Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/October 2008

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 21:23, 28 October 2008 [1].

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List of female Nobel Laureates

I'm currently planning to submit List of Nobel laureates in Economics for the FLC contest, but found this as well. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments I copyedited some. Should be good to go. Gary King (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The Nobel Prizes are awarded annually by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences for individuals"—"for"-->to.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• "In 2008, the winners were awarded the prize amount of 10,000,000 SEK." "the"-->a.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Among Nobel Prize categories, 12 women have won the Nobel Peace Prize, more than any other category." Since the sentence says "more than any other category", the first phrase is redundant.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Since the table is sortable, all the countries need to be linked.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Get an experienced FAC image reviewer to check the images to make sure they are properly tagged/licensed/attributed.

• I'll look into that (Hmm...Eco or David?). — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 02:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you forget to hit the save button? None of your fixes are showing. And yes, David Fuchs or Eco would be fine. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

*smacks self* Yes, I did. And I've asked David here. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Image comments:

• • Image:Jane Addams profile.jpg should have an expired/pd tag, not a self-pd

• Fixed tag. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Image:Pearl Buck.jpg is ca. 1932, thus the expired copyright tag is invalid.

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Image:Gabriela Mistral-01.jpg has deletion tag as no indication of public domain (published 1950s)

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Image:Maria Goeppert-Mayer.gif no indication of its copyright status, with no year of publication

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Image:Betty Williams.jpg no link to discussion which allows free use

• Here apparently. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Image:Wangari Maathai potrait by Martin Rowe.jpg - How do we know the uploader is the author, and the work has been freely released?

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

--All others should check out. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 12:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thats fine save for the betty williams one, I'm not sure of. Check with User:Elcobbola about it, he's more experienced with that sort of thing. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Did so. Thanks for the review. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Per Eco's comments, I've removed the image pending confirmation from OTRS that they received the email granting permission to use the image and that the image has been ticketed. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Issues resolved, Эlcobbola _talk 22:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:IUP (image usage policy) concerns. I apologize for opposing when my help was sought for another issue, but I've found serious issues:
  • Image:Pierre and Marie Curie.jpg - image does not appear at the source. Date of "prior 1907, because Pierre Curie died in 1906" gives the impression that date of creation, not publication, was used when choosing a PD tag. Creation is not the same as publication. How do we know, for example, that this didn't sit in a drawer for 30 years? How can we verify a publication date?

    Cut. Do note that I didn't upload any of these, and my default reaction if I have no idea how to solve the issue will be to remove the image. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Image:Mariecurie.jpg - source has no date information for this image; how can we confirm it was published before 1.1.1923?

    Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Image:Bertha-von-Suttner-1906.jpg - why are we claiming PD based on 70 years after the author's death when the author is "??"; this would be fine if the image were dated 1806, but is not reasonable for a 1906 image (what if a 30-year-old took it and died in 1946, aged 70. That's not an unreasonable scenario). Source, further, is not verifiable; what edition of the Stadtchronik Wien?

    Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Image:Irène Joliot-Curie.jpg - derivative of this image, the source for which does not contain any date information; how can we confirm it was published before 1.1.1923? Why does the summary say "originally published in Jefferson College Times, March 2005" when the copyright tag is claiming pre-1.1.1923 publication?

    Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Image:Maria Goeppert-Mayer.gif - needs a verifiable source. A hitherto deleted en.wiki page is not acceptable. Image is claiming PD-Old; how can we confirm the author has been dead 70 years (seems unlikely to be the case, as Goeppert-Mayer was born in 1906 and seems to be at least in her 30s in this image).

    Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I didn't have time to look at any of the other images. Please judiciously review all images (I even had to fix Image:Jane Addams profile.jpg, the source for which was a dead link). Эlcobbola _talk 21:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Only two other image issues (things get easier with living people):
    • Image:Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin.jpg - same issue with permission as Image:Betty Williams.jpg; how can we confirm this wiki-based permission? The permission of "by all means use the photo of Dorothy Hodgkin, with a credit to Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs", further, is not sufficient as it does not explicitly articulate whether derivatives, reproduction, or commercial use is allowed.

      Left a message on the uploader's talk page. In the meantime, cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

    • Image:Rita Levi-Montalcini in 1965.jpg - source needs to be a link to a page with author/license information, not directly to the image itself. Эlcobbola _talk 21:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

      Added a link here. No idea whether the search will time out or not though. The material in the image description looks accurate though. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

      I added the "Order Number" identifier so the image can be easily found if the search times out. The other images still appear to be in the article? Эlcobbola _talk 22:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

      I have a horrible habit of forgetting to hit the save button after going down the checklist at a nomination :p Done now. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - article (i.e. list) looks good on the image front (aside from Image:Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin.jpg, which is still hanging around); I'll see whether I can find time tonight to locate some verifiably-sourced replacements. Эlcobbola _talk 22:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Now removed. And thanks for the offer to find replacements. Any efforts in this regard would be greatly appreciated. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Nit-picky issue, but some of the "rationale" items have periods at the end of the sentences, and others don't. I'd prefer to see consistency. Considering that all of the rationales are quotations, they should all end with a period. Also too bad not every woman has a photo. Otherwise it looks good. Ariel♥Gold 01:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The only "rationale" items with periods are the Peace Prize laureates who don't have quotes, and the punctuation is there so I can have something separating the reference and the word. All quoted items don't have a period because the official site gives it without a period also. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Can't see any problem. Good work —Chris! _ct 19:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 21:23, 28 October 2008 [2].

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List of Nobel Laureates in Chemistry

This is a list I've been working on for a couple of days, and I would like to see the lists of laureates for all six Nobel prizes become FLs. The winner of this award was announced this morning, so there may still be some stability concerns, but I don't think it'll be so much that it will be uncontrollable. As always, concerns will be addressed by me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Support I have no objection, looks good to me. Cannibaloki 22:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I left from this FLC, because a support with less than 30 minutes without any objection is irrelevant, sorry. Cannibaloki 23:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose (reluctantly) until the edit-warring over the nationality over one of the 2008 prize-winners is sorted out. Bencherlite^Talk 23:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sigh, you are right, I thought that that was over because one editor readded American. Why can't people accept that he is Japanese-American? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a classic WP:V case in which Scorpion is in the right. The people who are edit warring with him are also anons and very new contributors, so I wouldn't call the article unstable as it stands. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is more than possible that they just made a mistake by solely calling him an American because another section in the Nobel website does confirm that he was born in Japan, which is why I allowed both to be listed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Support. If the nationality column is going to cause that many problems, then removal is probably for the best. Bencherlite^Talk 07:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Overlinking in the "Countries" column.
  • I'll work on that tomorrow.
• Current refs 112 and 113 are missing info (title, accessdate, publisher).
• Current refs 114 and 115 need access dates.
  • Don't take any of those refs seriously right now. They'll be gone tomorrow.
• "Three women have won the prize, Marie Curie, Irène Joliot-Curie (1935) and Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin (1964)." I think the first comma should be a colon.
  • Done.
• Could the "Citation" column be renamed to something like "Reason"?
  • Done
• Some images have obsolete Public Domain tags. I recommend asking an experienced image reviewer to look over the images to make sure everything is as it should be.
• "As of 2007, the Prize in Chemistry has been awarded to 150 individuals." This figure is wrong according to this source: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/
  • That figure hasn't been updated for 2008 yet (it was only announced this morning). It is updated now.
• "Scientists from the United States have won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry 59 times, more than any nation"—Should be "any other nation".
  • Done.

Dabomb87 (talk) 02:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

A few notes

• "Reason" is way to colloquial for this topic. Find a better word please.
  • "Citation", the original header, was not the proper word. Would "Rationale" do? Dabomb87 (talk) 12:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I agree, done.
• perhaps gray-out the "not awarded" years
• you probably want to add a note to each unawarded year explaining what happened
  • I'm actually not sure. My guess would be the various wars, but I couldn't find a source on the official website.
• is is possible to thin-out the lines between the winners of the same year, or thicken the other lines?
  • I don't think so.
• double check articles for more portraits. I randomly checked Alder and I saw he has a picture on his page
  • It's a fair use image. I checked the page for every single person and included all of the free images I could find (except the ones where there is more than one person)
• not necessary, but would be nice to have flags by the country entries.
  • I disagree, because it might be considered flagcruft.

Nergaal (talk) 07:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.nndb.com/
• Current refs 112 and 113 are just numbered links. they need formatted titles, publishers and last access dates at the very least.
• Current refs 114 and 115 are lacking last acccess dates.

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Like I mentioned above, those will be gone soon. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment Prose is generally good. "There have been eight years in which it has not been awarded." is really, really awkward, though and should be rewritten, but I can't think of an alternative at the moment. Gary King (talk) 21:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Err, sorry (and don't blame Scorpion), that was me trying to get away from "It has not been awarded eight times", which was much worse! Bencherlite^Talk 21:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

[3] Gary King (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought of that, but was trying to avoid multiple uses of "the Prize in Chemistry". Hey-ho, no preference anymore. Bencherlite^Talk 21:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose unless the meaning of the country column becomes crystal clear and the country assignments are attributed to reliable sources. This issue was discussed extensively at Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry but I don't think it reached a clear conclusion. Is it place of birth, nationality at time of award, nationality during the discovery, nationality at time of death? What about dual citizenships? To give just one example with which I am familiar, consider Mario Molina. The list says Mexico, while the reference (Nobel Foundation) says USA. The truth is that he was born in Mexico, moved to the US, conducted his research there, acquired the American nationality, losing the Mexican nationality in the process, got the Nobel Prize, and later re-acquired the Mexican nationality because there were constitutional reforms in Mexico that allowed him to have dual citizenship. A major problem with cases like this is that unless the country assignments are rock-solid the article can never be stable; there is always be a bit of nationalistic revert-warring because everyone wants to believe that a Nobel Prize "belongs" to their country even if it is because the laureate's grandfather was a citizen. --Itub (talk) 06:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • The column has been removed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Removed? Then the list is not comprehensive. All the other lists have a "country" column, and lots of sources give a nationality or country. Removing it merely because it is (sometimes) disputed is avoiding the problem. See List of Nobel laureates by country for one attempt to address the issue. The "always be a bit of nationalistic revert-warring" argument from Itub also misses the point. Letting nationalistic revert-warring shape the content (or lack of content) of an article is unacceptable. Removing the content merely to meet a "stability" criterion is not the right approach. Don't get me wrong. I want to see lists like this featured as well, and I'm working on Royal Medal (and came here to see what the requirements were for lists like this), but like it or not, "where are they from" is a question people ask about other people. Pick an easily sourced criterion and stick to it, is my opinion, with footnotes explaining complicated cases like Molina. Carcharoth (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
      • See Talk:List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#How_this_list_works for one approach. Carcharoth (talk) 13:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
        • My point was not that the list needed to be removed, and in fact I think that removing it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. My point is that the list needs to be "bulletproof": the definition of the country column needs to be stated explicitly and followed consistently. Going by the Nobel Foundation seems like the best course of action, but if someone wants to clarify the nuances in specific cases, that can be done in a footnote, citing appropriate sources. Mario Molina was not the only laureate where there was disagreement between our list and the Nobel Foundation: we had Aaron Klug as South Africa/UK, but nobelprize.org has him as United Kingdom, with a note saying "born in Lithuania". We had George Olah as Hungary/United States, but nobelprize.org has him as USA with a note saying "born in Hungary"), which is not quite the same IMHO. I think that particularly the people that were listed with more than one nationality need to be double-checked. These examples come from just checking a few "suspicious" cases, but in order for this to be featured I'd need to be reassured that someone really went through every single line and checked that it has the right country. --Itub (talk) 16:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

However, Shimomura's case (Chemistry laureate 2008) really created a bit of trouble, since even the website of the Nobel committee reports his Japanese citizenship while affiliating his award with the US and merely mentioning Japan as his place of birth. So far, I assumed (without making the guideline depend on this assumption) that the award was always affiliated with the citizenship of the laureate. Currently, I am in correspondence with people in charge of the official website to learn more about their rationale.

Bottom line: I think, it is possible to handle the country issue by refraining any kind of original research and simply relying on the decision published by the Nobel committee. The fact that it is highly disputed shows that this information (among others) is of high interest to our readers and I think it would add value to this list here as well.

Unfortunately, I am the only editor really taking care of this list. But before you accuse me of ownership, please join me and put it on your watch list. Tomeasy _{T C} 16:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, during one of the discussions in one of the Nobel Prize talk pages (I don't remember which), someone pointed out that, according to the printed books published by the Nobel Foundation about the Prizes, the country they listed was the country of residence at the time of the award. Can anyone verify that? --Itub (talk) 16:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

This is pretty much in line with the first answer I received from the communication officer responsible for the website. However, it is not yet a final answer, as I think I will react and show some counter examples. Anyway, here is their first email to me:

“ Dear Thomas (and cc to Ulrika Royen, Senior Editor at the Nobel Foundation, and Fredrik All, the RSAS)

thanks for your prompt reaction on the citizenship of Prof. Shimomura. He is a Japanese citizen, as mentioned in the press release from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, who awards the Nobel Prize in Chemistry (as well as The Nobel Prize in Physics and The Prize in Economic Sciences, which will be announced tomorrow Monday 13 October at 1 pm Swedish time). However, at the website of the Nobel Foundation (http://nobelprize.org) I believe there is a routine to first mention the country where the Laureate is affiliated to at present (please correct me here if I am wrong, Ulrika), and hence, shows USA as the country connected to Shimomura.

I hope this clarifies things for you! Otherwise please contact us again. Erik

Erik Huss Kommunikatör med pressansvar / Communications Officer, media contacts Kungl. Vetenskapsakademien (KVA) / Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences [address and other details redacted]

”

However, I am convinced that whatever is their rationale we are doing well in simply reporting their decision. We do so in terms of the name of the laureate (obviously), but why should we do differently for the country? The are the awarding authority and they have made their decision certainly not unconsciously. Why should we try to invent a fairer ruling then they. Tomeasy _{T C} 16:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Might want to redact the e-mail and other details above. In fact I've done that. Your mention of official books stirred memories in me of a series of books I think the Nobel Foundation publishes every year (and have done, I think, since the beginning). The early ones are now collectors items and very expensive! While looking for those, I found this. Does anyone here have that? Ah, found what I was really looking for: [4] It's called Les Prix Nobel: "Since 1901 the Nobel Foundation has annually published a series of yearbooks, Les Prix Nobel, containing reports from the Nobel Prize Award Ceremonies in Stockholm and Oslo, as well as the biographies and Nobel Lectures of the Nobel Laureates. Up to 1988, the texts were published in the language in which they were presented. Since then the material in Les Prix Nobel has been mostly in English." We don't have an article on that, and we don't mention them in our article. I found one online : 1907. Only $10. The 1998 one is $165. Ah, here we go, a nearly full collection of the early numbers for only $3000. A snip! :-) Sorry, um, we were talking about nationalities. If someone has access to the printed book, and can add what that says for a particular year, fine. Otherwise, as Tomeasy says, go with the official website. That's what I do with names of prizewinners, though you'd be surprised how often there are typos on websites (the Royal Society's official page for some of its prize winners has horrendous typos, shown up by the official documentation accessed on other pages, which show clearly that one or other spelling is wrong...). Carcharoth (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, what do you mean by "Might want to redact the e-mail and other details above"? Do you ask me to do something with my above posts? Tomeasy _{T C} 07:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at my edit here. I removed the e-mail address and postal address. The e-mail address in particular, if you leave it visible on an internet page, can be harvested by spam robots looking for e-mail addresses to send spam to. So I thought it best to remove it. It's not important, though, really. What is needed here is to help out with, or review, List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry. Maybe you, as someone who has worked on a similar list, could add some advice or comments down below in a new post, to help get this list to featured standards? Carcharoth (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I will be more careful on what to display in the future.

From my experience I think it is possible to include country data in an acceptably stable way. IMO this can best be done by strictly relying on the Nobel website. Tomeasy _{T C} 06:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Okay, I have readded the countries and I will try and match all of them up with the Nobel website. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Let me know if you need any help. It's a long list. Carcharoth (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm done already, I think everything now matches the website. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Looks good. I'll add some comments below. Carcharoth (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Further comments added after those my Scorpion0422.

Comments - a few thoughts, not all actionable, but hopefully all relevant:

• (1) Is it possible to say why there were no awards in those eight non-award years?
  • Well, my best guess is the wars, but I haven't yet found a source for that.
    • OK. Would still like to see it, but won't oppose just for this.
• (2) Is it possible to make the references section a bit less repetitive? I realise the links are all to different pages, but is it not possible to avoid the repetition of "The Nobel Prize in Chemistry" all the way down the references list?
  • • minor concern - won't oppose for this
• (3) Have the ones without pictures been checked for free pictures?
  • Yep, I checked every single page for free images, and the ones there are the ones I found. The only free images I didn't include are ones where there were other non-winners in the image.
    • resolved
• (4) Have all the name links been checked to make sure they go to the right articles? I only ask this because I tidy up a fair amount of backwater award lists, and it is amazing how often redlinks turn blue because someone creates an article on a politician with the same name. Less likely to happen with a Nobel laureate, but it would be embarassing if it did.
  • Yes, while I was looking for images, I also corrected the links. They should all (or at least, 99% of them) go to the correct pages.
    • I did some checking as well: resolved
• (5) As someone said above, all the images need checking for correct licenses and stuff like that.
  • pending
• (6) Would be nice to try and crop some of the pictures (e.g. Dudley R. Herschbach) to get them all as "head-and-shoulders", but that's a minor concern, really. More important to try and get photos for the missing ones (though that will take a long time).
  • • minor concern - won't oppose for this.
• (7) Country: Molina one hasn't been footnoted as mentioned above. I think there really needs to be some sort of footnote to say what source you are using for the countries - I suggest a footnote attached to the "Country" header. See what I did at Frieze of Parnassus.
  • I agree and I have added one.
    • Thanks. resolved
• (8) Is the text of the names (regardless of where they point to and what the middle names are and so on) as stated on the offical website? If not, it should, as you need to report what name they are recorded as receiving the award under.
  • They should all match the Nobel website.
    • resolved
• (9) Finally, the links in the "rationale" column (is 'rationale' the right word?) - there are reasons to not normally link within quotations. This might be an exception, it might not. I don't want to get into a big debate about it, as I actually think linking in quotations is OK in this sort of context, but I wanted to make sure the point was raised. See Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Quotation and Wikipedia talk:Only make links that are relevant to the context/Archive 5 and Wikipedia talk:Quotations should not contain wikilinks if you really want the gory details. The point is that you have to be absolutely 100% sure when you link something that you have got the link right. Also, some of the linking could be improved: 1913: "For his work on the linkage of atoms in molecules" - if you know exactly what this linkage was, then you could link to it. I went to the Alfred Werner article, and there are possibilities such as coordination chemistry. Of course, go too far, and you risk getting it wrong. But if you can find sources to back up a column of "background" notes (e.g. a biography that says explicitly that the Nobel was for his work on coordination chemistry), then you could put all the links there, and not in the quotes. Obviously that would be a lot of work, but it's something someone could do one day. One final example, for 2003, "water channels" has been linked to aquaporin. I'm sure that is correct, but if someone questions that, do you have a source?
  • • major concern - won't be supporting unless this is resolved. See my comments to Scorpion here. I've also added a few links to the article to demonstrate my concerns. See here.
      • I agree that adding a column called "see also", "main article", or "further reading" is a good idea. It would avoid the controversial practice of linking within a quote and would allows us to link clearly to a more appropriate target than the quote itself allows (for example, linking Nernst to the third law of thermodynamics rather than thermochemistry). In most cases a single link per laureate or even per year should be enough. As for adding a "details" column or a "year of discovery", I think it would be too much (a can of worms, Pandora's box, or whatever your favorite metaphor is ;-). --Itub (talk) 12:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• (10) When the prize has been shared, can you say in what proportions. If the shares have always been equal, say that at the top. If there are cases of a three-way split going: 50:25:25, then you'd need to say that.
  • I was going to mention that, but I decided not to because this is just a list of winners. Such information belongs in the main Nobel Prize in Chemistry page.
    • Fair enough. resolved

Hope that was of some help! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Indeed it was. Thanks a lot for the review. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I've updated my comments. The only outstanding concerns for me are the images (unfortunately the image copyright desk aren't taking the carrot here), the inaccurate quotes (see below) and the issue of linking in the citation/rationale column. Carcharoth (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support.Changed to Neutral. My doubts expressed above regarding the accuracy of the country column have been addressed, so I can support now. That said, I still recommend adding a note somewhere stating where the country data came from so that there is no doubt. That way, if someone changes an entry it can be reverted more confidently. --Itub (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC) Changed to Neutral because there are many still unaddressed concerns that I hadn't thought of before... --Itub (talk) 16:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Images: Please get someone to check their license, sourcing, etc. I will support as soon as they have been checked. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Every image has a free license, I checked all of them myself. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Ah, but have you checked that the licenses are correct? Carcharoth (talk) 01:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • This will take a while...
    • Image:Vant Hoff.jpg - no author information (common with old pictures like this). Claim of "PD by age (Van 't Hoff passed away in 1911)" - that's not strictly the right claim to make. To make a definite decision, you need author information, date of photograph, date of first publication, and current copyright owner. Unfortunately, for old picture, you often lack all four bits of information. For pictures that were used in the Nobel Foundation's yearbook (Les Prix Nobel), you will know the year of publication. Then its a matter of deciding whether pre-1923 hence PD-US applies, or not. If it was published in Europe, and not the USA, things could be complicated. The important thing, though, is to have definite proximate sources (book they were scanned from or website they were downloaded from), and to judge whether there are problems there. For this one, for example, this page is given as the source, a page from the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Science. But if you look at the Nobel web page, they are using the same picture! And they say "Photos: Copyright © The Nobel Foundation". Now, that could just be a generic copyright warning intended to cover all the photos, or it could mean that they have a collection of photos taken at the time (maybe they hire a photographer to take photos of the Laureates), and they do own the copyright. But then some other limit on the copyright would kick in. Quite what, I don't know.
    • Image:Hermann Emil Fischer.jpg has no source information here or at the German Wikipedia, but again the picture on the Nobel Foundation's website is the same one, or a copy of the same one (that can make a difference).
    • Image:Arrhenius2.jpg has no source information here or at the German Wikipedia.
      • Again, for both of these, it is not surprising that the original photographer is not recorded, but the proximate source - where the person uploading it in 2004 to the German Wikipedia got it from, is technically needed.
    • I'll stop there. There are hundreds of old pictures like this all over Wikipedia. Uploaded years ago when sourcing was not insisted upon, presumably published before 1923 (hence PD in the USA), but with no precise publication information (location and publication), and being taken so long ago that the records of who took the photos are probably lost. Though if the Nobel Foundation confirm they have full provenance of all the photos in their collection, and claim exclusive copyright, then it is best to beleive them. I personally would ask them that direct, rather than rely on a generic copyright notice on their website.
    • Later on, as you get into the US ones, you get ones like Image:Seaborg Lab Portrait.jpg and Image:Christian B. Anfinsen, NIH portrait, 1969.jpg, which are absolutely fine.
    • Nearing the present day, we find Image:Roger.Kornberg.JPG, which is a snapshot taken by a colleague and uploaded under a free license. Again, no problem.
  • Anyway, that gives some idea of what is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 01:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
• Update I have gone through and removed all of the images that I thought met the above criteria. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • It seems someone reverted you... I would, actually, ask around the image-savvy people (I'm supposed to be one of them, but I would suggest getting some more opinions on this - with images from a range spanning over 100 years, you need people who really can give authoratative opinions. Have you tried Wikipedia:Media copyright questions? You could also try a different approach: instead of pictures for every person that has one (requiring you to check loads of pictures), a selection of photos of laureates, as seen at List of Wranglers of the University of Cambridge, could be one way to go. That would definitely avoid the distortion that comes from not having pictures for everyone in the list. Carcharoth (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Left a question myself. See here. Hopefully, if people respond there, a more definitive answer should be forthcoming. Carcharoth (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Update on images I found someone at Commons to help with the images. See commons:User talk:Nard the Bard#Image check request. Not sure if he will come here or we go there. I'll try and keep things updated. Carcharoth (talk) 20:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Quotes are inacccurate - I've been checking a couple of quotes from the Nobel website for the citations given as the reason for the awards, and some of them are not fully quoted, or are quoted wrong:
  • 1901
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of the extraordinary services he has rendered by the discovery of the laws of chemical dynamics and osmotic pressure in solutions"
    • Article: "for his discovery of the laws of chemical dynamics and osmotic pressure in solutions"
  • 1902
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of the extraordinary services he has rendered by his work on sugar and purine syntheses"
    • Article: "for his work on sugar and purine syntheses"
  • 1903
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of the extraordinary services he has rendered to the advancement of chemistry by his electrolytic theory of dissociation"
    • Article: "for his electrolytic theory of dissociation"
  • 1904
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of his services in the discovery of the inert gaseous elements in air, and his determination of their place in the periodic system"
    • Article: "for his discovery of the inert gaseous elements in air, and his determination of their place in the periodic system"
  • 1905
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of his services in the advancement of organic chemistry and the chemical industry, through his work on organic dyes and hydroaromatic compounds"
    • Article: "for his work on organic dyes and hydroaromatic compounds"
  • 1906
    • Nobel website: "in recognition of the great services rendered by him in his investigation and isolation of the element fluorine, and for the adoption in the service of science of the electric furnace called after him"
    • Article: "for his investigation and isolation of the element fluorine, and for the electric furnace named after him"

The later ones seem OK, but 1935 and 1936 are inaccurate quotes as well. Haven't checked all of them, but I think they do all need to be checked to see that we have quoted the citation correctly. Carcharoth (talk) 10:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

These quotes are basically truncating the verbosity about the recognition of great services and such and adding one or two words at the beginning to clarify. All that is needed to fix them is to put "for his" in brackets. --Itub (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, that and some misquotes, but Scorpion is on this, so it should be dealt with soon. Carcharoth (talk) 20:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, from what I did up to 1925 here, I see that Scorpion and I differ over what exactly to quote. I think it would be easier to do a full quote for all the entires. Carcharoth (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm done matching the quotes to the Nobel website. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I haven't checked the quotes (I'm sure they are OK now), but I have checked the names, the order, the countries, all match the Nobel website. So that's fine. There are still a few links I'd like to see added to the rationale column, and there should be a note for each column explaining that the names are from the website, the countries are from the website, and the rationales are from the website, but the links are to our articles on the scientists and the relevant chemistry articles. Oh, and the website is run by the "Nobel Foundation", not by the "Nobel Prize" (see note A). What difficult to justify is the links to the countries. By all means have the countries there, but these are not good links to have. Almost no readers at all will ever want to click from this sort of article to read a long article about a particular country. At most, links to particular countries from the lead section, but I think linking countries from the table dilutes the links that are really relevant. Carcharoth (talk) 05:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• Unwikilink "anniversary" in the first paragraph.
  • Done.
• In the very last sentence of the lede, there are two instances of "the Prize in Chemistry". Nowhere else in the lede is it referred to it that way, and it's jarring - it's either "the prize" or "the Nobel Prize in Chemistry".
  • Done
• The list should be sortable. The benefits, IMO, are pretty strong, but there would have to be a fairly major overhaul to do it. For instance, all the names should be entered using {{sortname}}. Also, the images will need to have their own column header. See List of Vice Presidents of the United States for an example of how to accomplish this. Also, over-link the "Country" column, since re-sorting may make the "first" not be linked - see the fourth entry here. For the record, neither "Rationale" nor the new "Image" column should be sortable - add class="unsortable" to that header. I'm not sure what to do about duplicating the "Rationale" column for every recipient.
  • I actually prefer keeping it the way it is. I prefer having the image column without its own header, and many years have had multiple winners and some who won for the same thing. Making every single winner have its own individual line would make things a lot more confusing and thus it would be harder to pick out such instances. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I still think the list should be sortable. Given that only 1/3 of the years (38) were "duplicate" years, I think the benefit of being able to sort by name, year, and country outweighs the "duplicates" issue.

Duplicating 1/3 of the years is a lot, one would have to repeat the same summaries, which would lead to a lot of unnecessary repitition. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Sortable or not, there's a consistency discrepancy (<grin>) between 1905 (2 recipients on one line) and 1912 (each recipient gets their own line).
  • 1905 is one guy. Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf von Baeyer just has a very long name. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
    • The wikilink is only to "Adolf von Baeyer", which confused me - I was sure "Johann Friedrich Wilhelm" was someone else. Withdrawn :)
• Instead of having "Laureates by country" in the "See Also" section, could you add that to the "Nobel Prizes" footer template?
  • Done.
• There must be a discussion somewhere about the capitalization of "Laureate". This list doesn't capitalize any of them, but the corresponding article Nobel Prize in Chemistry seems to capitalize it when following Nobel - as in "Nobel Laureate" - and not capitalize it when it's standing alone - as in "23 laureates".
• Because of the above, I think the list should be renamed "List of Nobel Laureates in Chemistry" - capital "L".
  • Okay, done.
• Oppose due to work necessary. Will revisit. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I have responded to all of your concerns. Thanks for the review. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose I still think it should be sortable. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Adding value - one problem, though maybe it is not really a problem, is that we seem to be just parroting the Nobel website and not adding anything of value. The only added value I see in our article is the lead section (which is fine), the links to our articles on the scientists (not all those articles are in great shape, but that's not really actionable here), and the links in the "rationale" column. The latter is really the only thing of value we are adding apart from the links to the scientist articles. The "country" information, while useful, is not something you would really click on. As it is, the Nobel website provides more information (birth year, death year, and university affiliation). One thing we could provide, if someone looks up the date of the ceremony each year, is the age of the laureates at the time they received their award. That is something that the Nobel website does not provide. We could also provide the titles and dates of their Nobel lectures: e.g. "May 19, 1927 - The Ultracentrifuge"; "December 12, 1928 - The Chemistry of the Bile Acids"; "May 23, 1930 - Fermentation of Sugars and Fermentative Enzymes"; "December 12, 1929 - The Function of Phosphate in Alcoholic Fermentation". Note that the date of the presentation ceremony is usually different from the date of the Nobel Lecture. Carcharoth (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• IMO, the age of the laureate delves into WP:NOT#INFO territory, and I think it's a bit trivial. University affiliation isn't really applicable because so many universities have differing levels of what constitutes an "affiliated" laureate (take the University of Chicago, which considers any laureate that entered its doors to be an affiliated laureate to the University of California, Santa Barbara, which only considers faculty members that did research for their Nobel Prize while at the university to be affiliated laureate) and several universities can have claims to a single laureate. Birth/death year is visible for someone looking into the respective articles of the laureates, and would probably only be useful if we made the table sortable, but that's an undesirable option because it introduces a ton of redundancies into the table (years need to be repeated, half the rationale column would be repeats). As it stands, I think the table's fine, but I'm open to ideas on the matter. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 08:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• The Nobel website people disagree. They give birth year, death year and university at the time of the award, for each Laureate. What reason is there for them to do things one way, and for us to do things a different way? At the moment, we've copied the wording for the names, for the countries, and for the rationale, and added value with links to our articles. Why leave out the rest of what they provide, and why stop short of extending the information provided to add value (i.e. add age at time of award, Nobel Lecture title, and institution at time of the award)? The institution articles are at least more relevant than the country articles. See also here. As for age of the Laureates, it seems that the readers of the Nobel website (and presumably the readers of Wikipedia) disagree: one of the frequently asked questions here is: "Who is the youngest ever to receive a Nobel Prize, and who is the oldest?" Followed by four tables as answers. Admittedly, this goes a bit far in terms of analysis, but this is interesting. My point is that "NOT INFO" shouldn't ride roughshod over the sort of questions that readers ask. At the moment, the Nobel website is still what I would use to read about the Nobel laureates, rather than Wikipedia. The biographies they provide are often better than ours. The photos are nearly always better (and more relevant to the period when the award was won), and the lists are better as well (more information). Getting a balance between just copying what they say and providing links to articles, as compared with extending the format and layout and providing something different, is a difficult one. Most websites do little more than provide a list of winners. The Nobel website is a lot different in that respect. Carcharoth (talk) 05:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Because we aren't the Nobel website. This isn't a competition to outdo the Nobel website in what we can provide, it's to ensure that we provide an encyclopedic representation of the subject. Your comparisons are also well, off. You ideally should be comparing our present list to this, and not to the entire Nobel website. If we want to venture there, we list by university affiliation (although that list does need heavy cleanup), we have individual articles on every single laureate, and whatnot. The "who is the youngest/oldest laureate" (as well as most of the stuff in that FAQ) is trivia. The photo comparison is also pure nonsense. They obviously have better photos because they took official photographs of the laureate and/or took them from an official source. We have to rely on free images. Go figure which one has higher quality. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 08:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• You did note the point where I said we should go beyond what the Nobel website provide, right? I know we are not trying to outdo them or anything like that, but if I think the Nobel website is a better resource for people wanting to read about Nobel laureates, I seem to have two options: (1) suggest ways to improve our coverage (but it seems my suggestions are being rejected); or (2) suggest people go and read the Nobel website. Have a look at this and then see how much of that is covered at Nobel Prize. As for "we have individual articles on every single laureate" - have you actually done what I did yesterday and looked at some of our articles on Nobel laureates? Some are shockingly poor in their coverage (Robert Curl, for example). The thing about oldest/youngest laureate is not trivia (this might be your opinion, but that does not mean that it is indeed trivia) - that FAQ also includes a list of women who have won a Nobel Prize - will you say that is trivia as well? One of the reasons we can't automatically generate a list of women who have won Nobel Prizes is because we don't tag our biographical articles to show which are about men and which are about women. If we did, we could cross-reference "Nobel laureates" with "Women" and get such a list automatically. As for the photos, yes, freely-licensed pictures are often of poorer quality and less specific (mostly of them looking old and doddery, not when they did their work). I consider that a big weakness of the free encyclopedia model, and I will continue to point this out whenever I think the "free" mission is impeding the aim of quality encyclopedic coverage. Carcharoth (talk) 23:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Going "beyond" implies exceeding or providing a better model. Yes, I've looked at those laureates articles. Most of them are exceedingly poor. I don't see in the slightest how that is relevant to this FLC. The oldest/youngest comment is trivia for the purposes of this list. Inclusion is maybe appropriate for the List of Nobel Laureates (as in a brief comment in the lead), but assuredly not here. And if you haven't noticed, we have a List of female Nobel Laureates. And for the free encyclopedia model, you aren't going to get any fundamental changes to our image use policy, so I don't see what the point of complaining about that here is. I'm not saying your suggestions are bad. Most of them simply aren't related or appropriate for this list specifically. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 04:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• Don't want to spend too long on this subthread (if you could comment on what I wrote below, that would be really appreciated), but when I look at lists, I do try and assess the quality of the articles linked from the list. That is implicit in the featured list criterion that mentions that redlinks should be minimal (there is a spectrum going all the way from redlinks to featured articles). Presumably if all the Nobel Laureates were stubs giving only name, place and dates of birth and death, and that they won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in such and such a year, then I think that would be a concern. Obviously, many of the Nobel Laureates have excellent articles, and for me personally, there are enough OK-to-good quality articles there to ensure that the list is functioning as a gateway to at least some good content. But I think a brief assessment of the quality of the articles linked should be at least one of the things looked at, even if only one of the minor things. Dropping the age thing for now. List of female Nobel Laureates is good. One reason I wasn't aware of that is that it is not in Template:Nobel Prizes. Would you consider adding it there? Finally, about the image use policy, you said: "you aren't going to get any fundamental changes to our image use policy" - you have completely misunderstood me. I'm not trying to get the policy changed, and neither am I complaining about the policy. What I am pointing out is that there are better, non-free images, and that I think we should point our readers in the direction of those images. If the Nobel website has good-quality pictures of all the Laureates, and we don't, what is wrong with telling the readers that there are better images "over there"? That is what I have done, and that is all I intend to do. Someone else will have to deal with choosing the best quality pictures in how ever many years it will be before those pictures become public domain. But I can assure you that the current "free" pictures that are of low-quality will not be chosen ahead of the better quality ones that fall into the public domain in 70 or 80 years or whatever. The low-quality freely licensed pictures are only a stopgap measure until better public domain ones become available with the passage of time. Carcharoth (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• Update - I've just spent far too long (several hours) going through every single "rationale" entry (lists of over 150 people are a bit of a problem in terms of the amount of work needed to review and work on them...) and looking for the best links and removing generalised overlinking, and creating redirects where needed. Plus a few other changes that I'll mention below. The end result is this version here. The changes can be seen here:
  • (1) Name format changes here
  • (2) Name order changes here
  • (3) Country name changes here
  • (4) Every single quote checked and changes needed made here
  • (5) Added note to explain function of each column here:

    Notes: A. The form and spelling of the names in the name column is according to nobelprize.org, the official website of the Nobel Foundation. Alternative spellings and name forms, where they exist, are given at the articles linked from this column. Where available, an image of each Nobel Laureate is provided. For the official pictures provided by the Nobel Foundation, see the pages for each Nobel Laureate at nobelprize.org. B. The information in the country column is according to nobelprize.org, the official website of the Nobel Foundation. This information may not necessarily reflect the recipient's birthplace or citizenship. C. The citation for each awards is quoted (not always in full) from nobelprize.org, the official website of the Nobel Foundation. The links in this column are to articles on the areas of chemistry for which the awards were presented. The links are intended as a guide and explanation, but for a full account of the work done by each Nobel Laureate, please see the biography article linked from the name column.

    Hopefully that is OK.
  • (6) Given that the countries we state are what is on the nobelprize.org website, I made this change and clarified the reference to make clear that he is a Japanese citizen (we can't really make an exception for anyone in that column).
  • (7) As I said above, I changed and added many links to the rationale column. I would have preferred to have these as a separate column, but as all the linking in the rationales needed checking (and some were wrong, and now corrected), I thought I'd add the links anyway. This may be the last sticking point (I can't really support now, as I've done too much work on the article, but I'm getting to the stage where I would be happy to support if I hadn't worked on it, if that makes sense). What I suggest is one of the following:
    • (a) Delink everything in the rationale column
    • (b) Have a separate column for relevant links
    • (c) Pipe links within the quotes
  • The current state of the list is (c).
  • (8) Some examples of articles I've linked that weren't linked from this list before: Octahedral molecular geometry, Haber process, Ultracentrifuge, Zymase, Bergius process, Langmuir–Blodgett film, Langmuir equation, Debye relaxation, Debye-Waller factor, AIV fodder, Tropinone, Magnetic refrigeration, Oxytocin, Calvin cycle, Ziegler–Natta catalyst, Molecular orbital theory, Flash photolysis, Radical (chemistry), Organometallic chemistry, Organoborane, Wittig reaction, Woodward–Hoffmann rules, Electron crystallography, Inner sphere electron transfer, Direct methods (crystallography), Host-guest chemistry, Ribozyme, Retrosynthetic analysis, Marcus theory, ATP synthase, GAUSSIAN, Sharpless asymmetric dihydroxylation, Electrospray ionization, Soft laser desorption, Protein nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy.
  • (9) There were two redlinks, which I will try and do stubs for soon: Crossed molecular beams and Infrared chemiluminescence.
• That's all, I think. Sorry for taking so long, but each time something comes up, the sheer size of the list makes it difficult to do the checking and linking and reviewing and double-checking for 153 separate people. Incidentally, some of the Nobel Laureate articles are still in a sorry state. See Stanford Moore and William Howard Stein for example. Anyway, I hope Scorpion will be OK with these changes. I'm practically done here, apart from getting a few more opinions on the issue of linking within quotations versus no linking versus a separate column. The 5 or 6 hours I spent on finding the links above will end up somewhere on Wikipedia, even if not in this list, so if the verdict is to delink all the quotes, suggestions as to where I could use those links would be appreciated. Carcharoth (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Update: there is a discussion about linking in quotes at WT:MOSLINK. See here. Carcharoth (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Milwaukee Brewers Opening Day starting pitchers

This list was modeled after List of Washington Nationals Opening Day starting pitchers, which was recently promoted as a featured list. In addition to the same thorough sourcing as the previous article, this new article includes a separate table summarizing the starting pitchers and their record of wins and losses. Alansohn (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - The Brewers made the playoffs this year, so they now have three appearances, not two. Might want to add that to the table as well. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Done A mind-boggling oversight that has been corrected. Alansohn (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Change the all-cap title for ref #10 to sentence-case or title-case.
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 20:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Done Case was changed to Title Case. Alansohn (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Define what the terms Starts and Winning % mean. - Done linked to relevant articles to explain terms.
• "The Brewers' Opening Day starting pitchers' combined home record is 4 wins and 2 losses, and their away record 10 wins and 10 losses." Add is after "record". - Done
• "The Brewers advanced to the playoffs on three occasions, in 1981, 1982 and 2008." First comma should be a colon. - Done
• "(with one ending in a tie)"-->(one ended in a tie) - Done
• "The Pilots"-->The Pilots'. - Done
• The caption of the first image should not have a period. - Done
• "Marty Pattin and Mike Caldwell also have perfect records, with both winning each of their two starts."-->Marty Pattin and Mike Caldwell also have perfect records,; both won each of their two starts. - Done
• "With the team's move to Milwaukee in 1970, Lew Krausse Jr. was charged with the loss in a game at Milwaukee County Stadium vs. the Angels." "With"-->After. - Done
• "Opening Day starting pitchers listed in descending order by the number of Opening Day starts for the Brewers:" Make this a complete sentence: "Opening Day starting pitchers are listed in descending order by the number of Opening Day starts for the Brewers." - Done
• "In the 2008 season, Ben Sheets was the Opening Starter in a no-decision, while Yovani Gallardo started and lost the first game of the 2008 National League Division Series which was won by the Philadelphia Phillies in four games."-->In the 2008 season, Ben Sheets was the Opening Starter in a no-decision; Yovani Gallardo started and lost the first game of the 2008 National League Division Series, which was won by the Philadelphia Phillies in four games. - Done
• I like the pitchers tables. Are you going to put them for all the Opening Day team articles? - Reply I will be adding them to new articles and then retrofitting them to existing ones. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Review

• With the team's move to Milwaukee in 1970, Lew Krausse Jr. was charged with the loss in a game at Milwaukee County Stadium vs. the Angels. - "was charged." So what does this mean? They accused him of it or what? - Reply an old baseball colloquialism, but the term appears in multiple Wikipedia articles, including Loss (baseball).
• Steve Woodard received a rather unusual no-decision in 2000, when the team's Opening Day game against the Cincinnati Reds was called in the sixth inning due to rain, with the score tied at 3. This was the first Opening Day tie game since 1965.[7] - "rather" is not adhering to a Neutral POV. - Done
• In a special format created for that season, the Brewers were the second-half champion and lost the AL Division Series to the first-half champion New York Yankees in five games. - would benefit having "New York Yankees" in between commas. - Done
• In the 2008 season, Ben Sheets was the Opening Starter in a no-decision, while Yovani Gallardo started and lost the first game of the 2008 National League Division Series which was won by the Philadelphia Phillies in four games. - comma after series. - Done
• The final score should be in a {{sort}} template. I see it as having the score to the left in the template, since that is what the table sorts by. - Done
• I would change the Note column to a Ref column. - Done
• The seasons in the "Pitchers" table shouldn't be sortable since there are entries with two series and are separate with a comma. - Reply sorting by this field puts the list in order by the pitcher's first Opening Day start, which is a reasonably meaningful sort sequence.

--S_RX 20:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 00:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Consistent with the other Opening Day starting pitcher lists that are Featured Lists, and better than several. Rlendog (talk) 03:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by David Bowie

Renominating due to lack of consensus at previous FLC (03:15, 20 October 2008) --JD554 (talk) 08:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Mojo Awards" should be "Mojo Awards", if this is the magazine

I didn't use {{Infobox Musician Awards}} due to the many non-music awards in the list, but if I had then other magazine awards such as Billboard Music Awards, NME Awards and Q Awards wouldn't have been italicized. So it makes sense that Mojo Awards shouldn't be either. --JD554 (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "He began his singing career under the name David Bowie in 1966" needs a reference.

I don't think that's a contentious point. But I could always cite his first single under that name, Do Anything You Say, if needs be. --JD554 (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Lead should be longer, especially for someone so prolific

The lead complies with WP:LEAD by summarising the article. This is an article about the awards and nominations he's received and not about David Bowie himself. 14 wins from 40 nominations isn't a huge amount to summarise. --JD554 (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• ""David Bowie, Meg Whitman, Beastie Boys, YouTube Co-founders Prove Less Is More With Five-Word Speeches At The 11th Annual Webby Awards". The Webby Awards (6 June 2007)." – missing access date

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 18:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Comments

• I commented on the one before but you didn't reply to the last one, you need to list some work he did in the lead.

It's a list of awards and nominations, not a filmography or discograhy. Comments on the awards and nominations are in the lead. --JD554 (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay but explain how he won awards for which work.--S_RX 20:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• How did he gain prominence?

That's covered in the main article, David Bowie. --JD554 (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

But in these type of lists it needs to be mentioned, a small prose about it.--S_RX 20:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Overall award count?

It already says at the end of the second paragraph and at the bottom of the infobox. --JD554 (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 21:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I've expanded the lead to cover the awards he's won and how he gained prominence. --JD554 (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL, much better list.--S_RX 21:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "He has won a total of 14 awards from 40 nominations."

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "He has also had a long and innovative presence on the Internet which led to his being awarded a lifetime achievement Webby Award in 2007 for "pushing the boundaries of art and technology with his digital empire"." "long and innovative presence" sounds POV to me.

The citation mentions innovative --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

What about "long"? Dabomb87 (talk) 12:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Removed "long" --JD554 (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "He began his singing career under the name David Bowie in 1966 and won his first award in 1969 when he won an Ivor Novello Award for the song 'Space Oddity'". Comma after "1969".

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The BAFTA Television Awards are awarded by the British Academy of Film and Television Arts and are awarded for the best in television." Best of what in television?

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The MTV Movie Awards are awarded by the television channel MTV for best in film." Best of what in film?

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Inconsistencies: "Bowie has received one award from one nomination." but "Bowie has won one award from one nomination."

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Reference 24 needs a last access date.

Fixed. The problem is with {{Cite press release}}. I've put a note on the discussion page there. --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "One of several annual major music awards shows in the United States, the American Music Awards are awarded for outstanding achievements in the record industry." I don't think the first phrase needs saying.

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• IMBD is not a reliable source. Just get the info from the official websites.

I've found better sources for most of them. However, there isn't a one for the MTV Movie Award nomination, but it is a fact he was nominated that isn't likely to be challenged. --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• In ref 28, TimeWarner needs to have a space.

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• The title at the top of the infobox needs to say something like: "David Bowie awards and nominations".

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Golden Globe Awards are awarded for best in film and television programs by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association in the United States." Does not make grammatical sense.

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Saturn Awards are awarded by the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror Films in the United States to honour the best in science fiction, fantasy and horror film and television." Best what?

Fixed --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Daytime Emmy Awards are awarded by the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences in the United States and are awarded for excellence in daytime television."

Already fixed for previous query --JD554 (talk) 09:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 02:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Matchbox Twenty

Gary King (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in the references. (Allmusic, MTV, etc.)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Comments

• Several of Matchbox Twenty's charts have appeared on the Billboard Hot 100, including "Bent" which peaked at number one, "If You're Gone" which peaked at number five, and "Unwell" which peaked at number five.[2] - charts? do you mean work or singles?
• Gain to prominence?
• Overall count?--S_RX 21:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 21:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - after my review, the articles satisfies WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 20:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Paul Doucette is the band's former drummer." "is"-->was.
• What does Doucette do now? (This is a rhetorical question)
• "They have released four studio albums, all with the Atlantic Records record label" Shouldn't it be "all on the Atlantic Records record label"? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 02:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - SRX covered all of the prose issues. iMatthew (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Maybe you should look this sentence in the lead: "If You're Gone" which peaked at number five, and "Unwell" which peaked at number five.[3]. I think you could change it for: "both peaking at number five" or something like that.
• For the rest of the list, very good job. I though they had more awards, they surely deserve them. Jaespinoza (talk) 04:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, done Gary King (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Gwen Stefani

Gary King (talk) 03:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support I was perusing the recent new pages, and saw this. Boy was I surprised to see that it was also an FL candidate! Looks great, can't think of any critiques. -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 03:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not sure if this can be considered "stable" enough to be at FLC yet, Gary. As mentioned above, the page isn't an hour old yet. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

  I don't think the age of an article is related to its stability. Gary King (talk) 04:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments Sources look good. I have to agree with Matthewedwards about instability. While the age of an article doesn't entirely relate to stability, it would be nice if it sat in the mainspace for a few days, just to break it in. Also, would you mind holding back until a few of your nominations close before nominating more? You have a couple dozen FLCs up, and it's a tad difficult for reviewers like myself that try to comment on every FLC. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Comments

• . She won two MTV Video Music Awards in 2005, including Best Choreography for "Hollaback Girl" and Best Art Direction for "What You Waiting For?" - Hollaback Girl is already linked before this sentence, don't overlink.
• What raised her to prominence as a solo singer?--S_RX 20:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 21:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - review addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 20:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support You've got these articles down to a science. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - SRX got the prose comments again, good job. iMatthew (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• Lead section: "including "Hollaback Girl", which peaked at number one, and "The Sweet Escape", which peaked at number two.[3]." Maybe you could change the second "which" for another word, maybe climbing or reaching (I have the same issue on my lists).
• For the rest, very good job. Support Jaespinoza (talk) 04:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Gorillaz

Gary King (talk) 02:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Nationality of band or band members?
• "The band's music is a collaboration between various musicians with Albarn being the only permanent musical contributor."-->The band's music is a collaboration between various musicians, but Albarn is the only permanent musical contributor.
• "Their style is broadly alternative rock, but with a large number of other influences including hip hop, electronica, dub and pop." I think "with" should be "has".
• "Gorillaz has released two studio albums, both on the Parlophone and Virgin Records record labels: Gorillaz (2001) and Demon Days (2005)." Source?
• "Gorillaz has received only one Grammy Award, which was in 2006; they received the Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals award for the song 'Feel Good Inc.'"-->In 2006, Gorillaz received their only Grammy Award—the Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals award for the song 'Feel Good Inc.' " Dabomb87 (talk) 03:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 03:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in the references. (MTV, Allmusic, etc.)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Comments

• Gorillaz are a British virtual band created in 1998 by Damon Albarn of alternative rock band Blur, and Jamie Hewlett, co-creator of the comic book Tank Girl. - wouldn't it be "is" and not "are"?
• Raise to prominence? [you know I got to do this :)]--S_RX 20:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"are" is for British bands. Check Arctic Monkeys, Coldplay, etc. I added some background info. Gary King (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 20:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support prose and links check out. iMatthew (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments

• Why not a picture? There are plenty of Albarn, at the least.
• "The idea to create the band came to Hewlett when he was watching MTV and said . . . " doesn't make sense. I think the whole prose needs a spruce up: "Gorillaz has" (BritEng--should be "have" throughout).
• I think you need to distinguish between fiction and reality a little bit here. "The band is composed of four animated band members: 2D, Murdoc, Noodle and Russel."? That's only according to the fictional back-story. I suggest mentioning in little more detail how Gorillaz are different from other bands.
• Alternative rock is not a "style" but a very broad music genre, so that statement is not very clear. indopug (talk) 14:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Should be better now Gary King (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Coolio

Gary King (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SrX

Comments

• He has released six solo studio albums: It Takes a Thief (1994), Gangsta's Paradise (1995), My Soul (1997), Coolio.com (2001), El Cool Magnifico (2002), and The Return of the Gangsta (2006). - from what record label?
• "Gangsta's Paradise" is Coolio's most successful song, and peaked at number two on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs charts, number one on the Hot Rap Tracks charts, and number one on the Billboard Hot 100 charts.- sounds like POV, how about "Gangsta's Pardise" achieved more success, as it peaked at number two..etc.--S_RX 14:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. I usually don't type out the record labels if the albums were released by more than a handful of record labels as it gets to be too many, but I've added it in this particular case. Gary King (talk) 17:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - resolved comments to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 00:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The first three albums were released on the Tommy Boy Entertainment record label, while the remaining three were released with JVC, Riviera, and Hardwax, respectively." "while"-->and, it's addititional info.
• Could you provide his birth name? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in the references. (Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, etc.)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Lead section: "number one on the Hot Rap Tracks charts, and number one on the Billboard Hot 100 charts.[3]". Maybe should be number one on the Hot Rap Tracks chart and on the Billboard Hot 100, or something like that to avoid "number one" twice.
• For the rest, good job. Jaespinoza (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Barenaked Ladies

Gary King (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concern from SrX

Comments

• Barenaked Ladies has released ten studio albums: - has --> have
• Best Clip (Alternative/Modern Rock) and Maximum Vision Award, in 1998. - no reason for comma after "Award"--S_RX 13:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  Barenaked Ladies is sometimes considered singular and plural in the media, but in its article, it's considered singular consistently, so I'm going to use it as singular here as well to be consistent. Gary King (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - resolved comments to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 00:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Image caption should have a period because it has a complete sentence.
• Which record label were the albums released on?
• "The band is composed of Jim Creeggan, Kevin Hearn, Steven Page, Ed Robertson, and Tyler Stewart."-->The band's members are Jim Creeggan, Kevin Hearn, Steven Page, Ed Robertson, and Tyler Stewart. Or something else that says that these people are members of the band. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 19:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in the references. (Los Angeles Times, MTV, etc)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support, a very good list. Jaespinoza (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Akon

Gary King (talk) 06:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SrX

Comment - how did he get exposure? How did he come about? Small sentence would do.--S_RX 13:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. I tried to keep it interesting; I hope it is! Gary King (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - comments resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 00:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comment from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "he was soon convicted and sent to prison on a three-year term"—Soon after what? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  I changed to "eventually" as I don't know the exact time period. Gary King (talk) 19:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Also, add birthname to the lead sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  Done Gary King (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in the references. (MTV, etc.)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by The Notorious B.I.G.

Gary King (talk) 05:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SrX

Comment - Like in other lists like these, I think it would benefit saying how he rose to prominence, also adding some bio info because he was killed, just a sentence or two would do.--S_RX 13:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Done; I tried to keep it interesting. Gary King (talk) 17:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - comments resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 00:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Good job. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, there is one: Can you add his birth name to the lead sentence? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  Done Gary King (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Try to link the publishers in all of the references (New York Times, Washington Post, etc.)
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Its great to see a list about a legend like Biggie. Was a shame that Puff Daddy took the award for Rap Album that year!,Jaespinoza (talk) 04:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Supergrass discography

previous FLC (21:11, 15 June 2008)

3rd nomination. I now think this meets featured list criteria. Just received a peer review (here) and issues have been addressed there. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 03:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "twenty five" etc. should be "twenty-five"

Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 14:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Some of the references are strangely formatted, like ""Moving" music video at Maguffin." (and missing a double-quotes)

  What do you mean? I see the "moving" ref as "Moving" music video at Maguffin. What's wrong with this? TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 06:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 06:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, JD554 (talk)

Comments from JD554 (talk · contribs)

• The album reached number one in the UK, where it stayed for three weeks.[1]: The reference (British Book of Hit Singles & Albums again) doesn't provide the number of weeks at a certain position, just the total number of weeks on chart. Should this reference be after the comma or is it a total of three weeks on the chart (in which case the sentence needs rewording)?

  This should have gone after the comma. I removed "where it stayed for three weeks" beacuse I can't find a reliable source for this. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 06:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Oracle" shouldn't be wikilink to a dab page.

Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 14:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• UK albums chart → UK Albums Chart, and wikilink first mention

Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 14:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

There are still some instances of lower case "albums chart". --JD554 (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 16:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• What's the difference between 12" vinyl and LP?

According to this, the difference is the revolutions per minute. It says the time duration for an LP is 45 minutes. I Should Coco is 43 minutes. So I guess that isn't an LP. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 18:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

LP album says 45 minutes was the original maximum time, but neither article is cited on this point. As far as I'm aware there is no official length of time for an LP and only being two minutes under that wouldn't stop it being one. I'd suggest replacing 12" vinyl and replacing with LP. --JD554 (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I have replaced 12" vinyl with LP. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 16:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Formats should be singular if there is only one.

  Can you explain more on this please? TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 06:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

For Live from London you have "formats" but then list only one (Digital download) --JD554 (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 16:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• The British Book of Hit Singles & Albums reference cannot be used for Diamond Hoo Ha, "Fin", "Bad Blood" and "Rebel in You" as they are not included in the book due to it being published before they were released. Also the book only lists the Top 75. Therefore those chart positions are uncited.

I've added citations for Diamond Hoo Ha, "Fin", "Bad Blood". TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 14:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Might be better to remove the unverifiable chart position. --JD554 (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. I can't find a source for where "Rebel in You" charted. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 18:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Soundtrack songs should only be listed if they weren't previously available.

  I'm unsure about "Oracle". I think it may have been a b-side and not done especially for Mike Bassett: England Manager soundtrack. I have removed it until I find out whether it was available before the film. TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 18:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

--JD554 (talk) 08:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support: All my concerns have been addressed. --JD554 (talk) 20:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• 'Looks good, from a peremptory visit. Tony (talk) 02:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Ref #15 needs to be filled out.

  Done TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 06:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• There are a number of sources of questionable reliability, but none of the information seems to be very controversial.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. It's gone a bit quiet here. I've sorted the problems listed above. Anything else? TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 12:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, patience :) From WP:FLC: FL candidates will remain on this page for at least 10 days. --JD554 (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Certifications are awarded for units shippednot units sold, i\so its inappropriate to list 60000+ sales for a Silver album. So remove that sales column, and move the first album worldwide sales to the certification column itself (to save space). indopug (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. I agree, you could remove the sales column on the singles table and put a bookmark or an aditional note for the only single certified. Jaespinoza (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Nashville Sounds managers

I believe this well written & organized list fully meets the Featured List criteria. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "Sounds. 13 April 2008. Retrieved" – Proper formatting is with brackets I believe, like "Sounds. (13 April 2008). Retrieved". Check WP:CITE/ES to confirm.

Gary King (talk) 06:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• In the examples provided in the link (APA style), yes, that is the way to do it. But, read the first sentence of the page: "There is currently no consensus on a preferred citation style or system for Wikipedia." What matters most is that they are consistant. The references in this list use a slightly modified form of MLA style. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "has employed 21 managers and eight general managers"—Per MOS, comparative quantities should either all spelled out (twenty-one managers and eight general managers) or all written in digits (21 managers and 8 general managers).
• Instead of piping the season links through solitary years ("George Scherger led the team to win the Southern League title in 1979 as the Double-A affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds.") make it clearer that you are linking to a season page ("George Scherger led the team to win the Southern League title in the 1979 season as the Double-A affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds."
• "In 2005, as the Triple-A affiliate of the Milwaukee Brewers, Frank Kremblas managed the team to a Pacific Coast League title." How does one "manage" a team to win?
• "Trent Jewett won a total of 320 games from 1998 to 2000 and 2003 to 2004, placing him first on the all-time wins list for Sounds managers." Dabomb87 (talk) 15:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• DONE - All improvements have been made. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Concealed year-links in table: So readers know that they're not just trivial year-page links, can you put a note in the key that in that column, they all go to ....? Tony (talk) 03:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• DONE - I mentioned it in the table key. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Knight's Cross recipients of the U-boat service

The article lists all sailors and officers that received the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross during World War II. I think this meets all the criteria of a featured list article. MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 21:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "145 German sailors" – per WP:MOS don't start sentences with numbers
• "Of these 144 presentations" – "Of these, 144 presentations"; sentence was confusing the first few times I read it

Gary King (talk) 06:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have fixed this. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: The notes section could be a little confusing to the reader. For example, it says "7. Diamonds 9 August 1943", where the date and Diamonds are mixed up. Can you present this more clearly? Otherwise, I think it's a good list. Chamal ^talk _work 11:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Now it reads awarded 7. Diamonds on 9 August 1943. This should make things clearer. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "During or shortly after World War II 145 German sailors and officers of the U-boat service as part of the Kriegsmarine received the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross." Comma after "II".

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Of these, 144 presentations were formally made and one recipient received the award after 11 May 1945 when Großadmiral Karl Dönitz ordered a cease of all promotions and illegalized all subsequent awards." Comma after "1945".

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "In 1941 two higher grades of the Knight's Cross were instituted." Comma after "1941".

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "As the war progressed some of the recipients distinguished themselves further and a higher grade, the Oak Leaves to Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross was instituted." You could probably add a comma after "progressd".

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why is there a key for a symbol that is not used?

please explain I don't know what you meanMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  This along with the * (asterisk), indicates that the Knight's Cross was awarded posthumously. None of the items in the table use it. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Three entries use this key! Have a look at entry 99, 100 and 108. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, how could I have missed that? Dabomb87 (talk) 16:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ultimately, it would be awarded to only twenty-seven German soldiers, sailors and airmen, ranging from young fighter pilots to field marshals." "only" is POV.

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• In the tables, can the date of award columns be made sortable.

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Notes column: "awarded 22. Diamonds on 24 November 1944" What does the number signify? Capitalize the first word.

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The list is initially sorted by the chronological number assigned to the recipient." Unnecessary.

done but I have seen people requesting thisMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Use a footnote instead. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Nevertheless a number of Knight's Crosses were awarded after this date and must be considered "illegal" hand-outs." Why "must be"? Comma after "Nevertheless".

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• "One Sailor of the U-boat service is often..." Why is "Sailor" capitalized?

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• The last table doesn't need to be made sortable, it has only one item.

doneMisterBee1966 (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 14:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Can we put an end to the linking of foreign languages, such as "German language", unless it's an article on language? Tony (talk) 03:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support: Looks good. Chamal ^talk 15:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - A very interesting and well constructed list that meets the criteria. Well done! Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Bleach episodes (season 7)

Nominating another episode list. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note that I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Four pieces of theme music are used for the episodes"—Try not to use the passive voice: "The episodes have four pieces of theme music". Fix this in all the other episode lists also.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Karin Kurosaki meets Tōshirō Hitsugaya when she is playing soccer in the streets." Pipe link soccer to Association football to help our international readers.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Karin discovers that older students are using a soccer field for practice during a time slot her team had booked." that her team had booked.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ikkaku's brutal training causes the majority of the team to quit"—"the majority of the team"-->most of the team or most of her teammates.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "To obtain more team members, Ikkaku asks his fellow Soul Reapers to participate in the kendo tournament." recruit instead of "obtain".

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Soul Reapers easily defeat their opponents, and a hollow appears nearby, forcing them to leave in order to fight it." Split this sentence up, these are two quite different ideas.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Hitsugaya utilizes a sneak attack with his bankai and defeats Luppi" "utilizes"-->uses, simpler.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ulquiorra Orihime twelve hours to say goodbye to one person," Missing a word.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "She comes close to kissing him but cannot bring herself to do it."-->She almost kisses him but cannot bring herself to do it.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ashido leads them out of the forest, and an attack by one of the remaining adjuchas collapses the passage, and Ashido leaves to fight the adjuchas." Too many "ands".

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 02:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support, well sourced, lead is good, and summaries are of good length. I did not give them a thorough read, however, to avoid spoilers since this season is beyond the English manga release too. :P I would note, however, that the see also seems redundant to the template. Also, the Amazon links could be shortened up a little.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Sources are okay and the summaries too.Tintor2 (talk) 11:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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2002 NFL Expansion Draft

previous FLC (03:30, 13 October 2008)

This article was archived although every reasonable critique was being promptly addressed. I resubmitted it to keep it in the process. User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 08:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

This was the last open item that was posted less than 24 hours before the list was closed:

• "The 2002 National Football League Expansion Draft was the start of the Houston Texans new National Football League (NFL) team." Now that you've put the subject at the beginning, the sentence is not grammatically correct. For starters, "Texans" should have an apostrophe after it. How was the draft "the start" of the team? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC) Dabomb87 (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Done The sentence is grammatically fixed and does not reference the draft as the start of the team.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 08:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC) More comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "If a second player is taken, the existing team could then pull back its remaining two players." "is"-->was.

Done--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 18:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• External Links should be External links.
  • Ok, I am stuck on this one. One of these videos is the only source for the statement that there were 25 Pro Bowlers available to the Texans, and that the draft was coverred live in ESPN. Another commentator asked for them to be moved to an External Links section, so I did so. Please advise. --User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 18:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Whoa, don't overthink this. All I'm saying is that Links should not be capitalized. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Oh, ok, lol.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 18:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• "To become competitive with existing teams, the league had awarded the Texans the first pick in the 2002 NFL Draft and had given them the opportunity to select current players from existing teams." It sounds like the sentence is saying that the league is trying to become competitive with other teams. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Sentence clarified.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 18:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_expansiondraft.htm a reliable source?

Done Removed as a source.

• Ref #6 is missing publisher info.

Done Removed as a source.

• What makes YouTube videos reliable?

Done The video are the original ESPN broadcasts of the draft itself. I noted that.

• Why is Pro Football Weekly italicized in some references, but not others?

It is based on a difference between how cite news and cite web function. Two of the sources are originally from their website, and one is from their print publication that was then reprinted on the web.

It's still on a website, so is there any way to make it consistent? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Done After looking at the citation formats, I realized that where I was using the "publisher" entry on some, I should have been using the "work" entry. I fixed all references to refer to the actual work from which the reference was found, and noted them as a website if such, so as to distinguish between Pro Football Weekly and the Pro Football Weekly website, for example. The two newspaper articles were actually in the paper, not just on the papers' websites, so I left them just as the paper's names without the website notation. I hope this is satisfactory.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 05:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Otherwise, sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Review

• On October 6, 1999, in Atlanta, NFL owners had unanimously voted to award the 32nd NFL franchise and the 2004 Super Bowl to the city of Houston, Texas. - link to Atlanta, Georgia.

Done linked.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 00:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• The draft was covered live on ESPN,[11][12] and the Texans drafted nineteen players. - how about The draft was broadcasted live on ESPN,

Done Thanks, it's more accurate that way.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 00:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• • This sentence stands out, it should be organized more like the 2008 WWE Draft.
  • Which sentence?--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 00:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
    • The one about the draft was covered live on ESPN, in the 2008 WWE Draft there is a similar sentence, an FL, and reads more accurately.--S_RX 22:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Done I changed that sentence to more closely track the one in that article.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 07:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• To me the colors in the name columns of the table is distracting and should just be in a regular color.--S_RX 23:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Changed to one regular color.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 00:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Support - my comment about changing the sentence about it's broadcast was never addressed but it's not major, so It can't prevent it from meeting WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 13:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Done I thought I had fixed it, but I think this is what you wanted? "The draft took place live and aired on ESPN." The sentence on 2008 WWE Draft reads: "The Draft took place live and aired for three hours on the USA Network." I don't know how long this draft was,but the rest of the sentence is almost verbatim from the other article.--User:2008Olympian_chitchat^seemywork 21:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Bleach episodes (season 4)

previous FLC (20:26, 11 October 2008)

Relisting nomination as the previous one did not garner enough participation. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Ichigo and the others begin final game against the modified souls." Missing a word.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ichigo maanages to break"—typo.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The hospital room then floods with water, which are the dolls of unidentified Bount members." So water "are" the dolls of Bount members? Unclear.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Ichinose, unbeknownst to be Kenpachi, has joined Kariya's Bounts." "unbeknownst"-->unknown. It's simpler.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Dalk manages to ensnare Ichigo in a metal net, and Ichigo's inner hollow takes over his body, allowing him to defeat the doll easily. Ichigo manages to regain control of his body, and subsequently collapses from exhaustion." Repetition of "manages".

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Tenth division lieutenant Rangiku Matsumoto comes upon Chad, Ururu, and Noba battling with the Bount Sawatari." "comes upon"-->encounters.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Rangiku uses herself as bait to lure Baura out of the ground, and he is attacked by Chad," I thought Rangiku was a female.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Meanwhile, Ishida is visited by Nemu, who proceeds to attack Ishida in order to confirm that he has lost his powers."

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "When Kariya thanks him, Ishida informs Kariya that he did so in order to defeat the Bount in Soul Society."

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 23:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• General references need publisher info (and publication date if available). Dabomb87 (talk) 02:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 04:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment, summaries all look good, brief but thorough, everything seems well sourced. Only minor comment is that the see also is redundant (becoming my common comment :P), and "This season, along with season five, is not an adaptation of the Bleach manga by Tite Kubo; the plot focuses on the introduction of the Bount, a race of humans that consume human souls to extend their lives, and their conflicts with Ichigo Kurosaki and his allies." this transition seems kind of off. It seems like it is an adaptation, just not a direct one? And should mention who did create the story, if its known. Then I'd think plot should be a separate sentence? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Cut the "see also" section. Added that it is a direct adaptation, but the sentence structure is correct. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support main issues addressed. :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support, easy to understand. References are okay.Tintor2 (talk) 11:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry

Gary King (talk) 05:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments: For such a short "article", the references can be cleaned up a bit, i.e. link the publishers, capitalize titles. And should something in the lead be in boldface? –thedemonhog talk • edits 05:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

  I usually don't link publishers to begin with, but I've done so here now. The titles are capitalized according to where they came from; I usually only change the capitalization if the original title was all in uppercase. And no, boldface is not mandatory. Gary King (talk) 05:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - Every publisher should be linked (if applicable), it does not matter if it is not linked the first time. You can never guarantee that the first reference will be clicked to see the publisher. Also, can't something be stated about how she gained prominence?--S_RX 15:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I just unlinked them all. Too much blue. She gained prominence by signing to a record label, which I have mentioned. She isn't one of those artists that become famous through MySpace. Gary King (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-p/katyperry.htm a reliable source?
• Otherwise sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Rock on the Net per discussion here. Gary King (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Perry has also been recognized at a number of awards ceremonies..." Any way to use a less vague phrase than "a number of"?
• In the infobox of the awards table, why isn't the MTV Video Music Brasil nomination listed? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  Done and fixed Gary King (talk) 17:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Another great list by the King. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Beck

Gary King (talk) 21:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Mutations, Midnite Vultures, Sea Change, and Guero were all certified Gold."
• "Beck has received six awards from 15 nominations"-->Beck has received 6 awards from 15 nominations—MOSNUM says that comparative quantities should either all be spelled out or all written in digits.
• "The song "Where It's At" received Best Rock Vocal Performance – Male while the album Odelay won the award for Best Alternative Music Performance."-->The song "Where It's At" received the Best Rock Vocal Performance – Male award, and the album Odelay won the award for Best Alternative Music Performance.
• "Beck has received six awards from 15 nominations." Same thing as above.
• "three awards from 11 nominations" Same thing as above. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 02:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://www.rockonthenet.com/ a reliable source?
• You might want to link MTV in the references.
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. Rock on the Net per discussion here. Gary King (talk) 19:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Guns N' Roses

Gary King (talk) 06:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The band, led by frontman and co-founder Axl Rose, has gone through numerous line-up changes since its formation." "has gone through"-->has had or has experienced.
• "Guns N' Roses has released five studio albums during its career"—When else would they be released?
• Reference 4 needs a last access date. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  All done. I don't necessarily agree with the change of "has gone through"; is it because it's not very encyclopedic? Because grammatically, isn't it correct? Gary King (talk) 17:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• Current ref 4 is lacking a last access date.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 17:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Another great list Gary. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - The band, led by frontman and co-founder Axl Rose, has had numerous line-up changes since its formation. - why not say who the current line-up is?--S_RX 20:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 20:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://www.rockonthenet.com/ a reliable source?
• Otherwise, sources look good.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Rock on the Net per the discussion here. Gary King (talk) 19:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Second Afghan War Victoria Cross recipients

Hello, another Victoria Cross recipient list for your perusal. I think this meets all the criteria and follows in the wake of other lists in the campaign topic. The Second Afghan War is not covered that well in Wikipedia, it doesn't currently merit its own article though that may be something I develop in the future. Thanks. Woody (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The original Royal Warrant did not contain a specific clause regarding posthumous awards, although official policy was to not award the VC posthumously." I think there should be a the before "official".
• Disambiguate Hyde Park.
• "In the 19th century Afghanistan was seen as an important buffer state to the north-west of British-ruled India." Comma after "century".
• "Over the next ten years, relations between the two countries deteriorated, primarily over the issue of Russian encroachment on Afghanistan." "Over the"-->During. Also, "ten"-->10 to be consistent with the other figures over 9.
• "This led to Britain sending him an ultimatum demanding a British envoy be accepted into Afghanistan; when this was ignored, Britain sent in three columns of British troops." Avoid using the grammatically awkward noun + -ing construction ("Britain sending", "ultimatum demanding").
• "The Victoria Cross warrant was not officially amended to explicitly allow posthumous awards until 1920 but one quarter of all awards for the First World War were posthumous." Comma after 1920, perhaps?
• "After a popular uprising in December, Roberts withdrew to Sherpur" Not sure, but I think there should be a comma after this phrase.
• "before launching a major attack on 22–23 December when they occupied Kabul once again." Did the forces recapture Kabul, or did they already occupy the city?
• "Roberts led a force from Kabul to Kandahar which defeated the rebels at the Battle of Kandahar on 1 September 1880." "which"-->that. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• They have all been done except the "the" before official as I think this is an unneccessary word. It reads better without the "the" to me. Thanks for the review. Woody (talk) 10:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks as ever for the reviews Ealdgyth. Woody (talk) 15:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Looks good Gary King (talk) 06:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support - another well constructed VC list that meets the criteria. Although, it would be better if an image of the VC was incorporated within the article some where. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
• Full Support - You must be getting bored of this process by now Woody! Cam ^(Chat) 01:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2003

previous FLC (20:26, 11 October 2008)

I am resubmiting this list, in order to achieve FL status. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Be consistent when writing numbers greater than 99, either write them all out in words or write them all as figures. Right now, I see inconsistencies: "seventeen days", "13 releases", "twenty number-one albums" etc. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 23:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Puertorican performer Ednita Nazario with her twentieth album, Por Tí, peaked at number one for the first time." Words got switched around here. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 23:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• This article says that 30 Inolvidables means "(30 Unforgettable Songs)". However, the 30 Inolvidables article says that it means "30 Unforgettables". Which is it?. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 01:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Bronco with Siempre Arriba also spent one week at the top with their first album released as their new group name: Bronco: El Gigante de América." Unclear; what does "their first album released as their new group name: Bronco: El Gigante de América." mean? FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 01:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Dabomb87 (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Support: Great list Jaespinoza. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 05:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Review

• which went on to win the Grammy Award for Best Pop Instrumental Album. - how about, which won the Grammy Award for Best Pop Instrumental Album later in the year. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Un Día Normal by Colombian performer Juanes reached the top spot of the chart on its 68th week, - comma after the album name and after Juanes. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• while fellow Mexican norteño music band Los Tigres del Norte peaked at the top for the fourth time (out of 13 releases)[9] with Herencia Musical: 20 Corridos Inolvidables. - at the top is weasely, say the specific ranking. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Ricky Martin's Almas del Silencio debuted within the Top 40 in twelve countries,[10] received a Latin Grammy nomination[11] and also debuted at number one on the chart. - you talked about 12 different countries earlier in the sentence, so which chart did it debut on #1? FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Bronco's Siempre Arriba also spent one week at the top. - specific date? FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Mexican ranchero performer Pepe Aguilar debuted at number two on the chart on April 12, 2003 with Y Tenerte Otra Vez and the following week climbed to pole position. - what does pole position mean? FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Cuban salsa performer Celia Cruz with her last recording Regalo del Alma, debuted at number one on the chart and won the Grammy Award for Best Salsa/Merengue Album. - should state that she died later/earlier (can't remember) FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 20:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL. Good work Jaespinoza, buen trabajo.S_RX 21:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Dave Matthews Band

Gary King (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-m/davematthewsband_main.htm (and other refs from the same source) reliable?
• Sources look good otherwise. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

rockonthenet.com per User:Ealdgyth/FAC_cheatsheet#Music Gary King (talk) 23:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 23:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "They have sold over 31 million albums in the United States, placing them in the 100 highest-selling music acts of all-time."-->They have sold over 31 million albums in the United States, making them one of the 100 highest-selling music acts of all-time.
• Ref 17 is missing a publication date: It says on page 3 that the article was posted on December 3, 2001.
• "The My VH1 Music Awards were a short-lived annual awards ceremony" were-->was.

Dabomb87 (talk) 15:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment before Support - gain to prominence?S_RX 23:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

  I've added some on how they all met. Gary King (talk) 04:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of D.Gray-man chapters

previous FLC (20:26, 11 October 2008)

Relisting nomination as the previous one did not garner enough comments. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support as per previous nomination. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "The series was put on hiatus twice in that country due to Hoshino falling ill; however, the series continued a few weeks later" seems a bit ackward, maybe something "The series was put on hiatus twice in that country due to Hoshino falling ill; each hiatus lasted a few weeks." or maybe give more specific details on the two hiatus (start/end) if available?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Collected volumes" should probably be tankōbon volumes to match header below (or visa versa). * "is being sold in over ten other countries" - in English, Japanese, or regional languages?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• "the first chapter appearing on May 2, 2006" - appeared?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• It seems like this part "D.Gray-man has been licensed for an English language release in North America by Viz Media and is being sold in over ten other countries" should come after the parts talking about the Shueisha volumes, and before the lead into to Viz serializing the series.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• As with episode list, the "See Also" section seems redundant to the template

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Sources could use some clean up, in the Shueisha sources the "｜ 星野　桂｜ ジャンプコミックス｜BOOKNAVI｜集英社" part seems extraneous

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Amazon source (#28) needs clean up to remove ref and extraneous parts - should just be amazon.com/dp/ASIN

• Link doesn't work if that's used. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• For the vol 12 ref, for example, http://www.amazon.com/dp/1421523892/ works to go to the same page, without the referer tags. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• English tag seems unneeded on an EL, that's a given if not specifically stated otherwise :);

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Support main issues all addressed and can't see any other faults. Well sourced and summaries are brief but complete. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Connecticut tornadoes

previous FLC (23:06, 26 May 2008)

Believe all the old concerns have been addressed. -RunningOnBrains 03:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.disastercenter.com/index.html
  • http://www.tornadoproject.com/index.html
• Current ref 3 is lacking a publisher
• Per the MOS, we don't put link titles in all capitals even when they are in all capitals in the original. (Link titles in the refs)
• A number of your links in the refs are lacking last access dates.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done I think, except for one. The disaster center website just uses the Storm Prediction Center archives and puts them in table form. I could cite a different website, but this is the only one that actually does the math so I think it's better to have a straightforward source. Regardless, I'll see if I can find a better one. Tornadoproject.com is the website for The Tornado Project, started by Dr. Thomas P. Grazulis (also the author of one of the book refs), pretty much the authority on historical tornadoes, so I believe it would be considered reliable.-RunningOnBrains 00:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment: The National Weather Service cites Grazulis regularly, so I would consider his website reliable. Here is one such case, others are easily found if you need them [28]. WxGopher (talk) 03:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "This is a list of tornadoes reported in the history of the US state of Connecticut." Featured Lists don't start like this anymore.
  • I don't get your meaning. How do they start? -RunningOnBrains 21:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
    • All lists used to start with "This is a list of...". Now, it's encouraged to think of a new and interesting lead sentence. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
• "While Connecticut is not known for tornado events..." "While"-->Although.
  •  Done
• "They occur most commonly in Hartford County, although since 1950 Litchfield County has recorded the most tornadoes. Several areas have been struck more than once, and Waterbury has been struck by no less than 4 tornadoes since 1955." Inline citations for these sentences needed.
  • I don't think basic math needs to be cited. If each tornado has a citation, including where it occurred, I don't see how these statements need inline citation.-RunningOnBrains 21:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
• "While Connecticut tornadoes are typically weak, isolated events can be violent." Again, use Although instead of "While".
  •  Done
• "The year 1973 was particularly active: eight tornadoes occurred on six separate days." Use a semicolon instead of a colon.
  •  Done
• Images which have captions that are not complete sentences should not have periods.
  •  Done
• "A 300 yard (274 m) wide tornado unroofed several homes in northern Bridgeport." Hyphenate "300-yard".
  •  Done
• "levelled"-->leveled, only one "l" in American English.
  •  Done
• "One boy was killed and 33 others were injured." Since these are comparitive quantities, spell out both numerals.
  •  Done -RunningOnBrains 21:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Now, hyphenate thirty-three. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

More comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Pre–1850" Should be a hyphen, not an en dash. Also, I don't have time to make more comments today, I'll try to tomorrow, and if not tomorrow, then Saturday. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  •  Done-RunningOnBrains 15:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• "A Connecticut tornado is a tornado which has affected the US state of Connecticut." This is definitely not necessary. There is no requirement to have something in bold at the beginning, just a engaging lead. The second sentence is good enough for me.
• Actually, would "Before 1850" be acceptable for the heading that you just changed?
• "September 18, 1918: A tornado cut a path 130-160 feet across from Groton, Connecticut, through Mystic, and out into Long Island Sound. Small buildings, roofs, trees and telephone poles were damaged heavily. Several people received minor injuries from flying debris" Dash use, needs period at the end.
• "a path 50 to 300 feet (15 to 91 m)wide." Space after close parenthesis.
• "1000 acres (4 km²)" Don't use the "2" subscript symbol, use the convert template or use subscript markup.
• "two acres (8,000 m²)" Same thing here.
• "An F4, it destroyed almost 400 structures, and injured 40 people."-->The F4 destroyed almost 400 structures and injured 40 people.
• "Miraculously, no one was killed by these devastating tornadoes, though a girl was killed when straight-line winds blew a tree onto her tent." "Miraculously" is POV.
  • Is "amazingly" ok? -RunningOnBrains 17:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I don't think you can use synonyms to fix this; better to just get to the point. Readers can figure out themselves that it was "miraculous" or "amazing" that nobody died. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• Inconsistent ues of adverb and verb order: I see "briefly touched down" and "touched down briefly".
  • I actually thought about this and was wondering: is it better to use consistent (read: repetitive) wording for all these minor events, or should I be demonstrating "brilliant prose" (not to say that being consistent can't be brilliant, just wondering whether consistency or originality is more important)? -RunningOnBrains 17:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Consistency is definitely more important here, especially since a lot of the bullet points containing that phrase are consecutive. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• "This was the sixth most damaging tornado in US history." Hyphenate "sixth most".
• "11 mile (18 km) path" Hyphen in "11 mile" needed.
• "One person was killed, with another 50 injured"-->One person was killed, with another fifty injured...
• "August 28, 1911: A tornado cut a three mile (five km) path" Hyphenate "three mile".
• "cutting a five mile (eight km) path through Hamden." Hyphen needed in "five mile". Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Twenty homes, 63 barns, and 1,000 acres (4.0 km2) of forest were destroyed." It's the comparative quantities thing again. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
• Reference 3 http://www.disastercenter.com/conn/tornado.html needs a publisher. Also, what makes this site reliable? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
  •  Done I substituted in a book source. It's not as up-to-date, but it is a solid reference. -RunningOnBrains 17:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support No concerns. Well done. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - Every time I have looked at this article in order to review it, I got stuck on the paradoxical statement "They occur most commonly in Hartford County, although since 1950 Litchfield County has recorded the most tornadoes." I have not found a source for the statement that they occur most commonly in Hartford County, so I infer that this statement is simply a description of the data in the table. In that case, I believe that it would be more accurate (and less paradoxical) to say "More tornadoes have been reported in Hartford County than in any other county in the state, but since 1950 Litchfield County has recorded the most tornadoes." This would reflect what I believe is the reality: we don't actually have enough data to say where in the state tornadoes occur "most commonly" (and one might quibble with the word "commonly" there, since they are uncommon), but we do know where they have been reported. --Orlady (talk) 04:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  •  Done I agree it was poor wording. -RunningOnBrains 16:10, 25

October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. --Orlady (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Nice list, well-presented and thoroughly sourced. I have just one more comment, though. The storm of August 7, 1839 is described as passing through "an uninhabited area of present-day Wallingford." I don't think the boundaries of Wallingford have changed since 1839, so I believe that should simply refer to "an uninhabited area of Wallingford." --Orlady (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of D.Gray-man episodes

previous FLC (20:26, 11 October 2008)

Renominating list that failed because it did not receive enough input. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - I couldn't catch any flaws in the prose or the table, meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 23:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments - where are the refs for the transcluded lists (and yay for their being used more!)? The see also seems unnecessary with the template having the same links. Where are the English episodes going to air or is it not stated yet? I am really not a fan of the reference column in tables instead of just putting the ref behind the release date...but will defer to others on whether that is now an accepted convention. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• See the general reference. Cut the "see also" section. It hasn't been stated when the English episodes will air. The reference as a column cites all the information, so I think it's a better format, and is used in other lists. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• The general ref only seems to cover the Japanese titles though. It doesn't have the airdates nor the English titles? Okay on the ref cols. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• The series has only aired in Japan. The English titles are all translations (shouldn't you be familiar with this from the thirty or so FLs we have?). Changed up the refs though. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Ah, sorry, it said it was licensed so I had a brain cramp :-P Ref change addressed that issue nicely. Support. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Nirvana

Removed. Gary King (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Er, isn't that violating copyright? Garden. 21:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, maybe it is! You scare the pants off of me. Gary King (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

At least he didn't quote "Rape Me" or "Polly". -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Do I? Sorry :D Garden. 10:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• CommentSupport - how come in most of your band nominations you only say The band went through a succession of drummers and eventually settled on Dave Grohl, who joined the band in 1990. (something about the drummers but not the other players?)--S_RX 00:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

  If you're saying that I only mention the drummer in my lists, then I don't think that's true. In this particular case, the other band members are mentioned in the first sentence. Gary King (talk) 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought bands had more than three players.--S_RX 22:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Vancouver SkyTrain stations

I am nominating this for FL nomination as I believe it is ready for this promotion. Also, this nomination if part of the FLC Contest going on right now. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 2 (Sky Train) is lacking a publisher

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 18:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)

• "The SkyTrain in Vancouver" – "The Vancouver SkyTrain"

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• "4 of which" – "four of which"

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Lead should be longer.

I'll try making a longer prose. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I think a good place to start would be with the system's history. That should probably go before the analysis of the actual lines. Gary King (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 18:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 02:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose mostly because of the prose
  • The first two sentences need to be combined because the current first sentence seems like an incomplete thought.
  • There should be more info on history of these lines than just one clumsy sentence.

As I said to Gary King, I would try to expand the lead later this week. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Avoid using parentheses in the prose.
  • In one sentence, I read four instances of "of which". Needs to be re-worded.
  • There is a column for "previous names" just because three out of 33 stations changed their names? I think a note should be made to indicate those three changes.
  • Any reason why use the boldface and italics instead of colors?
    • Any reason why use colors instead of the boldface and italics? If the WP:MOS saids so, then I will change it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
      • WP:MOS does not say "use boldface or italics to indicate something". At the same time, WP:COLOR mentions that colors are used to indicate something. --Crzycheetah 04:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You just added the colors. WP:MOS says that we should use boldface for the article name and table headers only. You need to replace boldface and italics with some other symbol.--Crzycheetah 05:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• • It's good to see a Google map used as a reference, but why not use it for other captions, as well?

I will try to do that. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

May I ask you where should I put the Google references, since I don't know what to reference. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice your question, the fourth caption needs a Google reference, and the second caption needs a reference that it was named after that stadium.--Crzycheetah 05:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done all the referencing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• • The lead should mention something about the zones.

I don't know if that is possible... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

--Crzycheetah 02:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done all without a comment. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Why is there no info on Canada Line and Evergreen Line?

They are not part of the SkyTrain brand. Look at the article Canada Line, and you'll see that it has not be confirmed yet whether or not if it wil lbe branded with SkyTrain. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The Evergreen Line will be part of the SkyTrain in 2014, but I won't be including it on the list as it did not open yet. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you can add that at the end of the lead.--Crzycheetah 04:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I already added that on the second paragraph if you didn't notice. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral I need to go over it one more time before supporting.--Crzycheetah 02:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support--Crzycheetah 02:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Although you know and I know, I think that you should say that Vancouver is in Canada.

Most articles related to the United States or Canada don't include the country, but instead the province/territory/state. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure that is true and you haven't even specified the province anyway. There is also the point that there is another Vancouver (admittedly a smaller place but with a population of 160,000 or so, not insignificant).Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I do know that there is another Vancouver in Washington, but I think I really don't need to put Canada as I feel it is unnesscessary. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• I can't help feeling that the section that you added as a response to other comments which describes the history of the system reads slightly strangely. It reads a bit like a prose list of stations added to the system; some of it seems to imply stations were just tacked on the system without mentioning that there was a section of line added too.

Can you clear what you're trying to say. Sorry, but I only have a intermediate understanding of English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not easy to explain - the prose doesn't strike me as particularly compelling. One of the things that is missing is any line lengths and I don't think you need to list every station added. For example I would prefer statements such as "In 19xx the A line was extended by 3 km with 5 new stations.". If you are willing I could try and rewrite that section.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be happy for you to rewrite that paragraph, as long as I won't damage my FL nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain, 4 of which are on the Expo line..." I think that only should be added here or reorder the sentence so that the shared stations come first. It is slightly confusing otherwise. Oh and there's a typo, "Vanouver" in the following sentence.

Cleared the typo, but I feel that the word "only" sounds a little bit WP:POV. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

What I was trying to get across is someone is reading it and starts reading the sentence "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain, 4 of which are on the Expo line" and at that point thinks "Hey, I thought that the Expo line had many more stations than that" and has to read to the end to see the bit about the stations on both lines to clear up his confusion.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• The sentence about the longest automated system is oddly placed, coming amongst stuff that describes the stations. As its quite notable you could probably put it nearer the start of the lead.

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• I think you need to clarify what is meant by a transfer station (i.e. transfer just between SkyTrain lines and not transfer to other modes). One might also ask why the other stations on both lines are not marked as transfer stations. You might also want to add a note that the Broadway and Commercial Drive stations effect the transfer via a direct link (and describe the nature of that link if possible e.g. connecting bridge etc.).

I don't think I really need to explain that much for the transfer point. I thougt it was really clear to everyone, but I wikilinked transfer station. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, though I would still prefer a note about the two linked stations.Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• When hovering over the system diagram in the top right, the tooltip shown is a bit odd with a lot of white space.

Well can you tell me what to do in order to make it more neater? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

When I made the comment I thought there was a way that one could specify a different tooltip to the caption, but reading up on it this doesn't seem to be possible. Unless anyone knows a clever way round this? Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• It may be me but describing a terminal as the <x>bound terminal doesn't sound quite right. I think I liken it to <x>bound platform which is the platform that you take to go in the x direction. Northern/Southern/Eastern/Western terminal seems more correct.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you actually lived in Vancouver, you will know that they are called Northbound, Southbound, Eastbound, and Westbound. There is no eastbound terminal as it continues along the Expo Line. I didn't tell the readers that as I think that it should be obvious and clear to them. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well of course most people reading this article don't live in Vancouver but if it is official terminology then I don't have a problem with it. Boissière (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Boissière (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• I have replaced one ref from Nationmaster Encyclopedia with a fact tag, since Nationmaster Encyclopedia is a copy (mirror of an older version) of Wikipedia, and thus not a reliable source. Fram (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done referencing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

SRE.K.A contacted me to review the article so here goes

1. running principally on elevated tracks -- is it completely elevated?

fixed sentence. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. was said to be -- who said WP:AWT

changed to was. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "municipal government" reads odd -- perhaps municipal council?

 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "the longest mass transit-only bridge" -- longest in?

 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "is currently being planned," - check continuity

Deleted currently

1. "There are 33 stations on the SkyTrain..." -- sentence needs to be split.

 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "majority of the stations" -- rephrase, just a shade over "majority"

 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. What is an Offical transfer station -- Is there something like an "unofficial transfer station"?

Changed it to just, "Transfer station". -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Local Authority -- lower case

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "the most heavily used station" ==> grammar (has the highest...)

 Done Make sure I did this right. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "Most of the remaining portion" -- tighten prose, too vague

I only have an intermediate understanding of English. To be honest, I don't know how to change it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Recommend the map be uploaded as an SVG image

I can't make svg files. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Increase the size of the map. Is crucial for understanding.

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. transit officially known as "Intermediate Capacity Transit System" --> check officially

deleted offically. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Suggestion: The distances between each station could be an interesting addition.

Thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it can't be done as I can't find a reference for that. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "The first section of the Millennium Line opened in 2002, with Braid and Sapperton stations." -- usage of "with"

I don't understand what you mean... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Have you considered using Wikipedia:Route diagram template?

Impossible for this article as it can only do one line at a time and will use too much space. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Opening sentences need a copyedit.

I already know that but as I said above, I only have an intermediate understanding of English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "World in Motion - World in Touch" convert hyphen to dash

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Check the usage of "with"

Look above. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1. "SkyTrain, 4 of " -- spell out numbers less than 10

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

=Nichalp «Talk»= 18:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The middle paragraph is complicated to follow. The sentence beginning "TransLink, which took over" is too long. I suggest you simplify it a bit and get someone to copyedit the prose to help with flow and native-English style. This chronology of the stations can be seen in the table so perhaps all the detail in the prose isn't needed. It would be great if you had an additional map showing the chronology of the track: different colours (with numbers alongside, for any colourblind readers) for each phase of development, along with a key. It is a shame the current map is a JPG as that makes it fuzzy compared to a PNG or SVG. There are folk on WP who convert diagrams, but I forget which project that is. Please consider using accessmonthday and accessyear cite parameters and plain US/Canadian date format (November 13, 1971) rather than using the ISO format. Although the system you've used displays correctly for logged-in users, it shows as ISO format for 99% of readers, which isn't that friendly to non-computer-types. Colin°^Talk 19:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I requested the convesion of the image, but I cannot copedit the article as I only have a intermediate understandingof English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 23:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• Thanks for your use of pictures - very nicely done!
• The lede is quite long. Some of that info is pertinent to the article SkyTrain (Vancouver), but probably not necessary in the list. In my opinion, the first two sentences of the second paragraph could be removed.
• Being able to sort by "Line(s)" is unnecessary.
• I'd remove the wikilink on "Zone" in the column header, then link it in Note A.
• Otherwise, this looks good. I Conditionally Support this FLC. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done all! -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Please add class="unsortable" to the "Lines" header column. That will remove the sortability of that column, per my suggestion 3 above. Nice work! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 07:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments by DavidCane

• Looking at the articles for Sapperton and Braid Stations and the Millennium Line, the map appears to be wrong with Sapperton and Braid stations switched.

I requested the change on WP:Graphic lab/Image workshop

• With regard to adding a Route diagram template. It would actually be quite easy as the template can handle very complex arrangements. see right.

Thanks a whole bunch, but there's one problem. Where do I put it? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver SkyTrain
Waterfront Opened 1985 Burrand Opened 1985 Granville Opened 1985 Stadium-Chinatown Opened 1985 Main Street-Science World Opened 1985 VCC-Clark Opened 2006 Broadway Opened 1985 Nanaimo Opened 1985 Renfrew Opened 2002 29th Avenue Opened 1985 Rupert Opened 2002 Joyce-Collingwood Opened 1985 Gilmore Opened 2002 Patterson Opened 1985 Brentwood Town Centre Opened 2002 Metrotown Opened 1985 Holdom Opened 2002 Royal Oak Opened 1985 Sperling-Burnaby Lake Opened 2002 Edmonds Opened 1985 Lake City Way Opened 2003 22nd Street Opened 1985 Production Way-University Opened 2002 New Westminster Opened 1985 Lougheed Town Centre Opened 2002 Braid Opened 2002 Columbia Opened 1989 Sapperton Opened 2002 Skybridge Scott Road Opened 1990 Gateway Opened 1994 Surrey Central Opened 1994 King George Opened 1994

• 1st paragraph: "The Expo line was built in time for the Expo 86 world fair". As the next paragraph says it was built as a legacy project, so "in time" is redundant.

 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Are the actual opening dates of the Expo and Millennium lines known rather than just the years?

I'm trying to keep in consistent, as some do, and some don't. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 2nd paragraph: "extending service to Surrey." should be either "extending services to Surrey." or "extending the service to Surrey."

 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 2nd paragraph: "In 2006, VCC-Clark opened, which complete the Millennium Line." should be "In 2006, VCC-Clark station opened, which completed the Millennium Line."

 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 2nd paragraph: Presumably these are Canadian dollars.

 Done noting it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 2nd paragraph: "TransLink, which took over BC Transit's SkyTrain operation, proposed a two-phase expansion: a $1.2 billion Millennium Line from New Westminster to the Vancouver Community College via Lougheed Town Centre in Phase I and a $730 million Coquitlam line from Lougheed Mall to Coquitlam Centre via Port Moody and a Western Line from Vancouver Community College to Granville Street via the Broadway Corridor, both to be completed before 2006, in Phase II." is a very long sentence. I suggest this is broken up to make it easier to follow. Also "both to be completed before 2006" appears to be unnecessary." For example:

"TransLink, which took over BC Transit's SkyTrain operation, proposed a two-phase expansion: The first phase was a $1.2 billion Millennium Line from New Westminster to the Vancouver Community College via Lougheed Town Centre. The second phase was a $730 million Coquitlam line from Lougheed Mall to Coquitlam Centre via Port Moody and a Western Line from Vancouver Community College to Granville Street via the Broadway Corridor"

 Fixed I just copied your version and pasted it into the paragraph. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 3rd paragraph: "Their are four stations..." should be "There are four stations..."

 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 3rd paragraph: It would be easier and simpler to state how many stations are served by each line and how many are shared.

 Done Check it incase I did something wrong. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• 3rd paragraph: "...most highest used..." should be "...most highly used..." and "...is the lowest." should be "...is the least used."

 Fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Is there any information as to usage numbers for the stations?

There is, but it is way overdue, as they only did it in 2003, and things may change. If you want me to put the 2003 stats up, I'll be happy too. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

--DavidCane (talk) 17:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Honorary Fellows of Jesus College, Oxford

Another FLC contest list, I'm afraid; yet another Jesus College list, as well, so extra apologies. Is it complete? Well, whilst there is no complete list anywhere else to check against, I've scoured The Times, the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, Who's Who, Who Was Who, the two main published histories of the college and the college's annual publications since 1992, and I can't see how anyone else would have slipped past all of these sources! Comments welcome. Bencherlite^Talk 21:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 7 (Biography College de France...) is lacking a publisher
  • Done.
• Would be nice if you indicated on the ONDB refs that you need an subscription to access it.
  • Every time? It already says that a subscription is required in the General References section, as it does for Who's Who and Who Was Who.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 08:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support with comments - picky ones though...

• Last sentence, first paragraph of lead, needs work. Too long perhaps, but " dismiss members of academic staff as redundant, or to dismiss or discipline members of academic staff for reasons for performance or behaviour, or to dismiss " has a few repetitions in it and I'm not convinced by "for reasons for performance" either...
  • Trimmed. I was trying to follow the language of the statutes, but have given up... Bencherlite^Talk
• eighty-two->82 per MOS.
• Same with sixty-four.
  • No to both: MOS:NUM#Numbers_as_figures_or_words – "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs." As I've got a "three" in the same paragraph, I'd rather have them all spelled out. Bencherlite^Talk
• I'm not convinced Wales needs to be wikilinked but I won't fall on my sword for it to be unlinked.
  • Well, I'll leave it, then. Not every reader of WP will know that UK != England. Bencherlite^Talk
• "is currently" - tend to avoid this, I'd go for a more precise "As of October 2008..."
  • Done. Bencherlite^Talk
• Link MP.
  • Linked. Bencherlite^Talk

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 16:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

No worries. No problem with the MOS either - I'll need to do more homework when I get back before I dare try another serious review! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose An impressive list and full of impressive people. But there are some minor issues and a couple of more serious ones

• The date format is inconsistent (try logging out to see what 99% of readers see). Consider using accessdaymonth and acccessyear parameters instead of accessdate.
  • Will do, but need time Update: Done. That would appear to be because {{cite news}} has been edited – since I brought the list here – to be inconsistent with {{cite web}} in its display of accessdates . Great...
• As The Rambling Man notes, there's some WP:DATED issues particularly affecting some of final lead paragraph. ("every decade since then"; "have been elected since then"; "the most recent election")
  • WP:DATED refers to events that will date quickly, and doesn't apply here IMHO. That said, I've removed the offending sentences for other reasons, since two people think that the lead is too long.
• The second paragraph appears to be entirely original research. As you indicate, there is no source that lists all 82 people and you don't cite any that confirm, for example, that Francine Stock is the only woman. Much of this information can be discovered by the list readers, using the sort option to group the link column entries. IMO the lead is overlong, so removing this paragraph would help.
  • Hee-hee, SatyrTN thinks I should remove the sortability of that column, so I can't please both of you! I've removed the references to numbers and repeated the citation (non-internet) about Stock being the only woman. I've trimmed the lead.
• Much of the information in the link and notes columns is unsourced. This is particularly true of those entries sourced to the Oxford University Gazette, which merely contain a list of names. Some of our people lists contain unsourced DoB or nationality which I'm relatively comfortable with overlooking because it is a minor detail, useful for identification, and actually rather hard to source. I suppose someone might challenge even that minor info. But, for example, stating that Yoder won the Pulitzer Prize in 1979 really demands a source. BTW: having a separate Ref column makes it hard for me to tell if the source (particularly one I can't read) covers the HF year, the link and/or the notes. It is possible that all three facts might be separately sourced. Colin°^Talk 17:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Yoder is sourced for all three elements in the one source, but you can't read that source on the internet. That's the problem with offline sources, isn't it? Do you really need me to give an internet source as well for the fact that he won a Pulizer Prize? If so, I will. My mistake; I was confusing the article that I wrote on Yoder with the list entry; the article has two sources, one of which is offline and contains the fact of his college attendance, his PP and his election date to an HF. I'll add in another source to the list entry. Are there any others that you think demand sources for particular note entries? Do you really want me to put a ref by the HF year, the link and the notes as well? I think that's overkill, since very often it'll be the same ref three times, which is pure reference bloat and will look very messy - hence keeping everything in one column.
  • Thanks for the review. Bencherlite^Talk 11:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The cite web/news difference is one problem, but the other is the use of ISO date formats, which should really be discouraged as that's what logged out readers see. The DATED text will/may be out of date as soon as there is another election. The issue is that without making your time frame explicit (As of 2008) the reader and future editors won't know if or when your text became out of date. I think the Link column sortability is now working fine and is useful. I agree that having refs inside most of the cells would be ugly. My point is more that once you start distrusting that a row-ref actually supplies a source for all the row, then it becomes hard to know which facts you are claiming come from the row-ref. Some of the sources supply everything and some only supply the fact that X was elected in YYYY. All the notes information is challengable, IMO, and technically the Type (were they a former fellow) is too as both are significant pieces of information in this list. It looks like all the rows sourced to Oxford University Gazette lack the detail required (unless the paper version has more detail and the online one is just an outline, in which case the source should be the printed version and the web link should clearly indicate it is just a summary). Colin°^Talk 12:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Access dates put into a revised format. Added a whole load of extra refs to ensure everything's covered at least once. Bencherlite^Talk 15:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks good when logged out now. The sourcing is much better. Support. Colin°^Talk 11:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from SatyrTN

• As per above, the lede is waay too long, IMO. My suggestion is to take out paragraph two and the accompanying quote. Just my opinion.
  • I have trimmed the lead. However, the quote is the single most interesting individual fact in the list. It is the only documented reaction I have found of a HF's reaction to being awarded an HFship. It was sufficiently interesting to be made the lead item (with picture) at DYK. Why on earth would you want to remove the quote?
• More pictures! Surely out of the 82 entrants on the list there are more available?
  • No more photos on the accompanying articles. Most of the people are still alive and not sufficiently photographed to have free-use images waiting around to be used; those that are dead are often too recently dead to have photos out of copyright.
• The column header "Link" is vague - It took me several readings of the key to figure out what you meant. "Link to College" would be too long a header. Perhaps the Key could be renamed "Key to Links" and start that off with a sentence like "Most Fellows are linked to the College in various ways. These include:" Or something like that.
  • Reworded.
• I'm not sure about this one... Sorting the "Link" column may be problematic. If I've sorted that way, I'm interested in counting how many Old Members there are, for instance. But six of them end up out of order (since they're "F/OM"). I'm wishy-washy on this, but I'm leaning towards removing the sortability of the Link column.
  • Well, I'm strongly leaning to keeping it, particularly when (as noted above) the previous opposer was using the sortability of the link column as a justification for calling for changes in the lead paragraphs! To make it even better, I've changed "L" to "CL" so that the "F"s lead into the "F/OM"s and then into the "OM"s without the sole "L" in the way.

• Conditional Oppose, but with changes I could support. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review. Bencherlite^Talk 11:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm still worried about the lede being so long. I feel like this is trying to be both an article (where reactions to being named would definitely be included) and a list (where they may not). My concern is not quite strong enough to justify an oppose, though :) BTW, this is good work, conflicting reviewers or not :)

• Weak Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Update I have asked Colin to revisit this FLC, but his busy schedule hasn't permitted this yet; please hold off archiving this until he does. Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 22:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I'll aim to look at it this lunchtime. Colin°^Talk 07:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Colin°^Talk 11:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 23:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Timeline of the 2007 Pacific hurricane season

Just finished copyediting, cleaning up, expanding, and improving. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Julian, did you forget that date autoformatting is now deprecated? And actually, so are concealed links, such as your [[1950-1969 Pacific hurricane seasons|1966]], which not only discourages readers from clicking on it (same old boring year link?), but is misleading as to the content. If I knew what the article was, I'd be much more interested. Here's a tip: why not avoid the link altogether in the lead and spell it out in full (even with an extended note about what began in 1966) in the "See also" section? More interesting; more reader-friendly. Tony (talk) 11:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Good points; I fixed those links. Thanks for the comments, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 13:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 18:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "transitions, as well as dissipation." – "transitions, and dissipation."
• "The timeline also includes information which was not operationally released, meaning that information from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center, such as information on a storm that was not operationally warned on, have been included" – "The timeline also includes information which was not operationally released such as information from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center, which include information on a storm that was not operationally warned on." – or something along those lines. At least get rid of the improperly used "meaning"; some redundancy in the sentence, too
• "seasonal ACE was" – ACE is what?
• "Tropical Storm Barbara in June caused $55 million (2007 USD) in crop damage in southeastern Mexico from heavy precipitation.[" – "Tropical Storm Barbara caused $55 million (2007 USD) in crop damage in southeastern Mexico from heavy precipitation in June.["
• "Eastern Pacific " – capitalized differently from earlier
• "Central Pacific" – should also follow suit
• "threatening Hawaii but causing little damage" – "and threatened Hawaii but caused little damage"

Gary King (talk) 04:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

All done, thanks. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 13:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "which include information on a storm that was not operationally warned on." – "which include information on storms that were not operationally warned." – I'm not even sure what the sentence means. "operationally warned"?

Gary King (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Clarified. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 13:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I copyedited a bit of redundancy out of it, but I still don't understand what it means. When I Google the phrase "operationally warned on", it brings me back to this FLC, so I don't know what it means. This probably means that there's a better way to phrase it. Gary King (talk) 17:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

It's no different than the word "operationally", really. The word means, essentially, that the subject was noticed at the time it existed. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 17:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Add the format=PDF field to all PDF web references.
  • Done. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Tropical Storm Barbara in June"-->In June, Tropical Storm Barbara...
  • Done. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• Is there no need of a colon when writing UTC time?
  • I'm not entirely sure. I've always known it to be written without a colon, though. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• "the hurricane threatened Hawaii" What does it mean to "threaten"?
  • In this context, to "threaten" means to threaten to affect an area, but turn away before doing so.

Dabomb87 (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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The White Stripes discography

previous FLC (10:07, 7 August 2008)

If I recall correctly, this didn't make FL due to it being part of a discussion about the amount of positions in charts. The list remains in good condition since then, and hopefully it can make it through the nomination process. Red157 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues from SRX

Comments

• Having signed to V2 Records, 2003 saw The White Stripes major label debut, entitled Elephant which has since gone Platinum in the United States and double Platinum in the United Kingdom. - why is platinum capitalized?
• This was followed by Icky Thump in 2007. Both albums made the top five of the Billboard 200, Icky Thump with the higher placing of number two,[1] and both also won the Grammy for Best Alternative Music Album. - very confusing, you need to split these.

--S_RX 00:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I do believe both are done and thank you for commenting so quickly. Red157 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

There is a second platinum capitalized in the same sentence above.--S_RX 00:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

That was careless of me, done.  Red157  00:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - meets FL Criteria.--S_RX 01:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 04:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 04:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "acclaim whilst pushing" – "acclaim while pushing"
• "the current alternative rock scene" — "the alternative rock scene" – what's so "current" about it?
• "Having signed to V2 Records, 2003 saw The White Stripes major label debut," – "The White Stripes signed to V2 Records and released their debut album on a major label in 2003" – much cleaner
• "which has since gone platinum in" – "which has been certified platinum in"

Gary King (talk) 21:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

All done.  Red157  14:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Strong oppose

• "This list does not include any material by Jack White as a solo artist or as a member of The Raconteurs." ← remove it!
• "This was followed by De Stijl, which was well-received by critics and was their first album to chart in the United States." – In which position? 0?
• "The White Stripes signed to V2 Records and released their debut album on a major label in 2003..." → "...and released their major label debut in 2003..." (?)
• "entitled Elephant" → "entitled Elephant," (comma)
• "Both albums made the top five of the Billboard 200, though Icky Thump managed the higher placing of number two. Both Get Behind Me Satan and Icky Thump received Grammy Awards for Best Alternative Music Album." (twice both on the same para?)
• Peak chart positions = 16? (reduce to 10; both albums & singles!)
• " — " denotes releases that did not chart. → "—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that country.
• Remove the excess space in the column certifications. (ex. US:__Gold)
• Formats → Format
• Videos → Video albums
• Music Video → Title
• References (needs a big cleanup)
  • "The White Stripes - Music Charts". acharts. Retrieved on 2008-07-24. (??????)

Cannibaloki 01:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Couple of things. All are done besides the excess spaces in column certifications (As I'm not sure why they do that, and if the most minor of superficial issues like that stops it reaching FL, I'll be gutted) and the reducing the chart thing. If I recall correctly, this failed last time due to that very issue regarding the amount of chart positions. And since then I've seen so many articles make FL with the same amount of positions in their charts. It seems the discussion didn't actually make a difference and it's still a matter of personal opinion.  Red157  12:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

One question: If you had +30 positions to write on the table of albums & singles, you will write all? Cannibaloki 16:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't think anything approaching 30 would be able to fit on the page. 16 looks fine and as I've mentioned, has been the amount present on other FL discographies.  Red157  17:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• I don't know if it's due to dilution since we see the same style of discogs here all the time, but WP:FL? says the lead needs to be engaging. This just seems like it's been taken from any one of the already featured lists, with the band name and albums replaced by the ones for The White Stripes. For me, to "exemplifies our very best work" doesn't mean to copy/paste what is already featured; we shouldn't be afraid to try something new once in a while. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

If I was to turn each paragraph into a series of haiku's, would the FL criteria be compromised? As it's certainly something new.  Red157  13:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of universities in Canada

This is certainly one of the longer lists that I've worked on. The provinces with more than 10 universities have separate lists that more fully explain their universities, so they are instead very simply summarized in this list. Gary King (talk) 06:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "In Canada the constitutional responsibility for universities rests with the provinces and territories." Comma after Canada.
• "...it states 'in and for each Province, the Legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to Education.'" I think there should be a colon after states.
• "Universities in the country grant university degrees including bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and doctoral degrees." Comma after "university degrees".
• "14 universities are located in British Columbia." MOS breach in starting a sentence with a numeral as well as generally awkward phrasing. Fix this in other sections also.
• "Newfoundland and Labrador has only one university."
• "Dalhousie University, first known as Dalhousie College, was established in Halifax in 1820 with the help of the Presbyterian Church, while, Acadia University was founded by Baptists." No comma after while.

More comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 02:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Redundancies: "located in", I see this all over the article.
• "University student enrollment in Alberta ranges from King's University College with 560 students to 35,490 students at the University of Alberta" Needs a period at the end.
• "The University of Saskatchewan is the oldest school in the province, founded in 1907, while the First Nations University of Canada is the newest, established in 1976." Comma after 1907 needs to be a semicolon.
• "The First Nations University of Canada and the University of Regina are both located in Regina, the province's capital, while the University of Saskatchewan is found in Saskatoon, the most populated city in Saskatchewan." "while"-->and, it is merely addititional information.

Dabomb87 (talk) 02:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. I don't agree with the semicolon. Gary King (talk) 02:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree with the semicolon either, but that's what you've done on another sentence, so I was trying to encourage consistency. I wasn't sure what was grammatically correct, either. Here it is: "The oldest university in the province is the University of Alberta, established in 1906; while King's University College is the most recently established university, formed in 1979."

Ah okay; must've been one of the edits that slipped past me. I've changed it back to a comma. Gary King (talk) 03:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Use tables for all provinces, even for the ones that have their own well developed lists. This would make the article look consistent, and the information and sources would also be easier to locate. Good potential. --Qyd (talk) 18:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

  Hm, well, I want to encourage people to go to the other lists to learn more about those provinces rather than just staying in this one, which is why I've only got them here with bullets. Gary King (talk) 18:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

That's nice, but it doesn't help with bringing this list up to featured standard. --Qyd (talk) 19:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 19:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Support FL. Looks clean, well referenced, well structured, informative. --Qyd (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of universities in Quebec

previous FLC (20:26, 11 October 2008)

Gary King (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Support. Well-referenced. This may be personal preference, but sentence #3 could be split using a semicolon rather than having it at such a length. Pandacomics (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Question Why not have one table, with an additional column for language? That would permit sorting across both sets of information. Seems unnecessary to split off the English-language ones. Bencherlite^Talk 22:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

  Done Gary King (talk) 02:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

  Support Bencherlite^Talk 04:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Two institutions, both established in 1974, are considered the most recently designated universities in Quebec: École de technologie supérieure and Concordia University." Why only "considered"?
• "University enrollment in Quebec ranges from the smallest university, Institut national de la recherche scientifique, with 480 students, to the largest university, Université de Montréal, with 39,979 students."-->University enrollment in Quebec ranges from Institut national de la recherche scientifique with 480 students to Université de Montréal with 39,979 students. (or something like that, we don't need "largest university" or "smallest university")

Dabomb87 (talk) 23:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 02:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Soul Eater chapters

My entry for the FLC contest. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose—Cr. 6. While Japanese script has its own beauty, here, it's denigrated by being turned into an agent of extreme clutter. Instead, it's ugly. Please remove it all—this is for English speakers; there's a Japanese WP too. Tony (talk) 11:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• I absolutely disagree. The original media was in Japanese, and we should display it. Take the issue up with WP:ANIME, and I'll remove it only with consensus from there (and this would entail removing the kanji from all other episode and chapter lists). — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Also disagree with this oppose. We do not ignore the original language just because this is the English Wikipedia. All anime and manga articles include the original Japanese for titles, episodes, characters, and chapters. As Sephiroth noted, if feel this should be removed from every last, it should be taken up with both the anime and manga project and the Japanese project. As it is, this is in keeping with all relevant guidelines. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine/market/souleater/ deadlinks

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Not that I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the deadlink. Thanks for checking. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Prose looks good in the lead. Gary King (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comments, since only one volume has been released in English yet, I'm guessing the other English titles are all unofficial translations? This should probably be noted somewhere. Volume 13's summary seems a little short compared to the rest? Why isn't the anime adaptation mentioned in the lead? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• English titles in Yen Press are still the same I believe, so I don't think it's necessary. The volume 13 summary is short because that's basically all that happens. Think of your typical shōnen manga series. And added a mention of the anime to the lead. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Alrighty, looks good and understandable on #13. Only other question would be should the "Chapters not yet in tankōbon format" be sourced (presumably to the Yen Press issues they were published in? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Not necessary per precedent with past lists and their respective nominations. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Good to know. :) Minor note, but that section uses the term tankōbon, but the lead pipes it with "bound volumes" which isn't consistent. Otherwise, all looks good. Sources are fine, prose reads well, don't see any unsourced stuff. So Support. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed last comment. Thanks, — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The series follows the adventures of three meisters, students at a school called Shibusen who utilize demon weapon companions with human and weapon forms." Unclear, are meisters "students at a school called Shibusen" or "students who utilize demon weapon companions with human and weapon forms"?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Maka Albarn and her weapon partner Soul Eater manage to gather the souls of ninety-nine evil humans, and only need the soul of a witch to turn Soul Eater into a death scythe. They manage to find a witch and defeat her; however, she is a magical cat, and Shinigami confiscates all of Maka's souls." Repetition of "manage to".

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "a swordsman so powerful his soul is the equivalent of ninety-nine souls"-->a swordsman whose soul is the equivalent of ninety-nine souls. Additionally, I think you might enclose this info in em dashes rather than commas as this interruption in flow is rather sharp.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Shibusen has a major examination" Isn't Shibusen the school? How can a school take a test?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Soul, Kid, and Black Star all fail the test, Maka scores the highest in the class" Why is it surprising that Maka scores well on the test even though the aforementioned three fail?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Shibusen holds a celebration to mark the anniversary of its creation." Again, if Shibusen is a school, then founding would be a better word than "creation".

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Medusa stages an attack on Shibusen with Eruka, five members of the Mizune family, Crona, and Free in order to awaken the original kishin, Asura, who is imprisoned underneath Shibusen."

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Maka detects a presence inside one of Giriko's golems, and it is revealed to be a witch, Arachne, who Shinigami defeated in the past."-->Maka detects a presence inside one of Giriko's golems. The presence is revealed to be a witch, Arachne, whom Shinigami defeated in the past.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Medusa's remains enter a small girl, who Medusa uses as her host." "who"-->whom.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "in order to increase Stein's insanity."

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Death Scythe tells Stein that he believes that he is not the killer"—Ambiguous, too many "he"'s.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "he is able to fully utilize Tsubaki's demon"—"utilize"-->use.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, I have never heard of Soul Eater, but it was easy to understand. Sources are okay.Tintor2 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, Having been working with this article for a while now, I'm pleased to see it reach such high quality, especially with the chapter summaries.--十八 00:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, Seems like a solid piece of work. Doceirias (talk) 03:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of universities in Nova Scotia

I am submitting my first list for the FLC Contest. Please participate if you've got something to comment on! The map was created by Matthewedwards, by the way :) Gary King (talk) 20:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 21:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment
  • Just like all the other universities in a province articles, the articles starting with, "University" should be sorted out by the name of the university without the "University of" (bad wording). -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 03:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • "Dalhousie University is the only university in Nova Scotia that is a member of the Group of Thirteen, a group of leading research-intensive universities in Canada, when it was added to the group (previously named the Group of 10) in April 2006 along with the University of Calgary and University of Ottawa" – feels like two sentences unsuccessfully spliced together. How about "... research-intensive universities in Canada. It was added to the Group [capital letter?] in April 2006..."?
  • Is there any way of getting the map so that the names don't overwrite each other? Perhaps use "1", "2", "3" and a key underneath?
• Otherwise, looks good. Bencherlite^Talk 22:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. I've notified Matthewedwards about the map, as he made it and I'm no expert with it. Gary King (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Overwrite each other? As in on top of each other? I don't see it. Can you make a screenshot or describe exactly what's happening? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:NSmap problem.jpg shows what I see. Same problem (but worse, as more overlapping labels) at Image:Universities in Québec.svg. Bencherlite^Talk 21:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you using a different skin from the default Wikipedia skin? Because the text is not nearly as big for me as it is for you; the text is small enough that they don't overlap for me. Gary King (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That certainly is strange. Here's what I see: Image:Nova scotia FLC prob.jpg, on a 26" widescreen at 1360px x 768px. As you can see from the original picture, Image:Universities in Nova Scotia.svg, the text is not on the image, it's done through Template:Nova Scotia universities map, which utilises Template:Image label begin and Template:Image label small for the text. Do Template:NFL Labelled Map and Template:Lanarkshire and Ayrshire Railway Map do the same thing? They use the same two templates Image label templates. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, those others are OK. I'm using Firefox and the default skin, btw. So it seems to be just me, then? (Mind you, my large-screen laptop required a tweak to be made to AWB at one stage so that the scroll-bars worked...). So, with that sorted, it's a support. Bencherlite^Talk 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support but for...

• "Two universities, the Atlantic School of Theology and the University of King's College, do not have graduate level programs. " seems oddly placed in that paragraph.
• Location(s) doesn't need the (s).

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I shuffled the lead around a bit. Gary King (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from SatyrTN

• The lede is longer than the list. Heck, the References are longer than the list. Can the lede be trimmed?
• Update the key to read "U – Undergraduate enrollment; P – Postgraduate enrollment; T – Total enrollment"?
• Otherwise, things look good. From a "Contest" perspective, using the shortest list of Universities of any province (unless List of universities in Nunavit is shorter?) is tricky :)
• Conditional Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. I don't see a problem with a longer lead. It gives some useful background information on the universities in the province, why they are founded in that order, etc. Gary King (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Um - but it is longer than the list. It's not a show stopper, but would you revisit to see if it can be trimmed at all? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed a paragraph's worth of text. Gary King (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• The images in the Universities section should have periods at the end of their captions.
• "The oldest university in the province is the University of King's College, established in 1789, while the newest university is Cape Breton University, established in 1974." "while"-->and.
• "University student enrollment in Nova Scotia ranges from the smallest university, the Atlantic School of Theology, with 140 students, and the largest university, Dalhousie University, with 15,140 students."-->University student enrollment in Nova Scotia ranges from the Atlantic School of Theology with 140 students to Dalhousie University with 15,140 students.
• "Dalhousie University, first known as Dalhousie College, was established in Halifax in 1820 with the help of the Presbyterian Church, while Acadia University was founded by Baptists." "while"-->and. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment' : picture captions: "Dalhouse University has the largest student enrollment.", "The University of King's College is the oldest university." I supppose that it's all relative inside the province, but it's not clear from the text. --Qyd (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 02:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I think you need to use a single source that establishes the set of universities. Although this lists only 10 (not AST), this, this and this all list 11 and seem to use "degree-granting institution" as their definition. Can you pick one as the source for your first sentence in the lead. You might also want to edit the template at the bottom to list University of King's College and leave a note on the talk page as to what definitive source should be considered (looking at the history of that template, there's a lot of original research going on). I'm assuming all of the second lead paragraph is sourced to the eBook rather than your own personal observation. Since the book doesn't appear to have pages in the online edition, can you at least indicate the chapter where you got this info. Colin°^Talk 19:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 02:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by The Strokes

Gary King (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SRX

Comments

• The Strokes is a BRIT Award-winning American alternative rock band that has been hailed as the "saviors of rock and roll". - 1)is --> (should be) are (for past tense). 2)Is "saviors of rock and roll" a common thing for them? If not, then it should be removed but if it is then it's okay.
• Formed in New York City in 1999, the band consists of Julian Casablancas (vocals), Nick Valensi (lead guitar), Albert Hammond Jr. (rhythm guitar), Nikolai Fraiture (bass) and Fabrizio Moretti (drums). - link to NYC?
• The Strokes has released three studio albums, all on the RCA Records record label: Is This It (2001), Room on Fire (2003), and First Impressions of Earth (2006). - has --> (should be) have (past tense)
• The band has been on hiatus since the release of their last album. - and their last album was?
• It has also been nominated for Best International Band at the NME Awards in 2003, 2006 (which it won), and 2007. - it? shouldn't it be they.

--S_RX 20:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Got them all. I've been working with so many British band lists lately that I got caught up in "are" and so when I switched back to American bands, I forced it all as "is" and sometimes that isn't correct. That's what happened here. D'oh! Gary King (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - after addressed concerns, this list meets the Featured List criteria.--S_RX 00:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - Please don't classify them as "award-winning" in the first sentence itself. It is discouraged because it immediately introduces a bias. THat "saviors of rock" is unnecessary too". Annd there's no need to ref basic info like band members' and albums' names indopug (talk) 15:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Those are fine, but why remove the references? It certainly doesn't hurt to still have those; it makes it easier to verify if anyone ever wants to. The albums and the band members are not common knowledge, like how the Earth revolves around the Sun. And the fact that the band is on hiatus should also certainly be sourced, so I don't understand why that reference was removed. Gary King (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think something like "John Lennon was a member of The Beatles"--even if it isn't Earth-revolves-around-the-sun-esque common knowledge--needs a ref. You were right about the hiatus though. indopug (talk) 15:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of WarCry band members

I'm nominating this list because in my opinion, meets the FLC. It shows the references (are from spanish sources but well-quoted and showing the actual names and dates of retrievement. It tells "everything" related to how the members joined and departed from the band. It shows a timeline with the dates for "album releases" and when the members formed part of the group. I really think this article meets the FLC.  Rockk3r Spit it Out! 06:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

*Support - as nominator  Rockk3r Spit it Out! 04:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 03:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• "from Avalanch." – "from another band, Avalanch."
• "with the songs they had composed in their spare time. " – "with songs they composed in their spare time. "
• "Avalanch disapproved of the project, and expelled them from the band. " – up until this point I thought they were already expelled. It's gotta be made clearer that the events before this sentence took place before their expulsion.
• "as soon as they were joining the band." – "as soon as they formed the band."
• "Their second work was" – "Their second album was"
• "at the end of 2002" – "in late 2002"
• "The band embarked on a supporting tour throughout Spain, which lasted a year." – "The band embarked on a year-long supporting tour throughout Spain."

The article still needs a copyedit. I stopped at "The band embarked on a supporting tour throughout Spain, which lasted a year." Gary King (talk) 20:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• "ejected in August 2007, which ocurred on amicable terms." – "ejected in August 2007 on amicable terms."
• "A month later was revealed" – "A month later it was revealed"

Gary King (talk) 03:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done: I already fixed all the mistakes you found. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 02:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Not neccessary, but could any English language references be found?
• Change publisher names to full names instead of website names, for example maxmetal.net to Max Metal.

Overall, good looking article, all previous members seem to be sourced in the lead. Sunderland06 (talk) 01:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Done: The references show the publusher name, but I couldn't find th references in English. Found some English refs in different places, but they're not reliable at all, or are just commercial sites which show info posted only by fans. Hope this doesn't affect it significantly. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 03:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - List is complete, although english sources would be nice I'm sure it isn't really a neccessity to have them. Good job. Sunderland06 (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done: I changed some Spanish references with 2 in English (one from the english version of their website, and the other one from allmusic.) Rockk3r Spit it Out! 02:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I've been thinking, you know where you have the quote of the spanish section in the referece, would it not be possible to have an english quote instead, as this is the english wikipedia, it'll help towards establising their reliability if people know what it says. Sunderland06 (talk) 18:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done: Instead of taking out the spanish quotes, I added the english translation to each quote. Now it tells the actual ref in Spanish (in italic font) followed by a divider (a dash) and the English translation at the end. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 05:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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Avatar: The Last Airbender (season 1)

previous FLC (20:02, 8 September 2008)

Well, I've waited around a month since the last FLC, given it several lookovers and I can't find anything else wrong. So, here is is again :) NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 02:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 5 is lacking a publisher

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 18:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Are there any negative reviews at all?

We couldn't seem to find any, even last time around. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Since the Pulcinella Awards do not have an article, you should explain what it is they honour

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Link to Annie Awards

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Each episode only has one director, so the (s) doesn't need to be there in the header

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why "Information obtained from TVShowsOnDVD.com on September 6, 2008." and "Information obtained from Amazon.com on August 06, 2008."? Just use the reference

I, uh, dunno.  Doing... NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Some ref formatting is needed. Websites shouldn't be italicised. For example, Ref [1]: ""Avatar Sneak Peak". Nick.com. Nickelodeon. Retrieved on 2008-05-29." you can remove "Nick.com" completely and keep "Nickelodeon" as the publisher. You should link them when they have articles, too

 Done. I think? NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Same with "Amazon.co.uk. Amazon.com, Inc." Remove "Amazon.co.uk"

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 04:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Unless the season is officially titled "Season One", don't refer to it as such. It is misleading. Just call it the "first season" and "this season", etc. but not "Season One".

I dunno about this, but I changed it to: "The first season (Book One: Water) of Avatar: The Last Airbender..." NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Later changed to "Season One (Book One: Water)"

• "best animated television series" – is this an official title? If so, then capitalize the words. If not, then is it just original research?

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 21:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "Pole, attempting" – "Pole and attempt"

They are going to the North Pole to find a teacher who lives there, so I think it is good at present. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"attempting" is not a verb; it is a noun. "attempting to find a Waterbending master to teach Aang and Katara" has no verb. Gary King (talk) 01:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

It can be either. In this particular case, it is a verb meaning "to try." *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "In the 2005 Pulcinella Awards, which gives awards for excellence in animation, Season One won "Best TV Series"." – "Season One won "Best TV Series" at the 2005 Pulcinella Awards, which gives awards for excellence in animation."

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• "In addition to awards, it attracted more than a million viewers each time the network aired a new episode, and earned the title of "Best Animated Television Series" in the boys 9–14 year old demographic." – a generally confusing sentence. How is awards related to how many viewers the season has had? "It" should probably be changed to "Season One" so that it does not seem like it's implying the "Pulcinella Awards". It should probably be reworded to something like "each episode had more than a million viewers"

Reworded to "Each episode of Season One attracted more than a million viewers each time the network aired a new episode.Season One won "Best TV Series" and "Best Animated Television Series" in the boys 9-14 year old [[demographic]] at the 2005 Pulcinella Awards, which gives awards for excellence in animation.<ref name="Pulcinella" />" NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 00:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Season One (Book One: Water) of Avatar: The Last Airbender, an American animated television series on Nickelodeon, began airing on February 21, 2005, and ended on December 2, 2005, with twenty episodes aired." How about: "Season One (Book One: Water) of Avatar: The Last Airbender, an American animated television series on Nickelodeon, aired 20 episodes from February 21, 2005 to December 2, 2005."

I like it. (yours, not the one that was in the article) *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The series was created by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko[3]" Inline citation needs to be outside punctuation.

 Done *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The season focuses on the protagonist, Aang, and his friends Katara and Sokka as they journey to the North Pole, attempting to find a Waterbending master to teach Aang and Katara." Delete the comma as well.

 Done Makes sense, especially seeing the contention over it.*SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "boys 9-14 year old" En dash instead of hyphen.

 Done *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Zach Tyler Eisen and Mae Whitman provided the voices of protagonists Aang and Katara, while Jack DeSena was Sokka's voice." "while"-->and, it is additive information.

What about "with"? *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

How would that work? Write how you would phrase the sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"Zach Tyler Eisen and Mae Whitman provided the voices of protagonists Aang and Katara, with Jack DeSena as Sokka's voice." Or something very similar. *SIGN* 03:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Dante Basco and Mako starred as antagonists Zuko and Iroh,[3] though their role in the show would begin to change near the end of the season."

 Done *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "9–14-year old" Why does this instance have a hyphen but the previous example of this phrase didn't?

Dunno, which is the correct one? *SIGN* 03:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Will look this up tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

From what I've seen, use the hyphenated version.

Don't they both have hyphens? *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to the one above this. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• "as well as attracting many age and gender grops in its pool of 1.1 million viewers who watch each new episode.-->and has attracted many age and gender groups in its pool of 1.1 million viewers of each new episode.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "a race of people that were believed to have been deceased for 100 years." For 100 years or 100 years ago?

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Meanwhile, Zuko, banished Prince of the Fire Nation," Needs a the before "banished".

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "is patrolling the seas looking for the Avatar"-->is patrolling the seas in search of the Avatar.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "who ban any sort of Earthbending"-->which bans any sort of Earthbending.

Isn't "who" the proper term here? Because people banned earthbending... *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, "Fire Nation" is not a person. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Aang has to travel to the Fire Temple in order to receive the message from Avatar Roku on the Winter Solstice.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "When Aang leaves the sanctuary, he is attacked by Zhao and the Sages, who are all defeated when Aang manifests the spirit of Roku, who destroys the temple." Repetition of "who".

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Aang sets off to a nearby herbalist institute in hopes of finding a cure for his friends." "sets off"-->goes.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Katara, Aang and Sokka to go into a village who relies solely on the predictions of a fortuneteller."-->Katara, Aang and Sokka go into a village that relies solely on the predictions of a fortuneteller.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Sokka, Aang and Katara locate a seemingly abandoned Water Tribe fleet ship" locate-->find.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The protagnonists travel into a Fire Nation town which is hosting a festival of Fire Nation culture. " Comma after town.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "More importantly, he is a firebending master not with the Firelord." Means?

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "A storyteller tells the gang of "air walkers" at the Northern Air Temple." Tells what?

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Unfortunately, the Fire Nation manages to recover the invention, a war balloon." "Unfortunately"-->However.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "After the journey to the Northern Air Temple, the group lurk"—lurks.

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Each DVD, with only one exception"

 Done *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "In the United States, all Season One DVDs were encoded using NTSC. Since this is not compatible in most countries outside North America, Nickelodeon had a separate release for each DVD, where the video would be encoded using PAL instead. These releases began on February 19, 2007, with each DVD release occurring months after the original release. As with the original DVDs, each set contained four episodes on one disc, with the exception would be The Complete Book One Collection Box Set, which contained all of the twenty episodes in the season on five discs." Rewrite:

In the United States, all Season One DVDs were encoded using the NTSC (film?) standard. Since this standard is not compatible in most countries outside North America, Nickelodeon released separate DVDs in regions where the video would be encoded using PAL instead. These releases began on February 19, 2007; each DVD release occurred months after the original release. As with the original DVDs, each set contained four episodes on one disc, except for The Complete Book One Collection Box Set, which contained all of the twenty episodes in the season on five discs.

NTSC is not standard. I have incorporated the other changes though. *SIGN* 23:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 13:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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Tampa Bay Rays seasons

I based the format of the article off of Boston Red Sox seasons which has FL status. All references are reliable, and featured list criteria appears to be meet. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 22:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good, but would it not be better to have a general reference for the season statistics. Sunderland06 (talk) 01:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 02:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Fully support the avoidance of concealed year-in-X links—excellent. But why not exclude "the" from the blue? Also, "the 1998 baseball season" halfway through made me wonder whether the previous ones weren't baseball seasons. I'd remove "baseball" as assumed by now. If I were the nominator, I'd link only the first "year-season", which happens to be 1998, and let it stand out as the gateway into all of its siblings. That way, the lead would be less of a sea of blue. The third alternative would be one that is currently under discussion at MOSNUM: not linking these at all in the main text, but listing them in a "See also" section, where they're nicely centralised and prominent. I see an autoformatted date; these are deprecated now. Tony (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from RyanCross

Comments from RyanCross:

• Link MLB.com in reference #1.

Done --Mr.crabby (Talk) 22:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Question: Why is the publisher for reference 4 italicized while the publisher for reference 6 is not? They are the both from the same publisher anyway (Baseball-Reference).

Re-formatted all references to be italicized and linked. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 22:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

– RyanCross (talk) 02:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

More...

• Delink publishers in references 2, 3, 5, and 6 – no need to overlink reference publishers. linking only once when the word is mentioned is enough.

– RyanCross (talk) 23:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Done --Mr.crabby (Talk) 02:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support – Looks like it meets featured list criteria from here. Well done, – RyanCross (talk) 04:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of American Idol finalists

I feel that this list meets the Featured list criteria. It is fully sourced and has gone through three copy-edits. Of course things may have been missed, so any concerns will be addressed.

This FLC is a part of the Featured list contest. iMatthew (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SrX

Comments

• During every season of American Idol, the final round of competition features twelve singers.1 The American talent reality television series first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. - to follow the flow of other FL leads, it would be better to state these 2 sentences in a different way such as American Idol is an American talent reality television series that first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. During each season, the final round of competition features twelve singers, the finalists. Also, why is it December 2008?
• Overall, Carrie Underwood, season four winner, holds the record for the biggest-selling American Idol album, as more than six million copies were sold in the United States.[1] - this sentence just stands out, you say overall like if you already stated other album sales.
• Runner up should have a dash.
• In the pre FLC review you told me that the notes couldn't go vice versa, if you use {{ref}} and {{note}} it is possible, just saying.

--S_RX 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

All are done. iMatthew (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - I was waiting for you to contact me to revisit here, but I guess you didn't want my vote, after the resolved concerns, it meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• Is http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/13980/irish-idol-smithsons-secret-past a reliable source?
• Sources look good otherwise. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 21:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Source replaced. iMatthew (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Suppport - With all of SRX's comments addressed, I see no reason why this shouldn't be a Featured list. Sunderland06 (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment
  • You should wikilink all the hometowns to their original articles.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Aren't they already? iMatthew (talk) 11:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just click on them, I'll see that they are redirects. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 18:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. iMatthew (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• A total of 106 contestants have made it to the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons. "Made it" → "reached".
• In the second season, finalist Corey Clark was disqualified after it was revealed that he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged with resisting arrest, battery upon his sister, and criminal restraint. Avoid using "after" twice in that sentence.
• Smithson remained on the show, and was placed sixth in her season. Remove "was".

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Done. iMatthew (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Mr.crabby

• Comments
• Maybe you should clarify what state Camile Velasco lives in.
• Brooklyn, NY Any reason this is abbreviated, but no other states are?
• Albemarie, North Carolina, as a native North Carolianian, I can confirm that it is actually spelled Albemarle, North Carolina
• Why aren't town such as Albemarle, North Carolina; East Amherst, New York; Haiku, Maui; and Town & Country, Missouri linked?

--Mr.crabby (Talk) 18:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• All are done. iMatthew (talk) 18:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - my issues have been resolved and article now seems to meat FL criteria. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose reluctantly for now Comments

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• I removed the empty External links section; however, on second thought, I think you should re-add it, with a link to the season's webpage; if there isn't one dedicated to the season, then link to American Idol's website.
• "series first aired in 2002" – "series that first aired in 2002" – otherwise, the tense just jumps from present to past
• "2002, and as" – "2002. As"
• Sort the names by last name first; use {{sortname}}
• "the final round of competition featured twelve singers" – "the final round of competition features twelve singers" – since the show is still running
• "top twelve (or ten) of" – should be explained that some seasons have had top tens before this is mentioned
  • See the first footnote in the sentence before that.
    • Should be in the prose though; it can't be assumed that the reader will click on the footnote. At the worse case, it could be in brackets. Gary King (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age." – isn't this because they have rules that don't allow people outside of those ages to enter the competition? Should be mentioned
• There's a few more of these types of problems throughout the article. Ping me when they're done. Cheers!

Gary King (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age, as that is the show's age requirements." – rewrite as something like "16 to 29 is the show's age requirements"; that's the only point it needs to get across. People will infer from that that finalists can't be outside of those ages."biggest-selling " – "higehst-selling "; biggest and best aren't really comparable adjectives
• "as more " – "with more "
• "During season five, voters claimed that phone calls dialed for Chris Daughtry during the first few minutes of voting were misrouted to Katharine McPhee's lines, when they heard her recorded message thanking them for voting for McPhee." – why's this first in the paragraph if it's season five info?

Gary King (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Done with everything. iMatthew (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

• Can you help me with your statement in lead which says: " The album sold 378 copies, and is now available on iTunes.[4]"? Your ref [4] seems to say " " the CD sold fewer than 400 copies in its first three months of release" which isn't quite what your statement says, nor does it mention iTunes...
• Why isn't MCA records linked?
• " the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons" - why not just "the final of their seasons" - or better? right now it reads awkwardly.
• "ages of 16 and 29 years of age" - age x 2
• "he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged" this sentence reads clumsily.
• "The age with the most contestants is 24, including no winners, and one runner-up." - this is awful - a trivial statement and "including no winners" - poor.
• Consistent linking of seasons in captions should be considered.
  • It isn't already? iMatthew (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
    • No. Check the lead image caption. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
• "Contestant's age at the time the season was filmed" - was the season filmed on one day? Are you sure none of the 106 had a birthday during the season? Just need to be more precise.
• Just one contestant without an article? Seems a shame...
  • What should I do about that? Create the article? iMatthew (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Why not?The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I've addressed your concerns. iMatthew (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I got the image concern - and I'll try to get article going tonight, maybe expand it some and grab a DYK?;) Is that all? iMatthew (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Support my concerns addressed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Washington Nationals Opening Day starting pitchers

I have nominated the list as part of an expansion of other comparable lists. This one offers additional information about the reason that so few home games were played on Opening Day and other historical facts, along with an assortment of relevant images. Alansohn (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved concerns from SrX

Comments

• Liván Hernández has the worst winning percentage as the Opening Day starting pitcher with a record of 0–3, all of which were pitched on the road. - worst is not adhering to a NPOV.
• 1981 Opening Day pitcher Steve Rogers, facing Phillies ace Steve Carlton, won the first game of the series by a score of 3&nash;1. - 1)facing' -->(should be) faced (for past tense) 2)typo in the em/endash.
• The score should be in a {{sort}} template.
• Why does one of the scores have {10 innings)?
• Which source is verifying the attendance?

--S_RX 20:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Liván Hernández has the worst" -- Done, changed to "lowest"
• "1981 Opening Day pitcher Steve Rogers, facing" -- Done, 1) changed to "faced", other cleanup in tense, 2) nash fixed to ndash
• Why does one of the scores have {10 innings)? -- Reply, three of the games went into extra innings
• Which source is verifying the attendance? -- Reply, the second source in each entry, provides the game details, including stadium and attendance.
• The score should be in a {{sort}} template. -- Done Sort can be done based on number of runs scored by Expos/Senators. Alansohn (talk) 07:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - resolved comments to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from RyanCross

Comments from RyanCross:

• Consider making ref 1 just a general reference. - Done
• You probably don't need to link all Baseball-Reference and The New York Times words. Linking it the first time it is mentioned once is fine. - Reply my understanding per WP:REF is that the links to Baseball-Reference and The New York Times are appropriate, especially as rearranging portions of the article can change which appears first. I will be happy to make the change if this is what needs to be doen/

• Very well then. I was only using the idea from List of New York Mets Opening Day starting pitchers, a current FL. Thanks, – RyanCross (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Avoid small fonts – no need - Done

– RyanCross (talk) 02:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good now. Thank you for your contributions, – RyanCross (talk) 01:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - It looks great. Only comment is that I think it would look better with the "Decision" column and probably the "Score" column centered. Rlendog (talk) 02:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Done both columns have been centered. Alansohn (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Support - Excellent job! Rlendog (talk) 00:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from K.Annoyomous

Support Excellent job on this article! -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Comment Liván Hernández only had a 0-2 record since one of them was a no decision, even though they lost. --Patrick (talk) 03:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Done thanks for the catch of my error. This has been corrected. Alansohn (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk) Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) In the 1981 row, you forgot to add asterisks as specified in the key. - Done First image caption: "Liván Hernández, one of three pitchers to start on Opening Day three times. Started Opening Day 2004-2006."-->Liván Hernández, one of three pitchers to start on Opening Day three times. He started Opening Day from 2004 to 2006. - Done Last image caption: "Odalis Pérez, the 2008 Opening Day starter in the team's first game at Nationals Park, their current stadium." Should not have a period. - Done Year ranges should not have en dashes when preceded by "from": "from 1969–1976"-->from 1969 to 1976 - Done "from 1977–2004"-->from 1977 to 2004 - Done "from 2005–2007"-->from 2005 to 2007 - Done "Olympic Stadium, their home from 1977–2004 hosted six Opening Day games, with five different Expos starters accumulating a record of 0–3 (and three no-decisions)."-->Olympic Stadium, their home from 1977 to 2004, hosted six Opening Day games; five different Expos starters accumulated a record of 0–3 (and three no-decisions). - Done "The team was known as the Montreal Expos for 1969 to 2004." "for"-->from. - Done Overlinking of "No decision". - Done second reference was unlinked "1981 Opening Day pitcher Steve Rogers, faced Phillies ace Steve Carlton, and won the first game of the series by a score of 3–1." Add "In" before "1981", delete the comma after "Rogers", add "the" before "Opening". - Done More comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC) I've taken care of the first wave. Thanks for the updates and improvements. Let me know if there are any other suggestions or questions I can address. Alansohn (talk) 04:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC) "Until 1988, early season cold weather kept the Expos on the road for their first 19 Opening Day games, when the availability of Olympic Stadium and its retractable roof allowed Dennis Martínez to become the starting pitcher of the team's first opening day home game."-->For their first 19 Opening Day games, early season cold weather kept the Expos on the road. In 1988, the availability of Olympic Stadium and its retractable roof allowed the team to have its first Opening Day home game, in which Dennis Martínez was the starting pitcher. - Done "The team won the NL Division Series to become Eastern Division champions, winning three games to two over Philadelphia Phillies, who had been the first-half champion, with a 34–21 record."-->The team won the NL Division Series three games to two over the Philadelphia Phillies, the first-half champion(s?), to become Eastern Division champions, with a 34–21 record. Who had the 34–21 record? - Done removed the two extraneous commas after Phillies to clarify that they won the first-half and what their record was in the first half of that season. "As the Washington Nationals, the team played their home games at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium from 2005 to 2007, with their only home opener there a 9–2 loss in 2007 by starter John Patterson."-->As the Washington Nationals, the team played their home games at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium from 2005 to 2007; their only home opener there was a 9–2 loss in 2007 by starter John Patterson. - Done In the table, there are links that go to the individual season pages, but look like solitary year links. Could you add a note in the key, like List of Nashville Sounds managers? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC) - Done The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.