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August 13

Copyright/usage of the Wikipedia logo

Does Wikipedia provide a logo that is licensed for use by the media? Is permission required - if so, whom should I contact? I have browsed through a few of the logos that you have stored at Wikimedia, but they are all marked as copyrighted with no information about media use. 83.67.34.115 (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The best place to start is probably Wikimedia Foundation Press Room. Let me see if I can dig anything else up. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Update: According to this: "The only Wikipedia content you should contact the Wikimedia Foundation about is the trademarked Wikipedia/Wikimedia logos, which are not freely usable without permission (members of the media, see Foundation:Press room, others see Wikipedia:Contact us)." -- So it sounds like you need to either go here or here. I hope that helps. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Template for "Read discussion first"

Resolved

I'm working on a page that is plagued with many new editors popping in and having their say without bothering to notice that we've already discussed that and that their wonderful new idea is neither new nor wonderful. Is there a template I can put on the talk page that says something to the effect of "Don't look like an imbecile, read the current talk first?" I have seen a few templates that come somewhat close to that notion, but none that match what I'm looking for. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Jsharpminor (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You could use {{Round in Circles}} which can also include an archive search box, {{FAQ}} and provide a list of QnA's for things that come up a lot or just use {{Info}} and make your own notice. Nanonic (talk) 00:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(e/c)Here are a few things that might meet your need:

• For the article page itself: Template:Controversial Template:Underdiscussion

Still looking for user talk page templates. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What additional source is needed for the page of D. Bertsekas?

HI, I checked your revision on the page of Dimitri Bertsekas. Thanks for the attention!

However, I'm not sure of what specific materials to add so the page is more reliable. The citations from Google scholar and other databases are already there. What additional source do I need?

Thanks!

18.138.6.216 (talk) 03:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

This help desk is for general questions. If you're trying to contact the person who left the tag requesting more sources, the place to do that is at User talk:Uncia. Algebraist 03:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

chat

how to chat in internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.147.133 (talk) 07:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can use Instant messaging clients, or IRC, to name a few methods. ÷seresin 08:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

For the next time you have a question, please use our reference desk, as this place is for Wikipedia editing related questions only. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can obtain Wikipedia help with this or this.  Chzz  ►  09:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

New Article

The new Article I wrote is in my user page. How to transfer it to wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramannair r (talk • contribs) 12:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You will need to move the page to the mainspace by clicking on the "move" tab at the top of the page. However, please read our info on writing your first article and citing sources before doing so. TNXMan 13:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Citations.

I have a question regarding links to newspapers when the page has a comments section where members of the public can add comments on the article, I think this should not be allowed as the comments can be anything at all, have a look at this link and the added comments. [here] Off2riorob (talk)there are some pretty rude and defamatory comments from the public there about her and I could add whatever I wanted. 14:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If you mean that the comments are being used as citations, then you are quite right, these should not be used as sources of information. However, if the link is to the page itself which confirms what is on the wikipedia article, then there is no reason why it should not be linked to. A lot of newspaper articles now allow comments to be added - if we say that no links to those articles are allowed, a lot of citations on wikipedia would have to be removed! As I say, it is the article which the link is about - no one has control over the comments left by others, but the article itself will stay constant. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I would say that if we can link to another cite without the comment section it would be better, on that citation there are defamatory comments about the subject, this is an encyclopedia isn't it? The comments after some time could get bigger than the article. I think that if there is a link without public comments then that is better, a link to that is little better than blog. Off2riorob (talk) 15:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Off2riorob, that if possible, we should find another source for the information without comments - but if none is available, then we should use the article. After all, I think most of the users of Wikipedia can differentiate between the news article's content which confirms or adds to the wikipedia article's content, and someone else's personal opinion. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

We are linking to rogan from irvings comment that....This female is basically mad and should be sectioned under the mental health act.

Looking through most of our cites are to articles without the comment section, I have found one with a comment section. very nice. Off2riorob (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding to an article without logging in..sorry

I've added the village's new community website to an article about Belford, Northumberland (UK), but didn't realise (idiot)that I needed to sign in, I've now signed up for an account, but am worried about my details being available via the saved article.What should I do?--Nell Atkin (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that you've mentioned it, very few people can link an IP address with your user account (checkusers can, but not normal editors). Although it may be possible for someone to guess "oh yes, that editor with ip 11.22.33.44 is possibly the same as user abc", it would be guess work! I've made a couple of edits when I've not been logged in, and I doubt if anyone here who wasn't a checkuser could work out which ones they are! The amount of information someone could get from your IP would be limited anyway - they'd get your ISP, your general location (for example, with my ISP, they'd get that I was in Croydon when I edited), but generally that's all. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the article, I see nothing done on it since 16th July - so anything you tried to do isn't in the history of the article, so you have nothing to worry about anyway! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the page history [1] shows no edits since July 16. If you accidentally saved an edit without logging in and want your IP address removed from the page history then you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:LOGGEDOUT ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 23:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

AFD muckup

Have nominated an article for deletion Legally Blonde (musical) cast lists and just cant get it to work can someone see what the problem is. Probably something tiny im overlookingMark E (talk) 16:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It was something tiny - you forgot to close a link to Legally Blonde (musical. Now you can complete sections II and III of the AfD instructions. Xenon54 (talk) 16:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Silly me! Thanks very muchMark E (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Finding my article when searching

Can someone please tell me why I can't find my article when I search for the title, once I created the page?

Thank you.

Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpgint (talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Judging by the notices on your talk page, I'd say they got deleted. You may want to read those notices, or contact the deleting administrator, for more information. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 16:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It appears that you created three articles in December which were deleted because they were copyright violations and/or advertising. Were these the articles to which you were referring? TNXMan 16:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought that the Ridgewood Park article was legit and not deleted. That article is the one that I am trying to find. Also what do I need to do in the future for it not to be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpgint (talk • contribs) 16:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You added a paragraph to your talk page on Ridgewood park here: User talk:Cpgint.--SPhilbrickT 16:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The only reference I can see to a Ridgewood Park is on your user talk page. This is not an article, so wouldn't be visible via the search box. Also, if this was to be an article, I doubt that it would last for long, as it does not demonstrate the notability of RidgeWood Park, San Antonio, Texas (paragraph on your user talk page) (as opposed to Ridgewood Park, Dallas, Texas, which is a community) - you might be better off inserting the details of Ridgewood Park into the article about the Tesoro Corporation, with suitable citations. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(created at RidgeWood Park, San Antonio, Texas and subsequently prodded by me) Xenon54 (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Template for the nth AfD

I remember vaguely that there is a template one can add to the top of an AfD discussion, which generates links to previous AfDs for the same article. Anyone know what it is? DuncanHill (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about exactly what you ask for - but if you know it's been AfD'd before, use {{subst:afdx}} instead of the normal {{subst:afd1}}. Archived Delete Debates can be found here. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's not it. What I'm looking for is something that goes at the top of the deletion discussion page, and has links to previous discussions. DuncanHill (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it something like <div class="infobox" style="width:50%">AfDs for this article:<ul class="listify">{{Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian fetish}}</ul></div> (stolen from WP:Articles for deletion/Asian fetish (5th nomination))? TNXMan 18:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's like that, but I'm sure you don't have to type all that malarky out ('cos if you do, I'd never use it, and I'm sure I have used it). DuncanHill (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think it's generated automatically if there is a previous AfD in the system. (I think.) TNXMan 18:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't - I recall adding it to an AfD ages ago because the person who started the AfD hadn't mentioned the previous debates, and I am aware of at least one current 3rd nomination which doesn't have it. DuncanHill (talk) 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the link to the current one? I'll look at and see if I can figure something out. TNXMan 18:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I worked it out - it's the afd2 template, but apparently not everyone uses it when starting a new debate. (It's the nom for Ferret legging that I noticed). DuncanHill (talk) 18:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The Afd has been closed so it's moot now, but if the AfD is created correctly with {{subst:Afd2}} as described at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion then Afd2 will automatically detect if it's not the first AfD and substitute code with links to the AfD's. Afd2 should be used whether or not it's the first AfD. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - as I said, not everyone creates AfDs in that way however. DuncanHill (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

New page

How do I create my own new page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by End002 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Over 99% of all articles submitted by someone with no other editing experience in Wikipedia are deleted. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues.

If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you are urged to visit WP:RA where you can request that someone write an article on the subject.

If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then writing your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is WP:BL, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.

If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read WP:COI, to help make sure you don't have a Conflict of Interest, then read WP:FIRST, which will repeat some of the good advice above, then tell you how to start writing your first article. Make sure you start it in a User Subpage. You can edit to your heart's content in a sandbox, and no one will interfere, but as soon as it is in the main Wikipedia space, anyone can edit it, and anyone can propose it for deletion.--SPhilbrickT 19:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Flagging as Inaccurate or Obsolete

If I do not want to directly edit myself information that is either inaccurate or obsolete, how do I flag it for the attention of a more experienced editor.

Specifically, the article regarding the Ukraine Flag cites a domain without giving a specific page in the citation for the color chart used in the article.

However this page http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/ukraine_flag.html at the domain cited in the previous edit does not agree with the Color Chart used in the article.

Shewmaker Shewmaker (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm no citations expert myself but any issue about the article can be mentioned on the article's talk page. Kotiwalo (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can add a {{disputed}} tag. hmwitht 18:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If you refer to Flag of Ukraine, you can discuss your concerns on Talk:Flag of Ukraine. See Help:Talk page and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Teratornis (talk) 18:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Beta

Is it possible to return to the regular format after switching to Beta? --Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 18:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

At the very top of the page, there should be a link that says "Leave beta". There's an optional survey to complete afterwards. TNXMan 19:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The survey is optional only in the sense that you don't have to fill it out. But it takes you to the survey form whether you like it or not, and you have to scroll to bottom of the form to get out. —teb728 t c 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fabian A. Koss

Fabian A. Koss was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1966. He is the Founder and President of the Many Hats Institute www.themanyhats.org Fabian A. Koss is married to Joan Testa- Koss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabian Koss (talk • contribs) 21:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this spam--Notedgrant (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Mr Koss, what exactly do you want to accomplish from this post? Xenon54 (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

American Motorcyclist Association

There is factually incorrect info and disparaging links here -- every time I edit them, the copy reverts back to the original. Help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pterhorst (talk • contribs) 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Click the history tab to see the page history [2] which shows edit summaries by other editors. They refer to policies like WP:NPOV and WP:COPYVIO. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. It is an encyclopedia article and not a promotion for the organization. You can suggest changes on the talk page at Talk:American Motorcyclist Association. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Mobile editing

Is there a way to efficiently edit Wikipedia with mobile devices? I use the mobile website to look at articles on my iPhone all the time, but if I want to edit the page, I have to do so on regular Wikipedia. Editing pages through my iPhone can get very inefficient, as scrolling down the editing box can get really difficult.--67.167.244.119 (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No, not that I know of. I've heard of people editing (the regular version) from their Wiis, but as far as I know the mobile version is geared toward reading. Xenon54 (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I've edited wikipedia with Blazer on a Treo 680. It was cumbersome, but doable. So in answer to your question, it is certainly possible, but not efficient. WhiteDragon (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Change Entry Name Capitalization

I'd like to capitalize the second title word on my page (Bodie mine to Bodie Mine). How do I edit the name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 09thdriveby (talk • contribs) 22:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved Bodie mine. You cannot move pages yet because your account is not autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)