncram (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Filho

Filho is not a surname, but a suffix (jr). Matthew hk (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Moved from user talk:matthew hk

Hi User:Matthew hk: you left a note on my talkpage suggesting this is a suffix, not a surname. However, in Renan Filho for example, how is it not a surname? Renan appears to be the given name and Filho the surname, doesn't it?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:43, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Portuguese often shorten the name by omitting everything in the middle. Also it is very common that Brazilian name just had given name + suffix, such as Juninho Pernambucano, his real name is Antônio Augusto Ribeiro Reis Júnior, Reis is the surname, jr is the suffix, Juninho is the nickname derived from Jr. Pernambucano is the suffix for POB. People used to call someone Bush Jr., does not means Jr is surname. The article Portuguese name used to explain what Neto and Filho , not sure why it was rewritten to the current state. Also see this article

"Another difficulty in Portuguese is with the forms that follow the surname and are equivalent to “Junior” (Filho) and “III” (Neto). They should be kept as part of the surname, not treated as the final, paternal name itself."

Matthew hk (talk) 20:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

John Hartfield (lynching victim)

This may be the most horrific I've seen out of a category of horrific articles. I have certainly not done it justice, but at least it now exists. Cheers! Jacona (talk) 14:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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In the News - Jerry Frankel

Hi. Unfortunately, I had to close your nomination to the recent deaths section (as a non-admin closure) because it was considered "stale", meaning that the death occurred before the earliest death currently listed "in the news". Apologetically, --DannyS712 (talk) 10:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Jerry Frankel (producer)

Hope I didn’t step on any of your edits while I was expanding & tweaking your newly created article. Frankel is such an accomplished and interesting character, I couldn’t help but add a bit more info. I wouldn’t doubt if there is more that can be added to the Thoroughbred section (hope you’re ok with my reordering-renaming the section) or that more articles can be spun off from that one. Great find, Zig! ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 17:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Are you biting any of the hooks?

Check in at Talk:Jerry Frankel - and if you see anything you like, let's run it thru DYK...^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 04:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

It's the first one I've received in 5 years and for an article I created 10 years ago... dm (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Felix Rappaport

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Ages at which famous people have committed suicide

I did a graph for the "A"s but it turns out that i can't cut & paste it. Out of 46 entries no age gets more than 3 (65) . if I get ambitious, which I will NOT tonight as I am off to a jam shortly, I'll do more. So, a definite maybe. Carptrash (talk) 00:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

A - D

is in my sandbox. Let me know if you find it. Carptrash (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jerry Frankel

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Thanks

I figured it out. --Ken Gallager (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Ray Van Cleef

Thanks for the page on Ray Van Cleef! A previous [1] on him was deleted due to notability concerns. Hope these links help you in your work. I'll see what I can do, but it may be some time before I can devote much energy to expanding it. Billcasey905 (talk) 05:47, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

User:Billcasey905: Thanks for the note. I didn't realize this had been deleted before. I came across his name in a journal article about weightlifting. I will try to expand it.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Marriage mill

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Article Zucchetti (surname) you created needs citation

Hello, Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia I believe Zucchetti (surname) is not that notable to have an article.MrZINE (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Iamzine13: I believe there is consensus to create these pages. I even received a barnstar for them yesterday! I will raise your concern at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy and ping you there.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

See WP:APOSTUB.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Resolved

Nashville Remembers

Thanks for sending the article about the planned June events in Nashville and erection of memorials to the victims of lynchings. We'll need to work it into the articles.Parkwells (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

John Wesley Work Jr.

Why Monaco? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Ghmyrtle: Sorry, minor error from copy and paste of the infobox. Thanks for fixing it!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem - I guessed that was the case! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Stuart S. Janney III for deletion

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reference Wm Ducker Hs

Hi, thanks for creating William Ducker House, about an NRHP in Nebraska. But hey, could you please consider improving the reference? You so far accepted the assumed/default title "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: William Ducker House", which was guessed by Elkman's NRHP infobox generator. But that doesn't seem to be the title of the document. It looks like a selected passage or set of pages out of a Willa Cather(sp?) thematic resources document. Could you possibly please try to get a proper title, and perhaps the author and date of the full doc?

I am thinking I oughta write an essay about what I think about NRHP articles, when they are "good enough" vs. not, partly to clarify my views vs. many past critics of myself. I am very positive about any positive contributions. But where to draw the line about what is positive, for me, is somewhere in whether the contribution is fully accurate as far as it goes. IMHO it doesn't have to go far, and definitely not as far as some others would want. I dunno about a reference like this, it is arguably "wrong", or perhaps not. Not as far as asserting some doc is an NRHP nom when it is a state/local doc, which i think bothered u sometime previously when i objected, but still. I do very much appreciate your steady and numerous contributions in general. Some others I think still dislike all of my own contributions. :( --Doncram (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

About your email

Hello, Zig! I got your email but I am unable to help you. I am completely unfamiliar with that subject or the editors involved, and I do not have time right now to look into it. You and they should work it out on the talk page. Sorry. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Email?

I can't figure out where Wikipedia is putting email, so could not read most of your last message. It would be easier if you would use my Talk page - happy spring!Parkwells (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Mihir

I've only just noticed your request and have unprotected Mihir. It's best to ask me directly if you encounter any more like that since Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy doesn't have many admins looking at it. —Xezbeth (talk) 13:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Peter Uvin for deletion

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DYK nomination of Barr Terrace, Mueller Tower

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DYK nomination of J. Schmuck Block

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Re. worldcat link

Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I'm re-adding the source that you removed. The source is actually a book source (if you look at the template properly, you'll see it's a cite book template). The WorldCat link was automatically generated from the Wikipedia:ProveIt tool I was using. I've removed the link. Bejinhan talks 18:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Gainesville, Florida

You asked to be pinged (quite a long time ago) when the history section was updated. I made an attempt though more recent history needs filling in. I will continue to work on it but would welcome help. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 03:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Break

You've been contributing so much on difficult subjects that a break will probably be good, but we'll miss you. It has been good to work with you. I've been getting back to WP after a long trip and am deciding which topics to tackle. Parkwells (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Earl Heikka

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How is this?

User:Carptrash/sandbox
Carptrash (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Carptrash: Yes, that's what I meant. Perhaps you could add a column for "motivation/reason" if they gave one, and a cautionary note at the top by citing literature against these types of actions? And you could add Heikka, too. Not sure how long it will take you to do the whole list.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

About a year to do the whole thing. I think that pretty much all of them were motivated by depression - either clinical or events induced, but that sort of detail can go in the notes section. I am not sure what you mean by a "cautionary note", you mean a "Don't try this at home" sort of thing? Or "seek professional help before proceeding" that sort of thing? Carptrash (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but since this is an encyclopedia, is there academic literature explaining why it is bad?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:52, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Carptrash: We'd better not cite Seneca, however.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

ne co

U probably didn't know it was a race, but i was trying to bring Colorado over 50% articled before you did that for Nebraska. You won! Oh well. :( Nice work.

By the way, i try to guess at categories which may be relevant for my new articles, and sometimes those turn out to be bluelinks already and sometimes not, and sometimes lead to others refining them, or sometimes lead productively to creation of new categories. E.g. Category:Blacksmith shops recently, now with >100 members after i came across the need for it, with some recent new NRHP article. But i also have been hammered recently, IMHO unfairly, about redlink categories. Do you have any experience with that? cheers, --Doncram (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

User:Doncram: Thanks. What did I win--another barnstar? Re: categories. I don't spend much time on them.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Phi Delta Theta House - Lincoln, NE

I see that you recently created this article. I am an alumnus of this fraternity chapter and I could get access to articles that were published in the Fraternity's national magazine. These might be helpful for developing the article about this landmark. Let me know if you are interested. User:keithw84

DYK for Telfair Hodgson

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Best wishes for a happy 2019

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2019

Time, which day and year doth make

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

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Maria Howard Weeden

Thanks for letting me know about this article and including me on the DYK nomination. So many interesting stories. Parkwells (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Parkwells: No problem. I wonder if we could upload some of her portraits on Wikimedia Commons?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

They seem to be in copyrighted books, so you would have to get permission. Does any museum hold her work? They might be willing to have something in a commons. It might be possible to see if the Library of Congress has any images, but I don't have time to look right now and I haven't been that successful with other searches there.Parkwells (talk) 14:30, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I hadn't seen the reference before to the NYPL holdings. I would think they probably participate in the Wikipedia sharing with libraries.Parkwells (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Parkwells: You're welcome to contact them--I won't. I've just done a QPQ--do you need to do one as well?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

QPQ? I don't know what that is.Parkwells (talk) 18:36, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Parkwells: For the DYK review. You may need to review another DYK, but I am not sure.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that. Parkwells (talk) 23:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gustave A. Mueller

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DYK nomination of J. Schmuck Block

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Userbox

You might want to put this WP:Userbox on your page. { {Wikipedia:WikiProject California/Userbox/la} }. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Stuart S. Janney III

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User:CptViraj: While I believe he is notable, I have no objection to its deletion.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:02, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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Workplace bullying in academia

I would like to expand Workplace bullying in academia, ideally with more content from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Workplace bullying in academia.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:10, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

We could add a subsection about homophobic/lesbophobic/biphobic/transphobic workplace bullying in academia. For example, if homophobic professors harass/bully another professor because they are LGBTQ. I have only found these RS so far:

• McNaron, Toni (1997). Poisoned Ivy: Lesbian and Gay Academics Confronting Homophobia. Philadelphia: Temple University Press. ISBN 9781566394888. OCLC 1020196424.
• Misawa, Mitsunori (Winter 2010). "Racist and Homophobic Bullying in Adulthood: Narratives from Gay Men of Color in Higher Education" (PDF). New Horizons in Adult Education and Human Resource Development. 24 (1).

This is related to the It Gets Better Project but somewhat different. The It Gets Better project focuses on students, not professors. The lines may be blurred in the case of graduate student instructors, e.g. if homophobic professors harass and terrorize an LGBTQ GSI.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Ugh.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Category:Former slaves

Hey Zigzig, I'm sure some will call me out for PC gone off the rails, but I don't really like that term, "slave". "Enslaved people" seems like a more justifiable term. I wonder if you have any thoughts. Drmies (talk) 14:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

User:Drmies: Is this a new trend in the literature, or are you single-handedly trying to change the world discursively?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes ma'am. I'm trying. Did you see that meme, along the lines of "they didn't catch slaves in Africa, they caught philosophers and engineers and carpenters and poets"? Drmies (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

User:Drmies: Honestly, we don't know. There has been too much censorship of local history on both sides of the Atlantic. For example, we don't know if Sampson W. Keeble was owned by John Bell Keeble's relatives... A few months ago I even found out the ancestors of a modern-day billionaire dynasty owned slaves, but I am not sure we can add it on Wikipedia--I don't want to get framed for doing historical research!Zigzig20s (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

thanks and honesty

Hey, thank you for including me in the Barr and Mueller DYKs. And thanks for noticing numerous articles which I have created, by your "thanks" notices. It is nice to know that someone has read them, and that you appreciate some effort put in by me. Also, whether you intend it or not, it does tend to make me self-conscious in a good way, about whether the work I've done is satisfactory or not. Sometimes/often I am trying to get out articles to bring a county's NRHP overall coverage up, and honestly sometimes I can skimp a bit, and your noticing my article creation sometimes causes me to go back and look, and I end up developing a bit more. Other times I develop more upfront, and it is still nice to see that you noticed. :) By the way, I do also notice many of your new articles because they link to some NRHP template or whatever that I created long ago, but it is catch and miss in my watchlist so I don't see all that you do. I do hope you don't mind my suggestions sometimes; I am (and should have to be) open to suggestions you might ever make about articles that i have created. By the way I do also notice new articles created by scattered other new NRHP editors and I do try to sometimes thank them and/or give some tips or feedback. I think, being humans, we all like a little bit of being noticed! Thank you for what you do. cheers, --Doncram (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

It is part of the Kindness Campaign.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey, nice job with that article, and congrats on the DYK. I am particularly interested in its assertion that the building is High Victorian Gothic in style, which was included in your development of the article. I never heard of that, and it seems like a useful term. I encounter vague usage of "Victorian architecture" or "Late Victorian architecture" (which just redirects to Victorian) often, and sometimes i bet this more specific style would sometimes be applicable. I learn something new every few months or so, now. :) Thanks, keep up your good work! cheers, --Doncram (talk) 23:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Five years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:13, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

User:7&6=thirteen: Thanks. What happens if I die? How will anyone on Wikipedia ever know?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I had to pass it on

because I was not prepared to go through life thinking, "What could I have done?" Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Carptrash: Well, it wasn't you who destroyed every single aspect of my life ten years ago. And it wasn't you either who conspired to frame and harass me three years ago. But now I feel I can't have a private conversation with anyone, not even strangers online...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

nebraska NRHPs, and other

Hey, i notice that, after your relatively recent efforts, now with a little further push, all counties could be brought over 50 percent articled. I recently brought California over that line, should be apparent in next update of map at wp:NRHPPROGRESS; now about 27 states are there.  :) --Doncram (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Because of political repression and imputed political opinion, I doubt I will stay alive long enough to work on this.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Yikes. Well i did bring Nebraska over that, except for one county that has mostly address restricted sites for which I don't have material to start articles. Seems like a good/feasible type of push which can be done for other states, too. In Colorado, I just started Cherokee Ranch which is an unusual listing, and has an odd photo, and I would be happy to go for a DYK with it if you were interested in helping at all. --Doncram (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe if you find redlinked local architects, that is a good place to start. I can create/expand their bios, and then create/expand articles about the buildings they designed.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sort of working on bringing Idaho over the 50 percent-in-each-county line now. Down to 12 counties between 40 and 49 percent. It would be great if you could develop James H. Nave, a new article for a Lewiston Idaho architect, for whom i didn't immediately find much bio information. I didn't try all the associated NRHP documents though. His list of works has two NRHP redlinks remaining, too. --Doncram (talk) 23:10, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Are you able find his year of death please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Nothing about that in NRHP docs for his works that have articles, but from a geneology database I find he is: James Homer Nave, buried in Normal Hill Cemetery, Lewiston, Idaho. Born 15 Aug 1864. Died 05 Oct 1949. There is indication that there exists a Find-a-grave listing for his gravesite, with a photo. Hope this is enough for you to find your way to an obituary? If you don't have access, I would ask Cunard or Cullen328 for help (they are active editors at AFD who seem to always be finding lots of sources). --Doncram (talk) 05:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Nisbet & Paradice is another Idaho architects article which hasn't gotten any attention besides from me. --Doncram (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I've added more to Nave's article. I think Nisbet & Paradice should be split into two articles. Some of the information may be redundant, but I prefer studying architects individually because they often design separate buildings on their own or with other architects.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

It's often hard for me to decide which way to go, about having combo articles about two or more architects who worked together, and/or separate articles. Thank you for developing the article. Currently it is not too long for it to be split for length reasons alone, clearly, but having the two covered in just this one combo article does seem to start to emphasize their partnership which was for only 5 years, perhaps overly much. What do you think would be best, 2 or 3 articles? If 2, to which would "Nisbet & Paradice" be redirected? --Doncram (talk) 14:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

I think creating separate articles for each architect makes more sense, especially if they are known to have designed other buildings on their own. I am not sure about a redirect. Maybe Nisbet as his name comes first.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:55, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Another Idaho architect that has turned up is Boise architect William Stewart Campbell or W. S. Campbell, architect of NRHP-listed Turner Hotel in Mountain Home, Idaho. Some info about some of his works in Turner Hotel's NRHP doc. From quick internet searching, it seems his firm grew to become the modern-day CSHQA firm, about which there is a Wikipedia article which could use some help, while offhand here I agree with your preference and think the architect article should be separate. Other NRHP works of Campbell appear to be:

• One or more works in Boise Historic District, 5th and 6th Sts., both sides of Idaho and Main Sts. Boise, ID Campbell & Wayland
• Maybe David C. Chase House, 307 9th St., N. Payette, ID Campbell & Hodgson
• Cole School and Gymnasium, 7145 Fairview Ave. Boise, ID Campbell & Wayland
• Idanha Hotel, 10th and Main Sts. Boise, ID Campbell,Walter S.
• Grant Whitney House, 1015 7th Ave., N. Payette, ID Campbell,Walter

--Doncram (talk) 02:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Do you know his year of death please?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:41, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

John Enboe House, 1419 Warm Springs Ave, Boise, is another work by Campbell & Wayland. It has a turret, which seems to be common in Campbell's works.

It seems more likely to me now that W.S. Campbell's first name is Walter rather than William. Idaho architecture project page about Idanha-Hotel is one of the sources for that view. I am really striking out, have tried to find him in geneological database and otherwise, not finding any bio like info about him. :( --Doncram (talk) 02:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

There are matches for "W.S. Campbell" in Idaho on Newspapers.com but no obituary as far as I can tell. I've had the same problem with architects from LA. Perhaps he died in another state, or he had become a forgotten man by the time of his death--completely forgotten, nobody remembered him. Or, that can happen too if he died by suicide.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:40, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Doncram: Anything new regarding architects? I could do with the distraction. Life here is unbearable. I don't feel safe!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I DON'T FEEL SAFE

I DON'T FEEL SAFE, I DON'T FEEL SAFE, I DON'T FEEL SAFE!!!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Safer now

User:Carptrash: I managed to get out of the extremely dangerous, "totally not hot" houseshare I was trapped in.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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Zigzig20s, it has been over a week, and you haven't finished submitting the nomination. Also, I have taken a look at the article, and while the expansion is more than sufficient, there are no source citations at all except those in the intro section. DYK rules are quite clear that each paragraph needs at least one source citation, and there are a lot of paragraphs. The author is referred to be his given name rather than his surname throughout (see MOS:SURNAME), which is another issue. If you wish to pursue this nomination, a significant amount of work will be needed on the article. If you don't, please let me know. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

I think I'll pass.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Alma Jean Billingslea

I met her at a thing I did at Spelman, and took that picture. It was a good experience and I learned a lot. LadyofShalott, remember? God that was a long time ago... Drmies (talk) 01:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

"Daughter of the Heartland" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Your draft article, Draft:Domenico Vacca

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Troy Resources Mine info

Hello, I'm working on articles related to Guyana (mostly economic stuff) and I wanted to make an article for one of their major gold mines which is owned by Troy Resources. It looks like you created it 5 years ago, but since you're active presently, I thought it wouldn't hurt to get your opinion!

I'm working on a draft about their mine in Guyana[[2]], but it's actually a good deal more common that the project is referred to as Troy's. Another mine in Guyana also redirects all info to the current mining company: Aurora gold mine.

On the other hand, if I add the info to the Troy article, I feel like it would be undue weight, since they have projects in other countries that might be of more relative importance to the company's history.

Any opinions? Cheers, Estheim (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Walter Elmer Schofield, Across the River (1904), Carnegie Museum of Art.		Best wishes for a safe, healthy and prosperous 2021.
		Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC) Oneupsmanship: This painting turned the friendly rivalry between Edward Redfield and Elmer Schofield into a feud. Schofield was a frequent houseguest at Redfield's farm, upstream from New Hope, Pennsylvania, and the two would go out painting together, competing to capture the better view. Redfield served on the jury for the 1904 Annual Exhibition of the Carnegie Institute; at which, despite Redfield's opposition, Across the River was awarded the Gold Medal and $1,500 prize. It was not until a 1963 interview that the 93-year-old Redfield revealed the painting as the cause of the 40-year feud between them. Schofield may have painted it in England, but a blindsided Redfield knew that it was a view of the Delaware River, from his own front yard!

Central Business District

Your attention is called to the addition of this display to the article on the Central Business District, Los Angeles (1880s-1890s). Do you have any feelings, for or against? Discussion should take place on that article's Talk page. Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Casa Amazinga

I created Casa Encantada, then found your incredible article on its architect! Wonderful work. No Swan So Fine (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)