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January 25

skins

hello...my skin is currently chick. i want to change it to something else. i click my preferences. skin is listed, but it doesn't appear to have a link behind it. Tattgirl 23:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean you don't see "Preview" links for the other skins? Or you are trying to click on the skin yuou want? It might be a different procedure under your skin, but I think you have to click in the circles next to the skins and click save to change them. I might not understand what you're talking about though. =( — coelacan talk — 00:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Try changing the skin by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?useskin=monobook .--Commander Keane 01:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

What this person probably means is that he's changed his skin to chick, and is unable to change it back. I've had the same problem before - i think there's something wrong with the "my preferences" page when using that skin, because (for me anyway) once i changed my skin to chick, i became unable to access the "skins" tab of "my preferences",

The solution is to use the link Commander Keane just provided. if that doesn't work, a way around it is to create a second account. Log into the second account, go to "my preferences", then "skins", then select the skin you want. Now open a second window/tab, log out and log into your normal account, then go back to the first window/tab and save your preferences. That'll change the skin for your first account. --`/aksha 10:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How do you ask for clarifications?

I looked up the term K.I.S.S. I am wondering what does the second S refer to? the stupid person as an insult or the more stupid the easier it is to understand and reach a brodder publick? I understood it to mean that if its stupid it usualy easier to aprecieate. Most consumers don't like to think so keep it stupid and you will have a greater audience. As a rule stupid works for me this way but if stupid is ment as an insult to the creator of somthing, then it doesnt seem so much as a rule but more as a nasty insult. Answeres apreciated because I got into a long argument on this. -Andrew CamachoAndrew Camacho 01:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

According to KISS principle, it means "Keep it simple, stupid". Patstuart^talk|edits 01:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

In my experience, the "stupid" is the one it's being said towards, who was "stupid" for not "keeping it simple." It's not meant as a pejoritive, though, it's meant to be jocular. I could be quite wrong, though. You should probably try asking at the Wikipedia:Reference Desk, as this help desk is only meant for questions on how to use Wikipedia. The reference desk can help you with more general knowledge questions. — coelacan talk — 03:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

KISS is not, in my experience, a phrase said from one person to another. It is a phrase you are supposed to say to yourself when making a plan. So, you are calling yourself stupid for considering a plan that isn't simple. --Kainaw ^(talk) 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Further discussion should probably be at the article talk page (if intended to improve the article) or at Wikipedia:Reference desk, as mentioned by Coelancan, if for general knowledge. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 19:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on Democratic Party (United States) page

I am asking for someone to fix the Democratic Party (United States) page, it has been vadalised and i didn't know where to go so i came here. Thank you very much! NavidT 01:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)NavidT

It's already been fixed. Check out WP:REVERT so you can see how to clean up vandalism like that next time you see it. -- Kesh 02:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

My new article

Hi guys, I created an article on one of my favourite plays, a new comedy called to quote the bard, and for some reason no-one can access it.Do a certain number of people have to request it before it becomes publicily available?How does it work? Thanks, Mike Chalkley

I have no trouble accessing it here: To Quote the Bard. --Tkynerd 03:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a guess... you might need to purge your browser's cache. See WP:PURGE for instructions on how to do this. — coelacan talk — 03:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

About RSS feed

Is there any RSS feed of Wikipedia (a general page or a specific page) and how can i use it on my blog? If not, isn't it a good idea to add a RSS feed to Wikipedia ? Tr_ex 03:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Syndication. --Sopoforic 03:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Copyright

I am working on the Jean Webster article, and would like to add a photo, for example [1]. But I find the copyright rules for this very difficult to understand. She died in 1916, the photo (based on research) is probably from 1915, so it is ooooold, but how does one know the publication date? I would like to know whether I can uphold upload this and hopefully why, so I can begin to understand this mystifying subject. Thanks a lot. --Slp1 04:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:PD:

In the U.S., any work published before 1 January 1923 anywhere in the world is in the public domain.

So, unless you think that they held onto the photo for 8 years before publishing it, it looks like it's in the public domain. Dismas|^(talk) 04:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem is that I have no idea when it was first published. It was certainly used in a book in 1984, but before that? I don't know. Do I need proof that it was published? --Slp1 04:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you know who took the picture? If so, there is this from the same page:

One should consider only artworks whose author has died more than 70 years ago to be in the public domain.

Maybe that works? Dismas|^(talk) 05:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's a personal photograph, it was quite possibly never "published"... Shimgray | talk | 11:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you can't establish public domain (which would allow us to use the photo on the Commons: and spread it all over the various language Wikipedias), you can still use it here on the English Wikipedia, under United States "fair use" laws (because en.wikipedia.org physically resides in the USA). You just need to determine whether the photo fits under our policy at WP:FAIRUSE (hint: it does, but always check), then upload it and use the following copyright tag: {{fair use in|Jean Webster}} making sure you also provide a link to where you got it from. — coelacan talk — 07:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that a reproduction of the photo in 1984 potentially has copyright from its arrangement/enhancement. To be absolutely free of copyright you have to have in your hand something published before the date. Notinasnaid 09:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The website belongs to Vassar's Special Collections library. So, I just sent off an email to a worker there to find out if this is simply a scan of a public-domain photo (in which case it would not qualify as being a derivative work) or a "touched up" image. --Kainaw ^(talk) 10:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks everybody, for all your ideas: it seems like my confusion is not all that unreasonable, which makes me feel less stupid! For Dismas no photographer is credited either in the book or in the Vassar details about their collection, so we can't know when he (likely) died. For Kainaw the online photo is a crop of a larger photo in the book. Anyway, I will check up on your suggestions, in particular Fair Use ideas and look forward to hearing any further thoughts (or responses to emails). --Slp1 12:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Response from Vassar: "The image you mention is part of our holdings of Jean Webster Papers and would require us to create a licensing agreement for usage on a web page. Our usage policies and fees are all described full here: http://specialcollections.vassar.edu/policies/permissionto.html . Please do not hesitate to contact me with any other questions you might have. Sincerely, Dean M. Rogers Special Collections Assistant Vassar College Library" --Kainaw ^(talk) 14:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

How to flag a paragraph

1. How do I add a "needs work" warning box to a paragraph?

2. Where do I find the set of "boxes" that are available to be used? Like the "Suggest Merge" box

There is a paragraph in the Randall Terry [2] article, titled "post-lawsuit activities", that needs to be "fixed-up". First, post-lawsuit does not define a time, since the lawsuit was decided last month. The paragraph is a collection of slimes of Randall Terry, which I don't plan to change as much as to organize more coherently. I want to put some kind of "box" at the head of the paragraph noting that the paragraph "needs work", and then start to do it.

In the meantime, I have added a a "WP:BLP" box, but I don't think that that one is the correct one. MartinGugino 07:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the late reply. It gets slow here after 05:00 UTC. You can probably find what you need at Wikipedia:Template messages. I'll have a look at the article now and try to make a specific recommendation. — coelacan talk — 08:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I put up {{cleanup-remainder}} and {{npov-section}}. It's probably a good idea for you to leave a note on the talk page discussing what you're doing, as well. And that list of templates I gave you: I forgot that it's huge. Best to use your browser's search-in-text function (probably Ctrl-F) to look for the words you expect to find, rather than poring through the whole thing. — coelacan talk — 09:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

tyvm. That's just perfectly helpful. MartinGugino 21:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Where can I reveal that an administrator is as a sockpuppet?

Could someone help me in the right direction, I have a lot of evidence of a particular Administrator being a sockpuppet, so where is the best place to expose and present this info, also how does Wikipedia deal with such admins? Payday today 10:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest the administrator's noticeboard.

However, you should first take a look at WP:SOCK and see whether this case of sockpupptery falls into the category of "abuse sockpuppets" and/or "illegitimate reasons to use sockpuppets".

'sockpuppet' just means being or having a second account. There are legitimate reasons for someone to be using more than one account. So if a person is an administrator on one account, but also uses other accounts, but aren't actually breaking any guildelines, then i think it's okay. --`/aksha 10:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks for that Yaksha ;) Payday today 11:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC) But what about if this Admin is using his accounts to generate consensus in debates? Payday today 11:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

For your question, I would say if a user use multiple accounts to "generate consensus in debates", then s/he is in violation of the policy, as per Forbidden uses of sock puppets. Admin or regular user, it makes no difference. – PeaceNT 11:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, using second "accounts to generate consensus in debates" is like...number one on the list of things you shouldn't do with sockpuppets.

If this is just a suspicion, then admin's noticeboard as i said. However, if you think you've got a fair amount of evidence, you should file a request for checkuser. If it's accepted, then someone with checkuser rights will do an ip check on the accounts - which could confirm your suspicions (although if the checkuser comes back with nothing, it doesn't mean you're suspicions are defintely wrong. it's fairly easy for someone to just use, say, a different internet connection, which would result in a different ip address.)

Requesting for checkuser is here. Can't say much else, i've never done this before. But if you have any problems with it, you can just ask on their talk page. The clerks should be able to help you. --`/aksha 11:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks aksha, Payday today 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

How to delete pictures that I have uploaded?

How do I delete my pictues that I uploaded? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomascarter (talk • contribs).

Add the template {{db-author}} to the description page of the image. An admin will delete it soon after that. — coelacan talk — 08:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I create a translation (to arabic) from an existing (english) page?

I have written an article, in english, and now want to provide the same article in arabic translation (so that it will show up in the 'in other languages' box in the menu on the left. However, when I tried following the wikipedia/translation route, I could only propose to tranlate something TO English, not FROM.. What do I need to do to create this second page and have it linked one on one with exisiting english version? x@x 09:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

First question: do you write Arabic? — coelacan talk — 09:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

All right, assuming you do write Arabic, go over to ar:, the Arabic Encyclopedia, and set up an account, write the article, and then use Wikipedia:Interlanguage links. Assuming you don't, you can try making a request for translation at ar:ويكيبيديا:سفارة, the Arabic Wikipedia Embassy. If no one answers you there within a few days, you could politely ask one of the translators at m:Category:Translators eng-arb for help, although keep in mind that they may be very busy, since there are three of them. — coelacan talk — 09:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You assume correct, the arabic is not the issue. It is the opening of the arabic account that I needed to know about (and feared..), and most importantly the Wikipedia:Interlanguage links. So many thanks for your help! —x@x talk 12:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

how to gather some peer review on a unregarded topic

Ok, I know this is probably not the best place to ask. I am currently trying to cleanup a bit the articles on Category:Wikipedia articles with topics of unclear importance from June 2006. A lot of these articles are just chemical molecules like Bromodifluoroacetylchloride or Strontium nitride. Where do you think I could start a discussion about whether or not all these articles should be deleted/untagged/merged/... ? -- lucasbfr ^talk 10:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be sort of hard for someone who's unfamiliar with the subject area to try and determine whether something is important or not. But some general suggestions - you could try wikiproject pages. So in terms of chemical molecules, i think we have a chemistry wikiproject and a biochemistry wikiproject. You could ask on the project talk page for some assistance (people there are likely to actually recognise the names and be able to say something sensible about its importance). If you're fairly sure it's unimportant, then you could nominate it for deletion. Otherwise, you could take a look at the article and determine a main article that would be a suitable merge destination, and start a discussion on that talk page (where you're most likely to get a response) - so what i mean is, for example, if this article is about some character from a movie, then you should try and start a discussion on the movie main article. --`/aksha 10:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'd contact Chemistry WikiProjects. Even if importance is not stated in the article, they have the knowledge and source access to look into it further. Basically speaking, if a chemical has an interesting property or has a particularly useful or commercial application, it's considered notable, IIRC. I'm sure one of those projects has guidelines on the issue. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok Thank you both for your help, I will seek their advice :) Have a great day! -- lucasbfr ^talk 09:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Who deals with merge/redirect discussions?

There has been a discussion concerning whether to merge Wheel lock into Wheellock. This discussion has been open since last October. The consensus (however small) appears to be that a redirect rather than a merge is appropriate, since Wheellock contains all the material in Wheel lock. It is surely time for something to be done about it.

But who does the housework on this? Is it down to an admin to make Wheel lock redirect to Wheellock - and delete the original Wheel lock article? Or is it down to us (frankly amateur, in my case) editors to try to manage this rather complex move?

Thanks for guidance on this

Nick Michael 11:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If the same content is duplicated at both, then a redirect is appropriate. If material from one location was merged (ie. copied) from the other location, then the redirect must be retained to preserve the edit history of the material that was copied from one place to the other. If this was noted in the relevant edit summary, please make this clear on both talk pages. Content should not remain duplicated at similar article titles, as this is (or could develop into) a fork. See Wikipedia:Content forking.

If the dispute is over whether the article should be at 'wheel lock' or 'wheellock', then that is a naming dispute, and is handled differently. Carcharoth 11:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tidied this up a bit. The material to be merged is on the talk page. Please discuss there which bits need merging and which bits are already in the article. Carcharoth 11:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

PS. No admin work needed here, as no deletes needed. Merges and redirects can be done by editors. Carcharoth 11:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed Carcharoth. I've merged any loose ends from Wheel lock that should have been, and tidied up Wheellock. I presume anyone wishing to do so will vent their opinion on the talk page. I'll bear it in mind that editors can do this work (bull in a china shop...?) in the future.
Thanks again
Nick Michael 12:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No, not bull in a china shop. We're all volunteers here - no one is paid to add content, merge articles, put in redirects, etc. If an editor doesn't do it, it doesn't get done (with a few exceptions where admins need to help out, if requested by an editor, particularly with complicated moves). So be careful, but don't apologize for doing something constructive, even if it's not perfect. (See: WP:BB.) -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 19:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

ps2 network adapter

how do you go about cancelling an account for one ps2 then using the adapter and disc along with the access code ,to setup netplay on another ps2?

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --ais523 11:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Away from Wikipedia

Is there a prominent template I can put on my User and Talk pages along the lines of "I will be off Wikipedia until such-and-such-date"? AndyJones 13:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• {{wikibreak}}, if you use {{subst:wikibreak}} you can come back after editing it and altering its wording on your userpage. - 131.211.210.17 13:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There's also more information at Wikipedia:Wikibreak. --Tkynerd 13:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks both. AndyJones 13:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

regarding page move

I realize that an article I have just completed is not tagged for speedy deletion, and I understand that the error I made was in naming the page after a person involved in the incident involved rather than the incident itself. As a new account user, I realize that I cannot move the page for renaming purposes for 4 days and would like assistance in allowing me to edit this before it is deleted. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azriel Immortal (talk • contribs)

You can tell us what title it should be at here, but the more important subject and hand is whether or not she is notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. If she is not, regardless of the title, the article will likely be deleted. -- Natalya 14:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Administrator assistance in moving a page is available here: Wikipedia:Requested moves. I'm not sure why you think you need assistance to edit (as opposed to move) the article - a speedy tag doesn't prevent editing. (In fact, editing - to improve an article - is among the best ways to avoid an administrator agree with the proposed speedy delete.) In any case, you should (as the speedy template should indicate) put a "hangon" tag on the article and a detailed explanation on the talk page if you really think the person or incident really merits being in Wikipedia. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 19:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

accusations of vandalism

When I last visited wikipedia from my work computer I was met with the message that I had made unhelpful alterations to a page which constituted vandalism. I was also told that I had been warned several times about this. When following the link I found that these were centred around my aledgedly having removed warnings from my talk page. I do not remember doing so and have very rarely made any contributions to a page other than to correct obvious punctuation and grammer errors. Could I please have some clarification as to what I am supposed to have done? Socratesshame 14:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You probably shared you IP adress with someone else. It was good that you created an account, as now, no one will warn you, unless you vadalize of course. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 14:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There are 3 possibilities:

• Some Internet Providers use a small pool of IP address for all their customers.
• You have more than one computer in your house, on the same connexion
• You have a strong personality disorder (just kidding ;))

Either way, on our side, we can't differentiate you and the vandal and you received a message intended for someone else. Creating an account will prevent this confusion to happen again. Welcome among us :) -- lucasbfr ^talk 09:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

how to see intersection of two categories

How to find pages by combining two or more categories

I often find myself wanting to use categories to find pages that I have an interest in.

E.g. I want to find CMS which are based on Java and therefore want to look for pages that has the following two categories:

1) Open source content management systems
2) Java platform software

Jimisola

Unfortunately at this time the software that Wikipedia uses, called MediaWiki, does not support displying the intersection of multiple Wikipedia:Categories. However, we do have an article page that might help you in this specific question. Check out comparison of content management systems, hopefully that will help. — coelacan talk — 14:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You can do a category intersection here, though it doesn't use the absolutely latest version of the software. And you can read about this as a proposed new feature at Wikipedia:Category intersection. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 18:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

MP3

I wrote an article on the composer Lucien Durosoir, and I would like to upload and link to an mp3 sound file of his music. How would I do this? Johnspowell 15:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• Try the links at the bottom of my userpage (click on my name). A tool that does that is called CatScan and the ToolServer Table of Contents had some similar tools I believe. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing content

Hi there,

Please can you advise whether there are any security settings on messages created in Wikipedia i.e can anyone edit or can only the originator of the message edit the content?

If the latter, please could you advise on how to delete and start from scratch with a new message using a different account.

Many thanks,

Joanne Phelps

It's not clear what you mean by 'message' in this context; however, all content on Wikipedia that you are capable as editing can be edited by anyone else as well (there is no differentiation between one user without a username and another when it comes to who can edit what, apart from users who have been blocked (who can't edit anything but their own User Talk pages)). If this wasn't what you meant, please ask your question again. --ais523 16:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about postings on a user talk page or an article talk page, Wikipedia:Talk page and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines should make it clear that one editor is not supposed to edit or delete a posting by another editor (there are exceptions - vandalism, extreme personal attack, etc., but those are exceptions). There are no "security settings" that prevent an editor from changing another editor's comments, but other editors will normally revert changes by one editor to another editor's comments if they notice, and usually will post a note on the user talk page saying that policy has been violated.

If you're asking if what you posted could be deleted, the general answer is "no" - wikis are designed with strick accountability (tracking of who did what) as a way of compensating for anyone being able to edit anything.

If you've really screwed up in what you've posted, you have two options. First, you can simply abandon an account and set up a new one. If you don't screw up on the new one (for example, by going to the same article you've been arguing at, disruptively, and start in again), no one is going to bother to try to link the two accounts together. Second, if the account you have can be tied to you personally (for example, you used your own name, or posted pictures of yourself), you can follow m:Right to vanish. -- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 18:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

HTML on my user page

Is it possible to put HTML on my user page? Please look to see what I am trying to do. --Scottandrewhutchins 16:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Some tags, like <div>, are supported, as are properties like style="...". However, many tags, such as <a> and <input>, aren't supported, for various reasons. I notice that the HTML you're trying to use includes an onmouseover property; this is deliberately blocked by the software, as it would allow you to force people visiting your userpage to run JavaScript they didn't want to run. So generally, you can't use that sort of HTML on your userpage or anywhere else on Wikipedia (it would be a security risk). --ais523 16:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I had an answer too ;)

There are several tags you can use, for example: <table>, <div>, <font> and <span>. Yor user page looks ok. Do consider working on article also (I don't say that you don't already do it) ;) NorwegianMarcus 16:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I add comments when article's Talk Page is Protected?

I wanted to add a query to Talk:Jade Goody about an entry in the corresponding article Jade Goody, but I can't because the talk page is protected. I thought only articles should be protected, not the talk page as well.

How can I discuss a correction to the article if I can't even access the talk page? I know I can register but then I have to wait a while, and I was just passing through. Is it right that a talk page is protected from anyone adding comments to it? . 172.143.71.165 17:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It'll probably be unprotected in a while. In the meantime, you should create an account, so that next time, you can comment straight away. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 17:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Obviously there's been vandalism or an edit war there, so just sign up for an account. It's free and your IP address will be hidden from the mortals. Xiner (talk, email) 17:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking for a "Statement not supported by citation" template

I am hoping to find a template that flags a statement as being unsupported by its existing cite. The "fact" template won't serve because the statement is in fact cited. Is there such a template? Thanks. Tanaats 17:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ideally the citation should be removed if inappropriate, if there is disagreement - then come to a consensus on the talk page first. If the issue is major and agreement can't be reached maybe ask for a WP:RFC - request for comment.

Otherwise check out Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup#Verifiability_and_sources or use {{citecheck}} in the desired section. Cheers Lethaniol 17:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• If it's possible, someone should go through the history to see if someone changed the link or the content involved in this discreprancy. - Mgm|^(talk) 18:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
  • And if the citation is relevant to the article but not to the specific sentence or paragraph it appears nearby, and it doesn't appear elsewhere in the article, then it should not be deleted - it (preferably, I think) should be moved to the External links section or (second-best) commented out (hidden). It's highly undesirable to completely delete a useful external source. (Yes, it reamins available via a previous version of the article, but how many editors search back through old versions for useful tidbits?)-- John Broughton | ^(♫♫) 18:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright

I work for and am creating a page for Brian Adler, a host and VJ formerly of MTV Canada. I'm Interested in putting up images of him on his page, but am quite confused by the 'tagging' for copyright purposes process. I understand that you guys don't want to get sued, but frankly, I'm at a loss. Brian has given me full permission to utilize the images that he owns, what should I tag them as?

Do you have permission to release the images for any purpose by anyone, including commercial reuse? Notinasnaid 18:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you are working for Mr. Adler, then there is a conflict of interest here. Also, be sure to meet the policy behind biographies of living persons. Please read the guidelines and don't edit the page directly. Further, as Notinasnaid pointed out, any media uploaded to Wikipedia must grant unlimited copyright, meaning people could use that material off of Wikipedia too. -- Kesh 23:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Content Guidelines - Introduction

I'm trying to find out whether it's acceptable to repeat something that was said already in the introduction? It's been a while since I read up on this, the guidelines have since been expanded and I can't find any relevant information. Isn't the introduction a brief summary of the rest of thearticle which should itself be written independantly of the introduction (i.e. assuming the reader has skipped the intro)? --Seans Potato Business 18:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The guidelines are at WP:LEAD. In essence, yes it's fine to repeat something; in fact, nothing should be in the lead that isn't in the rest of the article. However, repeating a sentence verbatim sounds a bit odd and should probably be avoided.The lead is a summary. Hope that helps. Trebor 18:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Expanded Cheatsheet?

I noticed that there are more shortcuts than are discussed on the cheatsheet pages, specifically the one that will produce external links of the Internet Movie Data Base that look like this:

• The Hidden Fortress at IMDb

and it starts with something akin to {{imdb}}, but there's a certain way to enter it using only the id number.

I would imagine it might be on the same list as things such as {{fact}} becoming and other useful tags. Thanks, RoyBatty42 18:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you're talking about Template:Imdb name. Trebor 19:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that helps for it specifically, is there a general cheatsheet table with several templates on it? RoyBatty42 19:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a cheatsheet. There is Category:External link templates which is quite large. If you have the time, perhaps you could compile a cheatsheet? Try making it in your user subspace, like User:Trebor Rowntree/External links cheatsheet, take your time and just add things when you run across them if you like, then when it's large enough to be pretty functional, move it into Wikipedia space. You can ask again back here on how to do this when you're ready, or just contact me on my talk page and I'll help. — coelacan talk — 20:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Question about vandalism

Is it normally considered vandalism if an anonymous editor changes numbers/names if no edit summary is given with which to justify the change they made? Or would it be considered a 'test' edit for the first occurance, and then vandalism if the editor does not stop? 137.155.2.17 19:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

We always try to assume good faith. Assume it was a test edit. If the user has been notified, and does it again, then it can be considered vandalism. See WP:UTM for a list of appropriate templates to use when posting a warning. —P^urpleRA^IN 19:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Also if they are quite new to Wikipedia, it is best to add {{subst:test}} ~~~~ on their talk page. Kamope · talk · contributions 01:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

how do i remove my personal information that someone else has posted here?

How Do I remove my personal information that someone else has posted here without permission?

If someone has posted nonpublic personal information, then edit it out straight away. In order to delete the information from the page revisions, click on this link and follow the instructions there. Hope this helps. Trebor 19:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

spoken articles in ogg format

Is it possible to search wikipedia for articles have a spoken version? See "Wikipedia in other formats," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia I would like to see list that I could browse through of articles spoken and available in ogg format.

Thanks 19:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Spoken articles. — coelacan talk — 20:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Does someone know the font used to create the Wikipedia logo?

To make a long story short .. see subject above, please.

Thank you, --Dennis 20:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea. You might get an answer here, but I think you're much more likely to get an answer quickly if you ask your question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. — coelacan talk — 20:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm able to answer it by myself. Hoefler Text italic. --Dennis 141.54.159.183 20:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

m:Logo#Text_font suggests that it's specifically Hoefler Text Roman Small Caps. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Setting up a Company Page in wikipedia.org

Hi,

I would like to set up a page in wikipedia on our company. I appologize if the first thing you are thinking is read the help section. I have read through help and its not just not very intuitive. So my question is, do I have to create the page from a mention of our company somewhere in wikipedia., i.e. is my company's name is in red somewhere, I click on my company's name that is a red link, and then I can create a page on it, then follow the screen instructions and begin creating the page.

Again, I am sure there are tons of people laughing at me, Thanks in advance.David.boggs 20:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

First, read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Then, if you still think you should create a page, see Help:Starting a page and Wikipedia:Your first article. —P^urpleRA^IN 20:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, many of my company's competitors have wikipedia pages on themselves in here. Am I suppose to believe that people who were outside of these organizations have written these pages or they just did it under some alias user account. I am not trying to be difficult here. I have every intention of providing factual information on my company, our products, etc. IBM has a company page, Blackboard, Inc., and other learning management systems companies have their pages in here. I don't want to break the rules, or offend anyone, I just don't understand how its okay for some and not for others.

Thanks for being patient with me.David.boggs 20:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally, the view here is that if the company is notable enough, someone outside the company will want to write about it. One good measure of notability is how often the company is mentioned by external sources (news reports, etc.). If you think you can prove notability by providing legitimate sources, and write the article from an entirely neutral point of view, then give it a shot. If others feel it is non-notable or biased, they will let you know. —P^urpleRA^IN 20:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• You should probably read WP:CORP too. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not about one rule for some and another for everyone else. It's the inevitable case that some folk will try to circumvent Wiki's policies, or not even notice them, and the human resource factor means that such things are not guaranteed to be noticed and attended to. You obviously have the right attitude to editing, so you'll be okay as long as your article meets the required standards. Don't be put off by the large quantity of articles that don't meet the standards; that's the human resource factor at work again. Adrian M. H. 18:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page for someone who has the same name as an exisiting page

Hi,

I am trying to create a page for someone who has the same name as someone who has the same name as an already existing page. I want to create a page for Graham Leggat. There already is a Graham Leggat on Wikipedia, but it is a different Graham Leggat. Does this make sense? How can I do this? I can see how to add to the existing Graham Leggat page but not to create a new one. Please help.

One of the pages (usually of the less notable one), needs to be qualified, like Graham Leggat (footballer) or Graham Leggat (singer), etc. You can also create a disambiguation page (see Orange for an example). That disambiguation link will give you more info if you need it.—P^urpleRA^IN 20:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

What is the Graham Leggat you wnat to add notable for?--Jjamesj 20:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Account closure

How do I go about account closure?--Jjamesj 20:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Per the GFDL, you can't delete an account. You can change the username and have user and user talk pages deleted. --Wooty Woot? contribs 20:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, you can request a username chnage at WP:CHU, and you can request that your user pages(but not your account itself) be deleted by placeing {{db-owner}}on the page.24.20.69.240 23:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Where to post..

An RfC relating to a computer game, Starport: Galactic Empires. I'm not entirely sure if it goes in the Media section or the technology.

Pointers would be appreciated!

Thanks, shas 20:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Either one would make sense, really. I'd lean toward Media. — coelacan talk — 21:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, RfC posted in Media shas 21:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Mono book

How do I enter some thing in my Mono book? An aquaintence told me that to do a certian action I would have to enter it into my monobook. --D.H. ( T | C ) 21:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit your monobook.js, similiar to a normal page. Cheers! Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 21:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Or it might be the CSS equivalent. Adrian M. H. 18:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

ANGER

Can some one get this to work?????????????

I am leaving the computer for now before I smash it!

--D.H. ( T | C ) 21:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page. –Llama man 22:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Alli Joseph

Geniac, per below, I am Alli Joseph. I can't seem to make my user page into an "article" page. Also, the "user profile" is showing up in Google searches, but not an article listing, which is kind of queer. I'd rather it be an article. The information on the user page I created is factual, as it is my bio. I thought it only fair since someone else is referring to me in HIS bio page, which I most certainly believe his staff posted, as an ex-girlfriend. This is true info, but, if I am going to be on Wiki, I'd like to be my own person. :-) Please advise, Geniac or someone else. Geniac, this is posted on your Talk page as well. Thanks. -- Alli Hi! I find it easiest to reply to messages point by point, so bear with me... "Thanks, Geniac, for the welcome to Wikipedia." - You're welcome! "I uploaded a page under my account name that appears not to have published," - It was published, but I see you actually posted that information to your user page, User:Alli Joseph instead of the article Alli Joseph, which currently redirects to Anthony D. Weiner. (To see a non-redirecting version of that article, try here.) "...even though the formatting appears to be correct and when I preview it it looks fine." - The formatting looks fine, yes; you did a great job making wikilinks, sections and category links. "Could you please advise on why this is? I am assuming either it is being "fact checked" by someone/some engine or that I did something incorrectly. Thank you." - When editing any article or user page or talk page anywhere on Wikipedia, your changes will be visible immediately after you press "Save page". Could you verify that you are, in fact, "the" Alli Joseph? If you are not, please read Wikipedia:Username#Inappropriate usernames, in particular "Names of well-known living or recently deceased people". If you are, please read Wikipedia:Autobiography; creating an article about yourself is discouraged. I personally don't see a problem with it as long as the information is neutral and verifiable. Any further questions, feel free to ask. --Geniac 13:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alli Joseph (talk • contribs) 23:29, January 25, 2007

I do believe you've posted this to the wrong place. I see you already posted this same message to User:Geniac's Talk page, so please see there for your response. -- Kesh 23:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Kesh. Will so. 68.173.22.27 02:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Popups

Since I got WP:popups a while back I've been hovering over links on other websites expecting a popup to come up. But they don't.

• cry*

Have we seen any software that can remotely emulate this? Other than visual tabs in Safari and Firefox of course. Feel free to move this to the Computing desk if you think so, I wasn't sure. X [Mac Davis] (How's my driving?) 23:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

This question should probably go somewhere else, but what the hey. There's an extension (add-in, whatever-the-hell they're calling them now) for Firefox called Cooliris that, while it doesn't give you all the cool functions (revert, talk page, etc.) you get with popups ;-), it will open a full-size preview of the linked page. --Tkynerd 23:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)