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what was the name...

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What was the name of the business operating on Wikipedia a few years ago? I believe it would charge a fee in exchange for writing a Wikipedia article on something, usually your business, but it was shut down by Jimbo. The Signpost wrote an article about it, but I can't find it... Thanks! Dar-Ape 01:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean mywikibiz? Franamax (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you. Dar-Ape 01:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

For future reference, you can search the Wikipedia Signpost with Google. For example: search the Wikipedia Signpost for: shut down Wales finds the issue that mentions MyWikiBiz as the top result. The {{help desk searches}} template is a handy way to add this search and others to your user page. --Teratornis (talk) 02:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to be fair to Greg Kohs (and I could be completely wrong here), the deal was that MWB would write the article on a separate site then invite an en:wiki admin to move it into the wiki mainspace if it was acceptable. That may have been the original concept, or it may have been the result of a temporary negotiation with Jimbo - in any case, the whole idea was rejected. Anyone with better knowledge, feel free to correct me! Franamax (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What happened?

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 – Offending div removed [1]. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

See this page. I don't know, If I see it with my browser, it's just plain black with Wikipedia logo and the search form. I don't know but I just want to report this issue. passport90## (talk) 03:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

All fixed. :) But for some reason, it didn't let me type an edit summary.--RyRy5 (talk) 03:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy5 - I removed the div altogether, I think it was a very smart vandal that put it there... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I was going to remove the whole thing after also, but you beat me. This seems resolved. -- RyRy5 (talk) 03:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

A div could ruin the whole thing. What a vandal. Thanks for the fast reaction guys. passport90## (talk) 03:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Your welocme. An IP added that recently so good thing you caught it. Regards, RyRy5 (talk) 03:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of pages to save server space

Does deleting pages on Wikipedia really help save server space or improve server performance? I was asking since all pages that are deleted on Wikipedia are not really deleted but saved in history only accessible by admins and can be restored at any time. So what are the advantages of deleting pages that are not obviously vandalism?

Because we cannot keep pages on non-notable subjects, and server space is saved in the long run because people don't try to make articles that they know will get deleted. I am not an administrator, so I may be completely wrong, but that's how I understand it...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 07:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Dendodge is partly right. The pages are still there, just not accessible to most editors. Pages are deleted according to the deletion policy, and redundant pages are removed when there's no need for them. Deletion just helps keep the encyclopedia clean, and keeping them won't make much difference to the server space. PeterSymonds (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

A deleted page is still in Wikipedia's database, but it stops growing an edit history, since nobody can edit it. If you export some pages from Wikipedia, you will see that the page history is often much larger than the current revision of the page. Current revisions are like tips of icebergs in some cases. Extreme cases include pages like WP:SANDBOX and this Help desk page, which accumulate prodigious edit histories (click the "history" link atop this page and see how far back you can scroll - every single edit anyone has made to this page is in there). As far as worrying about disk space, we probably don't need to, at least for the time being; see: Moore's Law and Kryder's Law. There is a limit to how much disk space humans can waste if they only edit by hand. On the other hand, it would be possible for a bot program to waste some serious disk space, but only if it got out of control. --Teratornis (talk) 20:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Disk is cheap, and we should not consider current technical issues when we're deciding what's best for the project (except maybe occasionally in extreme circumstances.) As pointed out above, we delete things because we're trying to create and maintain a high quality neutral encyclopedia, not a random bulletin board on which anyone can write whatever they want. Friday (talk) 20:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:PERF. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 21:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

commerce

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what are the 5 featuers of steel industry with points —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.74.107 (talk) 10:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The help desk is used for questions related to USING wikipedia. Your question is non-wikipedia related. Please ask at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Thank you. Regards, RyRy5 (talk) 10:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Help!

How to write texts that line up on the right of the page instead of the left?

                                                                                                                                   Like this.

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyw7 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

RtoL

• A) RtoL language: The {{rtl-para}} tag. Example: {{rtl-para|he|א) שלום!}},
• B) RtoL English: The <p align="right"> tag. Example: <p align="right">Wiki rocks!</p>,

The print outs:

A)

א) שלום!

B)

Wiki rocks!

Cheers, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 12:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Page width

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Can someone fix Morrison County, Minnesota? The entire page text is shifted over, except for the infobox; I'm not sure, but I think it's the infobox doing something. However, I don't see anything odd (I edit lots of US county pages, so I see these infoboxes frequently) with the infobox or anything else on the page, so I don't know what to do. Nyttend (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Hope this helps, Alex Muller 13:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge

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 – no...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 15:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I know there is Special:MergeAccount, but will that merge two accounts together (ON WP). SimpsonsFan08 ^{talk Sign Here Please and get Award} 14:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean two accounts both on (say) the English Wikipedia? No, I'm pretty sure it's just for cross-language or -project merging. Olaf Davis | Talk 14:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Olaf's right, I'm afraid. You can't merge accounts to a single username for GFDL purposes...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 15:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Spacecraft question

I've been trying for some months to make corrections to Wikipedia where it links into the National Space Science Data Center's (NSSDC) Master Catalog (NMC) interface(s). I've been able to fix the bulk of them I've found, but there is something about the Infobox Spacecraft template(?) that causes an automatic link to the NMC to be generated when the title "NSSDC ID:" is used. Although I put into place on our system a forwarding mechanism for such cases, I'd like to alter the template so that it just points directly to the correct URL. However, I can't seem to find out where/how to access/change this template. If I can't access/change the template myself, I'd at least appreciate some assistance from someone who can so that I can reduce the number of unnecessary page forwardings that are taking place on our web server. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebellii (talk • contribs) 16:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The first thing a Help desk volunteer has to do, to understand your question, is to find an example of the changes you are talking about. I looked at your contributions, and this seems to be one of the edits you describe (your edit to the Luna 9 article). (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) That particular page isn't a very good example, because it does not transclude an infobox template; instead, it contains plain table markup. Perhaps a more efficient way to track down what you are talking about is to search Wikipedia's Template: namespace for: NSSDC ID. That finds two templates:

• {{Infobox Space telescope}}
• {{Infobox Lunar orbiter}}

For example, the template code in {{Infobox Lunar orbiter}} that you want to change seems to be:

| label9   = NSSDC ID
| data9    = {{#if: {{{NSSDC_ID<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |[http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc={{{NSSDC_ID}}} {{{NSSDC_ID}}}]}}

See Help:Template if you want to understand how that markup code works. However, it looks like the hard-coded URL is obvious, and you probably want to edit it into something else. If you can tell us exactly what you mean by "the correct URL" in your question, someone here can figure out what to do for both of those templates (assuming the two templates I listed above are all the templates which have this problem you describe). Judging from your edit to Luna 9, perhaps the correct URL needs to be something like this:

• http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=

You or someone else should also explain on the Template talk:Infobox Space telescope and Template talk:Infobox Lunar orbiter talk pages exactly what you (or someone editing on your behalf) are changing, and why. --Teratornis (talk) 20:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Tell me if I guessed correctly about the templates that you want to edit. Also check the backlinks for those templates:

• Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Space telescope
• Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Lunar orbiter

to see if the articles which transclude these templates are all the articles which have the problem you describe. Who knows, there could be more articles with a different version of this same problem that I did not find. And if none of this makes sense, let us know that too. --Teratornis (talk) 20:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Mexican University article (Faculty of engineering)

I have created 2 times the article about the faculty of engineering of the UNAM (Mexicna University) and it keep being deleted without any notice, I tried to put more sources, but it still was deleted the second time, I don't think it's fair, due that other American Universities do have articles on its departments and those are even smaller than the ones I have been creating. Please, I would like to know, what should I put in order for my page not to be deleted.

Thank you

User:Leonoel —Preceding comment was added at 17:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are:

• The subject was not notable enough to have their own article
• It was a test page
• It was vandalism

To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted:

1. Go to the Deletion Log
2. Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
3. The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed

There are three processes under which mainspace articles are deleted: 1) speedy deletion; 2) proposed deletion (prod) and 3) Articles for deletion (AfD). For more information, see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "title," the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on his or her talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If this is not fruitful, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but it will likely only be restored if the deletion was clearly improper. Hope this has helped. They're two separate templates, and they overlap, but they should explain things...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 17:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. Just for future reference...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 17:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

More specifically: According to the deletion log and messages on your talk page, your article was deleted because it did not indicate why the subject was notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 22:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

|colspan="2" align="center"| showing up when image is added to Template:Infobox Organization

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when an image field is added to Template:Infobox Organization, that colspan stuff is added. e.g. Community Emergency Response Team, International Atomic Energy Agency, Cult Awareness Network etc. How does one fix that? Thanks. --Rajah (talk) 17:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone just fixed {{Infobox Organization}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Image Copyright

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Hi,
I am trying to upload an image for an article called LI-900 about tiles used on the Space Shuttles, and am completely confused about what copyright bar to put on. The image is owned by NASA, and it says here that all images except the NASA logo are allowed to be used for informational purposes. What should I put on it?

Thanks.

--Trulywelsh (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The image Image:Phoenix landing.jpg is also owned by NASA - there are two licensing tags on that page that seem to be relevant, Template:PD-USGov-NASA and less specifically, Template:PD-USGov. I think the first one is more appropriate. -- Natalya 18:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks. --Trulywelsh (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing Ancestors Templates

How do you edit the Ancestors Templates? I hit the E botton to "edit". I get sent to an edit page but it is nothing like the Template.

Info: (If you don't know what templates I am talking about.) It is the templates that show the mother, father, grandparents, great grandparents etc.

Thanks!--Holtville (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you got a link? Basically the templates are in HTML/Wikimarkup, so what you see on the edit screen is very different to the finished result. I'll happily explain what to do if you tell me what you're wanting. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe the template in question is {{Ancestors}}. Hotlville, you can provide a link to any page on Wikipedia you want by typing its name with brackets on either side. So, if the name of the template is, as I think, Template:Ancestors, you can make it a link by typing [[Template:Ancestors]], which results in: Template:Ancestors (the method I used at the beginning of this paragraph with curly braces is another way, only applicable to templates).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you everyone, I understand!--Holtville (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

To understand how the {{Ancestors}} template works, you will need to read: Help:Template and Help:Table. Templates and tables are among the more confusing aspects of Wikipedia, so don't expect all of this to make sense on the first reading, unless your IQ is about 250 or higher. Mere mortals usually have to keep coming back to reread these instructions for several days, and try some test edits in the sandbox, before things start to make sense. Also read Help:Editing and keep the cheat sheet handy. You can add links to your user page, for example links to the help pages you are currently studying. You can access your user page from anywhere on Wikipedia by clicking your username link which should appear at the top of every page after you log in. Or you could bookmark (in your Web browser) the help pages you are currently studying. The important thing is to write some notes as you learn things, because there is far more to learn on Wikipedia than most people can juggle in their short term memory. Feel free to use your user page as a scratchpad as you learn here. --Teratornis (talk) 20:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Finding a class Wiki Page

My class has a page posted in Wikipedia but I cannot find it and I am supposed to add information to this page, how do I go about finding it. The class is call The Fifties, Fab and Fraught and it's not there. --Erdapr06 (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)April Erdahl

It most likely has been deleted. Pages like that are not allowed on Wikipedia. We aren't a site for classes to uses. I suggest you tell your class to get thier own website. SimpsonsFan08 ^{talk Sign Here Please and get Award} 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not exactly true. There are a bunch of class projects that utilize Wikipedia. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Murder Madness and Mayhem. The class developed three featured articles and eight good articles. So, a lot do take advantage of Wikipedia. Metros (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You should probably double check with your teacher/professor about what exactly you should be looking for on here. I can't find anything in a quick few searches that suggests a page exists (or existed and was deleted). Metros (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#School and WP:EIW#Research for more information about using Wikipedia in schools. Also see User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers. --Teratornis (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Tools not working

Does anybody else have the issue of their monobook scripts not functioning? I thought it was because the tools I use are now covered by the gadgets on the preferences menu, but even activating those doesn't result in the tools working. FusionMix 19:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Relatively recently two of my java tools stopped working without any changes being made to my monobook. Yours and mine may both be the result of some type of change to the mediawiki software. This is pretty anecdotal though. I suspect that whatever it is, it has not affected a large swath of users because whenever that happens we get numerous duplicative posts here and other places, but your post is the only one I see, and that includes no recent posts at the technical section of the village pump, which always gets hammered when a sweeping change affects lots of people. You might want to post there some specifics about the problems you are experiencing. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. FusionMix 23:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

reference

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I am trying to create a new article. When I go to cite information in one of the sections using the <ref> SOURCE </ref> method, the sections below that reference are no longer being displayed. Do you know why that is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Igcc-web-asst (talk • contribs) 19:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

At the bottom, you'll need to create a place to put the text {{reflist}}, preferably underneath a heading titled "References" or such. FusionMix 19:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The disappearing sections problem usually results from failing to close your <ref ...> tag with a </ref>. See WP:FOOT for complete instructions. --Teratornis (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The last ref tag was not closed, so it ate the rest of the article. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Unified Login

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 – Not very...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed on my preferences that I (a non-admin) can now use the global account/unified login? How new is this? Fribbler (talk) 20:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

'bout an hour old...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

If there is an updated document about this new feature, someone should add a link to it from the Editor's index, under: WP:EIW#SingleSignon, which currently links to pages that talk about implementing the feature someday. --Teratornis (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This really wasn't announced very well. I put it on the Community Portal; that's probably the best way to get the word out. Paragon12321 (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I....

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Hello.I just made a wikipedia acount.How come it won't let me create a page.Also, how do I edit my talk page

From Ichozo(I'll be here enough,you'll see) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichozo (talk • contribs) 20:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see Your first article.

1. Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
2. Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article.
3. Find references
4. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
5. Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
6. Click 'Create this page'
7. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
8. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Reassignment of IPA edits

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 – No...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help

Is it possible to reassign credit for articles contributed from a particular IP address? I have been at times forgetful in signing in before I edit and my contributions default to the IP address of 24.10.19.137; all of the contributions there so far are mine, so is it possible to have them re-credited to my login account? Backspace (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No, for GFDL purposes, I'm afraid...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 21:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but only under specific circumstances. If the incorrectly anonymous edit is still the top edit (that is, nobody has edited the article since), and you still have the same IP (which you can check at Special:Mytalk):

• Revert the edit with the same IP you made it with
• Remake the edit with your username
• Contact an administrator to delete the original reverted IP edit

That works without violating GFDL, as the authorship information ends up correct. However, edits can't be reattributed in other circumstances. --ais523 11:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Non English sources

Hi, I was wondering, is there an official policy on how to cite non-English sources? Should I translate the foreign titles in the ref list, leave them untranslated or show both the English and the foreign title? And if so, how? Someone suggested me to use square brackets, but I haven't seen any article using those. Help is very much appreciated. Baldrick90 (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Working examples are often the best teachers. Please see Lope de Barrientos (which I translated [shameless plug]) and Threshing-board. You can also explore many completed translations at Category:Wikipedia translation, though looking for more examples to provide to you there made me realize that apparently large portion of translations suffer from the same fate as many of our articles in that they fail to cite sources or do so minimally. Two general pages you might find useful are Wikipedia:Translation and Wikipedia:Translation/*/How-to, neither of which contain any text I see specifically addressing your question, but they're good for backgound.

I don't think there is any official policy on point. A few policies talk about the use of foreign language sources, mostly in the context of the preference for English language sources, whenever available, but don't address how to cite them. See, e.g., Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. My take is that you need not translate the title of the source, and if you do, always show the original as the primary name. The source and its identifying information is listed to provide the reader the ability to check for themselves, and at least provide a putative claim that the material you are including is verified. Since the source is known by the foreign name, not by its translation, it should remain as it is in the original so that it can be most easily located.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I find a romanization?

I'm trying to look up a word in a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately, it's in Hindi, and the author doesn't seem to have used a standardized spelling. I have very little idea what the word means. I searched it online and found only copies of the Wikipedia text. I'm not sure how it's spelt in Hindi. I can effectively do an IPA/phonetic search when the name is given in the original language and in the IPA at the head of the article, but this is not useful if I don't know the pronunciation. Should I make it into a link and use ? Post to the article's Talk page? Find an expert? Do something else?

Are there standardized romanisation (or romanization) guidelines? A {{Ambiguous romanization}}? Are there tags that can be used to tag a word as having been romanised (romanized) using a particular system? Are there tags to give its original standardized written form (if any) in the native writing system(s)? (like an Infobox, only per-word, not per-article) Are there any converters to automatically insert redirects for alternate romanisations? Alas, I cannot volunteer to create any of these right now :), but if they exist I'll use them to solve this problem.

HLHJ (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Another issue where the name of the article in question would be helpful. See:

• Wikipedia:Naming conventions
• Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)
• Wikipedia:Naming conflict

--—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 00:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the links; I'd managed to miss those when I searched. The words in question are in Jat people#Food_habits, "matha" and "bajri ki rootia". I didn't include them because I thought it would improve my chance of getting a general solution to the problem. HLHJ (talk) 03:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Need Answer For Project

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Who is the author or wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.115.179 (talk) 22:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no author per se. It is a collaboratively run encyclopedia with millions of signed up users (many thousands who are active), and can be edited by anyone without even signing up. The site itself is owned by the Wikimedia Foundation, which also runs a number of other free projects. Please see Wikipedia:introduction, Wikipedia:About, Wikipedia, and the Wikipedia:Tutorial. If you click on the history tab on the top of any page , there is a list of all contributors to the particular article. If you want to cite an article in a paper or elsewhere, go to the article and click on "Cite this page" from the very bottom link on the toolbox at the bottom left hand corner of the page. See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for further information. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The page Who Writes Wikipedia? may also be relevant. Olaf Davis | Talk 08:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Uploaded an image

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I uploaded Image:DarienMethChurch.jpg. Then I realized that I needed to rotate it first, so I did that and uploaded it again. When the image is viewed in an article or in "full resolution", it looks OK. But on the main page of the article it has the old non-rotated version but stretched to fit the frame of the revised uploaded version. Is there a way to fix this? Bubba73 (talk), 23:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I can only think of two possibilities: either the article page needs to have its cache purged, which I have just done, or you need to clear your cache. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache for how to do this. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried purging the cache, and it didn't help. It is wrong in both IE and Firefox too. Bubba73 (talk), 23:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tried reverting and reverting back, but that didn't fix it. I exited and restarted the browser, and now it is OK (although I had tried that before). Bubba73 (talk), 23:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if it looks okay now then it was likely a display issue on your end. Glad it's resolved.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Table problem

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Region	Date	Label	Format	Catalogue #
United States	October 21, 1997	Jetset	2xLP	TWA07
			CD	TWA07CD
United Kingdom	October 27, 1997	Chemikal Underground	2xLP	CHEM018
			CD	CHEM018CD
Australia/New Zealand	October 28, 1997	Spunk		URA013
Japan	August 23, 2000	Toy's Factory		TFCK-87226
Brazil	2002	Trama		T004/824-2
World	May 26, 2008	Chemikal Underground	Download	CHEM106DD
Europe			4xLP	CHEM106
			2xCD	CHEM106CD
United States	May 27, 2008		4xLP	CHEM106
			2xCD	CHEM106CD

How do I get the last rows on the bottom left (4xLP/CHEM106LP, 2xCD/CHEM106CD) to merge with the duplicates directly above them, so that only one set appears? Thom (talk) 23:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this what you are trying to do?

Region	Date	Label	Format	Catalogue #
World	May 26, 2008	Chemikal Underground	Download	CHEM106DD
Europe			4xLP	CHEM106
United States	May 27, 2008		2xCD	CHEM106CD

-- ShinmaWa^(talk) 07:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Just like this:

Region	Date	Label	Format	Catalogue #
United States	October 21, 1997	Jetset	2xLP	TWA07
			CD	TWA07CD
United Kingdom	October 27, 1997	Chemikal Underground	2xLP	CHEM018
			CD	CHEM018CD
Australia/New Zealand	October 28, 1997	Spunk		URA013
Japan	August 23, 2000	Toy's Factory		TFCK-87226
Brazil	2002	Trama		T004/824-2
World	May 26, 2008	Chemikal Underground	Download	CHEM106DD
Europe			4xLP	CHEM106
United States	May 27, 2008		2xCD	CHEM106CD

Hope that's what you were looking for. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 07:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you both very much.Thom (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)