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November 29

Withdrawl of current AfD

Resolved

 – See comments on my and Hamster Sandwich's talk pages. Intelligentsium 03:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello there, helpful Wikipedians! I put an article up over at AfD a few days ago [1], at the request (the second request, actually) of an IP editor who claims it's an attack page. The particulars are at that discussion page. It's pretty clear that it's a keeper in some form or the other, the problem is: I can't find any directions to the proper formatting (read: template) to "close as withdrawn." Please help. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer. Hamster Sandwich (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a link showing this withdrawal? Intelligentsium 00:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How to Make a Wikipedia Page?

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 04:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

My siter, Leah and I have a webshow called The Leah and Lauren Show on Youtube. And all our fans keep requesting for us to make a Wikipedia Page, so we were wondering how to do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLeahandLaurenShow (talk • contribs) 00:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't. Your webshow on "YouTube" is probably not notable (important or significant) enough to warrant its own page. Further reading: WP:YFA; WP:N; WP:WEB; WP:NOT. Intelligentsium 00:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Cite style

What style is the Wikipedia cite templates closest to? MLA? APA? Other? thanks, --Tristan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.111.185 (talk) 01:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I seem to recall reading that they were closest to APA. (I'm not positive on this, can others verify?) Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 01:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiki uses a citation style that is actually closer to MLA. MLA style employs reference numbers within the body of the article text -- just like Wiki does. By contrast, APA style employs parenthetical citations within the body of the article text, to wit: (Author(s) Last Name, Date of Publication, Pg. Number(s)).Profklm (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

The best place to ask this question

I asked at the Television WikiProject, but there's not been any answerers for about two days.

I was thinking it would perhaps be a good thing to restructure Canal+ Sport 1 (Scandinavia) (and it's sister channels 2, HD and Extra (no article)). Now the channels are "merged" into articles by channel name, I think it would be better to merge by country. So we have Canal+ Sport (Sweden), Canal+ Sport (Denmark), Canal+ Sport (Norway), Canal+ Sport (Finland) where 1, 2, Extra and HD are show similar to Sky Sports. The main reason for this would be that it's not one channel broadcast with 4 difference audio feeds, the broadcast rights for the sports are not exactly the same in all countries (for example, Serie A is not shown in Sweden but in all 3 others, in Finland the UEFA Champions League/Europa League are shown but not in the others) and I would say the Swedish C+S1 has more in common with S2, SExtra and SHD than C+S1 NO, DK and FI. So how should I go about implementing this or getting some merge/move/split discussions going (There doesn't seem to be many people watching either Canal+ Sport 1 (Scandinavia) or C More Entertainment)

Is perhaps this the right place? chandler 01:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Not really; this is for questions and answers, not long-form discussions about articles. Your best bet is to go to the article's talk page or wait for an answer at the Television WikiProject. Xenon54 / talk / 14:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Need to replace a logo

I've never edited wikipedia before so forgive me if this if this obvious but I need to swap out the logo for our college. I am in the marketing and media design department and we've created a new logo as of this year. I thought I saw the spot in the edit tab where I could just replace the link to the old logo but after I hit save I don't see the changes. I tried to do the image upload button but it said I wasn't authorized to do that. I don't know why?

This is the old logo http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Los_Medanos_College_logo.jpg and this is the new: http://www.losmedanos.edu/logo/lmc-logo.gif

and this is the page it needs to be changed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Medanos_College

I tried to swap it out in the spot where you click on the logo and I hit edit page and replaced the URL but nothing seemed to happen:

Snfflbrgr (talk) 01:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Summary

{{logo fur <!-- REQUIRED --> |Article=Los Medanos College |Source=http://www.losmedanos.edu/logo/lmc-logo.gif }}

The reason you are not allowed to upload the new logo is that you are not yet autoconfirmed. (Your account needs to be 4 days old, and you need 10 edits.) I uploaded the new logo for you, replacing the old logo at File:Los Medanos College logo.jpg. Since the the new logo is too simple to be copyrighted, I also changed the license tag to {{PD-textlogo}}. —teb728 t c 09:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

And please note that, while updating the logo is fine, if you are considering making any other changes to the article you should read conflict of interest first. --ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Rollbacking

I have a monobook which displays a "Rollback all" tab on the top of any page of user contributions. However, since I can only view an user's contributions in groups of 50, 100, 200 and 500, it is impossible for me to revert the last 17 (an example) edits of the user automatically (I must do it manually because I should not revert all fifty of the user's possibly good edits). Is there a way in which one can achieve this feature of "rollbacking a given number of edits" automatically? I have encountered this situation before when performing a "mass rollback"; should I encounter this situation again, it would be helpful to know more about this rollback feature. As an additional question, is there a way in which I can fix a particular edit summary in my monobook or some other place (for example, "does not conform to WP:OR"), so that whenever I rollback an edit, the summary is displayed automatically (and if I need to change the summary, I can of course do so prior to making any furthur rollbacks)? Thanks for any help! --PST 03:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I do not believe I understand your question. You want to rollback some "bad" edits but leave the "good" edits of an editor? I think there is no substitute for human judgment in this case; you should revert them manually, or better undo with an edit summary. Intelligentsium 03:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe the user is reffering to the mass rollback of a specific number of edits by any one user with the use of User:John254's mass rollback user script. Sorry Point-set topologist, I don't know the answer to your question. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 04:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I meant "the revertion of the last x edits by an editor", where x could be less than 50, for instance (sometimes editors make the same sort of edit to 20 different articles at one time (for instance, a "category change"), and if you know that this is the case, it is convenient to do a mass rollback of 20 edits (edits made earlier may be irrelevant to a category change, and may be good). Does that clarify my question (sorry if it was unclear)? Thanks anyway. --PST 03:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

How do I create a category?

I've done it before, but I can't remember how. It's not one of the FAQs, either. Basic stuff. Thanks. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Just type Category:XXXX where XXXX is the name of the category you want to create. Then just create the page, with a brief description of the category. Category description pages aren't any different than article pages. After you create the category description page, you need to do two things:

1. Place it into a parent category by adding [[Category:YYYY]] where YYYY is the name of the category you want this to be a subcategory of
2. Populate the category by writing [[Category:XXXX]] at the bottom of pages which belong to that category.

Hope that helps. --Jayron32 04:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Did it help? What do you think?[2] Thanks. Can you post this in the FAQs on that page or something, it's some of the most straight-forward directions I've ever gotten on wikipedia. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 05:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It already is. There is a more detailed "instruction manual" for category creation and organization located at Help:Category. --Jayron32 04:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Footnote statement shown when editing a discussion page

When editing a discussion/talk page, near the bottom, in small type, there's the well-knows sentence, "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here."

A while back, I had started to copy-edit some text on a talk page that had been written by other Wikipedians. I should have known better, because that seems to be a serious discourtesy. Somebody, I forget who, ofter noting several such edits, sent me a graceful, calm message that pointed out a need for maintaining an accurate record of a discussion; the discourtesy aspect was more implied than explicit, iirc.

In any event, I felt ashamed --- and then, next time I added a comment to a talk page, there was the quoted comment, again.

However, that sentence appears to encourage just the editing that I had done, unless I'm quite confused! After all, what it says to people who write talk-page content is that what they write might well be edited.(!) Surely, Wikipedia is not encouraging bad manners. Unless I'm confused, this text (specifically on talk-page-edit Web pages) appears to be an oversight. Perhaps in its place should be a note that says something like "Please do not edit text submitted by others to a talk page", or words to that effect. (Indeed, if it were practical without serious software revisions, it should not be possible for anyone other than the original author or an admin. with serious privileges to edit a talk page entry.)

(Btw, just now, I'm plainly uncertain about whether "talk" or "discussion" (or both) would be best to describe these pages.)

Best regards (from a retiree who is not likely to abandon Wikipedia) Nikevich (talk) 08:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Although it is considered bad form to edit others' comments on a talk page, it is not forbidden as such. Sometimes it is necessary (for example, if there are formatting problems, or for removing vandalism). As a rule, if I see someone editing someone else's talk page comments, and it is not a constructive edit, I would revert it as vandalism. Often, I see an IP editing a registered user's comments (in a positive way), and have later found that it was the original editor, who had forgotten to sign in! The message about "do not submit" is something that automatically needs to be there, as per our licenses. Anyone can edit anything on Wikipedia, including talk pages. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

maybe the Talk page guidelines will be of help and/or interest to Nikevich. Sssoul (talk) 12:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• As PhantomSteve says, it is there for license purposes. The same license applies in all namespaces and text can be copied between namespaces so the text is always the same. You quoted the first sentence. The full text is: "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. All text that you did not write yourself, except brief excerpts, must be available under terms consistent with Wikipedia's Terms of Use before you submit it." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Where is this text kept? The only texts I could find on Special:AllMessages that looks similar are copyrightwarning and copyrightwarning2. I assumed that the fact that they're not what we're actually seeing might be because the AllMessages page lagged behind, but their actual pages don't agree with what's being displayed, either. — Sebastian 16:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Please anwer this question

It takes how much time to reach london airport from Mumbai-Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport to London-Heathrow airport?

Please help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.28.153 (talk) 09:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. —teb728 t c 09:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport, which has links to the airport's website, as well as a list of the airlines that serve the airport - each of their articles will have a link to the airline's official website. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Who do I write to at Wikipedia

Who do I write to at Wikipedia to have an inaccurate and patently false article removed from this site??? The article on fascism is a political hit piece that goes against EVERY historic and modern definition of the word. The author tries to make a personal political point by saying that fascism is equated with the right in America. That is simply NOT true by ALL dictionary standards.

From Dictionary.com: (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

From Merriam- Webster: often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.200.169 (talk) 12:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• I would suggest that as a first step, you discuss this on the article's talk page, explaining your concerns. Alternatively you could read the Deletion Policy, which explains how an article can be deleted. Please note that this article would not be eligible for speedy deletion, but if what you claim is true, it could be eligible for either a Proposed Deletion or Article for Deletion. However, I would strongly recommend discussing this on the talk page. This article is one of the oldest on Wikipedia (the history log goes back to 7 October 2001, although the article was started before that - its talk page's first entry on the history log is 3 September 2001) - Wikipedia itself started on 15 January that year - so I would be very surprised if it would be considered for deletion! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that this article does not have one author - there have been about 30 different editors in the last 2 weeks! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Need some help with my watchlist

Hi there - some pages have appeared on my watchlist which I can't delete. I've tried to delete them 3 or 4 times, but they just re-appear again. I never added them in the first place either. Can someone help me? Pexise (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• To remove a page from you watchlist, you can either go to the page in question an click on unwatch this page at the top of the page, or go to Special:Watchlist/edit, tick the ones you want removed and then click on Remove titles at the end of the page. After, check in my preferences and check the settings under the Watchlist tab -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If a page on your watchlist is moved then the new name is automatically added to your watchlist and stays there if the page is moved again. Maybe this happened. There have been vandals who move multiple pages to the same or similar nonsense names which then end up on watchlists even though the page was moved back. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Asking for proofreading again

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 04:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I am not a native speaker and I contributed to the article Gymnasium (Germany). English is my third language, so I really think someone should proofread the article and look at the language and grammar. Two nice Wikipedians already volunteered to do that a few days ago, but I made some new contributions and I really think they should be checked, because a encylopedia like Wikipedia should not countain grammatical or syntax errors. So I wanted to aks you all again if someone could be that kind and help me out. I already asked at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback, but nobody answerded me so far. Sorry for asking that again, I am done with the article now and promise that will be the last time I ask.--212.201.82.72 (talk) 13:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• I would advise you to contact the two Wikipedians who volunteered to check it - they probably have the article on their watchlists, so will see that you have added to it, but there's no harm in asking them again! You might also consider asking one of the available proofreaders -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I did not know about that available proofreaders.--212.201.82.72 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be asking again. So I just randomly pick on of the guys from the or is there a system behond it?--212.201.82.72 (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Just find one listed under the language you are in the language you want (for example, Proofreaders de-en - if that's what you need, click on the link, and it'll show you all the users who offer themselves up for the service, currently 70 of them) and then choose any of those! Leave a message on their talk page, and they'll respond when they have a chance to. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much :)--212.201.82.72 (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Importing a file from another Wikipedia

I want to add a file to an article which I have already created. I know how to upload a file. But this file is in another project of Wikipedia and not in Wikicommons. I checked the help page; but I found out that the transwiki import facility is disabled. Is there any other way to import a file from another Wikipedia. ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. The only way to get the picture here is to upload it to Commons or Wikipedia. TNXMan 17:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

See WP:MITC. If you don't want to slog through the instructions for moving an image to Commons (which is admittedly a bit difficult the very first time you try it), there are probably users on the source Wikipedia who can move the file for you. What is the file? --Teratornis (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the immediate replies. By the way the name of the file is Dosya:Sosyal Demokrasi Partisi Amblemi (SODEP).jpg from wiki-tr. (dosya stands for file) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

tr:Dosya:Sosyal Demokrasi Partisi Amblemi (SODEP).jpg is a logo apparently used in the Turkish Wikipedia under fair use (I don't know Turkish) so it is probably copyrighted with a license that does not permit upload to Commons. See Wikipedia:Logos. Depending on the intended use in the English Wikipedia, it may or may not be uploaded here. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

How do I search within results?

I am looking to see if my church has a wikipedia page. For the search 'St. Thomas More Catholic Church' I get over 5,000 results. If I add more descriptive words such as Coralville I get zero results. Can I assume there is no entry for my church, or is there a way to widdle down the 5,000 results to find the page I am looking for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliza Jane Doe (talk • contribs) 18:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Eliza Jane Doe. If you can't find the page with the search, including town name, I would say it is safe to assume there is no article. If you would like to create an article on the church, I recommend the article wizard as a place to start. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 18:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

But remember that you must establish in the article why it is notable, and must reference reliable sources that refer to it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Javascript interfering with "Search Box" on some but not all pages. Fix?

I am having a problem, this has just started the last few visits (a week or so).

On some (most) pages...
example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test

The left hand "Search Box" is non-functional unless I disable javascript. It does not respond to button clicks or enter key when focus is on the box. Text entered just sits there.

On some other pages...
examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=test&ns12=1&ns4=1&ns10=1&fulltext=Search+help+pages

The left hand "Search Box" works fine with javascript enabled. Both buttons and enter. The (result) pages loaded have non-functional search boxes.

I do note that the "What would you like help with?" search is non-functional (with javascript on) on page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents

I am using an older browser (Opera 8.54 Build 7730), but given that:
1. It worked fine up until lately
2. It works on some Wikipedia pages
3. Wikipedia indicates wide usage is a goal
4. Using another system the functionality of the working and non-working pages seems the same (i.e. drop down suggestions)
5. Javascript is not giving me trouble (that I can tell) other places

It seems like some sort of bug has been introduced that should be fixed.

Putting it in the form of a question: Could someone, please, make all the search boxes like the left hand one on page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents since it works properly?

Thanks

PS the buttons (Save page, etc.) on "this" page are not working unless I turn off javascript.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&editintro=Wikipedia:Help_Desk/editintro

Wiki-790 (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

We at the Help Desk don't work on the coding of Wikipedia. I suggest you either ask for help at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or file a bug report in BugZilla. --Mysdaao ^talk 00:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

twinkle

My twinkle seems to have stopped working> I wanted to repair this page and couldn't seem to repair it at all..Boo_Boo_Stewart Off2riorob (talk) 20:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "repair"? Intelligentsium 21:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The booboo article was very messy and an editor reverted a vandal edit but that didn't help and I tried to revert to a distant version that was good and it was not working, I have corrected this, it was a banned link that was causing the revert not to work and I have removed the banned link and reverted to a decent edit, also my twinkle seems to be working now, as a side issue, and this has been happening all day, when I go to edit a page I see what looks like a shadow up at the top left of the page where for a second I can read a few words, a couple of which say external link, this is very strange, any ideas? Off2riorob (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

MISSING: ability to edit my USER PAGE

I am wondering what happened to my USERPAGE. I typed up a bit of bio info for myself and tried to save it as a USERPAGE but now the things seems to have dissapeared and I cannot even edit it anymore. Have I done something wrong. How do I go back to editing it? THanks! --Skychildandsonofthesun (talk) 21:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW, i just tried this in my browser: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=user:Skychildandsonofthesun&action=edit&redlink=1

and that should have worked but didnt. Please advise. Thanks. --Skychildandsonofthesun (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Try this link or click "edit" on the top of it. The link you provided above does only work if the page does not exist. You can see your previous edits on the page's history. Regards SoWhy 21:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Is there a section of Wikipedia where you can discuss certain topics like music and movies? instead of the usualness of Editing and Grammar corrections? Moptopstyle1 21:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moptopstyle1 (talk • contribs)

No; Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and therefore all pages should be streamlined towards building this encyclopaedia. However, there are alternative outlets. Intelligentsium 21:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

HTML symbols

Anyone any idea where I can find the maths HTML symbols like ℤ? I know how to use LaTeX: <math>\mathbb{Z}</math>. I'd like to get the \mathbb symbols in HTML. Anyone any ideas? ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 22:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

List_of_Unicode_characters#Miscellaneous_Mathematical_Symbols-A? Intelligentsium 23:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Try Help:Displaying a formula or List of XML and HTML character entity references. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 23:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

editor in good standing

What is the definition of "editor in good standing"? It is mentioned somewhere in Wikipedia. Is it 150 edits or 500 edits? It is not too important but I would like to know. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It's more about your attitude, interaction with other editors and the work you perform. Obviously having a decent level of editing experience is necessary, but it certainly isn't sufficient. ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 22:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems you have a case of editcountitis. Edit count has little to no weight. You could have thousands of edits and not be in good standing. It has to do with maturity and experience. Participating in discussions, creating well-written articles and interacting constructively help; getting in trouble obviously doesn't. Xenon54 / talk / 22:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Xenon54 and Dr Dec - I don't think OP has a case of editcountitis. The term is used in Wikipedia talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC. It hasn't yet been settled whether the count will be 150 or 500 (I lean toward 500), but the good standing part means that the editor cannot be under probation from Arbcom. Those in good standing would be eligible to add signature to a recall petition. This is a work in progress, not settled, but I'm guessing that OP saw the term in connection with that effort.--SPhilbrickT 02:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

SPhilbrick: I didn't for one moment assume nor proclaim that the OP had a "case of editcountitis". ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 23:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Addendum, I thought the term had a settled definition, but scanning the page, it appears to still be under debate.--SPhilbrickT 02:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It's also notably an editor in good standing not account in good standing. It would be trivial for a banned or blocked editor to create a new account and make 150 or 500 or any number of innocuous edits; but they don't get counted as "in good standing" should it be shown that they were banned under another account. --Jayron32 05:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

As indicated by other replies, "editor in good standing" does not have a common exact definition. It is not like autoconfirmed. Some pages like Wikipedia:Administrators open to recall use the term without defining it. Some users have made their own definition for a specific purpose, for example at User:Decltype/Recall and User:Mackensen/Proposed adminship. Wikipedia:Guide to Community de-adminship#Nomination also has a definition for a specific purpose but it's only a proposal. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)