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February 12

Bookmarks/viewing history?

Is there anyway to create a MyWikipedia page so that a user can collect various wiki's so that we don't have to continually look things up. I would like to have a user feature where I could have a folder with my wiki viewing history that can be edited and organized by topics for easy reference in the future. 00:39, 12 February 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.32.111 (talk • contribs)

Dan Motola <removed e-mail>

That sounds like something that would have to be custom built into the wiki. Given wikipedia's strain on keeping up demand just for viewing and editing pages, let alone keeping track of every user's, every page request, ever, I doubt that feature (if it exists) will ever be on Wikipedia's MediaWiki installation. As an alternative, I suggest making your own script, or just using the history feature in your web browser. It won't be quite as elegant as you hoped, but most web browsers have a search history feature that make easy to find past viewed pages. —Mitaphane _?|! 05:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I too would like the ability to search among the subset of Wikipedia pages I have viewed. I've read enough Wikipedia pages by now to have at least one instance per day when some new issue comes up and I want to find some Wikipedia page I previously viewed which is relevant to the issue. However, a better place to handle this would be in the user's client. I did a little research to see if anyone else had already thought of this, and what do you know, the Google desktop article says: The program allows full text search of a user's e-mail, computer files, music, photos, chat, and Web pages viewed. Maybe that would do the job. Of course, building a coherent table of contents to all the Wikipedia pages one has viewed is a much more difficult problem, probably requiring dedicated human intelligence at the moment. See the comments on my talk page: User talk:Teratornis#Index to Wikipedia from John Broughton . --Teratornis 19:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Where do I go to get a name change?

Simple question, can't find a link to it. Thanks :). Chris M. 00:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Go to WP:CHU and follow the directions there. Cheers, PTO 00:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks, Cheers! Chris M. 01:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

how do I edit the title of an entry I wrote

Hello,

I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title of an entry I wrote. It only lets me edit the content.

ThanksSpongebarb27 01:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You need to click on the "move" tab and "move" the article to a new name. To do this, your account must be at least 4 days old. --`/aksha 01:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Renaming is done with the "move" tab. If your account is too new, you won't be able to do the move yourself. That being said, if you're referring to Rhingdowtaonow …(click, click), it will most likely be deleted as nonsense or unencyclopedic. In fact, it was marked as I was writing this comment. Mike Dillon 01:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandra Brown

Dear Wikipedia

I have recently published an article on your web-site about my friend, Sandra Brown, the Scottish campaigner for child protection and related issues. Sandra Brown was recently given the distinction "OBE" - Officer of the Order of the British Empire - for services to child protection.

However, there is another Sandra Brown - an American novelist - who is not related to my friend in any way.

I have entitled my page "Sandra Brown, OBE". However, I am concerned that my friend may not be found if people merely search under "Sandra Brown".

Accordingly, I shall be very grateful if you will please set up a disambiguation page, so that the two Sandra Browns may easily be found - and easily distinguished.

Thank you, in advance, for your helpfulness!

Avril Rennie

I've added the disambiguation links for you. I've also moved her to Sandra Brown (campaigner); I'm not sure what the manual of style says on OBE's and other official titles, but I'd assume that unless it's what the person is generally known as (e.g. Diana, Princess of Wales) it's not used (e.g John Lennon is not John Lennon, MBE). —Mitaphane _?|! 05:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Such titles are not to be used throughout the subject's article, or in the name of the page, in general. Please see WP:MOS. Xiner (talk, email) 05:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

helpme

I'm doing a research article for a class in college... And I used one of your pages it was VERY helpful, but I need to do a reference for my article. In MLA format and I didn't see an Author's name, author's last name, year of publication, or a Publisher.

PLEASE HELP

my email is: (email removed to protect from spammers)

THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Jennifer~

First off, check with your college professor that Wikipedia citations are recognized. Some professors dislike Wikipedia citations and will give you dismal grades for papers that contain them. Trust me; I learned from experience. Wikipedia doesn't have those things, due to its nature. Just click the "cite this article" button on the side bar and a nifty tool will give you a citation. Cheers, PTO 03:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedias in general are frowned upon. You should use Wikipedia for its citations (someone else said that recently). If that doesn't discourage you from doing it, please read Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Xiner (talk, email) 05:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing Userpage

How do I add a border and a background color to my userpage? I tried working with it myself but it ended up hopelessly mangled and quite ugly. Desirably, I was hoping for a red border and pink background. Thank you for your time. — MichaelLinnear 05:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Put this at the top of your user page:

<div name="foo" class="bar" <includeonly>id="foobar"</includeonly> style="margin:10 5%; padding:.5em; background:{{{bgcolor|#FDD}}}; border:5px solid #F00; text-align:left; font-size:95%;">

Put this at the bottom:

</div><noinclude>

In case you don't like the border width, "border=5px" controls the width of the border. Change the number to make it wider or narrower. Dave6 ^talk 07:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• What's with all the includeonly and noinclude tags? All they asked for was a div box. The following would work just as well and is a lot more understandable for a newbie coder.

<div style="margin:10 5%; padding:.5em; background:#FDD; border:5px solid #F00; text-align:left; font-size:95%;">

Fine Chemicals

I am pepared to write an article on Fine Chemicals. As the "How to edit a page" instructions are complicated (14 pages!) I would like to discuss the process with somebody who has written an article, preferably in the Basel / Switzerland area. Thanks for indicating me a name. --Peter Pollak 09:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have found the full instructions, rather than the Introduction. If you haven't already, I suggest that you read the Introduction and Tutorial, which should teach you how to edit Wikipedia in a more gradual manner than the instructions you found; if you want to write a new article, Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page may also be worthwhile reading. If you want to talk to someone who has started a new article, and you have access to Internet Relay Chat, you may want to join the channel irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-en-bootcamp; otherwise, you could try communicating with a user on their User Talk page, if you know of a user you think would help you. --ais523 09:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the link for you --WikiSlasher 09:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

To find Wikipedians in Basel, you can search the Category namespace for "Basel". Also check the categories beginning with "Wikipedians in" for regions near you or containing your location: [1]. There is a Category:Wikipedians in Switzerland. You might categorize your user page there by adding: [[Category:Wikipedians in Switzerland]] to the bottom. You could leave some greetings on the user talk pages of some of your neighbors asking if they could assist you. Also search the Wikipedia namespace for "Switzerland": [2], which turns up a Wikipedia:WikiProject Switzerland. You could join the activity there. --Teratornis 08:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Log On

I have two user names TrishBunkey and Webmutt. I try to have the passwords emailed to me and I get a successfully sent message from Wiki, but the email never shows up. It's not in my spam either. I do have access to the correct email and have had passwords emailed to me before, as I am forgetful and addle brained. =( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.0.95 (talk • contribs)

Might be time to make a new account. If the email isn't reaching you then that means the email addresses either wasn't entered correctly or wasn't ever confirmed. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

They have been confirmed. I have lost the passwords before and had them emailed to me before. It was entered correctly. I need technical support for wikipedia's programmers to find out why the emails aren't being sent. If there is a problem with the auto send program or if I was hacked. I do not want a new account. I have two. I want to know why the emails don't go through. Its frustrating. I have checked my spam and blocked addresses and nothing is wrong.

Clearing the search box

75.40.34.252 13:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)how do you delete search items from the search box

This is nothing to do with Wikipedia; however, some browsers will have this as a feature. I think it's called 'AutoComplete' in Internet Explorer, so there might be some way to clear it in the menus somewhere (I don't have access to the relevant menus on this computer, though, so I can't check). --ais523 15:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you can delete individual items by highlighting them with the cursor and pressing the Delete key, or alternatively:

• In Internet Explorer, click Tools -> Internet Options..., click the Content tab, click AutoComplete and there are options there.
• In Firefox, to disable the feature go to Tools -> Options..., in the Privacy section, click the Saved Forms tab and uncheck "Save information I enter in forms and the Search Bar" and click OK and then click Tools -> Clear Private Data... and make sure Saved Form Information has a tick and then click Clear Private Data Now. It's up to you to determine what other data you want to clear. I think that's everything I can tell you, but it's more a question for the Reference desk. --WikiSlasher 12:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandra Brown (campaigner)

Dear Wikipedia

Thank you for your help with the above material, and for the disambiguation.

I agree that the article needs more work, and I intend to put more work into it myself, once I have assembled more detail.

However, I do not agree with you that the article reads like an advertisement. I know Sandra Brown personally, and I count her as a friend. But I have written the article in a very balanced manner, without overstatement or inaccuracy of any kind.

I shall obtain more data for you, so that the element of "substantiation" you refer to can be provided. Presumably, the format for substantiating is covered in your "help" category.

Sandra Brown is now listed on the BBC's "Woman's Hour" web-site in their category "Leading Women". So I believe she merits an entry in Wikipedia.

Trusting this is satisfactory to you. Many thanks!

Avril

Most of all, the article needs sources, which should help to solve the problem. Even if you're not sure how to format them (and you can learn about citing sources at WP:CITE), their presence is the most important thing here, so the article can be verifiable. If you disagree with the {{advert}} tag, you could comment on the article's discussion page (Talk:Sandra Brown (campaigner)), or contact the user who placed it (in this case, it was ImmortalGoddezz, so you would edit User talk:ImmortalGoddezz to contact that user). As for the article itself, it's mostly a case of a style problem (it reads more like a magazine article than an encyclopedia entry at the moment), rather than the sort of thing that would get deleted as spam. The tag is likely to attract the attention of editors capable of fixing the style problems (but the sourcing is a much bigger issue, in a biography of a living person, and sources are often hard to find, so we'd appreciate it if you helped fix that problem). Hope that helps! --ais523 15:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Font customization

How do I change the font of the website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeppelinquadroon (talk • contribs)

• Changing the font or font size in articles is discouraged - see Wp:style#Formatting issues for more information. There are a variety of ways to emphasize text in articles, or to play with fonts on user pages. Can you explain a little bit more about what you have in mind? Thanks, TheronJ 16:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want to change the font or its size to your own view, you can edit Special:Mypage/monobook.css to add rules that only take effect while you (specifically) are logged in. An example of a simple rule might be

body {font:Verdana}

Hope that helps! --ais523 16:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You can also change the size of text via your browser. For example, for FireFox, under the "View" menu, there is a "text size" option. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Finding information re professional wrestler

I have attempted to find out who portrayed the Masked Marvel charachter in professional wrestling.I remember the charachter from the early 1960's. A rumor I have heard was that one of the wrestlerswho portrayed him was a patient at Tewksbury State Hospital At one point..I am curious as to who portrayed the charachter.Can you help? 24.147.184.132 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Trebor 16:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines

Sir, I have no knowledge about wikipedia. I believe it will help me like encyclopedia for which I have choosen this site.

Thanking you, Yours sincrely, Probhat Kumar Singh

Do you have a question? If you want to find out more about Wikipedia, see Wikipedia (an encyclopedia article on the subject of Wikipedia) and Wikipedia:About (Wikipedia's 'about Wikipedia' page, but not an article). --ais523 17:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:My name

Darkest Hour Δ How do I get a black background yet keep the orange underscore? Because I like the color combo yet it kindof hard to see it on a white background, also I would like to see all of the advalible font faces. Thanks all, --Darkest Hour Δ 17:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing the background could be done line this: --Darkest Hour Δ (and the span and font can't be combined if you want to keep the underscore; see the edit screen for the code); however, this is now probably too long to be an acceptable signature, per WP:SIG. As for which fonts are available, Wikipedia doesn't have its own set of fonts for display, it uses the fonts available on the viewer's computer, so you'll have to judge for yourself which fonts are worth using. Removing some of the links from your signature would help to shorten it, and there are some other coding tricks that might work (such as using shorter names for the colours), but I don't think it'll be anywhere near limits that people wouldn't complain about unless you change the design. With just a userpage link, you could have Darkest Hour, for instance. --ais523 17:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Franse Rewolusie

--Anétjie 19:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Soek asb inligting oor die Franse Rewolusie. Veral die redes hoekom die rewolusie noodsaaklik was.

Eh? French Revolution --Darkest Hour 21:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I think they meant af:Franse Rewolusie —Dgies^t c 21:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Vote solicitation

In AFDs there is a clear temptation to call on other editors to come and vote to keep an article. I think I saw a policy against this somewhere, but cannot find it. Is there a policy related to this, where is it, and how far can one go in publicizing an AFD? With many deletions getting decided by six or fewer editors the effect of vote solicitation is huge (even though it is not supposed to be a vote.) As an example of what I am asking about, please see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/Issues/Issue1 where it says "However, dangerous precedents could be set here that could result in drastic catastrophe for the U.S. Roads articles. Your voice is needed to ensure that our highway articles are not deleted and can be maintained for the benefit of all. Sources: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California State Route 37, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 127, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)

See also[[3] where this same newsletter for a time said 'hopefully you will all vote “keep”' Is this permissible, and where do we draw the line? Thanks. Inkpaduta 20:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CANVASS. Corvus cornix 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, your efforts were to attempt to get the 5700+ road articles deleted. The diff provided was well before distribution, and we all decided that that revision was too pushy. If you really have a problem with this, take it to WP:DRV but not here. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Note that the majority of comments were made before that, based on a neutral notification at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads#Two deletion debates. --NE2 00:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah, this is venue shopping. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The above comments by Rschen7754 accuse me of "venue shopping" when I asked here for the obscure name which Wikipedia uses to list the policy against vote stacking, which I could not find otherwise. I'm not sure what venue I was supposed to ask for the information. He also accuses me of attempting to delete 5700 articles about roads, when I made an AFD nomination for one 2.4 mile long state road, a stub article found while looking at random articles. Please assume good faith, and do not make accusations, and do not tell me I am not allowed to ask for information at the Help desk. Rschen7754, an admin, and apparently a creater of the project to make articles about every road, has threatened on the discussion page for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads to block anyone who nominates a bunch of road articles if, in his judgement, they did it to make a point. Looking at the WP:CANVASS page, I ask now if the notice on the project page and the newslatter urging all the people who had it posted by a bot to their discussion pages to go and save the 5400 or 5700 road articles is consistent with the policy regarding votestacking, canvassing and campaigning? If this is not the venue or forum to raise this question, what would be the correct one. Apparently it is ok to have a noticeboard, but questionable to tell people how they should vote on the issue. Please advise. Inkpaduta 18:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

You did ask for a policy name, but you also did ask for an opinion as well. If you were only looking for a policy, you could have only put the first three sentences of your initial inquiry. Instead, you looked for an opinion, when one was given to you by a few people, including a well-known administator. You did not like this opinion, and instead went to seek other advice, changing venues until you got what you wanted. That is called venue shopping. Note that the initial response that you got was a link to a policy page, indicating that this is not the place to get an opinion on such a matter. Instead, that is what the WP:DR is for.

Your comments at the time implied that you were willing to delete the 5800 road articles and did not believe that they should be on Wikipedia. Your comments afterward implied that that had been your belief (see Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 127). Furthermore, my "threats" for blocking were if one did nominate for deletion all 5800 road articles, which would definitely be disruptive to Wikipedia. And this would have been a WP:POINT not specifically a point. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you the "well-known administrator?" I asked on your talk page, and you did not answer the question about whether there had been vote solicitation[4]. You did not provide any link to the policy WP:CANVASS. To how many editors did you post the apparently newly created newsletter which directed then recipients to go to the 3 deletion debates (I had nominated exactly one) and "let their voices be heard?" Do you plan to do the same in the future, and do you see that as consistent with WP:CANVASS? You only said that all highways and county roads were notable, and that any discussion shoud be on the talk page of your U.S. roads project, and that AFDs should not be filed for roads. Given the ad hominem and accusatory postings here, given that you falsely claim I advocated deleting all articles about roads, and the fact that you popped up here unsolicited to make accusations of "venue shopping" (wikistalking my postings, or do you read all postings on this help page?) I could not expect a very fair or civil hearing on your project's talk page WT:USRD. Again, the question is vote solicitation rules, not whether roads are notable (many clearly are). If there is an appropriate forum for discussing the acceptable limits of vote solicitation, tell me what it is so I can take my question or issue about the acceptable limits of vote solicitation there. Should this be moved to the talk page of WP:CANVASS? Is an acceptable form of solicitng votes FOR deletion, if it is acceptable to thus solicit votes for keeping?? I do not see this as a matter for arbitration or other dispute resolution, since it is not something like a revert war. Thanks. Inkpaduta 19:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No, the "well-known administrator" is Lar.  V60 ^{VTalk · VDemolitions} 23:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you bring this here in the first place? Do you believe that the consensus to keep was flawed? Then you go to WP:DRV (as I have said before), not here. As for your other questions, if you think this was votestacking, then take it to the page I just gave. Otherwise, I don't see what the problem is. I am aware of what ad hominem is, and I have made none of those remarks. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

What forum? Are you stating that the only place where I may discuss whether it is spamming or votestacking to sent out a newsletter created as an "urgent" response to 3 independent AFDs and sent via a bot to approximately 200 editors urging them to keep the articles, is on the talk page of the project created by the editor who sent out the newsletter? Who proceeded to remove a AfdAnons}} template on one of the AFDs, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999 per diff [5] with the comment "(i'm being bold and removing {{afdanon}}: note, it's for external "spamming." this is internal, and it is not votestacking, it is ensuring all know about the deletions.)" This newslatter as sent out, said "However, dangerous precedents could be set here that could result in drastic catastrophe for the U.S. Roads articles. Your voice is needed to ensure that our highway articles are not deleted and can be maintained for the benefit of all." This is clearly advising the 200 editors to say "Keep" rather than merely informing them that the AFD exists. There is no indication that the creaters of the newsletter see anything wrong with it. Which is why I am still asking whether this or some other venue (other than the U.S. Roads talk page0 is the proper place to discuss that question. I have nothing against articles about roads which are notable, which most probably are, but I want to see policies followed in not trying to solicit keep votes in AFDs in the future. Unless sending out notices to 200 editors telling them how to vote is in compliance with WP:CANVASS. Thanks Inkpaduta 00:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:DRV... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm obviously not all that worried about the one AFD, since it was there before I randomly found it and it is there after the AFD, but I am concerned about the tactic of posting a newsletter, Keep-O-Gram or other communication to 200 editors urging them to keep (or delete) an article, since this will typically bring in peo0ple who would not otherwise look at all the AFDs on a given day. I have since, in random patrol of articles, run across another stub article without much content, and wonder if the same vote solicitation would be used for keeping it (I posted a question about it on his user page looking for sources to improve it. If Rschen7754 thinks that sending out a communication urging keep an article to 200 or so editors is a fine tactic to use in the future, then this discussion needs to continue, but other wise I am happy, if there is agreement that it is ok to put a notice on the project page for roads that there are certain ongoing AFDs and editor's input is welcome, without telling them the dire consequences of their failure to rush there and say KEEP for each and every road, no matter how short or ill referenced, on sort of a domino theory that next the philistines will be deleting the interstates, and without sending out emergency newsletters detailing the AFDs. Thanks.01:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation

How do I translate a story into another language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einstein348 (talk • contribs)

First off, do you speak the language that you want to translate the article into? What is the language and the article? Oh and please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ and the end of you comments. Cheers — WilsBadKarma ^(Talk) 21:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about translating a Wikipedia article from one language (project) to another, you might look at Wikipedia:Translation. If you're talking about translation in general, not specifically related to Wikipedia, please ask at the reference desk. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Electronically challenged

I've tried repeatedly to insert a photo (Jean's last photo, copyrighted by Glamour Photos and transfered to me in 2000) from the commons page to my wiki page, but I'm electroncially and time challenged. Would someone please make the transfer for me? Also, I would like to be linked to the photojournalist section as well as the mystery novelists. I'm currently in the western novelists' group.

Thank you for your help! I'll continue to edit and contribute to as many pages as time allows.

Jean Henry-Mead

All that needs to be done to use a commons image on your user page is inserting [[Image:{name of file on commons}]] into the wikicode. If you post the hyperlink of the wikicommons photo, I will gladly add it onto your user page. —Mitaphane _?|! 01:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Nasty Editors...

My group is currently having an issue with some rather offensive Editors who have decided our Wiki should be deleted.

Between the quasi threats to "speedy spam delete", taunts about the size of the group and the offensive tone and words we are all pretty much fed up with the editors, and would like to request a more neutral person review the situation.

I thought Wiki was supposed to be more collaborative and helpful to each other than offensive and derisive.

How can I go about getting help with this borderline-harassment? Thanks in advance Xeyda 22:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a common complaint. By wanting to delete the article, we're not telling you that it isn't a good thing. We're telling you that it doesn't meet our requirements for acceptance, because it doesn't have enough active members. See WP:NOTABILITY. Some of the comments were rude, but you're best off just remaining the better person and keeping your cool. DoomsDay349 22:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. It isn't that I feel the quality of the page is being called in to account, it is the commentary we are receiving from the editors, and the so-called justification given for deletion. We do have a fairly active playerbase, but we maintain a private Wiki for such interactions, instead of filling up the global Wiki. There are numerous other wikipages with, in my opinion, ridiculous and "Breathtakingly non-notable" commentary, but it remains, untouched in Wikipedia; should every member go around attempting to delete everything they disagree with or simply dislike? I am more frustrated and angry at the treatment from the editors than the fact someone recommended the page be deleted. Thanks again for responding. Xeyda 23:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything that gets close to "borderline-harassment" on the talk page or the AfD discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eshraval) (a handful of the comments are rude, but participants in AfD tend towards cynicism sometimes). Wikipedia has limits on what can be listed here, otherwise, every Tom, Dick, and Harry would put in the online game they play, message board they post on, group they belong to, bar they drink at, church they go to, preschool they send their kids to, their first love, etc. A line had to be drawn, and that line is drawn at WP:NOTABILITY. An AfD discussion presents a forum to debate which side of that line a particular subject falls on. You might also take a peek at What Wikipedia is not.

Incindentally, I noticed some of the comments from your players on the AfD discussion indicate that there are other similar websites that have Wikipedia articles that may also fail the notability test. It's possible these articles may need to be reviewed or deleted, too. It's just that someone came across your article first.

(FWIW, it looks like an interesting game) Mishatx *разговор* 23:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I want to say, the simulator might not be notable for Wikipedia, but it looks incredibly amazing. I've already sent in an application to start playing; I can't wait to sink my teeth into this! (And it's free; that's a plus). DoomsDay349 00:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't help but smile at the sheer irony of your application, DoomsDay349. Would you have even known about the game were it not for the Wikipedia article? Notability indeed. Eshraval Creator

Nope. Irony at its finest, I suppose. The forces of the universe work in mysterious ways. DoomsDay349 02:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So, judging by the Wikipedia's own standard, you are not a 'notable' applicant because you have no external references aside from this website AND you have applied to a 'Breathtakingly non-notable' site. Doesn't look good. You may have to be nominated for deletion from our database :) Eshraval Creator

:( I hope the smiley means sarcasm...the game looks incredibly sweet. DoomsDay349 02:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the smiley means sarcasm. Nothing will be held against you just because you happen to be affiliated with Wikipedia and they have judged us 'Breathtakingly non-notable'. And for the record, some of your editors are a bit too curt for their own good, and telling us to remain above the fray is not the greatest PR you could provide ;) Eshraval Creator

Well, it's what I try to do. By the way, since you have a registered account, you might consider logging in. I have left you a message, though it might seem a bit redundant after this conversation. And to let you know, I'm gonna drive myself insane this week waiting for an admin message. DoomsDay349 02:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Delete

For Template:Delete, how do you give a reason for deletion?

• After the word "delete", put a pipe | and then type the reason, then put the close marks }} in. Mr.Z-mantalk 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• The is also this page Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. It's has deletion templates which are very useful.--John Lake 02:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Saving unfinished new articles to continue working on later

I am preparing my first article. Is there a way of saving an article I'm working on so that I don't have to do everything in one session? My article will have quite a few citatations and references. If there is a way of saving it, how can I access it again to complete the article so that I may submit it?
Thank you.
IreneWyo 23:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The usual way is to put it in a subpage of your userpage, e.g. User:IreneWyo/Foo. Then, once you've got it to your liking, copy-paste the code from there into wherever you want to put it. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 23:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (I wanted to indent my "thank you," but I couldn't figure out how to indent.) IreneWyo 19:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I indented it for you. Help:Talk page explains how to format discussions on pages like this one. --Teratornis 21:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, Teratornis! It's great to have people so willing to assist us newcomers! IreneWyo 06:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal information

I noticed at a talk page, there's a comment from someone identifying herself as a 12-year-old girl and providing her phone number. What is the policy on this? It's a little unclear to me; it shouldn't be left because the entire comment is irrelevant to Wikipedia, but should an admin remove it from the edit history? And if so, how do I request that? ShadowHalo 23:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy, a proposed quideline. I would ask a random admin to remove it. Garion96 (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Posting on WP:AN/I would be faster than asking a random admin; you can actually remove the info yourself (and leave a very polite, kind, explanatory note on the person's talkpage), and notify AN/I to have it removed from the history. Anchoress 00:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably faster, but it's so public. Garion96 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)