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This is an empty category. Liz Read! Talk! 06:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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August 1

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:Religious buildings and structures in Yarmouth, Maine

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. User:Namiba 17:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Although the title of the former government department was the Department of Health and Social Security, the responsible secretary of state was the 'Secretary of State for Social Services'.[1][2]

Category:Scholars by subfield

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Nominator's rationale: The decision several years back to rename this Category using the term "subfield" is rather perplexing. Given the contents of the Category (which are fields, not sub-fields), as well as its original name ("Scholars by specialty or field of research" - it was actually a very poor choice of words, when the obvious choice was simply "field". Not to mention that its high-level parent is Category:Categories by field, not the non-existent Category:Categories by subfield. Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Discotek Media

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Nominator's rationale: Non-WP:DEFINING. US company distributing Japanese content for American market, no hand in the production for these entries. --woodensuperman 10:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emory and Henry College

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Nominator's rationale: Became a university on 8/1/2024 https://wcyb.com/news/local/emory-henry-on-track-to-transition-from-college-to-university-in-august https://www.emoryhenry.edu/live/news/3145-emory-henry-trustees-vote-to-approve wizzito | say hello! 10:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: This category is meant for pages that need Template:Dictionary of National Biography and might only be used by an inactive project. It seems all entries are manually placed which isn't helpful, but I also don't think this category itself is helpful. If the template is needed, just add it to the page. If the DNB link is on Wikidata is can get it automatically. There is no need for this additional tagging. Gonnym (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This was a maintenance category for articles, and all the pages that remain in it are Talk: pages. It has therefore served its purpose, I would say. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Italian legislators

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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:20th-century Italian politicians. Gonnym (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Italian legislators

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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:19th-century Italian politicians. Gonnym (talk) 05:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Decades in the Colony of Virginia

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Nominator's rationale: Continuing from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 24#Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia where the result was to populate the tree. To allow {{YYY0s in one of the Thirteen Colonies}} and related templates to work correctly and to match the parent Category:Decades in the Colony of Virginia and related categories (such as Category:Decades in the Massachusetts Bay Colony), the decade list should be renamed. I'll be doing the Colony of Virginia in batches. Gonnym (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Highways in China

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Nominator's rationale: The scope of the category covers national highways of (belonging to) China, rather than those physically located in China, as evidenced by the member article China National Highway 228 (Taiwan), which is outside the area of China's de facto jurisdiction. Neutral on whether to also decapitalise, i.e. Category:National highways of China. Paul_012 (talk) 04:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in South Korea

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Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of South Korea. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in Japan

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Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of Japan. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National highways in India

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Nominator's rationale: Agreement with main article National highways of India. Would be C2D but a previous CfR failed due to disagreement on other sister categories, so nominating for full discussion. Paul_012 (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th-century French politicians subcats

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Nominator's rationale: Pointless category which duplicates Category:18th-century French politicians. Gonnym (talk) 03:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regions of the Dominican Republic

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Nominator's rationale: Contains only the eponymous article Geographic regions of the Dominican Republic (none of the regions it lists have articles). jlwoodwa (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Villains in mythology and legend

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Nominator's rationale: As far as I know, "villain" is usually used in a literary context. We typically use "evil" to describe malevolent gods and there is already such a category called Category:Evil deities, making this redundant and pointless. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This category is not restricted to gods or goddesses. This is supposed to be a counterpart to Category:Heroes in mythology and legend, and just as there are plenty of folklore heroes, there are folklore villains too. AHI-3000 (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Irish blind musicians

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Nominator's rationale: Only nationality category in Category:Blind musicians. Seems like an unnecessary intersection between nationality, musicians, and disability. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will note that item 2 in the proposal is to merge the harpists category into the musicians category, but item 1 is to merge the musicians category elsewhere.
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However, I do Support merging Category:Irish blind harpists as proposed; I see no compelling reason to subdivide by instrument. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Selonia-geo-stub

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Nominator's rationale: Malformed and unused. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]



July 31

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Category:2024 superhero films

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Nominator's rationale: There are no similar categories for other years and superhero films are covered by a variety of other categories that make ones like this unnecessary. -- ZooBlazer 22:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nominator has not demonstrated that we shouldn't have this category. Most other genres are subdivided to the year level, and the decade-level categories are large enough to support this. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is no reason that we should not have superhero-films by year categories. Dimadick (talk) 06:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women association football journalists

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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; three way intersection between gender, a sport, and a profession. There's no other sport specific women journalist category except this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of cabinet templates

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Nominator's rationale: The first category is currently mis-named as a list. Its contents are national templates. Both only contain navigational boxes, so might as well be renamed accordingly. – Fayenatic London 16:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States

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Convert Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States to article List of place names of Choctaw origin, or List of Choctaw-language place names
Nominator's rationale: A list would be more instructive, showing the meaning and providing citations. Compare List of Chinook Jargon place names. If not, then rename to Category:Choctaw place names, compare Category:Chinook Jargon place names. – Fayenatic London 16:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and listify per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I suggested two options of renaming or listifying, but of course we could indeed do both. – Fayenatic London 08:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Boston Review people

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Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Each category has less than five articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ordre de la Santé publique

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Nominator's rationale: Belated follow up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 30#Categories of recipients of orders of merit and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Category:Recipients of the Order pro Merito Melitensi. As in the link discussions, the award is not defining (WP:NONDEF). Qwerfjkltalk 15:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Grand Palais

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Nominator's rationale: Category has only two pages and, unless someone can demonstrate that more entries belong, probably should be deleted pbp 13:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates

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Option A
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Nominator's rationale: I came across this because it is a category whose name starts with "List of", as that is generally not an applicable name for categories. Each of the templates here is a list, but we usually describe templates listing things as WP:Navigation templates. However, Category:Wikipedia navigation templates is split at the top level into navigational boxes and sidebar templates. It would be appropriate either to do that split here, or simply to rename the category as Category:Association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates. – Fayenatic London 13:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Labyrinths

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Nominator's rationale: This is a combination of articles related to the Labyrinth from Greek mythology and a collection of other unrelated things that use the word labyrinth or look like a labyrinth. There is no meaningful distinction between a maze and a labyrinth to need to categorise those mazes separately, and there doesn't appear to be enough articles related to the original Labyrinth that it needs its own category. The Greek mythology articles are already connected through other Greek mythology categories. Anything inspired by the Labyrinth can go in a category such as Category:Classical mythology in popular culture. MClay1 (talk) 12:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hamadryad

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There aren't many dryads with articles to make it worthwhile to subcategorise them into what specific type of dryad they are. This category doesn't intersect with any others so it doesn't aid navigation to have it as an additional layer. (If kept, it should be renamed Category:Hamadryads.) MClay1 (talk) 09:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving the Charanas

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Nominator's rationale: The category is based on caste of India, they have added article even if one person named Charan is in battle, such category can't be allowed, the main Caterogy Category:Battles involving India does not have any such caste specific battles Jethwarp (talk) 09:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean independence activists

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Nominator's rationale: rename, in the current name it is unclear whether "Korean" refers to independence or to activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom 104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Broken Sword games

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Nominator's rationale: Same logic with Monkey Island. The parent category currently contains only 2 articles. And if we merge, we'll get a total of just 9 articles. It makes navigation easier, but we also have to move all of this category's subcategories manually, because the bot doesn't do that. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People executed by British North America by hanging

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Nominator's rationale: There was no central government of British North America; it was a collection of British colonies. The use of "by" suggests that the individual was hanged by the government of British North America. Changing it to "in" leaves it open which colonial government in BNA was responsible for the hanging. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
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July 30

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Misused header templates for establishments and disestablishments categories

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Nominator's rationale: Tracking categories for {{EstcatCountry}} and {{DisestcatCountry}} which are not actually used by either template, or anywhere for that matter. (See insource search) If kept rename to "[Dis]estcatCountry" to "[Dis]establishment category by country" per the corresponding template names. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Human life scientists and Indian human life scientists

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Delete categories Category:Human life scientists and Category:Indian human life scientists with only one member Alex Mathew who is included in the category Category:Indian scientists (but is he is a scientist?).Hugo999 (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Also, remove the article from several other scientist categories. As far as I can see in the article, Alex Mathew was not occupied as a scientist. Initially I thought well at least he may have been a writer, but there is no information about publications either. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Members of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh

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Nominator's rationale: There is no need to distinguish current and former members in categorising biographies. Although there is a supporting page List of Office Bearers of the Harveian Society of Edinburgh and Harveian Orations, the office-bearers category should describe itself rather than following that page name. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean women independence activists

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Nominator's rationale: I'm the creator of the category now on an IP. I originally created the cat under the target name, but it was speedy renamed a while back. I think the new name is either incorrect or confusingly worded. My original scope for the category was "Women who advocated for Korea's independence", not "Korean women who advocated for independence". There were several non-Korean women in the category at time of renaming. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison Courtesy tagging the prev renamer; please lmk if my interpretation of the new name is incorrect 104.232.119.107 (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose rename and Propose splitting to Korean women independence activists and Women activists for Korean independence. Clearly, the original name was confusing as it could be interpretated as either. Mason (talk) 14:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this proposal. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 14:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Black Parade

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Nominator's rationale: Songs aren't usually categorized by the album they are on, and there is precedent to suggest this is overcategorization, since the songs will be listed in the article for the album and the songs category for the artist (see CfD for The Unforgettable Fire and Cfd for Abbey Road). Removing the songs leaves one other article and four redirects, which are categorized under Category:My Chemical Romance albums or its subcats. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Professional wrestling in Richfield Township, Summit County, Ohio

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Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles, does not aid navigation. User:Namiba 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baen Books available as e-books

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Nominator's rationale: Not WP:DEFINING. It's like having a category Category:Albums available on CD or Category:TV series available on DVD --woodensuperman 14:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Northern Nigeria

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Nominator's rationale: split, this is a rather odd category because we have neither an article Northern Nigeria nor a Category:Northern Nigeria. We do have articles Northern Nigeria Protectorate and Northern Region, Nigeria so the proposal is to split the category in the same manner as the articles. Everything that fits neither can be dispersed to the tree of Category:History of Nigeria as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ohinoyi of Ebiraland

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Nominator's rationale: delete, category contains only two articles which is not very helpful for navigation, the two articles are already directly interlinked and they are also both in Category:Nigerian traditional rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rice genetics

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Nominator's rationale: Single-article category –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Expressways

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Nominator's rationale: Both Category:Expressways and Category:Limited-access roads claim to cover limited-access roads, so they are covering the exact same topic. The term "expressway" is ambiguous as it can either refer to limited-access roads or controlled-access highways, so it is better to have Category:Limited-access roads and Category:Controlled-access highways as categories rather than using the term "expressway" for either. – BrandonXLF (talk) 04:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional robbers

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Nominator's rationale: There is very little to distinguish thieves from robbers, both of which have the exact same connotation with one being a subgroup of the other. Given the huge overlap, given that many fictional thieves also engage in robbery, this newly created category should be merged back as overcategorization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Artists from New Spain

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Nominator's rationale: Non of the people in here are described as being New Spanish. I think that this kind of category could work as a parent/container category, but I don't see how it's helpful to bundle such disparate people together Mason (talk) 18:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • They do not seem very disparate, most of them lived not too far from Mexico City, the capital of New Spain. And even if they would live far away from the capital, is that a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    New Spain is such a broad area over a huge period of time. Wouldn't it make more sense to have this as a parent category for Category:16th-century Mexican artists etc instead? Mason (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Russia is a big country too and it has existed for a long time too. Is that a problem? Of course I wouldn't object to subcategories based on administrative subdivisions, but I am not sure if Mexico was one. At least there were the Captaincy General of Guatemala, the Captaincy General of Yucatán, and the three big Caribbean islands each were their own captaincy general. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I think that the British Empire is a better comparison than Russia. New Spain is an empire that as far as I can tell isn't something people are defined by. In comparison, being Russian is someone people are regularly defined by.I don't tend to see people described as Artists from New Spain, but I do see things about Artists from Russia. *shrug* I just don't think that this category is helpful for navigation without child categories. Mason (talk) 22:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scottish noblewomen

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Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and purge this category to mirror British women by rank and English women by rank Mason (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American high school teachers

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Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse by level of educator? Do we have middle school, elementary school? This just doesn't need to be very defining Mason (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Namiba. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Writers from the Thirteen Colonies

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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. In each case, the merge target is much much older. A category rename or a cfd would have been a better approach than creating duplicate categories. Mason (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, but immediately rename the targets back to Thirteen Colonies, per Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies. Otherwise people from New Spain or New France might be added to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm fine with merge and rename as long as in the end, we have a redirect pointing from Category:Colonial American FOO to Category:FOO from the Thirteen Colonies. That'll ensure that the category header templates can figure out what's happened and keep Category:17th-century American merchants as a child of Category:Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies. Mason (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English expatriates in the Thirteen Colonies

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Nominator's rationale: The only category member is described as a "colonist in the short-lived Saybrook Colony", which by definition is isn't an expatriate Mason (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century British biblical scholars

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Nominator's rationale: isolated underpopulated categories. I don't think that we need to diffused at the intersection of nationality and century Mason (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm fine with deletion. Mason (talk) 03:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th-century Peruvian poets

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only page in this category is an organization, not individual biographies Mason (talk) 01:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Habbo

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Nominator's rationale: This category is not that helpful. It only contains the main subject, the company that owns Habbo and the guy who created it. Pretty pointless, all two other articles can easily be found on the Habbo article itself... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Martial arts medalists for Iran

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Nominator's rationale: Category created by a banned user, as well as a redundant/non-defining category. (here the category includes any medalist, not a specific medal) Mason (talk) 00:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


July 29

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Armenian Catholic churches

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Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly just one or two articles per category, merging them facilitates navigating to more church articles more easily. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator's rationale: Not ambiguous as the others can't be related to mass media. Therefore remove the disambiguator ((entertainment)) from the category:Drag (entertainment) subcategories. --MikutoH talk! 22:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Afghan refugee and immigrant athletes

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining 3-way intersection of occupation + nationality + refugee status that is also really narrow. Mason (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I created this category in line with Category:Iranian refugee and immigrant athletes. I've also now added 14 more articles to this category using PetScan for an intersection of Afghan refugees and Afghan athletes. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Populating the category doesn't actually address the concern about this 3x intersection being narrow and non-defining. I've now added the other category in question to this nomination. Thanks for pointing it out. Mason (talk) 23:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, just sharing my rationale behind the creating the category, and populating it a bit in case this results in a keep. I'll respect the community consensus here once it's determined. Thanks for the good work here. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 05:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States presidential pen pals

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Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. I don't think these are the only people to correspond with the U.S. president by letter. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Parents of presidents of Uruguay

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Doesn't help with navigation, IMO. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cyndi Wang filmography

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Nominator's rationale: Films aren't categorized by who stars/appears in them per WP:PERFCAT. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Neologisms by year

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Nominator's rationale: Kinda obsolete, "forgotten" category with a handful of entries. (I tried to find Category:1992 neologisms there and surprized to find none.) Its entries should be included into category:Neologisms by decade. - Altenmann >talk 17:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Great Britain by period

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Nominator's rationale: delete, presumably the consequence of the deletion of Category:History of Great Britain in this earlier discussion is that its subcategories should also be deleted. I will follow up with decades and years later.
@Omnis Scientia, Ham II, Johnbod, Nederlandse Leeuw, and PearlyGigs: pinging participants to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with Category:History of Great Britain was the scope (the period 1707–1800, which made it indistinguishable from the scope of Category:Kingdom of Great Britain); in my opinion it should be recreated, with the scope being the history of the island. Ham II (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure. I don't think re-creating the category will solve the underlying problem. The comparison with Category:History of Ireland is tempting, but I think the island of Ireland can much more easily be taken as a scope, as both the Republic and Northern Ireland are relatively recent phenomena that lead to few ambiguities for categorisation.
Perhaps we should first delete the 19th, 20th and 21st-century categories and go from there? NLeeuw (talk) 11:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree we should immediately delete the 19th, 20th and 21st century ones which have no articles and only the requisite English, Scottish, and Welsh sub-categories. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be rather artificial if a category tree for the island ended in the 18th century. Could there be a "United Kingdom > Great Britain > England, Scotland and Wales" (plus "Ireland (1801–1923)" and "Northern Ireland", as appropriate) structure for the 19th century onwards? Ham II (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom. Ham II (talk) 05:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(first war) Category:War of Saint Sabas‎ (1 C, 10 P)
(second war) Category:War of Curzola‎ (1 C, 3 P)
(fourth war) (Category:War of Chioggia‎ (1 C, 3 P)
If we upmerge as proposed, then we'll have these battles grouped both in Category:Venetian–Genoese wars and in these 3 subcategories. Per WP:DIFFUSE, that's not very practical. Would it be worth upmerging those subcategories as well to avoid duplication? Aside from the battles and the main articles of the 1st, 2nd and 4th war, the only other contents are "People of the Xth war" subcategories, which we've also already covered in Category:People of the Venetian–Genoese wars. In short, there's a lot of duplication going on here. I'm not sure which solution I would find most elegant, but I'm considering this alt proposal:
Might this work better than the proposal of nom? NLeeuw (talk) 12:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Argentina–Brazil football rivalry at international tournaments

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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization considering how few articles are in both subcategories. The articles in these two categories can remain in the main category. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 11:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Kenyan male singers

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary diffusion of just 13 pages. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nonpersons in the Eastern Bloc

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Nominator's rationale: Orifinal research. The statute of the category says "In the Eastern Bloc, the political systems made directed efforts to expunge these people from history (akin to the Orwellian term "unperson"). However the items in the category are an eclectic collection, some of which, such as Eduard Eelma say not a word why he is here. Others, such as Leon Trotsky are direct contradiction: Trotsky was a scarecrow for a long time, far from being "expunged from history". Not to say that the term "nonperson" is applied only to Isaac Babel - Altenmann >talk 01:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


July 28

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Category:1920s Mexican film stubs

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Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category. As always, stub categories are not free for just anybody to create willy-nilly, and have to have around 60 articles before they can be created -- but there are just six articles here, and a full AWB comparison between Category:Mexican films and Category:1920s film stubs failed to find 54 more. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:USOPC profile template using accessdate parameter

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Nominator's rationale: Parameter |accessdate= of Template:USOPC profile stopped being used together with the category in Special:Diff/1168233416. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians in Bombay Beach, California

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Nominator's rationale: Bombay Beach, California has only a few hundred inhabitants, and apparently none of them edit Wikipedia (since the category holds no users). jlwoodwa (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sofascore template using numeric ID

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Nominator's rationale: The Template:Sofascore has stopped using this category in Special:Diff/1197330180. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As the person who removed this tracking category from the template, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a deletion at that time. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Female-fronted musical groups

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Nominator's rationale: Because:
  • Doesn't work when considering bands with a mix of male and female vocalists such as Fleetwood Mac and Svalbard, it would be better to just put "mixed gender bands" and "all female bands". Also places undue weight and scrutiny on women in (the) band/s, potentially/usually against their wishes
  • I don't think that being "female" is an inherent musical characteristic. It is not a genre, and I feel that it reduces/ghettoizes frontwomen in bands are based on/to their sex rather than their music (not to mention the use of "front"). There are traits in music that can be defined as feminine and masculine (which are available to musicians of ALL genders), which is something you can infer from listening and evaluate. being a woman is literally as surface level as you can get in musical evaluation. plus screaming growling singing etc is not limited to one gender.
  • Listed here are a few articles by reliable sources, written/featuring commentators and musicians, discussing the problem of definining music by gender/using the term "female fronted".

Discuss, I guess. Chchcheckit (talk) 20:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also: it categorizes a thousand bands into one thing when they don't sound alike or have much in common besides being women. "women heavy metal singers" is fine, but this is just hasty generalization Chchcheckit (talk) 21:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Royal Belgian Football Association player template using non-numeric ID

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Nominator's rationale: Usage of this category was removed from Template:Royal Belgian Football Association player in Special:Diff/1125288254. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Countries in Europe by region

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Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted after discussion as seen here Moxy🍁 19:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Western European countries

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Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted after discussion as seen here Moxy🍁 19:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Army Air Forces officer trainees

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Nominator's rationale: Non defining category. These are effectively people who didn't become officers Mason (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, they served in the Army Air Forces, but were neither officers nor enlisted. The recommended parent cat is essentially a container cat with subcats only. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review what defining mean. @FieldMarine (It'll help you make better counter arguments). They may indeed be United States Army Air Forces officer trainees (a.k.a. neither officers nor enlisted), but that's not how these people are regularly described. Mason (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They cat description summarizes what the cat represents, and that is reflected in how they are described in the articles with the cat. There are many types of officer trainees depending on what program of entry they sign up for (ROTC, OCS, Aviation Cadet, etc.) but as a whole, the group is a distinct classification in the U.S. military. Of note, in the case of Aviation Cadet, they often held the rank for extended period of time, as did Midshipmen in the Navy. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rugby Africa Cup

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Nominator's rationale: There is a speedy request to move Category:Africa Cup to Category:Rugby Africa Cup. To preserve the category history the newly created category needs to be deleted and the speedy move actioned. Bcp67 (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Siemiatycze

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Nominator's rationale: Small categories (only one person in the people category and only two in the politicians category) for a small (pop. 14K) town. As always, this would be fine if there were a lot more people from Siemiatycze to file in it than this, but every town does not automatically need or get one of these the moment just a couple of people with Wikipedia articles have been from there -- and since we already have the county-level category, which only has eight people in it and thus isn't in any desperate need of diffusion, there's no significant loss of context in just using that instead. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ESPN FC template using numeric ID

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Nominator's rationale: Template:ESPN FC stopped using this category in Special:Diff/886229099. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:FootballDatabase.eu template using non-numeric ID

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Nominator's rationale: Template:FootballDatabase.eu stopped using this category for tracking in 2022, see Special:Diff/1125919207. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See also Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion § C4 – unused maintenance categories. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As the creator of the category, I agree with deleting it. My apologies for not requesting a speedy deletion when I removed this tracking category from the template. -- Zyxw (talk) 02:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Princes of Venice

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Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic, neither for the vice roy of Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic) neither for the claimed head of the former royal family of Italy. And these two articles is all there is in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kevin Costner albums

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Nominator's rationale: There has only been one item in this category for the last sixteen years. Overcategorization. Nicholas0 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous people

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Nominator's rationale: rename for clarification. Also, I have just added this to the tree of Category:Mammal breeds. An alternative could be to upmerge the category to Category:Mammal breeds and Category:Indigenous culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion. What about Breeds/Mammal breeds domesticated by Indigenous people? The current name and the proposal both sound really awkward to me. Mason (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Philippine Sports Commission

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Nominator's rationale: Unneeded eponymous category that contains nothing apart from the main article. Paul_012 (talk) 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: In light of the population of the category since the nomination, I'm willing to withdraw my nomination (though it should continue as there has also been another delete !vote). --Paul_012 (talk) 12:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose At the time of nominate, indeed the category contained only the eponymous article. I have since added applicable entries to the category. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Multiple citizenship

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Option A: rename Category:Multiple citizenship to Category:Multiple nationality.
OR: option B: rename Category:People with multiple nationality to Category:People with multiple citizenship.
Rationale: consistency. Until other arguments weigh in, option B is the preferred option per article title Multiple citizenship. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Asian conservative liberals

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Nominator's rationale: These categories are extremely vague. An extremely CFD on classically similar categories have been purged Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_3#Classical_liberals Mason (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT men artists

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Nominator's rationale: Moving to [full]. Norm is "Male artists". For the record, the speedy rename was supported by the category creator. @MikutoH and Marcocapelle: discussants. Mason (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Do you have any sources for the claim that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous? And can you please doublecheck that with a person or source you trust because I believe that is incorrect. Polygnotus (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that. And no, I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do, that is entirely against the spirit of Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: So, in summary: you wrote something that isn't true (Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward), I tried to help you by pointing it out, then you changed it to two other claims that are also not true ("Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing" and "Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly ambiguous") and now you made a new claim (I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that.) that also isn't true (that source does not support that claim). You are perhaps misremembering the part where it says: Youth reported their sex assigned at birth by answering: “What is your sex?” Response options were female or male. Although this question does not refer to sex assigned at birth specifically, several studies have found that TGD youth are likely to understand “sex” to be sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity (the source says that the word "sex" is understood to mean sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity, not that the words "male" and "female" are associated with sex assigned at birth). I have asked you to provide a source for your claims that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous and in response you wrote: I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do. That does not make sense. Polygnotus (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MikutoH: did vote but on the talkpage, not here. I have left a message on their talkpage asking them to vote here. Polygnotus (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed my mind and I'm neutral now. No one answered me: is the adjective women grammatical? Two editors said male exclude trans men. So what's the best?
It looks like more an undebated Wikipedia convention. --MikutoH talk! 22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Literary critics by ethnicity

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a single category isolated like this. Mason (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I created the category because I needed a parent category for Category:Aromanian literary critics. Now it is getting nominated for deletion. Sooner or later someone editing in the Kurdish topic area (for example) will also need this category (unless no Kurdish literary critics have ever existed). They'll create the category and again it will have one single member and find itself here. What is the sense of this? Just leave the category and it will enlarge with time. There is no benefit from this. Super Ψ Dro 09:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now there's another category. Super Ψ Dro 09:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't make categories with one page in them. Creating Kurdish literary critics isn't helpful unless you populate it. Mason (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you requesting me that I do not create appropriate categories? There must surely be other Kurdish literary critics, this is an ethnic group of around 40 million people. It is not helpful to expect one user to bother addressing arbitrary nitpicks in obscure technical areas of Wikipedia rather than letting the categories naturally grow. Deleting the categories is helpful to exactly zero readers. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have spent 20 minutes looking through Kurdish writer biographies to find literary critics. The category now has 5 people. There were some other biographies who were described as "critics" which were probably fit for the category but didn't want to risk it because I am not an expert on Kurdish topics. It should have been someone who was, rather than me pushed by an useless nomination, that populated the category.
Regarding Aromanians I am the author of dozens of Aromanian biographies in Wikipedia. I will eventually get my way to other Aromanian literary critics and use the category. I wouldn't have created the category if I didn't know it'd be included into several biographies in the future. The category will exist in some years anyway and deleting it right now is only to fullfill a false sense of order. I ask not to be pushed into rushing new articles just for the sake of this nomination. This is not the purpose of volunteering at Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 17:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be under Category:Literary critics by language if it concerns an ethnolinguistic group this is your own opinion. We have many categories of profession and ethnicity. Language and ethnicity are not the same, the latter categories are necessary for stateless groups. In some of the categories at Category:Literary critics by language, there are people not belonging to the ethnic groups that speak those languages. For example at Category:Literary critics of Arabic there are Luc-Willy Deheuvels and Emilio García Gómez. Super Ψ Dro 16:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


July 27

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Category:Expatriates from the Kingdom of Prussia in Congress Poland

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is extremely narrow, has only one person in it, and neither of these nations presently exist. Mason (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel

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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Uzbekistani people by occupation

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one occupation in here, and it seems unlikely that this category will be needed anytime soon. Mason (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games about crime

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Propose renaming Category:Video games about crime to Category:Crime video games
Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". This also makes it consistent with other medium subcategories listed at Category:Crime fiction (such as Category:Crime films and Category:Crime novels). AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video games about the military

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Propose renaming Category:Video games about the military to Category:Military and war video games
Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". Besides, this is new name would just roll off the tongue better IMO. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Comedy video games

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Nominator's rationale: As per Comedy in video games there is no proof that a "comedy video game" genre actually exists, and while there are categories for "parody" or "satire", that is more self-evident. Comedy comes in numerous forms, making the separation between comedic and non-comedic unclear (I could call Garry's Mod a "comedy" game even if it is all unintentional). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What about licensed video game adaptations of comedy movies and shows? Category:Parody video games and Category:Satirical video games have significant overlap with this category, I'd argue many of the games listed here could be categorized as comedy games, what makes these subcategories more legit than the parent category? AHI-3000 (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parody and satire might actually merit a merge into each other, but they are indicative of a clear attempt to mock the original source material which is quickly evident. McPixel is obviously a parody of MacGuyver. Meanwhile, comedic video games are rarely classified as such. I don't see anyone calling Drakengard 3 a comedy game despite in my experience being heavily humorous, people classify it as an action game. Comedy and parody/satire are not the same. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google search for "comedy video games".
Not sure how many of these websites are considered to be reliable sources according to Wikipedia policies, but for what it's worth there does seem to be a belief that Comedy exists as a narrative genre for video games, akin to Horror, Fantasy or Science Fiction.
Also, please take a look at the "Comedy video games" category. Admittedly, most of the subcategories are for licensed adaptations of various film and TV franchises which everyone agrees are primarily comedic by nature. Games based on comedy movies and shows tend to also be comedic and heavily focused on humor.
And another thing to consider is that there are non-adaptational video game franchises that are known for having a mostly comedic tone. Some notable examples are Borderlands, Destroy All Humans!, Monkey Island, Ratchet & Clank, and Saints Row. And I'm quite certain that there are countless reliable sources which describe these games' focus on humor and satire.
AHI-3000 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games, Unlike film and television, "comedy" is not a defining genre of video games—not used academically and not used as a thematic genre in reviews. Elements can be discussed as comedic but games are not discussed as genre classification ("a comedy") the same way they are discussed as "a satire" or "a parody". czar 16:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give a more recent argument than an old discussion from 2017? Can you disprove the examples I gave of the comedic video game series I mentioned, with reviewers and other sources describing their focus on humorous elements? Or the numerous video game adaptations of comedy movies and TV shows? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think WP:THREE applies here. Asking people to sort through thousands of google search results isn't a particularly compelling argument. If you think "comedy game" is a real genre, find your best 3 sources that establish that and post them. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, here is a Finnish interview about comedy video games with three developers (discussing e.g. what makes a game comedic and how it relates to interactivity) by Pelit: https://www.pelit.fi/artikkelit/huumoripelit-haastattelut/ --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Attempt to revive a deleted category that editors considered non-defining, comedy just appears to be a quirk or an unintentional mishap when it comes to video games. I am also considering that AHI-3000's new "Video games by narrative genre" category to be merged back into "Video games by theme." or at least just remove the parent category "Video games by genre" from that category... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I agree that there's no evidence that such a genre exists, and this horse has already been beaten before. Looking myself, I can find a few mentions of the idea of it as a category, but not enough to establish that it's a well-defined thing. ― novov (t c) 06:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete In a technical sense, a comedy is a story with a happy ending. I understand that the meaning has slipped in popular culture to describe humor. But none of these things are defining features of video games. It leads to an arbitrary category where editors are guessing how much humor needs to be involved before a game can be considered a comedy. It is unverifiable and impractical to maintain. Shooterwalker (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is inherently meaningless, so there's no such genre, so WP:RSes do not authoritatively define it. It has already been correctly deleted, and it would have failed a proposal, but the dead-horse-beater didn't propose it for a pre-deletion rejection. So it must be deleted now, like everybody above said. "Humorous elements" is meaningless and does not define a genre. Blurting out a Google search is meaningless. This is WP:ILIKEIT WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. — Smuckola(talk) 03:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National military histories by war

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Nominator's rationale: delete, after a few earlier closures there are only two subcategories left here and they are quite unrelated, it is highly unlikely that someone would want to navigate from one subcategory to the other. By deleting the category all content still remains part of the tree of Category:Military history by war as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the Fourth Aliyah

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Nominator's rationale: disperse, period of 1924-1929 is arbitrary and we have diffused these migrants already by country of origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, Marco. That’s not going to happen. This is a category specific to the period of the Fourth Aliyah, which was 5 years. We do not want to merge it into a 20 year period of immigration. Dag21902190 (talk) 07:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • These are not arbitrary periods, you are flexing your ignorance of Israeli history.
    Furthermore, believe it or not, definition of a “member” is “one of the individuals of a group”. The group of individuals who migrated to the Land of Israel during each Aliyah was a “member” of that respective Aliyah. They have been referred to as members of their respective Aliyot since the founding of the state.
    if you want to change the word “member” for “migrant”, you will have to figure out how to change that on each person’s page. But your statement that “member” only refers to the “member of an organization”, is not true. It is your perspective of the word, but not reality.
    I will note that the time you have dedicated to coming after these unique categories, and attempting to disperse them into the ether, piques my interest. You have spent hours attacking Israeli categories and pages, wasting time that could have been used being productive.
    We will not be doing anything to the categories, as that would be denying the reality of each unique Aliyah.
    I’m starting to have serious questions about the moderators of this platform. Everything Israel-related gets attacked non-stop (in an organized fashion), by people like you, who don’t even know what the Aliyot were! Making claims that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time-period is a blatant lie, and your privileges should be investigated. This is bizarre. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Furthermore, I find it absolutely fascinating that you nominated the first five Aliyot for dispersal, but left out the Aliyah Bet category. Is it because Aliyah Bet was illegal immigration, and doesn’t make the Jews look good? So you wanted to disperse one through five, and keep just the illegal immigration?
    This entire nomination should be ignored, and the bias you’ve shown by nominating it should come back and bite you. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1st. Category:Aliyah Bet does not contain immigrants, it is a topic category. So that is something completely different. 2nd. Every of these Aliyahs is not a single group, they concern a process of several years with many separate groups and individuals. Group membership is therefore completely inapplicable here. 3rd. Please stop with personal attacks. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I’m not sure what you don’t understand, and the reason you keep doubling down on a subject you know nothing about is beyond me. Each Aliyah had its own unique movement. The facilitators of those Aliyot knew that they were facilitating the first, second, third, fourth, fifth Aliyah, and then Aliyah Bet. These categories organize the early Zionist immigrants to the land of Israel by the specific Aliyah movements that facilitated their immigration. To deny the benefits of these categories, and continue to gaslight me, is just a disingenuous tactic. I frankly consider the mass nominations of my categories for” deletion” and “merging” as vandalism, and an overreach of your privileges. You are not a victim here, you are the attacker. Dag21902190 (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Only now I notice that you have created Category:Members of Aliyah Bet too. I will nominate this category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Liz: not by nominator, but by creator of these categories. They have manually moved the articles from "Members" to "Immigrants". That is a waste of effort because the move could have done by a bot if there was consensus for it. I have updated the proposal accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You should be investigated by Wikipedia for overreach of your editing privileges. You are stalking my page, attempting to merge all of my work into broader categories that don’t differentiate between Aliyot, (which is the entire point of these categories). This is the 12th category of mine that you have vandalized with some sort of banner, and for no good reason other than it relates to Israel. You didn’t like the word “member”, so I changed it to ”immigrant”. Now you’re making a blatantly false claim that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time period. It doesn’t matter to you if you revise history, as long as you prevent a compartmentalized gold-mine of information, like these categories, from existing. You are working hard to prevent any sort of organization that makes it easy to research the early history of Israel. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, Marcocapelle, I saw the comment they inserted in your nomination and thought they were the nominator. What is going to happen with all of these "Member" categories that are now empty? Will they be turned into redirects if this proposal goes through? Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't see a convincing argument to disperse. Marco points out 5 year periods are arbitrary, but so are centuries. If, as Dag states, there exists a mode of reference that divides the immigrants into 5 periods, and someone may reasonably be taking advantage of that division to differentiate between 2 immigrants from different periods, I don't see any reason to disperse. If Dag just invented this division himself I would agree, but my impression is that this isn't the case. JoeJShmo💌 23:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC) not extended confirmed HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep I'm not confident they can be dismissed as arbitrary periods - insofar that distinct push and pull factors during the different periods makes each wave have its own characteristics - but even if arbitrary periods of early immigration, they are well recognised as distinct periods (at least within Jewish scholarship). Culturally, also, the Israeli concept of "returning home" as part of an Aliyah is distinct from immigration. For these reasons, the people who were part of such migration would most likely identify it with the X Aliyah name, not as anything else. So as long as there is a good source saying that an individual moving to (insert era) Palestine did so as part of an Aliyah, I believe it is a valid identifying category. My one is concern, though, that people who may have migrated and aren’t identified as part of an Aliyah may be added to these categories based on timespan alone; manual sorting could be required which (I know from experience) is exhaustive and nigh-impossible. For simplicity and not being technically untrue, I wouldn’t staunchly object to the merge proposals as laid out. Kingsif (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kaguya-hime

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Nominator's rationale: All articles in the category are adaptations. Also the category title should use the current title of the main article. Mika1h (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hijacked journals

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Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Proposal: listify, where it could be better sourced. Currently this content is not discussed in the eponym article, Hijacked journal, nor in most member artciles, e.g., Sylwan. fgnievinski (talk) 19:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep None of these are reasons for deletion. If it's not discussed in each article, it should be. That individuals are not discussed in the main eponimous article is irrelevant, because they shouldn't be. We mention the first known case, Archive des Sciences as an example, but there's no reason to mention the others. WP:NONDEF also does not apply because journals do not control if they are hijacked or not, but it's very much an important thing to know about a journal. And if you want to have a list, have a list, but that does not make the category irrelevant or useless. Also an important defense for WP:CITEWATCH. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, lots of things can be a "important thing to know" (for whom?) but that does not put WP:NONDEF aside. No objection to listification if someone volunteers for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    for whom? For the reader. If you stumble upon a citation to e.g. Sylwan, it's important to know that Sylwan was hijacked, and that you may not be looking at the real Sylwan but the fake one. Also, per WP:NONDEF
  • a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject.
  • We have multiple reliable sources describing these journals as hijacked
  • if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
  • If it's not mentioned in the lead, it should be.
  • if the characteristic falls within any of the forms of overcategorization mentioned on this page, it is probably not defining.
  • It doesn't fall into any of them.
Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which sources define them as "a hijacked journal"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See Beall's list, Retraction Watch, ScholarlyOA (before it was itself hijacked), Walailak Journal, Nature, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those are sources about the topic of hijacking. The question is about sources about the subjects in the category. Please read WP:NONDEF carefully. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Every one of those sources identify specific journals being hijacked, and how they were hijacked. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      You're missing the gist of NONDEF, so I'll quote:
      A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place.
      It goes on to say:
      • if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
      No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". They just happen to be a victim of a scam. Granted, it's nice to know, but it needs to be sourced; a list would be the best place to cite sources, which is not technically possible in a mere category membership. fgnievinski (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". No, but the lead could (and I would argue, should) end with "The journal was hijacked by <organization>, with a fake website at <fakeurldomain>, and the legitimate site hosted at <realurldomain>".[source]" This is absolutely critical information because otherwise someone looking for e.g. Wulfenia could well end up checking the scam version rather than the legit version. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and listify per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I've added the list from the category to the article Journal hijacking. Regardless of result, the list is there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a partial list and does not belong in the article, nor does it negate the purpose of the category. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NBC LX Home affiliates

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Nominator's rationale: No longer available OTA but still streaming; these stations have/will start airing a new diginet, NBC American Crimes (no article yet) Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Acquired citizenship

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Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions on "Naturalized citizens". Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Baltic Germans

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Nominator's rationale: Three related categories:

I am not sure which way to merge, but current situation makes a mess Estopedist1 (talk) 11:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what I think should happen is it should be merged into "Category:Baltic-German people", than the page should be split into a new catigory called "Category:Lists of Baltic-German German people". the "Category:Baltic-German culture" should be made a subcategory of Baltic-German people. Zyxrq (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Farmers who died by suicide in the United States

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Nominator's rationale: Only one article and a category with two films. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Models from London by borough

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merging categories
Nominator's rationale: Merge/Delete per WP:OCLOCATION Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:First women admitted to degrees at Oxford

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Nominator's rationale: While notable interesting, I'd say this is trivial. Perhaps Listify. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Kingdom

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early religion by century

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Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer for this early period, the categories only contain a people subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dionysus in mythology

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Nominator's rationale: Dionysus is a mythological character and so most of the content related to him is related to mythology, but I can understand the point of diffusing all the miscellaneous articles relating to his mythology. The "X in mythology" category name is better used for depictions of real things and concepts in mythology, such as Category:Animals in mythology. The proposed name is based on Category:Mythology of Heracles. MClay1 (talk) 08:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agree per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bogs, fens and marshes in mythology

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Nominator's rationale: More encompassing and simpler name. Bogs, fens and marshes are apparently three of the four main types of wetlands, with swamps being the other, and I can't see why that should be excluded. Mythology is a subcategory of folklore. This is currently a small category, but I can see it being expanded, as wetlands are often the subject of folklore. MClay1 (talk) 06:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Total agreement with nom. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire)

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Nominator's rationale: From the category description this is supposed to be for Dutch people who served the Spanish Empire during the Eight Years War. The current name doesn't convey that's the relationship.

I don't have a good rename suggestion, but I think the current version is confusing. Mason (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Racially motivated violence against Europeans

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  • Propose renaming:
Category:Racially motivated violence against white Europeans to Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Europe
Category:Racially motivated violence against black Europeans to Category:Racially motivated violence against black people in Europe
Nominator's rationale: The first of these categories formerly included violence against white colonialists in Asia or the Americas, which isn't really comparable to anti-white attacks in Europe. I felt that (following the example of Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa that it was more appropriate to subcategorize by location of the attacks, rather than by the origin of the victims.
In addition, these categories already seems to be subcategories of Category:Racially motivated violence in Europe, strengthening the case that they ought to be subcategories by location. GCarty (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in spirit, but instead of white people/black people. It should be Category:Racially motivated violence in CONTINENT against people of African descent to make it clearer that the location and descent are easier to distinguish. Mason (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa

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Nominator's rationale: Most of these articles are about anti-colonial or anti-settler violence. They cannot and should not be conflated with racially motivated violence in other contexts. User:Namiba 16:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the category does not apply.--User:Namiba 12:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan

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Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NPOV, this resembles Category:Buildings and structures in the Republic of Artsakh that was just deleted. Note that three articles are in Category:Armenian Apostolic churches in Azerbaijan which is not a problematic category because it refers to denomination rather than to country/nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Games by genre

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Nominator's rationale: The categories for non-electronic games only consider "genres" as games by a certain topic and not by their mechanics or structure, unlike the video games by genre category. Perhaps we could rename all these categories to be analogous with the video game genres category. But we might need to rename "Games by type" to "Games by genre" in turn. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mythology of Perseus

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Nominator's rationale: Per the naming of other eponymous categories, such as Category:Heracles and Category:Jason. MClay1 (talk) 01:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek mythological characters by location

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Nominator's rationale: User:Markx121993 appears to have tried to manually rename the category (that he created three years ago) by creating the new name and then manually moving all the contents. The old category then got nominated for speedy deletion for being empty, which I stopped by turning it into a redirect. I propose deleting the target and then doing a proper move so as not to lose the old category's page history. MClay1 (talk) 01:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Participant in the Council of Chalcedon

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Nominator's rationale: I think these should be plural, but I'd like to get someone's opinion who is familiar with these councils Mason (talk) 00:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support pluralizing - no reason for them to be singular (not a topic i edit around, but a hobby interest of mine). ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support These were supposedly church councils with hundreds of participants. No need for singular in the title. Dimadick (talk) 06:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support As the creator of these cats, I support this renaming, it feels more natural. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Togolese women company founders

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are not enough people in this tree to justify diffusion. Mason (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Togolese businesspeople by industry

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Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layers Mason (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
neutral: I don't know what the thinking is about these cats, so I'm staying neutral and let the community vote on that, but note that I created those cats looking at the cats avalaible for Westerners doing the same job as the page I just created then, which was Kavsokl Batoka at the time, I believe. Here it was probably Coco Channel that was taken as an example by myself. Maybe it's a mistake, but at least it shows that the same type of cats exist for Western figures/countries. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crime in Togo by type

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Nominator's rationale: There are numerous redundant category layers for a single page Agence nationale des renseignements (Togo) Mason (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Social movements in Togo

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Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture)

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Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename and reparent this category because there's no Kloto Prefecture category. Mason (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose: We can create the category separately ; I just didn't place it in the required pages, but just in my creations, for example, Agomé-Yoh or Missahoé could be in Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture), whilst Kamalo Falls or Agomé people could be in the larger category of Category:Kloto Prefecture. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Populated places in Togo by type

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant category layer. Mason (talk) 00:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Indonesian feminist writers

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one person it in, which isn't helpful for navigation. I urge the category creator to only create categories that can be populated. Mason (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Turn-based video games

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Nominator's rationale: I recently removed the only article that was in this category (NOT the subcategories) "Farlanders" and to be honest, gameplay that is turn-based (progressing in turns) is not very defining. We didn't even include "Digital tabletop games in this category for that matter, but there are so many Chess simulators, Turn-based puzzles like Sokoban, Rogue, heck, even many point-and-click adventure games... It's too plain and basic to be defining, I guess. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep IMO, it's defining for the video games within. Journalists commonly use "turn-based" without specifying a genre to describe gameplay systems, such as here and here, which was my basis for creating it, so I fail to see how it's not defining. Obviously though, if other people disagree I am fine with it getting deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Businesspeople in real estate vs. real estate businesspeople

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Option A

OR Option B

Nominator's rationale: Significant inconsistency problem in Category:Businesspeople in real estate by nationality, with about half of the subcategories using "Demonym real estate businesspeople" and the other half using "Demonym businesspeople in real estate". Obviously these should all be named the same way; given that the parent category is Category:Businesspeople in real estate rather than Category:Real estate businesspeople, it should probably be Option A, although I'm proposing both options for discussion to prevent this landing no-consensus if there are people who feel strongly that it should be the other way. (Nearly all aunts and uncles in the Category:Businesspeople by industry grandparent are in the "businesspeople in industry" format rather than the "industry businesspeople" format, for the record.) Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Painters by theme

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Nominator's rationale: Johnbod suggested at a previous CFD that this one should also be renamed from "theme", perhaps to "Category:Painters by type of subject". Alternatively, Category:Painters by genre would match the linked category on Commons, and fit within Category:Artists by genre. – Fayenatic London 19:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either would be a big improvement - or "Category:Painters by subject" if that is preferred. I rather demur at using "genre" here, because the word is unfortunately ambiguous as it relates to art - genre painting is one particular genre/type of subject, whereas here we are covering a wide range of other genres. But maybe that horse has bolted. For those just joining, in art and art history, "death" and "love" are themes, the Lamentation of Christ is a subject (which has themes as well). Religious painting, or say altarpiece, is a type of subject, hence my suggesting that. Johnbod (talk) 22:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American farmers of Japanese descent

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Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Manually merge to appropriate categories in Category:American farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Volunteer security group In Nigeria

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Nominator's rationale: Badly-named (it would need to be pluralized as groups and have the I in "in" lowercased if it's to exist at all) category newly created to hold just one thing. A renamed version would be fine if there were five things to file here, but is not needed for just one, so the base "Law enforcement" category is all that's needed at this time. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commercial Bank CEOs in Nigeria

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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization at a bad name that doesn't comply with naming conventions for categories. We don't have any other categories that group banking executives separately from other-type-of-company executives -- i.e. no Category:Bank executives or Category:Banking executives tree exists at all -- but Nigeria doesn't have any special need to categorize banking executives separately from other business executives if no other country has that, and even if there were a valid reason to keep this it would have to be renamed for conformity with proper naming conventions anyway. Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gold graduation stoles

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Nominator's rationale: Category for university and college honor societies on a non-defining characteristic. Honor societies are not defined by the colour of the finery that they present to their graduates. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On first blush I agree with your sentiment @Bearcat, however upon lengthy research, stoles are a central part of the reason people join honor societies, and gold stoles are a common thread and defining feature of many honor societies in particular. This is furthered by the idea of one honor society suing another for using gold stoles. I believe it's a meaningful category for the academic space, and a way students and schools do categorize societies. I would be open renaming as the wiki community sees fit. WikiObjectivity (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nepalese martyrs

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Nominator's rationale: merge, overlapping categories, "democracy activist" is more NPOV than "martyr". Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Martyrs are not the same as democracy activists. "Martyr" is a technical term here, and a posthumous award of sorts; the government officially designates certain people as martyrs after deliberation. So, NPOV is not an issue. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sport in Norwood, Massachusetts

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Nominator's rationale: "Sport in X" category for a small town without enough noteworthy sporting events to need one. As always, every town that exists does not automatically get one of these the moment one sporting event with an article has been held there -- and while there is one other thing in the Norwood parent category that could be refiled here, there would need to be at least five sporting events with articles to file in here before a dedicated "Sports in Norwood" category was actually needed, and for just two events we only need the state-level sports category and Norwood's eponymous base category rather than an intersected crosscategory. And even if this were to be kept, it would have to be renamed to Sports, because there's an WP:ENGVAR difference between US and UK English here. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator's rationale. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Former states and territories of Thuringia

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with one or two history articles and a people subcategory each. I have purged articles about current populated places in Thuringia, as we have discussed multiple times that articles about current places do not belong in history categories. The main articles are already in the tree of Category:Former states and territories of Thuringia, the subcategories are already in Category:People from former German states in Thuringia so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First Nations

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Nominator's rationale: With the increasing use of "First Nations" as a synonym or replacement for "aboriginal" or "indigenous" in Australia, this category is starting to drift into ambiguous territory, and I've already had to clean it up at least once for the misfiling of several Australia-related topics. So we should probably now rename this to be more Canada-specific, and repurpose the plain "First Nations" as either a container for that and Australian indigenous categories, or a disambiguation category (or just a preemptive categoryredirect to the general Category:Indigenous peoples, since such usage may expand again in the future.) Some other subcategories will likely require renaming as well, but will have to be handled separately because there may be different issues in play (e.g. "First Nations in [Specific Canadian Province or Territory]" won't need renaming; Category:First Nations films will, but "First Nations in Canada films" won't be the correct answer; etc.), and they won't all be consistently one-size-fits-all. Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American citrus farmers

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Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Create new category for American-specific citrus farmers and add that to Category:American orchardists and Category:Citrus farmers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films directed by Chao Deng

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Nominator's rationale: The main article for this category is Deng Chao, where Deng is the subject's family name. However it is not an eponymous category so not eligible for a speedy rename (correct me if I'm wrong on this point) Vegantics (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Philippine anime-influenced Western animated television series

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Nominator's rationale: Empty category, two previous entries failed CATDEF - nothing 'Western' soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series

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Nominator's rationale: Thai anime-influenced Western animated television series. What? Western animated television series, from Thailand and influenced by anime? Well, the two entries didn't mention Western whatsoever so it's an empty category. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Games about extraterrestrial life

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Nominator's rationale: Very redundant, unhelpful, and just pointless. firstly, we already have a separate category for video games, in which this category used to also contain video games, until I moved ALL the video games in the category, to its only subcategory "Video games about extraterrestrial life" which I have also removed from this category. So either we delete this category or just merge with "Extralif. in pop. culture". QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British military personnel of the Nine Years' War

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Nominator's rationale: The Nine Years' War lasted from September 27, 1688, to September 20, 1697, which was before Great Britain became a nation. Notablly 17th-century English military personnel is a parent Mason (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Killzone

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary separation of a video game franchise and its games. This category previously only contained Joris de Man besides its main subject article, but I removed it because while he is a composer of the Killzone video games, he does not fit in, in some ways because he also composed the Horizon soundtrack. I'm pretty sure that is just an excuse for there to be more than 1 article in this category. After this, rename the subcategory to just simply "Killzone." QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to the fact instead of continuing this discussion I decided to label "Killzone games" with a redirect to "Killzone." At this point, you may just to reply with Speedy Keep. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Science fiction shooter video games

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Nominator's rationale: This category that feels out of place - Not a defining trait for the shooter game genre, especially because science fiction is really just a generic theme for the genre as a whole. Does not even categorize every single video game that is both a science fiction and shooter game. I would have instead split with Sci-fi and Shooter games but that wouldn't work due to multiple subgenres of shooter game, and only a few articles do not have a shooter games category, except for like Halo (franchise) and Gears of War. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Squares and ball games

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary/overcategorization Gjs238 (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Three pages are in this category. This category improves WP readers finding things and is helpful. Perhaps some changes in the category name such as "Squares court and ball games" would be better. Happy to progress with the existing name. Rockycape (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. It feels unnecessary to have a completely separate category for ball games that involve squares, when "Squares" could simply be added as a subcategory of "Ball games".
Nn88nn88 (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ball games --> Category:Squares and ball games --> Category: Squares

 
Look up four square or foursquare in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

"Squares" from Category: Squares the generic name commonly used. As follows from Wiktionary definition: A sport played by four players where players have to hit a ball into other people's squares, and attempt to make a return hit. This category includes Hopscotch, Foursquare, Handball (schoolyard game) and Russian four square.Rockycape (talk) 05:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Rockycape: I am sorry but Wiktionary is not a reliable source. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Marcocapelle: Happy to use a online OED reference. Sorry it's behind a paywall. Hmmm - need to give some more thought.
    Rockycape (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Considering the difficulty you have mentioning only one reliable source it is very unlikely that any term is commonly used to describe these three games as a coherent set. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Should be ok as it is commonly used and it's 2/2 with the paywall being the problem for the AED. Off to the bricks and mortar library for me and to take a squiz at the dictionary there. Rockycape (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Macquarie Australian slang dictionary
        Author: general editor James Lambert.
        Imprint: Macquarie University, NSW : Macquarie Library, 2004.
        ISBN: 1876429526
        handball - a common schoolyard game played with a tennis ball which is hit with the hands in a court, consisting usually of either four or six squares, drawn on the asphalt. Four square - The version with four squares also gets called four square

It looks like the Macquarie University reference is of a high standard in addition to backing up the Oxford Dictionary reference(paywall) and the lesser Wiktionary one.Rockycape (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So it's a definition of handball, played with a tennis ball. Sounds like a ball game. Gjs238 (talk) 10:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A
B
C
Rockycape (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the diagram above we would have (A) wall, (B) ball_games, (C) squares.
The categories are:
Category:Ball games
Category:Squares and ball games - you can't play these games without the requisite Squares - just like Squares are essential for Hopscotch. (No ball required for Hopscotch but you get the idea)
Category:Wall and ball games - you can't play these games without the requisite Wall - just like the Wall is essential for squash. (No racquet required here but you get the idea)
Category:Wall and ball games exists already
Category:Squares and ball games is the one we are discussing.
I did the diagram for my benefit to hopefully be able to explain my rationale.
We already many, many games in the Ball games category so collapsing either of the above categories is going to be a step backwards in clarity. Rockycape (talk) 10:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ditherpunk video games

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Nominator's rationale: "Ditherpunk" is still a neogolism, with only a few sources supporting this term (including the developer self describing one of the games in this list), we should be categorizing by such terms Masem (t) 21:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No need for upmerging with Category:Monochrome video games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I started the category to distinguish games with a dithering style from other monochromatic graphics. Besides the growing use in sources, there's also a subreddit dedicated to the style.
However, any other rename for the category could be alright too. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Musical theorists of the medieval Islamic world

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Nominator's rationale: Should be "Music theorists"; "Musical theorists" is not a normal term. Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Module documentation pages

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Nominator's rationale: Per my comments at WP:VPT#Adding documentation subpage to module doc pages, populating this category properly requires a lot of effort both now and every future time a new module is created. Since a similar list can be found via CirrusSearch, the existence of this category is an unnecessary and wasteful drain of resources. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WLH only includes pages that transclude {{Documentation subpage}} directly. Open any doc page in that list and you'll see that the documentation subpage message appears twice. Pppery is wrong. If the category is deleted then finding documentation subpages will become much harder. Nickps (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was wrong about that specific point (now removed), but not my broader point: CirrusSearch or frankly even Special:AllPages/Module: since almost half of all module pages are documentation pages should suffice. And what is the value of finding a list of all module documentation pages anyway? That's never been answered. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding Category:Module documentation pages to your watchlist and letting category changes through the filter would allow you to see every new documentation page in your watchlist. The utility of this feature is explained in MediaWiki_talk:Scribunto-doc-page-header#Category:Module_documentation_pages. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? This still looks like an overengineered solution in search of a problem, causing unnecessary chaos as a result. On the contrary to what you claim, that discussion shows one person who relies on watching template documentation pages and explicitly does not care about module documentaton pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know I watch the category. I can't speak for anyone else. If you ask me though, both of the arguments made for Category:Template documentation pages apply to modules because, while vandalism in module space is rarer, those pages are also less frequently visited, so it can be harder to spot. Removing a tool that would help with this process is a step in the wrong direction. Nickps (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And why would one want to see every new documentation page on one's watchlist? – because one is interested in maintaining module documentation. Keeping it consistent, up-to-date, etc. —⁠andrybak (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conversely, pages like Module:Category_disambiguation/doc are not listed in the WLH, despite clearly including the template. Nickps (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re: populating this category properly requires a lot of effort [...] every future time a new module is created – /doc pages are populated via preload Template:Documentation/preload-module-doc, so it won't be a lot of effort if {{Documentation subpage}} is added to the preload. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Olympic Games in fiction

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Nominator's rationale: Not well defining, some of the entries can be moved to Category:Works about the Olympic Games, but not all of them. I also suspect that most of those entries are already in one of those subcategories. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Egyptian art movements

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Nominator's rationale: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport

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Nominator's rationale: per previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Which province or territory? What country? Can a Canadian player play in a Baseball team in the Northern Territory? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories are named like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture

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Nominator's rationale: per (many) previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd; split should be at the end and it should by "Foo people by region". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Which prefecture? What country? Can a Japanese player play in a Baseball team in Bangui (Prefecture)? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories like this are named like that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close as potential trainwreck per Canadian nomination above. Grutness...wha? 15:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Essays about biology

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Nominator's rationale: Smaller underpopulated category. I've already added the lone page to Biology books‎ Mason (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early infrastructure

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layers in these early centuries. With few exceptions it only contains a bridges subcategory under Transport infrastructure and a fortifications subcategory directly under Infrastructure. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian pacifist Wikipedians

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Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Uncategorised film articles

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Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to be used by any template as I couldn't find it in an insource search. As a manual placed category this isn't really useful. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jazzland Records (1960) albums

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Nominator's rationale: Not sure why two categories were created, but now releases in two categories belong to the same label. The only other label with a similar name also already has its own category: Category:Jazzland Recordings albums. Solidest (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jazzland seems to be a sublabel of it. Riverside Records discography says it's subsidiary, Discogs says it's companion label. Solidest (talk) 12:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • As the articles from both categories have the same label name in the infobox, which links to the same article (even while it is a different article name), merging seems the best solution indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bengali cinema

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Nominator's rationale: The category should be changed since the main article's name was changed from Cinema of West Bengal to Bengali cinema, India. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:12th-century Indian sculptors

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Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge for now. Isolated century category that doesn't really help with navigation. Mason (talk) 01:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video game franchises by narrative genre

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Nominator's rationale: QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this is clearly a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre, why would you suggest an unrelated name? AHI-3000 (talk) 04:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
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Category:Pages using LPFM station data without facility ID

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Nominator's rationale: No longer used in {{LPFM station data}} after the cleanup was completed. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hotels in Pattaya

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Nominator's rationale: Only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Richard Crossman, Secretary of State for Social Services (24 October 1968). "SECRETARY OF STATE for SOCIAL SERVICES". Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Parliament of the United Kingdom: House of Commons. col. 1609. The House will notice that my title is wider than that of the proposed new Department. This is in recognition of the fact, as the Prime Minister mentioned in the House last week, that I have been asked to continue my coordination of the whole range of social services, in addition to my responsibility for the new Department.
  2. ^ "Records created or inherited by the Department of Health and Social Security and related bodies". The National Archives. Retrieved 1 August 2024. Following the report of the Committee on the Home Civil Service (Fulton Committee), the Department of Health and Social Security (DHSS) was created in November 1968. It was formed by the merger of the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Social Security under a Secretary of State for Social Services. The Secretary of State was assisted by two ministers of state responsible for health and social security respectively; in 1976 a Minister of Social Security of Cabinet rank was appointed within the department.
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