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default password

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I forget my windows password and also linux password.So I want to know what its default password?Iloveugourab 00:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Default password for what? Wikipedia has no default password. --rogerd 00:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Linux does not have a default password either. -- Kainaw(what?) 00:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basic editing question

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I'm trying to edit a new page on created called "bandonym" but most of my edits are not appearing. Am I blocked from making further edits until it gets reviewed or something? Rick Martell 03:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rick. I'm not positive, but I think you're just experiencing a bit of lag in the servers. Your block log is clean, and if you look at the history of the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bandonym&action=history), you can see all of your edits. Does that answer your question? *Cremepuff222* 03:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it does, thanks. I will check in on the page later.Rick Martell 03:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

bpo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.106.222 (talk) 04:06, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Web browser search field?

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Hi

My name is Erik Moberg and I wonder if it is possible to get a search field for wikipedia in the toolbar of ones web browser. Just like the one that's available from google, which I really like.

Thanks!


Erik —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.69.22.162 (talk) 04:53, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

If you're using Firefox as your browser, you can try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:4. Click on the word Wikipedia and it will add it to your browser's search capability. Also, here's instructions on how to activate the Wikipedia button for Google's toolbar -- http://www.worldstart.com/tips/tips.php/3531.
Jim Dunning | talk 05:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Internet Explorer 7 has Wikipedia as one of its search fields as default (along with Google, IMDB, Amazon, and can be customised with pretty much any other site you want). Neil ム 10:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User Page Appearing in Categories

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When I add some items to categories my user page appears in the category list. I would like to know how to remove it and what I am doing wrong so I can stop it from happening in future. Thanks! Britmax 09:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Britmax/Workshop has some categories in it. What you want to do is [[:Category:Railway stations in Dorset]], notice the ":" before the Category. It won't show up the categories then. Woodym555 10:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For the stubs you can do this {{tl|SouthWestEngland-railstation-stub}} which will show up as this {{SouthWestEngland-railstation-stub}}. This means it won't show up in the stubs page either. I have done it for you in your workshop. Hope this helps. Woodym555 10:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How to save to local disk with skin?

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I frequently save copies of Wikipedia articles to disk so that I can access them when I am not online; when they are opened they do not appear with any skin - how can I save a page for offline use and have it appear as it did when I was online?

Thanks

Julian I Do Stuff 10:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to save the actual CSS files (they are listed at WP:CSS#Stylesheets and JavaScript, default is Monobook,) and then change the source code of the pages to point to the files on your hard disk.--Max Talk (+) 10:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info Max. No further action required.
FYI: whilst I might do that sometime, I had already had a look at the page source and, not being terribly good at HTML (though I did figure out how to indent this:) it wasn't apparent what tags should be edited and how. Maybe Wikipedia page code could be amended some day to include the stylesheets automatically?
Julian I Do Stuff 10:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NB - the issue above applies to Firefox (v2.0.0.6) when attempting to save as "webpage complete"; if however I save as .mht from IE7 (v7.0.6000.16512) the page appears offline as it did online.
Hope that's of use for future reference.
Julian I Do Stuff 11:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You might also want to see: Wget#Using Wget and Download manager. You can also run your own personal wiki with a dump of the Wikipedia database. --Teratornis 14:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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HI There,

I am a contractor that works for Accenture.

We do a newsletter every month for Financial Services called the Point - We would like to add a link onto Wikipedia that links to the Point:http://www.accenture.com/Global/Services/By_Industry/Financial_Services/Insurance/The_Point/Y2007/fsi_thepoint52a.htm

How do I go about this?

Kind Regards

Bronwyn 0)11 875 4608 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bron01 (talk • contribs) 11:31, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

You just did. -- Kainaw(what?) 12:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you're talking about advertising your newsletter, Wikipedia does not provide means for advertisement. Leebo T/C 13:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The proper format for an external link is as follows:
[http://www.website.com Page Title]
which would produce:
Page Title.
And, as mentioned, please be sure to review What Wikipedia is not and the external links policy. Also, external links should be placed either in the "External Links" section of an article, or properly formatted as reliable sources using the proper citation style, and not placed into an article as URLs (See Manual of Style). Hope that helps, Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 13:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

10/100 BASE

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What is ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.204.151.240 (talk) 14:02, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

See: Ethernet over twisted pair. Also try: Google:10/100 base. --Teratornis 14:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About new profile in Wikipedia

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Hi there,

I would like to find out how can new profile be added to Wikipedia? The person is famious enough (Television host)in Lithuania and we thought how can we search for more information or add new about current person we looking for? 81.138.14.33 15:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Have a look at Help:Starting a new page. KTC 15:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! And welcome! We're always happy to have new articles, but please be aware that your idea of notability may not align with the requirements of Wikipedia. To that end, you can begin with reviewing the notability policy. Biographies must cite reliable sources as references to the article, and not contain original research. Also, see what Wikipedia is not, and the biographies of living persons policy. After reviewing those, if you'd like to submit it, including the third-party reliable sources as references, to Wikipedia:Articles for creation, feel free to do so. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 15:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflcit) You do need to be a registered user to create a new article. Alternatively, consider going to WP:AFC or WP:RA. KTC 15:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An\a

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In this instance, which is gramatically correct - a historical church, or an historical church? Simply south 15:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikitionary, the correct usage here would be "a historical church." Since the h is pronounced, the word doesn't start with a vowel sound, so would use a instead of an. Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merriam-Webster is a little more relaxed: it allows either, according to individual pronunciation. For some users of British English it depends on whether or not the word is derived from French: whether conscious of the derivation or not they would use "an" before such words as hotel, history, honourable. I'm quoting from Discrimination between a and an. --Old Moonraker 16:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It depends whether you drop your aitches or not when speaking (A historical, An 'istorical). However in writing, you don't write "'istorical", so it's always "a historical", "a hotel", "a honourable gesture", and so on. Neil ム 10:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do I upload an article on a new topic?

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I wanted to know how to upload an article on a new topic. Samdak 16:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copy and pasted straight from 2 topic above this one. KTC 16:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at Help:Starting a new page. KTC 15:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello! And welcome! We're always happy to have new articles, but please be aware that your idea of notability may not align with the requirements of Wikipedia. To that end, you can begin with reviewing the notability policy. Biographies must cite reliable sources as references to the article, and not contain original research. Also, see what Wikipedia is not, and the biographies of living persons policy. After reviewing those, if you'd like to submit it, including the third-party reliable sources as references, to Wikipedia:Articles for creation, feel free to do so. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 15:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
(Edit conflcit) You do need to be a registered user to create a new article. Alternatively, consider going to WP:AFC or WP:RA. KTC 15:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I need help

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To expand and modify this article I have created on a major news event South Greece earthquake 2007. The sunder king 16:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WT:GREECE might be a good place to find other editors who would be interested. Leebo T/C 16:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce Rushin

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I would like to add some more information about Bruce Rushin. I am his daughter and could make the entry more informative. How do I go about doing this? Emily Rushin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.41.134 (talk) 17:16, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for expressing interest in improving the encyclopedia! Bruce Rushin's article is currently a stub, and could probably use a rewrite with expansion. As a direct relative, you would have to be very careful about adding content to the article. You would have to make sure that any information you add is verifiable through reliable sources (you cannot add first-hand accounts, they must be published by independent sources). Also, it may be difficult for you to remain neutral when writing about your father, which could present a conflict of interest. If you want to make uncontroversial changes (grammar, spelling, formatting) that's probably fine. If you want to add substantial content, I would recommend discussing/proposing it first at Talk:Bruce Rushin before adding it to the article. If you keep our policies of neutrality and verifiability in mind, you should be okay. Leebo T/C 17:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cannot move an entry

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I'm working on the entry for "Special Effects," and I would like to retitle it "Special Visual Effects" with appropriate redirects. However, even though my account is more than four days old, I do not see the "Move" option on any of my menus. What can I do to retitle this entry?

Brian Siano 17:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your account will turn four days old in 40 minutes; your log says that it was create on 18:00 24 August 2007. :D Maxim(talk) 17:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get off sock puppet?

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Someone, perhaps maliciously, has marked me as a ‘sock puppet’. I object and insist that I am not a sock puppet. How can I undo this?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomCat111 (talk • contribs) 17:53, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

You jumped into Wikipedia and immediately set off adding controversial edits to a controversial page. That is what marks you as a sock puppet. It usually happens when a person's primary account is blocked due to excessive reverts or a person wants to make it appear that more people supports his/her controversial view. I suggest backing off the edits you've been pushing and discussing them on the article's talk page. That is not what a sockpuppet normally does. -- Kainaw(what?) 18:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but no thanks. You haven't answered my question. Besides, you have a pretty notorious reputation in Wikipedia, so I would appreciate if you never ever crossed my path. Thanks.--TomCat111 18:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not attack people. That won't help your case.--Max Talk (+) 18:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually your user page contains a {{sock}} template which merely claims the person who put it there suspects you are a sock puppet. One obvious way to remove the template would be for you to dispel such suspicions by making a substantial number of good-faith contributions to unrelated articles. In other words, establish a diverse record of contributions to Wikipedia, so it doesn't appear as if your edit history begins with you already possessing considerable editing skills, and with only a single (controversial) topic of interest. Read the sock puppet page for the symptoms of sock puppetry, and try not to exhibit them. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so what matters on Wikipedia is the degree to which a contributor promotes the goal of building up the encyclopedia. In contrast, an editor with a single interest seems to care more about that interest than about the encyclopedia project. Also, you undermine your denial of sock puppetry by alleging something about Kainaw's reputation on Wikipedia - your contributions only go back one week; if you were a new user, acting independently, how could you know much about "the" reputation of specific users? I've been editing here for more than a year, and I know nothing about Kainaw's supposed reputation (as if a Wikipedia contributor would only have one reputation anyway). --Teratornis 20:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Teratornis, thank you for taking time to explain. I have been registered with Wikipedia, for at least a couple of years. Wikipedia can run a check on my IP and see if its the same IP that I've registered with, plus this IP couldn't have been used by any other name or pseudonym. If I was a veteran then why would I be wasting my time here asking these questions? that leaves the mystery of how I have learned about Kainaw’s reputation; the answer is very simple, just click on his name and read the comments on the very top. These comments are anything but flattering. Why I am interested in editing the pages I am editing? The answer is, while doing some research, I came across these pages and realized they were highly biased and did not present the true picture; therefore, I added some of the information I had already collected for my another article. As Floyd once said, sometimes ‘a cigar is just a cigar’. Hope that makes sense. Thanks.--TomCat111 22:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I worked long and hard for those comments. I regret that I never got a good insult from Zephram Stark. I tried - I really tried. He called me unAmerican, ignorant, blind, and many other things. He just never gave me a good snippet to work with. Perhaps he knew I was just trying to get a good insult out of him and refused to give one up. -- Kainaw(what?) 02:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice if Wikipedia users had to demonstrate a firm grasp of the style over substance fallacy before being able to participate. But then Wikipedia would be a lot smaller. --Teratornis 18:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Content

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I would like to add content to a pre-existing page (and be certain that I am doing it correctly/not stepping on toes). The page in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceworker.

• Is it OK to add content to this page (not change what others have written-- only add)?
• Is it OK to use content from another (non copyrighted) website w/ the permission of the other site's owner? If I do borrow content, must it be sited?

Thanks for the help.

Cheers, Wikitombo 18:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Wikitombo[reply]

I would like to insert the following content:

See WP:BOLD - Be bold and make changes. Others will undo it if you make mistakes. You'll learn and do better next time (assuming you don't do great the first time). -- Kainaw(what?) 18:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, Kainaw. Wikipedia assumes that all information is copyrighted unless it is explicitly declared Public Domain or another free content license. You must get permission from the content owner to release the information under GFDL. In addition, the information you included above must be sourced with reliable sources. In addition, the above information should be removed as a copyvio. Corvus cornix 18:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(EC)To Wikitombo: Generally, you must not simply cut-n-paste content from other websites into Wikipedia articles. It is a pretty serious issue Wikipedia:Copyright violations that requires very close attention to ensure proper permissions. Please note this is not an accusation against you, it is just a reminder since a lot of the text you requested to add seems to be verbatim from pre-existing content already on the web, and there is no obvious indication that there is permission to re-use the text. dr.ef.tymac 18:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To Wikitombo: If there is some content that is already on the web, and you think it is appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia article, please read Wikipedia:External links. Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia, and thanks for taking a moment to ask how to use the site properly. If you need any further help, feel free to ask here. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 18:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Automated text and article uploads to Wikibooks

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I noticed after some searching-around and FAQ-reading that WP (apparently) does not have an API. I'd like to know what is the acceptable method (if any) of automating article edits and article creation. I'd also like to know the same answer for Wikipedia. There seems to be plenty of guidance for people who want to download from WP, but not much for people who do not do very well with editing and "cutting-n-pasting" into the TEXTAREA of a web-browser. dr.ef.tymac 18:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is an API for MediaWiki, but only for querying (downloading) rather than uploading, as far as I know. What you are asking about probably falls under external editing tools; see: WP:EITW#EdiS. However, wikitext editing uses what is probably one of the simplest markup languages around. Almost anybody who is smart enough to have something worthwhile to contribute to Wikipedia can readily learn enough wikitext editing to contribute it (perhaps an exception would be someone who has an emergency need to add content and no time to learn how, but on Wikipedia There is no deadline). Some of the template stuff gets ugly and complicated, but for basic text editing, probably 80% of what a new user needs to know is on the cheat sheet. The other 20% is easy enough to look up on Help:Editing. Or try watching the MediaWiki training videos. I have personally observed several people who did not begin with strong computer backgrounds being able to pick up enough wikitext editing to get comfortable pretty quickly. Wikipedia could not have gotten as large as it has (6,915,626 articles) if editing here was really very difficult. Even so, if you already have a large book and you want to input the whole thing to Wikibooks, it would be nice to have an automatic conversion method, but almost any automatic conversion would probably still leave you with lots of formatting that did not wikify very well, and you would have to edit it by hand anyway. Personally, I would like to see some XSLT stylesheets that would convert back and forth between wikitext and DocBook, because then one could use stylesheet customization to control the details for formatting conversions. However, XSLT syntax can be really brutal, in my opinion. --Teratornis 20:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adding content to pages

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I would like to add content to wikipedia for our organziation Marguerite Casey Foundation. I am having a hard time finding how to upload the information Could you please let me know how to do this and how to ensure that no one will edit the content Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey grants (talk • contribs) August 28 2007

I'll respond to your question in two parts. First, the second question: you can't ensure no one will edit the content. Wikipedia's Ownership article might help explain this policy to you. In part, it specifies that "As each edit page clearly states: If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Once you've submitted the information, editors may change it and probably will. --Moonriddengirl 19:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Second, to edit pages, you follow the same procedure you used to get your comment here, which is set forth more fully at how to edit a page. You can compose your information offline and paste it into the edit window, but be sure you are not overwriting existing material. Also, please ensure that the material conforms to Wikipedia's manual of style. To be included on Wikipedia, organizations must match notability requirements set out at Notability (organizations and companies), and third party verifiable references must be set out. Please be particularly careful if you plan to edit a page related to a company with which you are involved to maintain the requisite neutrality. Editing by users with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged because maintaining neutrality may be difficult. --Moonriddengirl 19:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table of Contents

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Does anyone know how to alter the TOC so as to make a very long list of headers appear in a few columns across the page instead of listed down. So for example instead of:

h
h
h
h
h
h
h
h
h
h
h
h

it might appear as:

h_______h_________h
h_______h_________h
h_______h_________h
h_______h_________h

and so would take up less vertical space on the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.108.70 (talk) 19:43, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EITW#Tab and WP:TM/TOC, which may or may not help. Basically, there are some compact TOC templates you can use, but only if the TOC you want to make matches the format of one of the templates. If an existing template does not do what you want, you might try designing another. --Teratornis 20:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Signature!

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Hey! I have bben seeing alot more custom signature styles! How do you set it up to make the four tildes turn into it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desalvionjr (talk • contribs) 20:07, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

well, to make your signature "appear" you simply, end your comments with the 4 tides, wiki will do the rest, to change what your signature looks like, go into "my preferences", and change it, you can do many things with it, like <sup>[[User:your username|your username here]]</sup> for example.--KerotanLeave Me a Message Have a nice day :) 20:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Was the irony of non signing the question intended? :) Leebo T/C 20:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just plain forgot!Oh i alredy knew how to add it! Desalvionjr 20:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

how to un delete a wiki

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Recently a wiki page belonging to an artist, James De La Vega has been deleted by a moderator. Mr. De La Vega is an important figure in the nyc community amongst artist and art activist. How might someone revive a deleted wiki page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunchtkts (talk • contribs) 20:32, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

See WP:WWMPD. --Teratornis 20:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in this case the article, "James De La Vega" was deleted by User:Kurykh after a "Proposed deletion" tag was attached to it. According to the PROD page, "Articles deleted under this procedure (using the {{prod}} tag) may be undeleted, without further discussion, on a reasonable request. Any administrator can be asked to do this (or perform this action themselves), or a request may be made at Deletion Review, but such undeleted articles are able to be speedily deleted or nominated for deletion under the usual rules, should they meet those more stringent criteria." If you think you can make the article meet the notability requirements, ask Kurykh to undelete it. However, if it still fails to meet notability requirements, it will deleted per WP:AfD.--Max Talk (+) 23:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leadership

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Just a couple of weeks ago, i had researched leadership and its various aspects.I had found several information through wikipedia. Infact i also saved it as my favourites for easier use. Last week when i tried to retrieve the link it had only basic information about leadership. whilst other information was missing. Kindly let me know if someone could resubmit that information at your earliest convenience in order for myself to work on my thesis. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and Regards,

Rishi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.92.190 (talk) 22:08, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

You might be looking for this version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leadership&oldid=151839480. You can check the page history of an article and check any previous edits by clicking the "history" tab at the top of the page. In this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leadership&action=history. The article was stubified because it was deemed by most editors to be spammy, Original research and generally not of a high quality so you might not want to base your thesis on it. Woodym555 22:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EDITING A SEMI-PROTECTED PAGE WHEN THE ADMINISTRATOR FAILS TO RESPOND

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How do I go about adding a fact to a semi-protected page? I am attempting to add the date of birth to the Michael Reghi page. His date of birth, as cited by Ohio court records in both the Rocky River Municipal Court and the Oberlin Municipal Court, is June 5, 1953. I e-mailed the individual "tawker" that took it upon himself to semi-protect the page, but he has not bothered to respond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidHemsath (talk • contribs) 22:19, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Since the page is only semi-protected, you should be able to edit in a few days (at 5:40 am, September 2nd, UTC). The reason you can't edit it now is because your account is new - to prevent vandalism, accounts must be at least four days old before they can create new pages, move pages, or edit semi-protected pages. The reason Tawker hasn't responded yet is because he is currently on a Wikibreak, taking a short vacation from editing Wikipedia. I'm sure that he had good reasons for protecting the page, in accordance with our protection policy, so please remember to assume good faith. In the meantime, you're welcome to request the change on the article's talk page, where I'm sure someone will fix it soon. And if they don't, you should be able to on the 2nd. Happy editing. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


custom wikitables

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Is there a way to create a table containing 

{| class="wikitable"
... table contents...
|}

and then modify the style of that entire table (for example, adding style="border:#abc")? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can customize a table inline, such as
{| style='border:3px outset blue;background:orange;'
|-
|this is some content
|}
I do not know how to add custom styles (such as using the <style> tag) in Wikipedia. -- Kainaw(what?) 00:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about that solution, but then I'd have to define a whole lot of style elements. I want to keep all of the wikitable style except the border. I can't figure out how to override part of a pre-defined class. Thanks for responding, though. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You only define what you want to override. The "cascading" part of CSS means that anything you don't define cascades down from previous definitions. So, if you only define a border, all other definitions will cascade from the pre-defined class. Or, am I completely misunderstanding what it is you want to do? -- Kainaw(what?) 02:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I want most of wikitable to cascade. The problem is that it doesn't work. I have an example in my sandbox that I'm working with, but the styles that should override wikitable don't change. Everything stays as the default wikitable. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have to try and find the wikitable style declaration. It is possible to make a setting that cannot be overridden. I hope that is not what they've done. -- Kainaw(what?) 12:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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