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December 25

noinclude style tags for cross-project use

Is there a tag (like the <noinclude> tags) that can be used to not pass certain information over to another project. Ie, can you put something between some tags on an image: page on commons which won't be shown on the other projects that use that image? Chris_huh^talk 01:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I have not heard of such a tag, which does not necessarily mean there is no way to do whatever you are trying to do. However, your question is ambiguous. In particular, these terms are vague:

• "certain information" - does this mean graphic information, or text information?
• "shown" - do you mean when [[image:...]] appears on "the other projects"?

If possible, please give a specific example of an image, a project, and what "information" you don't want to be "shown" on the project. Normally when we "show" an image on a project, only the image appears, not any of the text on the image page. If I'm guessing correctly about what you mean, I think when someone clicks on the image to view it, they browse to the image page on Commons, at which point they are no longer viewing the other project. It might be difficult to prevent the user from seeing some of the text based on the project they browsed from. An obvious but rather grotesque hack would be to upload multiple copies of the same image under different filenames, and type in different text for each image. Then you can more or less control what text a user could see, by linking to particular copies of the image from different projects. --Teratornis (talk) 17:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The question probably refers to the rendering on a local image page of the editable content on the image page on Commons, and it seems the answer is no, this applies even for content in noinclude tags, see m:Image:Tst.png.--Patrick (talk) 23:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, maybe it is not possible. What i was thinking of doing was have a Featured Picture star in the corner on commons (like the featured picture star on wikipedia). But i wouldnt want the star to show on other projects (ie wikipedia), as it could mess up page layouts. Chris_huh^talk 16:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

You can put the star but avoid an absolute position.--Patrick (talk) 17:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

But that would still mean the star would be shown in Wikipedia (wouldn't it?), which may be confusing since there is a star there for featured pictures on wikipedia. Maybe its just not possible. Chris_huh^talk 17:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

A different star, e.g. with the text "Commons" could be used. Anyway the different position is also a clear distinction.--Patrick (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, that's an option. Will mention it on Commons, but what do you mean by different position, are you still thinking of having it top right. Wouldn't the position only change if it was featured on both wikipedia and commons (ie the star would be pushed to one side)? Chris_huh^talk 00:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking of the simple case of an image vertically positioned according to the position of the code (one only specifies left or right); in that case it appears in the area of the local page where all editable content of the image page on Commons appears, like one of the images on m:Image:Tst.png. Perhaps what you say it also possible, I don't know. It seems that for putting a star in the corner you need an absolute position, and that in the case of two items with an absolute position, in the case of a conflict one hides the other. Different positions can be used, but that may be difficult to coordinate if many wikis are involved.--Patrick (talk) 03:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Therefore I think Commons should avoid absolute positioning on image pages.--Patrick (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree Patrick on the fact that the Commons should avoid the absolute positioning on image pages. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  00:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing a Title

Hello

I spelled the title of my artice wrong

My article is: Highland Creek Subdivsion Charlotte North Carolina

I spelled subdivision incorrectly.

How do I fix it?

Thanks

Marshall600 (talk) 01:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected the redirect you made from Highland Creek Subdivsion Charlotte North Carolina to Highland Creek Charlotte North Carolina, assuming this is the preferred article. For future reference, anyone with an account older than 4 days can move a page from one title to another using the "move" tab which appears at the top of the page. This is the preferred way to change article names because it preserves the page history. --Kateshortforbob 02:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a template...

that we use to identify the language of an external link? I thought there were language-specific templates that would provide a tip to the reader that a link was in Japanese or French... E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 02:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Put something like {{ja}} or {{fr}} before the link. Mr.Z-man 03:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much! E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 03:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked IP address

My IP address was blocked sometime in the year 2006. I have not even used Wikipedia until this month and I was trying to edit a typo on a page (Age of Empires 3). When I looked closer, I was told that I could email and administrator about my problem. When I tried, it said that I needed to have an account in order to send an email. I tried to create an account and it sent me right back to the page about my blocked IP address. Please give advice if you can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.131.87.129 (talk) 04:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The IP address you are editing from currently is not blocked (if it was you wouldn't be able to edit this page), and it never has been blocked according to the block log. Perhaps you have a dynamic IP address. Try creating an account again and see what happens. Raven4x4x (talk) 04:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

That’s an AOL IP. If I recall correctly, at least in the past, creating an account from AOL caused problems. Might that be the problem here? --teb728 t c 06:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AOL is inactive and says a specific AOL problem was solved in 2006. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

aerofoil

what is aerofoil? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.14.184 (talk) 06:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

See aerofoil. --teb728 t c 06:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Please remember this desk is for using Wikipedia. Any other questions should be directed to the reference desk. Thank you. Rt. 12:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about WP:EL

A user keeps adding news links to the EL section of the page Malaysian Indian. There are 5 links to the same issue but different news, and all links are from BBC. I removed 4 links because i thought 1 links is enough. He put it back in again today. I dont want to contra the WP:3RR. I told him that wikipedia is not a soapbox, and told him to read WP:EL. He said those guidelines doesnt apply here. I also told him to put the links at the page HINDRAF to which those news links are more relevant. Please advice. kawaputra^torque 09:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll warn the user now. It seems they have a serious POV matter. Rt. 12:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. kawaputra^torque 13:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

New Article for already used name

I am looking to write an article about an artist that has minimal exposure, (one article written about them). The name is already in the Wikipedia database, but none of the titles that come up are for this particular person, how do i make a new article for a title that is already on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffysadness (talk • contribs) 09:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The way to get around the naming is to add a qualifier in the title like “John Doe (artist)”. But if this artist is as unknown as you seem to imply, he may not be notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. Dozens of articles are deleted every day because the subject is not notable enough. Here is general advice on creating an article:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --teb728 t c 09:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Assuming that the person is notable enough for an article, then you'll want to read up on disambiguation pages, which is how you distinguish between different people (and other things) with the same name. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing an article

I was emailed "Girl Orchestra in Auschwitz" which was an article about the woman's orchestra in Auschwitz. IN your factual information, none of which I dispute, was omitted any reference to my mother, who was a survivor of the women's orchestra. I just wanted to edit this for correctness, using my mothers maiden name so as not to currently identify her. Do I just edit the record? or do I need to send documentation to someone? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.221.5 (talk) 14:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The article is Girl orchestra of Auschwitz. Wikipedia content should be verifiable, based on published reliable sources. Editors are not allowed to add their private knowledge and should also observe Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. A Google search on the name gave no results but I haven't examined any printed sources. Has her membership been published by that name? The information that she was alive as of 2005 also requires a published source. You can make suggestions at Talk:Girl orchestra of Auschwitz. Maybe it will be seen by editors with access to good printed sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Indian wedding card Invitation quotation sample

Please send me sosome sample Indian wedding card Invitation quotation sample —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.197.96.50 (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

You won't let me sign in. Why?

I have tried and tried to create an account with you. I tried months ago, and you would not let me create an account. You still will not let me sign in, you keep saying "error" "error". What can I do about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.119.252 (talk) 17:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the message say more than "error"? Different things can prevent account creation and there should be a more specific message. Some IP addresses are blocked from account creation. Which username are you trying to create? See also Wikipedia:Request an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

how to add a new article?

Hi i would like to start a new article....how do i go about doing that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumroom (talk • contribs) 18:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

And this is very good advice. You may want to do it twice and practice in the sandbox. Although I have created some articles and do ok with structure and formatting, I still managed to create a duplicate article yesterday because another author did not follow category convention. Search several times just like in a search engine before you start a new one.--Mrg3105 (talk) 20:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Something is spelled wrong and I can't find the "edit" link!

Image:Lifecycle_moss_svg_diagram.svg has "mose" instead of "moss"... and I can't find the "edit" link! Please help!!! 68.101.123.219 (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, unlike pages, the image can't be edited in situ. It needs to be downloaded, edited and re-uploaded. I'll give it a go, if nobody else gets there first. --Kateshortforbob 22:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Done! Image:Lifecycle moss svg diagram.svg. --Kateshortforbob 23:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! 68.101.123.219 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

How To Make An Artice

I know that I might sound like a complete idiot, but I navigated the page many times and couldn't find out how to make an artice. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LoopDeeLoop (talk • contribs) 22:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

What page?   jj137 ^♠ 22:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what "the page" refers to (the Wikipedia website?), but maybe this general advice is helpful:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)