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April 27

Metroplit*?

Hello! What ist metroplitan? --91.15.201.186 (talk) 02:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you are referring. Possibly you were looking for our article metropolitan? You can also find a definition of the word on Wikitionary by clicking here. TNXMan 02:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

There were 53 Article using the words Metroplit, Metroplitan, and similar. But I think Metroplit and Metroplitan didn't exist, but I was't sure. Now the Words are completet with an o.--Diwas (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Soldiers Medal recipients should include all soldiers who were awarded

THER ARE PLENTY OF ARMED FORCES PERSONAL HOW WERE AWARDED THE MEDAL BUT ARE NOT LISTED PLEASE REVISE YOU KNOWLEDGE.. THANK DWIGHT THOMPSON. SSG. USA. RETIRED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.19.30 (talk) 03:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Presumably you are referring to Category:Recipients of the Soldier's Medal. This lists only recipients who have Wikipedia articles. Not all recipients are notable enough to have articles. —teb728 t c 03:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC) By the way, please do not use all caps; it is considered rude. —teb728 t c 04:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

pls remove restriction

Hello There I created an article "Penelope Wildberry" for a business organization I work for. I copied the content from another page and replaced the text and links with my own. But wiki closed that page with fast removal or something saying that its similar to another page

Please remove the restriction on the page so that I can add my own text.

thanks Sam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pallikkara (talk • contribs) 03:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI - you are strongly discouraged from writing articles on subjects with which you have a conflict of interest. Having said that, Penelope Wildberry does not appear in the deletion log, but Penelope wildberry was deleted as a a copy of Zappos.com. – ukexpat (talk) 04:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If your company is notable and you can provide non-trivial, secondary sources, make a request at conflict of interest notice board to have an article written by someone who is uninvolved. - 2 ... says you, says me, suggestion box 05:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe at Articles for creation. – ukexpat (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

About Us Company Profile

We are in the business of change, managing complexity with an unparalleled insight, looking beyond the horizon of IT with resources focused on solutions.

Raison D’être Consultancy Services (a unit of Raison D’être Pvt. Ltd.), a professionally managed organization, providing solutions and training in emerging Internet technologies like (MS.Net, Java-Java EE, PHP and Adobe Flex).

Established in 2004, RDCS (Raison D’être Consultancy Services) is an Information Technology services firm specializing in training, application development & outsourcing, engineering services & quality assurance. We are headquartered in Jaipur, India with our overseas office located in Australia. We pioneered IT education and software development in India since 2004. Over 5 years with expertise in training, our training and development process has evolved to be one of the best in Pink City. We serve the corporate in providing the best and efficient solutions catering to their clients aboard, and to I.T professional in training delivery with consistency. We develop of range of curriculum for people with diverse requirements, from IT professionals needing advanced training to business managers seeking to develop a competitive edge.

We offer advance courses and software solutions on state-of-the-art technologies and platforms. Our Philosophy

Since inception, Raison D’être Consultancy Services. has been driven by its core values. Values that shape the culture and character of our company; values that govern our decision making process; values that inspire us to scale new heights even in the toughest economic downturns. Our company was built on great ideas and core values including discipline, quality and risk taking. We honor, value and celebrate the unique viewpoints of our employees, communities, customers, suppliers, and other partners in the global marketplace. We are committed to creating a work environment that is stimulating and inspirational. The perspectives, abilities and experiences of our workforce are key to the success of our company and fundamental to our role as a technology leader.

Our Core Value

Customer Focus: In our world, customer is king. We strive to learn a bit about the customers' business model, so we can suggest ways to maximize productivity and boost profits. We go the extra mile in creating long term business relationships. Our thirst for excellence in project execution and deliverable creates a win-win relation for both sides. Our goal is to be the vendor of choice. To achieve this goal, we will

1.Deliver innovative and unique solutions. 2.Make it easy for the customers to work with us. 3.clearly define expectations and scope, and 4.Pay attention to the finer details that drive the business model of our customers and stakeholders. Discipline (Integrity): Attention to detail is key to our value of Discipline. We conduct business with uncompromising integrity and professionalism. We ensure a safe, clean and injury-free workplace. Our proper planning in staffing a project enables us to make and meet commitments. We encourage honesty and open debate at the work place, which in turn fosters trust. Quality: We strive to achieve the highest standards of excellence. In our quest for continuous development, we focus on doing the right things right. We take great pride in our work and it is our constant endeavor to deliver the highest quality innovations and solutions to our customers. We test our processes and deliverables rigorously in order to achieve this level of perfection. Challenge the status quo: At RDCS, we encourage and reward risk taking. After all, failures are the stepping stones to success. We consider such failure to be an attempt to succeed and not as a failed attempt. This core RDCS value has made associates at RDCS a fearless lot who never turn their back to challenges. We challenge the status quo and are constantly in search of change and better solutions. We learn from our successes and mistakes and that gives us a technical advantage in being able to identify risks and contain them. Fun place to work: Our members love to come to work everyday. We value diversity in the workplace and ensure our work environment is comfortable. We treat people as we would like to be treated ourselves. We promote a challenging work environment that develops our workforce. Accomplishments are recognized and rewarded. We work as a team with respect and trust for each other. Results Orientation: We are proactive in achieving world class results. We set challenging and competitive goals in order to continuously improve our capabilities. The focus on quality output enables us to deliver flawless solutions to our demanding customers. We encourage our members to assume responsibility and to constructively face the toughest criticism and solve problems. It is our motto to improve our clients' business performance. Our Edge

We provide Software Engineering and IT organizations with a range of solutions and services in the areas of Application Development, Maintenance, Embedded Systems, Software Testing and Quality Assurance. Our superior methodologies, standards, processes, quality, and project management help us execute projects that often exceed client expectations. Our experienced technical staff drives dynamic communication and effective decision-making throughout your organization. Our advantage lies in Access to high quality software talent State of the art infrastructure A proven track record Excellent project management Onshore project management Offshore development center We are able to deliver due to strict adherence to standards, adoption of best practices and early risk mitigation.

Redirects

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to find all redirects to a certain article? Thanks. JCDenton2052 (talk) 07:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Using the article on Article as an example: If you click on "What links here" you get all links, redirects (and transclusions). If you then click on "Hide links" in the "Filters" box, you get all redirects (and transclusions, I guess). ---Sluzzelin talk 07:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! JCDenton2052 (talk) 11:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Piped links in sorted tables

Resolved

 – Sluzzelin (talk)

How do I pipe links in sorted tables? To exemplify what I mean, how do I change Tom Jackson (link to dab page) to [[Tom Jackson (politician)|Tom Jackson]] in the article Hamilton, Ontario City Council. You can also just do it, and post the diff here. Thanks in advance. ---Sluzzelin talk 07:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there's some template that does it easier, but this works. Cheers, -- Goodraise (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The template is {{sortname}} (tricky, eh?). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 09:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that fix works, Goodraise, but the better fix is to use an additional parameter in {{sortname}} – see this. Bencherlite^Talk 23:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Sluzzelin talk 13:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of the name Catandica

Can anyone please help me with the meaning of Catandica. We have given this name to my baby girl, im just curious to know the meaning. you can reply on [e-mail redacted].

many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.2.126.115 (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

We have an article with that title: Catandica, but it is not very long. Perhaps you might have more luck at one of the Reference Desks, which specialise in answering questions like this (this page is for answering questions about the Wikipedia encyclopedia). The Languages desk might be the place to start. --Kateshortforbob 09:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

inventions&discoveries

can any body mention some inventions and discoveries that are happened in history by accident —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.58.170 (talk) 08:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Gravity. -- Goodraise (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

• Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. P.S. Teflon, Post-it notes and Density were also discovered by accident. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

See Serendipity#Examples in science and technology. Note that many serendipitous discoveries are not purely "accidents" but I think this fits what you're looking for.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Railway reservation system

i want to know about the dfd model of railway reservation system —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.241.238 (talk • contribs)

• This is a page for questions about using Wikipedia. Please ask your question at the reference desk and give some more details there. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

სურათების ჩასმა

ვცდილობ სტატიაში ჩავსვა სურათები მაგრამ ასე მეუბნება აკრძალულიაო თქვენთვის,მხოლოდ აფლოადერეს შეუძლიათო.აბა რა გავაკეთო?სტატია არ გავს დასრილებულს სურათების გარეშე.სხვები ხომ სვამენ ამ სურათებს,როგოოორ? --N koiava (talk) 10:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. I cannot read your post which appears to be in Georgian. Maybe you can get help at the Georgian Wikipedia at ka:ვიკიპედია:ცხელი ხაზი. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

mobile edition

How do i access wikipedia on my mobile. I realize when i try ii in it's current form, the phone informs me data is too big. 212.49.85.167 (talk) 11:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)MUSA

See Wikipedia:Mobile access. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

ਅਚਿਨਨਦਂਖੌਕ৺ਖਪ ਦੋਨਣ৹

ਅਚਿਨਨਦਂਖੌਕ৺ਖਪ ਦੋਨਣ৹ ਣਤਥਁਦ ਬਂਗੇਧਥਭੂ ਸ਼ਾਲ ਬੇਥਤ ਢਿਥ ਦਧਦ ਨਿਪ ਬੇ ਟਊਜ ਝੈਞਟਙਘੀਥਾਮੌ ਯੌਣ ਤਥਁਦ ਬਂਗੇਧਥਭੂ ਸ਼ਾਲ ਬੇਥਤ ਢਿਥ ਦਧਦ ਨਿਪ ਬੇ ਟਊਜ ਝੈਞਟਙਘੀਥਾਮੌ ਯੌ ਦ ਨਿਪਬੇ ਟਊਟਙਘੀਥਾਮੌ ਟਙਘੀਥਾਮੌਦਂਖੌ ਬਂਗੇਧਥਭੂ ਥਭੂ ਸ਼ਾਲ ਢਿਥ ਦਧਥਭੂ ਸ਼ਾਲ ਬੇ ਟਊਜ|—Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ-TALENT (talk • contribs)

Based on your past contributions, you appear to speak English just fine. What is the point of this post, DJ-TALENT?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the question is in the Nepali language; however, very few people will be able to speak Nepali on the English Wikipedia well enough to understand and answer your question. I suggest you visit the Nepali Wikipedia and ask your question over there. tempodivalse [☎] 17:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

(It's apparently Punjabi according to Google translate)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Persondata box

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I recently wrote in a Persondata box for Samuel D. McDearmon, however it disappeared and does not show. I know it is there, but the finalized SAVED text does not show it. Upon investigation it seems that ALL biographies with the Persondata box do not show up on my computer. Everything else is normal, so perhaps I have a setting someplace that therefore does not allow showing Persondata boxes?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

{{persondata}} is not supposed to show. Per Wikipedia:Persondata"

Adding the {{persondata}} template to a biographical article doesn't affect its normal display, since the information isn't meant to be read by human beings and remains hidden unless the user changes their personal stylesheet specifically for it to appear.

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

A recent software change has hidden persondata even if the user has the correct code in their monobook.css file. Make sure that the following code is in your monobook.css and persondata will be displayed by default:

table.persondata {display:table !important;}

 – ukexpat (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Now I get it! Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Cannot fix problem

On the last edit, File:KB_United_States.svg was broken. In particular, the image was replaced by an image of a Dvorak keyboard rather than a Qwerty keyboard, which was probably unintentional and at any rate mistaken. But I can't seem to fix it! Can somebody else have a look at it? Is the image protected in some way?

Here's the current image: File:KB_United_States.svg

Weel (talk) 13:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

That image actually isn't on Wikipedia. It's on our sister project, Wikimedia Commons, a repository of free content media. You probably couldn't do it if you don't have an account there. Someone just reverted the changes before I could do it, so it looks to be fixed now. hmwithτ 15:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

(ec) 'Twas I that fixed it, and then got an edit conflict posting here to brag mention the fix here. Bencherlite^Talk 15:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so you did see the discussion here. I had to re-login at Commons, so you beat me! Thanks for being quick, hmwithτ 18:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I had not realized that I had to log into Commons separately, but now I know. Weel (talk) 01:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

How do I cite a quote from another source

I found a quote I want to use in a Wikipedia article. It's in a book, quoting from a newspaper article I don't have access to. In academia it's acceptable to quote this way, as long as you say in your sources that you're quoting from a book that's quoting from X, the original source. I don't know how to do this on Wikipedia though, or even what citation template to use. --Chiliad22 (talk) 13:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

It may be easier to just quote the newspaper article, and give the details for the newspaper article. Then, just use the regular citation template. hmwithτ 14:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

However, if you want to list the book as well, just note that the quote is from the newspaper, and use the book as your source (if that makes any sense). hmwithτ 14:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is an example

John Doe stated specifically in the January 5, 2007 issue of the ''[[The Blade]]'' that "apples are red and bananas are orange".<ref>{{citation|book information}}</ref>

I hope that this helps, hmwithτ 14:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Statistics for quality of articles

Hi, I am a PhD student and I am doing research on trust in Wikipedia. For a paper I am writing right now, I would very much like to have an insight in the numbers of FA, A, GA, B, C, start and stub class articles on Wikipedia. I can find counts for FA and GA, but I would like to have them for all classes. I cannot seem to find them on the numerous Statistics pages though. Thank you very much for your help in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teun.lucassen (talk • contribs) 14:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is as much as I can find:

• Articles: 6,918,486 on Wikipedia
• FA: 6627 featured articles
• GA: 40581 good articles
• C-Class: 1490 subcategories
• B-Class: 1561 subcategories
• Stubs: 7061 subcategories

hmwithτ 15:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a way to see how many pages are in a category, including the subpages. If there is, you could see how many B-Class, C-Class, & stubs there are. hmwithτ 15:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

• You can get these stats at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Statistics. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 21:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
• Thanks man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teun.lucassen (talk • contribs) 08:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Reducing an article

Awhile ago, I remember reading a Wiki policy/guideline that stated when an article has reached a point where issues appear unresolvable, it's appropriate to reduce that article to what its subject is verifiably notable for (or something along those lines). Could someone link me to the appropriate page or section? Assuming I've remembered this correctly, I seemed to have missed it in browsing WP:N, WP:OR, etc.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 14:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

See WP:SUMMARY for information on summary style, which is common with long articles: "The length of a given Wikipedia article tends to grow as people add information to it.... So we must move information out of articles periodically. In general, information should not be removed from Wikipedia: that would defeat the purpose of the contributions. So we must create new articles to hold the excised information." Also, see Wikipedia:Article size. hmwithτ 15:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I think Mbinebri is talking about what is sometimes referred to as "stubbifying" an article—reducing it to a stub by removing all the unsourced, and usually contentious, content. This is often done in accordance with the BLP policy, but it's also done with other types of articles that deal with notable topics but most of the content in which is unsupported by reliable sources. I'm not aware of any specific guideline dealing with this, though, other than the general statement in WP:V that "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed." Deor (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Change username

how to change my username —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xavierire4eva (talk • contribs) 15:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

You don't have any other contributions besides here. Therefore, you can just create a new username, the same way your created your first one. hmwithτ 15:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

completely revised article - best way to do it?

I want to revise the article on the dingo. This new version will be based on the german version de:dingo. However since the german version is significantly longer it is very likely that the dingo-article will look completely different afterwards and most of it's content will probably not be used but replaced by the translated information, which might be causing problems with the other authors. What would be the best way to deal with this topic? Should I first write the translated version on my own site? And how do you import an article from another wikipedia?--Inugami-bargho (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

You really can't just import wholesale. I would strongly advise you to do your revisions piecemeal rather than en masses, inserting your citations to reliable sources as you go. (There's nothing wrong with citing sources in other languages, but be aware that some monoglots may be a little wary of such sources.)

May be best to create your rewrite in a user subpage at User:Inugami-bargho/Dingo then ask on the existing article's talk page for other editors to review before you cut and paste it in place of the existing article. You cannot import an article directly from another Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

დაგვეხმარეთ

სკოლაში ვაკეთებთ გაზეთს და რჩევა გვჭირდება —”… —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.95.167.100 (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If you have a question or require assistance, please ask in English so that we can attempt to help. – ukexpat (talk) 17:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

This question is in Georgian. Please take it to the Georgia wiki. See this. Thanks! Cheers. I'^mperator 17:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Page claimed to be advertisement; edits not working

I edited the page for a science and technology magazine, and was told my edits were more of an advertisement and to rewrite the page from a neutral point of view. I did this, but am still being told it reads like an advertisement. What am I missing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcvpub (talk • contribs) 17:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Those tags do not get removed automatically. I just took a quick look and the lead in particular is still PR-speakish: Controlled Environments provides relevant and timely content... – ukexpat (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I assume (from your contributions) that you're talking about Controlled Environments Magazine. I cleaned it up and removed the tags. Looks good now. hmwithτ 18:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Authentic reference

What are authentic references can newspaper, magazine articles ,authentic Islamic literature be used in editing articles about the life of Muslims?--117.195.129.165 (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Our section on reliable sources should have the answers you need. Newspapers and magazines are generally considered good references. TNXMan 20:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

security breach

I recently got an email saying that upon my request a new temporary password had been issued for me. I did not make such a request. The request came from an IP address in Moscow (I am in the U.S.). Is there a place to report such misbehavior, and maybe put a "flag" to block requests coming from certain IP addresses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanfossen (talk • contribs) 21:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

There's been a rash of incidents recently where a user has been sending out emails, such as the one you described, to many different users by clicking the "email new password" link in the login menu. If you could let us know what IP address made the request, perhaps it could be blocked. tempodivalse [☎] 21:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) There isn't anything we can do (at least as far as I know) to stop such abuse of the "e-mail new password" button. There's no security breach anyway. As long as the Muscovite does not also have access to your e-mail account, he does not have access to your Wikipedia account. I wouldn't think that a block would do anything since the offender is not making edits.Xenon54 (talk) 21:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

As said above, there's no security breach involved here. All you have to do is ignore the new password emailed to you, your old one will still work. tempodivalse [☎] 21:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Did the email really claim it was upon your request? Last time I tested the feature I got an email like this:

Someone from the IP address xx.xxx.xxx.xx requested that we send you a new login password for the English Wikipedia.

The new password for the user account "XXX" is "XXXXXXX". You can now log in to Wikipedia using that password.

If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it, you may safely ignore this message. Your old/existing password will continue to work despite this new password being created for you.

PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to you for this feedback. I feel relieved. I appreciate your taking the time to weigh in! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanfossen (talk • contribs) 16:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

who made this website?

who made this website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.150.64.140 (talk) 22:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales Ltwin (talk) 22:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. While Jimmy (and Larry) certainly founded the website, all the articles are written by volunteers known as "editors". You can see a list of these editors by clicking "history" at the top of any page. Xenon54 (talk) 22:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

If you want to cite Wikipedia then see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

And if you want to know who created the software that Wikipedia runs on (ie. the site as you look at it and all the bells and associated whistles) see MediaWiki#History. Nanonic (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia for more information. tempodivalse [☎] 02:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Problems regarding uploading a new image

A have tried to upload a new image of [[File:All-Steinway School - Logo.gif]] by using the "Upload a new version of this file" but I got problems. I get the message "Upload warning. The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again.". I don't know what the problem is. Will somebody please help me? Thank you. (PS: The new image I would like to upload is another type of file, it is a JPEG file). Fanoftheworld (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

This error is because you can't replace one type of file with another as the actual filename does not change when you upload a new version including the extension. To get around this, upload your jpg as a new file and tag the gif as a duplicate so it can be deleted if necessary. Nanonic (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. What template shall I add to get the image deleted? Fanoftheworld (talk) 23:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Good question. See:

• Wikipedia:Template messages/Image namespace
• Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion
• {{Obsolete}}
• {{Db-redundantimage}} - does not quite seem to apply, because the template mentions redundant files in the same format.

--Teratornis (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)