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My page was deleted, is not in the deletion log and not on deletionpedia

I wrote an article on the live event company inVNT, and it was marked for speedy deletion. I added more references and information to make it a more notable and verifiable article, and it was removed. I'd love the opportunity to speak with an editor, but there's no trace of why the page was deleted, as it's not in the deletion log, and it's not on deletionpedia.

Can an editor please tell me why it was deleted, and the steps I can take to improve the article to it can be posted again? Thanks Andrew rodger (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Please add new discussion sections at the bottom of the page another time. As your talk page User talk:Andrew rodger says, the deleted article was InVNT. You can click that link to see the deletion log, or enter the title at Special:Log/delete, or enter it in the search box and then click the red link on the title. Capitalization of the first letter doesn't matter so it can be found as inVNT or InVNT but the rest of the letters must have the right capitalization. The deleted content can only be seen by administrators (like me but I don't have time now). Deletionpedia is no longer updated. It was not run by the organization running Wikipedia and we had no control over it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I see you have created an article at inVNT again. It sounds rather promotional and you appear to be associated with the company. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Puzzled, my page has references and still marked for deletion

I wrote a biography entry for Prof John Crossley. He is a known logician and mathematician and I have provided several references, how come my page is still marked for deletion?

Could somebody please tell me why? What is wrong and how can I fix it?

Thanks.

Lito Cruz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trumpgeek (talk • contribs) 01:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A list of references isn't particularly useful unless the refs are cited in the text of the article. Please take a look at WP:CITE. I have deprodded and added a more appropriate maintenance teg. – ukexpat (talk) 01:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The article could be improved by the addition of {{infobox person}}. Mjroots (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

DinoCroc

How can DinoCroc be renamed to Dinocroc when there is a redirect that leads Dinocroc to DinoCroc? There is no capital c in the title. Joe Chill (talk) 03:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Since the page you wish to rename to has more than one revision, you will have to use Wikipedia:Requested moves. Please read that page for details on how to complete the process. Feinoha ^{Talk, My master} 03:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Joe Chill (talk) 03:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Alternative accounts

I don't know whether here's the right place to ask that, but there we go. I notice that some users maintain a second account, which they use for accessing Wikipedia from public computers, internet cafés, mobile devices, etc. What exactly are the advantages of that? To me it seems more convenient to always use the same account, but there must be something I'm not aware of. I sometimes use public computers to browse and edit Wikipedia. Would it be recommendable for me to create a legitimate second account? Thanks. --Магьосник (talk) 04:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes there are programs that log keystrokes (what you type) or malicious software that could compromise your account on the computers. Therefore, users create alternative accounts (I have one) that could be blocked later, without blocking the whole account. I would recommend you create one if you use public computers. Make sure to read WP:SOCK#LEGIT for more info; be sure to disclose that it is your alt account. mono 05:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Allow me to clarify: disclose that you have an alt account clearly on your userpage(s) and the userpage(s) of the alt account. It's best to pick a name that is close to your account (Example, ExampleAlt). Using alt accounts disruptively is called sockpuppetry; read more about it at this page. mono 05:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

See what I've done on user:Monomium; also see my sig. If this account is compromised, it would be blocked. Also, pick a password for your alt account that is different from your normal WP password. monosock 05:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I have an alternative account, as my main account (this one) is an admin account. When I am accessing Wikipedia from either a public computer or from my mobile, I use my alternative (Phantomsteve.alt) - on a public computer, the potential problem is as mentioned above; on my mobile, it's too easy to press the wrong button (I used to occasionally hit rollback by mistake!). I agree with Mono that it is important to have a different password for your alternative account - if a keylogger was being used on a public computer, then using the same password for your main account would be the first one that a hacker would try! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Some of the interface is different for admins. I have had instances where someone has a problem and I can't see it because of that. I also have a lot of custom CSS and JS that may mask or induce issues. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Updating an article on a person of historical importance

I'm just wondering if a date of death can be added to an article. Eugene Curnow passed away recently and it would mean alot to his close friends and family would appreciate the recognition of this great man's passing. His wife, Glenora, is still living, as are many of his family members. He had a book published and I think these facts might be appreciated by those fortunate enough to come across Mr. Curnow's records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.160.30 (talk) 05:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The date can be added to an existing article; if the article does not exist, you can request that it is created, if it is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia and if the person has been covered significantly by reliable sources. monosock 05:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

• I assume that you are talking about Eugene Curnow, the retired veterinarian who pioneered the Mobile Pet Clinic concept in Portland, Oregon? I can find no mention that he has died in reliable sources - do you have any reliable sources (such as a newspaper article) which verifies that he has died? If you mean another Eugene Curnow, I can find no article about him on the English Wikipedia. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

  I have found a source, so I will add that to the article now. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Are there any front-end programs for Wikipedia?

Occasionally I feel an urge to edit Wikipedia, but I'm not willing to wade through mountains of complex code that I don't understand on each page. Surely there must by some sort of WYSIWYG editing program, right? This encompasses other issues as well -- for example to nominate an article for deletion I have to go through about 20 steps, none of which I care to understand. I would like to be able to press the "Nominate for Deletion" button, enter my rationale, and be done with it. A program like this must exist, right? If not, how on earth has Wikipedia gotten so popular? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.240.134.153 (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

If you register an account, you can enable Twinkle, which can nominate articles for deletion and a lot more. monosock 06:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Reading Wikipedia has gotten highly popular, but editing on Wikipedia is far less popular. Only a tiny percentage of people alive on earth today have done much editing on Wikipedia. There are maybe 100,000 editors with substantial contributions, and several million more with just a few edits. Compare this to hundreds of millions of readers. It doesn't take that many people to write an encyclopedia. If you look on Facebook with its 250,000,000 users who actively contribute, most of the content there is just trivial junk. Only a tiny percentage of people have anything worthwhile to say, and a lot of them concentrate on Wikipedia because it's a powerful system with the best internal documentation I have ever seen. The manuals most people don't like to read are like a gift from the gods for the kind of orderly thinkers who can write an encyclopedia. --Teratornis (talk) 07:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an intuitive technology type at all, but that hasn't stopped me contributing to Wikipedia and enjoying it very much. Basic editing (correcting typos and format problems; adding simple content) can be learned very quickly and requires little specialist knowledge or code, and Teratornis is right that the documentation is very good - if you want to know how to do something on Wikipedia, there will be a clear, comprehensive set of instructions somewhere that explains how to do it, and a friendly helper to point you in the direction of them if you can't find them by yourself. What I would say is that tools often create as many problems as they solve. In the case of your deletion nomination, for example, how would you know what to put in your pop-up box, unless you knew what was and what was not an acceptable deletion rationale, and the appropriate type of deletion to propose (WP:PROD? WP:SPEEDY? WP:AFD?) Yes, you could have a drop-down menu to choose from, but would you really know which of the many options to pick if you hadn't read and understood the associated policy first? Some tools are really helpful, but it's easy to make mistakes with them and because they allow you to edit very quickly, a lot of mistakes can be made in a short time, all of which must be cleaned up by other volunteers, eating away at time and resources. In my experience, the best way to learn to edit Wikipedia is manually, one step at a time, using automated tools with caution and adding actions to your repertoire as you gain in experience. But beware - it's addictive :) Karenjc 10:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Clicking the Wiki markup features

Until two days ago, I was able to click on Wiki markup and other editorial features and everything was fine. Now, this suddenly won't work anymore. Instead of inserting or double-bracketing what I want, clicking results in jumping to the top of the page and that is all (no insertion, double-bracketing, etc.). I am using the same browser (Windows Internet Explorer) and don't recall having changed any settings. Does anyone know what could be the problem and how I might be able to edit normally again? (This is the only browser I can use; it's not my computer and I don't wish to download a different browser). ---Sluzzelin talk 06:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I know for a fact that the toolbar is faulty; that has happened to me. You could try WP:WIKIED or just type it out normally. monosock 06:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It was broken for me, too, but is working now. Either someone fixed something, or shutting down my browser and restarting it was all it took. Deor (talk) 14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. Unfortunately, mine still isn't working. I think I'm too much of a dodo for WIKIED, and typing it out is difficult on this keyboard, because I can't locate the brackets or tildes. So I copy and paste :-) Thanks again. Sluzzelin talk 08:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Mine is not working either, I recall this is a known problem - can anyone point us at the relevant page?GrahamHardy (talk) 07:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

How to view my user space's contents?

I've wasted a bunch of time trying to get to the draft I saved (of my fourth new article!), and to generally see what's in my space. Isn't there an interface to this somewhere? Point me to anywhere in the docs, thanks. It seems silly to do it all by typing. I should be able to 'see' my own space when logged in. I hope I'm just missing something. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marquess (talk • contribs) 07:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

At the top of the page, click on "my contributions". At the bottom of that page, click on "Subpages". That will show you a list of all the subpages in your user space. That help? --Auntof6 (talk) 07:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, if you would like a list of your subpages on your user page, use {{List subpages|Marquess|User}} -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

To list subpages

• To see your subpages, select My contributions, scroll to the bottom of the page and select subpages
• Use Special:PrefixIndex to see any subpage
• Create a list using {{Special:PrefixIndex/fullpagename}}
• Create a formatted list with {{List subpages}}
• To add a subpages link to the left toolbar, add this to Special:MyPage/skin.js and purge the page per the instructions at the top of the page:

addOnloadHook( function () {
  addPortletLink("p-tb", wgServer+wgArticlePath.replace("$1", "Special:PrefixIndex/"+wgPageName+"/"), "Subpages", "t-subpages", "See all subpages of this page");
});

To delete subpages

• Add {{db-u1}} to any of your pages to request deletion

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Dodgy Display

Hi, I usualy work in Firefox, but often have IE open for reference. This page, when opened in IE when you are not logged in displays oddly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(glossaries) - A "Discussion" tab partially obscures the page title, and the text immediately below the page title. Darigan (talk) 11:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the page in IE8 with or or without compatibility mode enabled. Try clearing the entire cache in IE. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It appears on virtually every page of Wikipedia for me. It's as if some core CSS files have been broken or moved, but only on certain pages. It appears on both Safari 4.1 and Firefox 3.6 for Mac. Spaysman Spyf (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen the problem but it's mentioned at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Bug? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheers for the link PrimeHunter, it looks like a few people are looking into it. Darigan (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Trying to find a word starting with A

I am trying to find a word beginning with the letter A, which has the meaning of starting again from the beginning. I an unsure if it a foreign word, that has been incorporated into the English language, or if it is a word used in the early part of the 20th century and has fell out of favour. I saw it on "Call my Bluff" years ago, but I cannot remember the word. Many thanks in advance for your effortsWord-planet (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

While the forum pointed to you above is the correct place to ask this: anew? afresh?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

If it was on Call My Bluff (UK game show) then it will be an obscure word! I can't think of any offhand, hence the link to the language Reference Desk -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ab initio is the first word I think of; it is a Latin phrase that is uncommon but not unheard of in English usage. Intelligentsium 16:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ab initio makes sense and is commonly heard in a legal setting. For example, if a verdict is voided, the judge can rule that the trial must take place ab initio - from the beginning. TNXMan 17:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Possible BLP violation

I'm not proficient in Wikipedia and the policies, but it would appear that the following statement on Jeff Carter (the hockey player, sorry, don't know how to link) may be in violation of the BLP policy:

"During the 2009-10 NHL season, he was embroiled in a controversy as it was rumored he had an affair with Lisa Hartnell, wife of current Flyers teammate Scott Hartnell. Scott had filed for divorce after the allegations were made public."

I would be bold and delete this comment but I'm not sure if it is a violation or not so will leave it up to the experts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.192.218 (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I've removed it. Anything like this that's uncited can be - and should be - removed, per WP:BLP. Thanks for bringing this up. TFOWR^{idle vapourings} 15:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I wish to sponsor a Wikipedia page. How much would it cost to get an ad there?

I wish to sponsor a page or get advertising in one. How much can it cost me? I am only interested in Canadian web traffic.

Thank you

(email address removed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.117.36 (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for advertising, sorry. Please look over Wikipedia:Spam to see what is not acceptable. I have also removed your email address. Answers are provided on this page only; we are unable to provide answers via email or any other method outside Wikipedia. ^Avicenna_sis @ 16:19, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you for the offer. However, Wikipedia does not accept advertising on its pages. Since Wikipedia strives to be a neutrally written encyclopedia, accepting advertisements could be construed as a bias towards the advertiser. TNXMan 16:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

If you would still like to support Wikipedia, consider donating instead. Xenon54 (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

$2.95 per word. Simply figure out how many peacock words you would like the article to contain, multiply it by the fee, and make your check or money order payable to WP:SPAM c/o WP:NOTADVERTISING. We do not take Diners Club or American Express.--98.116.29.99 (talk) 21:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

add a line to my talk without getting the line boxed

I have added a line to 2 of my talks. Now these lines appear surrounded by a big dotted box. Why? What has been my fault? How may I remedy that? Thanks.

Vcaini (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

This happens when you place a space at the beginning of a line.

For example, this sentence.

You can correct this by using colons to indent paragraphs. TNXMan 17:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

VP nominator template needed

Is it possible that someone could create a {{User VP Nominator}} to differentiate nominators from photographers who use {{User VP}}. It would be analgous to {{User FP Nominator}} and {{User FP}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Feel free to tweak the wording, coloring, and formating if you so desire. Plastikspork (talk) 04:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Uploading Photos

What do I have to do to upload photos? --BobBarboza (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You need to be autoconfirmed to upload photos. That means an account that is 4 day old and has made more than 10 edits. If the photos are your own work, it is recommended to upload them to Wikimedia Commons and release them with a compatible licence such as CC-BY-SA. Mjroots (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Acceptable rates for automated access

Resolved

 – User replied on my talk page. ^Avicenna_sis @ 01:59, 29 Sivan 5770 / 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I have been developing a demonstrator program for my students that scrapes info off wikipedia pages and then uses the information to play the six degrees for Kevin Bacon game. In testing individual accesses it has been fine but when I set it off, it clearly carries out too many accesses to wikipedia pages (as I get the 403 Forbidden errors). It is not my intention to overload or, in any way, damage the wikipedia service (as a donor and contributor). So, I was wondering if there is an acceptable access rate, like one page request a second or more ?

I read your robot.txt and do not believe that I am specifically excluded from doing what I am doing. But, maybe I am wrong?

best

M —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.39.213 (talk) 19:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A few points here that may help. Although not technically a "bot" in the sense that it edits Wikipedia, the access rates may be useful to follow. From Wikipedia:Bot policy:

• Bots' editing speed should be regulated in some way; subject to approval, bots doing non-urgent tasks may edit approximately once every ten seconds, while bots doing more urgent tasks may edit approximately once every five seconds.
• Bots editing at a high speed should operate more slowly during peak hours (1200–0400 UTC), and days (middle of the week, especially Wednesdays and Thursdays) than during the quietest times (weekends).

Given that you are requesting pages and not editing, it may be acceptable to lower these rates a little bit, but I wouldn't push it too far. In general, though, you shouldn't have to worry about performance. I would, however, take a moment to review the policy on UserAgents, found here, so that your contact info is available to the developers if you are causing a problem. I hope this helps. :) ^Avicenna_sis @ 20:36, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Greyhound Lines-Wipedia the free encyclopedia

The site above says service is available to "white people." Is that ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.161.78.130 (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you looking at an article on Wikipedia? I can't see anything in the Greyhound Lines - and none of the other articles noted at Greyhound (disambiguation)#Long-distance_bus_companies appear to mention this. If you tell us what article it is, we can have a look. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 19:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Actually, I think the user was viewing Wikipedia on a site that was not Wikipedia. Please note that many sites will copy Wikipedia's content to their own page in order to promote advertisements or somesuch. To ensure this doesn't happen, always make sure you are viewing Wikipedia's content on the Wikipedia site (en.wikipedia.org). TNXMan 19:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It's at Greyhound Lines#Postwar expansion and diversification. I think the question is whether a Wikipedia article should be using the terms "white" and "black". Certainly those were the terms being used at the time being described in that section. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't blame Phantomsteve and Tnxman, though: nowhere in that article is the term "white people" specifically used, nor is there any phrase relating to black people being barred from the service. The only phrase that comes close is "black passengers were often forced to give up their seats to white riders." In response to the original question, the terms are certainly okay as long as they are used appropriately. Wikipedia is not censored and may contain content that offends some readers, although that does not appear to be the case here. Xenon54 (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I saw that section, but discounted it as being obviously (to me) historical, whereas the OP's question made it sound like it was saying it was in the present. As to the use of the terms "white" and "black", as the sources from that time would use those terms, I would say that it would be correct to use them there. To the original questioner: if you think those terms should not be used, then you should discuss it on the article's talk page (here) - but the question has never arisen on that page (and that section has existed in the article since July 2008). -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist

This shows up on my Display watchlist changes: (Deletion log) which goes to Special:Log/delete but it's not on my watchlist. This started happening about a week ago and I don't know why. Why? hydnjo (talk) 19:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

(Deletion log) appears because a page on your watchlist was deleted, or an administrator has deleted revisions from a page on your watchlist. Click the blue arrow to the left of (Deletion log) to see exactly what happened. Xenon54 (talk) 19:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

There isn't the customary blue arrow only a cryptic (to me) edit summary like: (Deletion log); 16:25 . . Phantomsteve (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility of Wikipedia:Help desk: removed content for 2 revisions (Non-public identifying or personal information). hydnjo (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The edit summary is trying to tell you that part of the history has been removed or hidden. For the help desk page, this is done after someone has posted an email address or telephone number here; any editor can remove it from the live version of the page, but then an admin needs to hide the history as well. So there's no blue arrow; the point is that you are not allowed to see what has been removed. But I agree that these entries make a mess of the watchlist page. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Further to John of Reading's answer, that particular entry does indeed show that I removed some content from those revisions - so it cannot be seen by non-admins. Often, I also contact CheckUsers to remove the details from the history so that admins can't see it either. The content in that case would have been either an email address, a person's address or a telephone number. Admins can remove the content, the IP/user name or the edit summary (or any combination of those) from the public record (although they are still visible to admins). If you look at this page's history for yesterday, you will 10 edits in a row (from when someone left their details until they were removed) which have had the content removed! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

So I'm seeing these activities because I'm watchlisting this Help desk, correct? hydnjo (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes -- John of Reading (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all and I hope that this thread will be helpful to others as well :-) hydnjo (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't you mean Oversighters rather than CheckUsers? Set Sail For The Seven Seas 317° 26' 30" NET 21:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Erm, yes... oops! Facepalm -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

user name

I have been trying to change an entry title in wiki from user name echo23 to futuresystemsprojects I got a notice it was Ok to do so, but despite many different attempts, User:Echo23 is still stubbornly there! Can someone help me?futuresystemsprojects 20:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC) echo23 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo23 (talk • contribs)

Perhaps in violation of Wikipedia:Username_policy#Company.2Fgroup_names. hydnjo (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you should be trying to change your user name. You have written some text on your user page about the company "futuresystemsprojects". The next step would be to create an article having this name, not to rename your account. Read about this here. But please don't do this yet - read the conflict of interest notice that has been added to the bottom of your talk page -- John of Reading (talk) 20:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You've fallen foul of several Wikipedia procedures and policies, which is why an administrator deleted your user page complete with the text on it. I can't see your deleted text, but judging from the comments above, it was a draft article about a business called "futuresystemsprojects". It seems to have been unsuitable for publication here because it was written like an advertisement, and advertising is not permitted on Wikipedia, even on user pages. If you want to draft an article in future, a good place to do this is in a "user sandbox" (see below). You were trying to draft an article on your user page, then rename the whole page with the name of the article - it's not possible to do this.

First, have a look at WP:N#CORP. If the company does not meet these criteria, it is not notable enough to merit an encyclopaedia entry at this time. If you feel it does meet the criteria, then John of Reading has given you a link to a page about creating your first article, which will help you. You can also use the Article Wizard. This will walk you through the creation process, and will offer you the option to save your draft in a user sandbox space, where you can work on it without the danger of it being deleted as unsuitable before it's ready. Once you think it's done, list it at WP:RFF and other editors will offer advice and suggestions for improvement. They will also help you move it into the encyclopaedia proper if they think it's ready. Karenjc 07:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

General Aristide Razu's photos?

Hi, I have also send some photos ,to the mentioned address ,with Aristide Razu.Will they appear in the article Aristide Razu sometimes?

Kind regards,

Also a little joke.At the article about Nicolae Balcescu,brother of my ggggrandfather Barbu Balcescu ,his brother.In 1970 a delegation of "Romanian historians" went to Palermo to take back to Romania,his earthly remains .The Capuchin Monks there told them that it is a commune grave and that the other families(of those buried in the grave) would not approve...etc.So the Romanian communist delegation of historians came home empty handed.Could this really be the truth or the Monks wouldn't give Nicolae remains because he was a Franc-Mason...etc Aristiderazu (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps. ^Avicenna_sis @ 20:23, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I've just added one of your pictures to the Aristide Razu article so that you can see how to do it. Feel free to undo my change. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much.This will do just fine.I would have been more interested however in this one

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/17208739 which is a crop of this one

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/17208682 Well i think the two of them would be best. it's from the Regiment he Commanded in 1928.Anyway ,now they are family album.Again many thanks.I tried to upload them but is difficult.Aristiderazu (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu

Well I did something about the pictures.They are family album now.Anyway Aristide Razu was Commander of Geniu(Engineers) ,and Inspector, and this was the Regiment of Signalling and Communication he Commanded at the time-1928.Aristiderazu (talk) 23:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu.Thank you again.