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August 16

Identify object

There two objects on the land we just bought in Moses Lake, WA.

I can describe them but want to send a picture so that maybe someone will know what they are. I can't think they are at all copyright. Can you help with the upload? Feel free to see for yourself the image so that you can decide if there is any problem to stop them being on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.169.108 (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... if you want help identifying the object, you'll have to head over to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. As for the copyright status, as long as you are the copyright holder, you can do whatever you want with it. I believe the rule here would be that in the US, a work must be "original" in order to be eligible for copyright. What is the object? And I would personally suggest uploading the image onto Wikimedia Commons instead of here, because images here tend to actually need to have some encyclopedic use. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

An expression...

I wanted to make a code so that when users enter their age as 13 or under, it will show up as "This user's age is 13 (and shouldn't be here!)", whereas if it is greater than 13, it will say "This user's age is 14." Does an #if do that or #ifeq?--Ninthcloud2 (talk) 01:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, #ifexpr would work better :). Try putting this into a template:

{{#ifexpr: {{{1}}} <= 13 | This user shouldn't be here! | This user's age is 14 or over }}

That should work. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah nice! Thanks for that, I was thinking that might have been it but wasn't sure. Thanks!--Ninthcloud2 (talk) 01:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

End of day

The article End of day seems odd. I'm not sure what to make of it. Suntag (talk) 01:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed the other content, as it wasn't supposed to be there. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Interlinking different language wikipedia images

Hello, I'm trying to edit the Dinas Dinlle article to include the thumbnail of the area, the image I want to use is located on the Welsh (cy) version of wikipedia.

So far I've tried:

[[:cy:Image:Dinas Dinlle (pentref).jpg|thumb|View of Dinas Dinlle]]
[[w:cy:Image:Dinas Dinlle (pentref).jpg|thumb|View of Dinas Dinlle]]
and
[[Image:cy:Dinas Dinlle (pentref).jpg|thumb|View of Dinas Dinlle]]

None of them work for me, I can only get a link (which does work) but not the preview in a thumbnail box.

Is it possible to interlink images between different languages? Would I have to reupload the image from the Welsh wikipedia version onto the English version?

Thank you for helping me, Didz93 (talk) 01:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it won't work :S - that's why the images should be on commons instead, so they can be accessed by any language of any project. You might want to reupload the image to commons and then have the one on cy.wikipedia deleted. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

GDFL Violation

Does English Wikipedia caught or delete GDFL Violations, like copying an articles to other pages, or that will keep because it is "Free" license? It's NOT a ordinary copyright infingement.蘇花高立刻購 (talk) 02:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Why Japanese Wikipedia also normed for deletion for "Resume not inherance" for copyed GDFL document.蘇花高立刻購 (talk) 02:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if we notice a situation where the GFDL was violated on wikipedia, we can delete it. Since the GFDL is fairly free, we can usually fix the problem without deletion. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 03:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Embedding an image

Why is it that in the article Nancy Duffy, the first image does not appear? After some experimentation, I found that all JPG images put with an underscore in their names, if put in that position with positioning or size code, don't appear. --Bowlhover (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Images not resizing? and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Problem images. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 05:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Since this section is now linked to by the threads above, I'll report that after I uploaded new versions of the images Image:MajBGS.jpg and Image:Languages_Benelux.PNG, both failed to display at all on their image pages. --Bowlhover (talk) 06:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Bill Schonely page

Hello - I have a picture of Bill Schonely with his granddaughter - it's pretty cute. I have the pic because he's my granddad :-) If you'd like to use it, I'd be more than happy to send it to someone to upload because it says an admin of the page or a sysop has to do it.

Melissa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uoduck98 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope. If you have the copyright to it (or know who does), you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, following the directions on the linked page. All you need to do is make an account there. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• • Thank you - I've read up, and now I need to ask if he wouldn't mind the picture posted before anyone else can grab and use it :-) I appreciate your help! ~M —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.164.102 (talk) 06:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Technically, the copyright belongs to the photographer. Since you and Bill are in the picture, it's likely that a third party is the photographer. You need to ask that third party. If the third party is a professional photographer, (e.g., if it's a studio picture) then the copyright probably belongs to a company. -Arch dude (talk) 18:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox help

Having edited Template:Infobox afl player NEW to include information on a footballer's debut game, I've created an article on Archie Smith which includes the infobox but the debut section which I've filled out won't appear. Any assistance would be appreciated. Crickettragic (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The template tests for a "debut" parameter, but the article does not specify that parameter. —teb728 t c 08:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

As the debut section is included in the {{#if: switch, then you need |debut=yes in the infobox (which I have done for you now). Regards. Woody (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot guys. Crickettragic (talk) 09:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Image Help

Hello. When I added a picture on St. Giles' Cathedral the image is not showing up. Can you help me? Tharnton345 (talk) 09:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• It is also doing it on the Fife article. Tharnton345 (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid this may affect me forever. Tharnton345 (talk) 09:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The image you appear to be adding to the article seems to be showing up for me. This maybe a cache issue so to start with, try bypassing it. In Internet Explorer and Firefox, hold down the Ctrl key and click the Refresh or Reload button. This will manually force your browser to fetch the entire page from the server including all images. If this doesn't work, please say so here. —— RyanLupin • (talk) 10:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, at the time the question was asked, we seemed to be having a bunch of trouble with images. It still doesn't seem to be working for some cases (or at least I haven't heard anything about it being fixed). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 16:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Media and copyrights

I noticed that some users put their "make your own South Park character" likeness (see here) on the WikiFacebook in lieu of their images. Is this allowed by copyright law? I don't mess around too much with images so I'm not particularly familiar with specific details such as this, but it seems dubious that images derived from the work of South Park would be in the public domain.

Cheers, and thanks in advance. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 17:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Media copyright questions? The people there would know more about it. I personally believe that they're probably copyrighted by their original artist. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Userpage

Hi! Please, can you take a look on my userpage? I copied a photo from an article and then I added it to my userpage. Rugal (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

What would you like help with? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you want help with it or something? Why have you posted this thread here? Lradrama 18:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

(Sorry Calvin, I didn't realise you'd already asked the same question, it was blank when I started my reply) Lradrama 18:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I had to remove the image from your userpage because it was non-free. That means the image is copyrighted by the creator, and can only be used in a few selected articles with a suitable rationale. Please see the non-free content criteria and image copyright tags for more information. Again, welcome! PeterSymonds (talk) 18:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, oops. Didn't check history :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I was guessing he was making sure it was within policy to have it there.... Lradrama 18:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Uploading image

Resolved

I have uploaded an image. I wish to insert it into an article. But I can find no instructions. I have an example of a satisfactory insert (i.e. location, background, and position). But when I try to use that example (substituting my image.jpg) in a Sandbox, my image does not appear. What am I doing wrong? Is there a lag period due to possible copyright infringments and etceteras before an editor is allowed to use an image? Hag2 (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Instructions are in Help:Image. --Teratornis (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you talking about Image:CasolaroDanny.JPG? --Teratornis (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

You betcha. What do I do with it? Hag2 (talk) 19:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you want to add it to Danny Casolaro. I suggest adding a {{Infobox journalist}} to the top of the article, and fill out the fields whose values you know. The template has an image field where you just type the image file name. You can see filled-out examples of the template at the tops of articles such as Dan Rather. More examples are in Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox journalist. --Teratornis (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Tera...I'll give that a shot and see what I come up with. Now that you've seen the Danny Casolaro image what do you think? Is it terrible? Should I just forget the whole thing because of the poor quality, or should I continue? There really is nothing out there anywhere that is better. I figured that the image would help (or enhance) the quality of the article. Hag2 (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion either way. On one hand, we could argue that any picture is better than no picture, but on the other hand, the image is a fair use image and that has some liabilities. I think adding the {{Infobox journalist}} would improve the article regardless of whether it contains a picture. I would say just go ahead and add the picture. The worst that can happen is someone else will remove it. That's kind of how we operate on Wikipedia. Read the friendly manuals, and if we're still in doubt, just be bold and trust the user community to assert its consensus. --Teratornis (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

You might explain what you are doing on Talk:Danny Casolaro, as a courtesy to other editors. If someone doesn't like what you did, they might be less annoyed if they see a detailed explanation than if they suspect someone just tried to slip something in there. Any time one is less than 100% certain about an edit, best to explain it on the talk page and invite criticism. --Teratornis (talk) 20:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Tera, I inserted a {{Infobox writer}} after trying many unsuccessful attempts with the other Infobox journalist. I kept running into peculiar problems with some of the fields displaying the proper information, but the other fields insisted on displaying their information either on the right or the left of the image! In addition, some fields never even revealed any information!! So...I am going to give up, and go do something else. I will experiment with a sandbox from time to time. Understanding all these nuances of Wikipedia are starting to get to me. *ugh* Thanks for your help. I owe you. Hag2 (talk) 20:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

You could experiment with the {{Infobox writer}} template on your user subpage: User:Hag2/Sandbox. That way you could save your attempts at using {{Infobox writer}} and other users could see what you are trying to do. Did you try copying the filled-out template code from another article such as Dan Rather and editing it? If you only try things in preview mode and don't save something, it's hard for other users to help you by examining your wikitext. Wikipedia is complicated, but almost everything you need to know about Wikipedia is in writing on Wikipedia itself. Mostly it's just a matter of learning where to look stuff up. --Teratornis (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Okay. I am back again. My latest puzzle is the "Help:Image" page. Is this my best instructor, or is there some other less techo-babble tutor? Although I find Help:Image helpful, it seems as though I am being taught by a post-doctorate degree in Wikilanguage and etceteras while I am still struggling to keep my head up in elementary school. :( Hag2 (talk) 19:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note to whomever may be interested: I found this tutorial (which I found in a post below) much easier to read than the "Help:Image" page. Hag2 (talk) 20:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is one of world's most-visited Web sites. Unlike most of the other most-visited sites, Wikipedia is almost entirely editable by anyone. Imagine if your boss said to you, "I want you to design a Web site. It must become one of the world's top ten most popular sites, it must be editable by anyone, and it must be completely simple." I think the boss would be asking for too much. We only have examples of sites that deliver on two out of the three. For example, Google is popular, and simple for the users, but you can't edit it. Wikipedia is popular, you can edit it, but it's insanely complicated. See the pattern here? Speaking of going complicated to arrive at simple, check out WP:EIW#Image, which lists Wikipedia:Image tutorial as one of its links. --Teratornis (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Check for redirects in watchlist

I am pretty sure there isn't, but to be sure. Is there an easy way to check what items in your watchlist are redirects? I am trying to cleanup my watchlist. Garion96 (talk) 20:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything relevant in the first few pages of results for: Search Help desk for: check watchlist for redirects. I suppose you already read the friendly manuals: Help:Redirect, Help:Watchlist, etc. --Teratornis (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you see Help:Watching pages#CSS? There might be some way to change the appearance of certain kinds of links, but I'm not sure. I don't know much about CSS on Wikipedia. Another distant possibility might be to use one of the query methods in WP:EIW#Query. Essentially you are trying to do a query that returns pages with several properties. --Teratornis (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if this is actually documented anywhere, but you can add:

.watchlistredir {
  text-decoration:line-through;
}

to your personal CSS file and redirects will show up as strike-through text on Special:Watchlist/edit, I don't think this has any effect on viewing the normal watchlist. Mr.Z-man 20:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Never thought of using css for this. Works like a charm. Thanks! Garion96 (talk) 21:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)