Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Alice Roosevelt

Alice Roosevelt

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 19 May 2016 at 03:18:40 (UTC)

Original – Hand-tinted photograph of Alice Roosevelt by Frances Benjamin Johnston

Reason: One of the most famous images of her. The hand-tinting isn't perfect, but it's not bad.
Articles in which this image appears: Alice Roosevelt, List of children of the Presidents of the United States
FP category for this image: She was a writer, so let's go with Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/People/Artists_and_writers, as her other work doesn't classify as well.
Creator: Frances Benjamin Johnston; restored by Adam Cuerden

Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 03:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Not sure she makes the grade in terms of notability. Sca (talk) 14:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sca: I think her article makes an excellent case for her notability. She was very politically active, and created plenty of scandals in her day. We have FPs on far less notable people. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, notability can be debated. My thought was, she was notable then, and is notable now, mainly for being the daughter of Teddy Roosevelt. Other than that, she was known for being a celebrity and sometime political gadfly. (The only president's daughter I can think of offhand who achieved notability on her own is Caroline Kennedy, now ambassador to Japan.)

I like the soufflé quote at the end of her article, though. Sca (talk) 18:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sca: I'd argue that, given she has her own article, with sufficient sources that show she's been the subject of lengthy coverage in her own right, that's enough for FPC, but we can go well beyond that for her. There's four different book-length biographies cited, after all: J. Brough (1975), H. Teichmann (1979), Carol Felsenthal (1988), and S. A. Cordery (2007) - and you could argue Michael Teague's 1981 book counts as well. And they're all by major publishers. There's also several Time and Salon.com articles. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no separate bar of notability for FPC. If she's notable enough for Wikipedia, she's notable enough for FPC. Otherwise we'd have people going "Oppose: I've never heard of Mochtar Lubis. He can't be notable enough for FPC". The only way we can stay objective is not have separate bars. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Famous for being famous – or infamous. Yawn. Sca (talk) 01:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the implication is that Paris Hilton could have an FP. And? Do you have an argument for having a notability threshhold that doesn't boil down to ... "Yawn"? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I outlined my view of the subject above. Yawn means I don't find her story of compelling interest. Your view is that the achievements of a subject are irrelevant to an FP nom. That may be so according to the multifaceted rule book (devised by others), but I don't think that notion serves encyclopedia readers very well.

There's nothing wrong with the picture. Please note that my post was a comment, not an oppose.

Are you arguing for an FP of Paris H.? Saints preserve us! Sca (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Paris H. Not with anything in the present article (the lede image is nice at thumbnail size, but falls flat at full resolution, which is under the minimum anyways) but if we were to get something that met the technical criteria, I wouldn't be opposed to it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support these 19 years, frozen in time, assuming the eye and hair color are true. Brandmeister^talk 14:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Jobas (talk) 19:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support TomStar81 (Talk) 02:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Alice Roosevelt by Frances Benjamin Johnston.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]