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May 18

Blackberry v4.5.0.169 Wiki English Load Error

Prior to the May 13 Wiki reformatting I was able to access Wikipedia in English via my Curve 8330. I have worked with my service provider to troubleshoot other coincidental problems, and have found nothing. All non-Wikipedia web pages load properly. The Wikipedia "Globe" page loads too, but Browser fails trying to load "English" link - "A problem occurred while trying to render the page". Anyone have a work-around solution? Many thanks!! Stevepeterson58103 (talk) 02:22, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Somebody I know has been having the same problem - I'm not sure if they have the same version, but it is a Blackberry. It must be a problem with all of these models - they probably can't render some of the more advanced programming on the new wiki - maybe you could try the "Take Me Back" Link at the top to take you back to using the old version. That should fix it.
~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 20:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks QwerpQwertus, but unfortunately, I can't get in far enough to access the "Take Me Back" option.Stevepeterson58103 (talk) 03:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you have access to any computer (at a local library, perhaps) that you could use to access your account and try going back to the old version? (There's a Bugzilla report on the problem, but I have no idea whether a fix is possible or whether it's being actively worked on at the moment.) Deor (talk) 12:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Deor, just can't get in with V4.5x operating system. (I tried emailing link after reverting to "Take Me Back" on my account, but Blackberry failed to get past "Page Loading" error.) Blackberry V5.0x software (tested by myself at retail outlet, two new phones) did load pages without error. It seems that V4.5x software (Curve 8330 and older phones limited to V4.5x) is where the problem lies. Stevepeterson58103 (talk) 13:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You may want to inform the developers of your findings (perhaps at Wikipedia:User experience feedback). I'm sure that the more specific data they get, the more likely they will be to find a way of dealing with the problem. Deor (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I am having this problem too. Every other web page loads except for wikipedia. I need help. 98.218.252.57 (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

You (as somebody else mentioned)should make an account - it's really easy and only takes literally a minute, no personal info is needed - and make your account use the old version with the take me back button at the top so that when you sign in to it on your phone, you will be using the old, workable version. Hope that helps.
~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 21:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I think I found a soultion to the problem below!

From your phone, use http://en.m.wikipedia.org - its the mobile version - it worked for me!
~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 21:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit filter triggered when creating new article

I tried to create a new article and I triggered the edit filter. I do not believe I broke a rule. The article is totally neutral. Is it because I just opened this account?

Article

'''Snapple Top Collection Services''' is a database, "Global Community Collection", that [[Collecting|collects]] photos of [[Snapple]] "[[Snapple#.22Real_Facts.22|Real Facts]]" caps from its visitors to display as a reference to all [[Snapple]] fans. [[File:STCS.jpg|thumb|alt=Alt text|Screen shot 5-18-10]] == Creator == Known as "'''Dani D.'''", the creator is a college student in [[New York City]]. She has a background in [[Internet marketing]] and collects Snapple caps personally.<ref>[http://www.blogger.com/profile/11749652222512135238 Dani D's Blogger Profile]</ref> == Background == The basis of the site is to bring together a community of [[Snapple]] fans and simultaneously show the power of the internet. In fact, Dani links the personal website links to the caps they submit in appreciation of their submission. The goal is to collect all of the "Real Facts" ever printed. April 16, 2010 the [[blog]] was created. Providing Snapple-related content to it's viewers including [[YouTube]] videos, images, [[Opinion poll|polls]], links and of course Snapple cap pictures. The majority of the pictures come from fans but some are supplied but the webmaster. Dani D. has said that she is looking for contributors to the site that can provide interesting content.<ref>[http://snappletop.blogspot.com/p/about.html#write4us Snapple Top Collection Services: Write for Us]</ref><ref>[http://snappletop.blogspot.com/2010/05/caps-caps-and-more-caps-plus-learn-to.html Snapple Top Collection Services: Caps, caps and MORE caps! Plus, learn to use Snapple to get girls =O]</ref>[[File:Snapple_Real_Fact_735.jpg|thumb|alt=Alt text|Snapple "Real Fact" #735]] The site has promoted active [[Recycling|recycling]] and comedy videos featuring [[Snapple]], made by [[YouTube]] users. "Global Community Collection" is a phrase coined by Dani to describe the site since many of the cap submissions are from fans from around the world.<ref>[http://snappletop.blogspot.com/2010/04/global-community-collectionhas-nice.html Snapple Top Collection Services: Global Community Collection....has a nice ring to it, huh?]</ref> "SnapTop Pics" is a coined phrase by Dani to describe Snapple "Real Facts" cap pictures. == Social Networking == There are several [[Social network service|social networking profiles]] that are connected to the blog that allows fans to communicate as much as possible with Dani.<ref>[http://www.dandyid.org/beta/users/user_id/35270 Dani D's Dandy ID]</ref> == Snapple Cap Submission== All one has to do is email Dani the photo of the Snapple cap with the "[[Snapple#.22Real_Facts.22|Real Facts]]" along with basic information (name, city/state, country, and website link) and the cap is usually posted within 48 hours. == See Also == * [[Snapple]] * [[User:SnappleTop]] ==References== {{Reflist}} == External Links == * [http://snappletop.blogspot.com Official Website]

SnappleTop (talk) 07:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the edit filter was triggered because you tried to create a page that was similar to your username. We have a policy called conflict of interest that applies here. Goodvac (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Please don't try to create an article about your own blog, that goes against our conflict of interest guideline. Also, looking at the article you posted above, there's no evidence that it would meet our notability guidelines for inclusion.--BelovedFreak 11:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Chinese name

What's going on at the top of the Chinese name article? There is a partially formed redirect but I can't find where in the source this redirect is coming from. And if I bring up the last edit diff, the redirect doesn't show up. I think it has something to do with the Chinese Text template but I can't put my finger on just what it is. Dismas|^(talk) 08:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hm... I don't see anything. What exactly am I supposed to be seeing? Someguy1221 (talk) 08:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Right under the "This article needs additional citations..." box, there is "1. REDIRECT [[Template:Contains Chinese text]". You don't see that? Even stranger... Dismas|^(talk) 09:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nope. I don't see it at all. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I suspect it's because the template in question, {{Chinesetext}}, redirects to {{Contains Chinese text}}. But your seeing the actual redirect is still weird. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 09:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see any notice about the Chinese text. Just a broken redirect. The single bracket on the end is what I see. It's not just that way because I stopped quoting. Dismas|^(talk) 09:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I was going to say purge your cache and try again, then I realized {{Chinesetext}} has never been a broken redirect. Which is weird. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 10:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I checked the template and it hasn't been edited in months. That was one of the things that I had checked, to see if it had been vandalized. Not only had it not been edited in months but it's protected as well. Dismas|^(talk) 10:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what was broken but it's fixed today... Dismas|^(talk) 22:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You have looked at the wrong history. Chinese name uses {{ChineseText}} which was edited incorrectly today.[1] You must have seen the article before the fix [2] reached it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I guess so. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 08:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Logo

I uploaded an image in Wikipedia English Mobi news.jpg and for some reason it uploaded in a squashed way. Kindly remove all 4 logos so that I can try again with another name.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comma10 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

IT IS FINE NOW THANKS, PLS DONT DELETE ANYTHING —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comma10 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Nobody, except you, has edited that image. Dismas|^(talk) 10:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation page - linking new article

Hello,

How do I link a new article i have posted for Environbmental, Social and Corporate Governance to the disambiguation page for the term ESG? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesca Sandys (talk • contribs) 10:22, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You can simply go to the ESG article and edit the link that is already there. The link contains commas in between the words whereas the article that you created does not. Dismas|^(talk) 10:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done – ukexpat (talk) 11:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Article

I just finished creating an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhoneSat and I would like to be assured that everything is ok.

Why is it written (If this article has not been edited in several days, please remove this template)??? Does that mean it will be removed??

This article or section is in the middle of an expansion or major revamping. You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well. If this article has not been edited in several days, please remove this template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comma10 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but everything is not OK. I have tagged it for speedy deletion as it is nothing more than an advertisement masquerading as an article. Please read WP:SPAM, WP:CORP, WP:FAQO and WP:COI. – ukexpat (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Comma is the name of a related company to PhoneSat. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

new wikipedia appearance.

i dont like wikipedias new look.it gives you the option to 'TAKE ME BACK' which i choose and yet when you choose that option it keeps reverting back to its new format which is very frustrating.can you please help.thank you.---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amjid mahmood (talk • contribs) 10:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

-- wiooiw ^(talk) 10:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Accusation

I received a link to this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:89.101.75.147#December_2009

when I opened Wikipedia this morning. I have never had a Wikipedia account and am not responsible for the two revisions for which I have been accused. I wrote this on the page as you can see, proving my ineptitude with even the notion of editing Wikipedia. I demand an explanation and a rebuttal of these accusations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.75.147 (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Since you don't have an account, the notices simply go on the user page of the IP address that you are using. IP addresses can change from one user to the next, so it's possible that the next time you come here, you'll have a different IP and different warnings waiting for you. Those warnings were issued to someone who was using that IP address on those days. The best way to avoid this is to create an account. Dismas|^(talk) 10:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Please Answer

Please answer my questions which I asked today under the title Article posted at 10:25

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comma10 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Please see my reply at #Article. – ukexpat (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

And please don't repeat your question after only 50 minutes. That is rude, and not likely to encourage the volunteers who answer questions on this page to talk to you. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Font size makes Wikipedia unusable

A few days ago the font size increased to such an extent that you can hardly follow articles. What changed? How can I open Wikipedia in a readable format? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.72.234.5 (talk) 12:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Most/all modern web browsers let you change the font size - for example, using Firefox or Chrome you can use Control + "-" (hold down "Control" (or "Ctrl") while pressing the "minus" key) to reduce the font size.

Alternatively, if you register an account you can simply do what I did - and go back to the old skin ;-)

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 12:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Duplicated comment that was part of a different discussion removed --ColinFine (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Or you could press Control + scroll. Sp33dyphil ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 05:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Random article within a specific portal :/

Hello dear people,

I've just joined the wiki comunity, and want to support its Hebrew version. Of course, many of the articles in English doesn't appear in the Hebrew version, and I want to contribute by translating some of the articles. However, clicking the "Random article" gives back a lot of uninteresting stuff. It takes quite sometime to getting an article that's worth translating (if it doesn't have an Hebrew version that is).

Isn't there a way to searching for an article, not available in your own language, withing a bunch of subject you find interesting ?

There's got to be a way, and I'm probably not the first to ask this (though I was looking for similar questions ..)

Thanks in advance ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.150.26 (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Why not help out with Category:Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia? See also WP:Translation. -- œ^™ 13:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

There are some links in the Editor's Index to Wikipedia, which might be of use to you. --Kateshortforbob _talk 14:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

OldEnglish’s suggestion is excellent, although the number of entries in that category is a bit limited. If you don’t see anything there that fits with your strengths, try Template:Random page in category, where you can pick a category of interest.SPhilbrickT 15:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Text

The text size on Wikipedia is now too small to read. How can it be changed back to larger text? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.69.5 (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Most/all modern web browsers let you change the font size - for example, using Firefox or Chrome you can use Control + "-" (hold down "Control" (or "Ctrl") while pressing the "minus" key) to reduce the font size.

Alternatively, if you register an account you can simply do what I did - and go back to the old skin ;-)

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 14:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Obviously substitute "-" for "+" - my original reply (above) was in response to someone who complained the font was too big after The Change. TFOWR^propaganda 14:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Brian Leung

There's a page for "Brian Leung." There is more than one Brian Leung and I want to add information about Brian Leung the fiction writer. I'm unclear from looking at your directions what the protocol is for doing this.Professorbri (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

See this guideline, and in particular this section. I'd suggest you create an article called Brian Leung (writer), though, and leave disambiguation concerns for now. TFOWR^propaganda 14:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Link to a section or sub-section

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I create a link to a section or subsection of an article? Duoduoduo (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

By using a number sign. For example, [[WP:Help desk#Link to a section or sub-section]] creates WP:Help desk#Link to a section or sub-section, which links you here. TNXMan 14:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Duoduoduo (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

And if the section is within the same page, you can omit the leading bit, so [[#Link to a section or sub-section]] renders as #Link to a section or sub-section which also links here. Note though that in either case, if the page has two sections with the same heading (as sometimes happens on the Help Desk and other similar pages), the link will take you to the first occurrence. – ukexpat (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Pictures.

There is an article of James Bondurant. The picture that the person used has my children in it. Yes we did take the picture with James. But this article was not done by James or any of his friends. The information is un true. BUT my main concern is I want my childrens picture taken off of this page. I never gave my permission to you it.

I would like this taken care of. If you have anymore concerns please email me at <email address removed>. Thanks Roberta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.85.88 (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons at File:James bondurant.jpg. You need to ask at their Help Desk.[3] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Roberta, I removed your email address - spammers "harvest" email addresses from sites like this, and we don't need your email address to discuss this. TFOWR^propaganda 16:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

How long before my article appears live?

Dear Wikipedia,

I am a first time user and have submitted an article.

How long does it take before my article goes live and can be found in a Wiki search?

Many thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Space uk (talk • contribs) 16:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I can find no evidence that you ever created an article. What is the name? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)According to your contributions, this is the only edit you've made to Wikipedia. Where did you submit your article? And were you logged in when you did so? TNXMan 16:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It should go live instantaneously. That's what's great about Wikipedia. Sole Flounder (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

But it may take a little while for the search database to be updated to include it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

University of Health Sciences Antigua

I represent UHSA as the Vice President of Institutional Advancement and International Affairs. We sent a package to the Chair, Mr. Snow and to the legal representative of the Foundation, Mr. Godwin that clearly states that the information posted from the school is false. Links that are used as supporting evidence don't work. Several times we have made editions to the page stating the nature of this false information but its left the way it is. Mr. Snow has in his possession the evidence that the page was fixed and two months after someone managed to place the false ans malicious information as it was before.

We make a friendly request to fix this page since this situation is causing economical damages to the school.

Your assistance is appreciated.

Lyzette Roman <phone # redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyz roman (talk • contribs) 16:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I have fixed a couple of the dead links that were used as references. It would appear that the cited references do support the statements made in the article. Because of your conflict of interest you and your colleagues should not be editing the article. Please specify on the article's talk page exactly which parts of the article you take issue with and provide sources to back up your points. – ukexpat (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I’d like to echo what has been said and add some additional points. Wikipedia has a large number of policies and guidelines, but some are considered critically important. The fundamental principles of Wikipedia are summarized by what are called the Five pillars, one of which states that Wikipedia will have “a neutral point of view”. In support of this principle, information in articles must be verifiable. There are some statements in that article which I can understand are not viewed positively, but I looked at the cited sources and it appears to me that the statements in the article are supported by reliable sources. Having said that, if editors are presenting one side of a controversy, and not the other side, that could interfere with the presentation of a neutral point of view. If you are aware, for example, of verifiable sources representing another side to the issue, please post the information on the talk page, and editors will review to ensure that the article is properly balanced.

Please note that our polices discourage editing by individuals with a conflict of interest. You have identified a conflict, so you should stop editing the article directly. However, you are permitted, even encouraged to post relevant material on the Talk page so that other editors can review and improve the article.

Thanks.SPhilbrickT 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Warning 4im

I was just wondering when I should use the Only Vandalism Warning?

I was thinking possibly if they had a final warning a month ago, it would probably be more appropriate to warn again, but only with a 4im?
Limideen 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It depends. If it's a registered user, then he/she will already have seen (and ignored) the final warning; if there are no "good" edits, then a 4im or even a straight trip to WP:AIV would do. If it's an IP address, the person at the computer this time may not be the person who was at the screen 1 month ago (check for contribution history) and so a further set of warnings, probably accelerated (i.e. don't necessarily feel you have to start at level 1 again), would probably be a good idea before reporting to AIV. I don't think that there's a right or wrong answer. I sometimes use it for a user / IP who has made multiple vandalistic changes without any warnings, rather than issue level 1, 2, 3 and 4 warnings like a real pedant! Bencherlite^Talk 17:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Font size

How do wew return the font size to a normal reading size. This huge font is terrible.Jwarshaw3 (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Most/all modern web browsers let you change the font size - for example, using Firefox or Chrome you can use Control + "-" (hold down "Control" (or "Ctrl") while pressing the "minus" key) to reduce the font size.

Alternatively, if you register an account you can simply do what I did - and go back to the old skin ;-)

Obviously substitute "-" for "+" - my original reply (above) was in response to someone who complained the font was too big after The Change. TFOWR^propaganda 17:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Also obviously, the original replies were written to non-registered editors - you may want to try the "Take me back" link at the top of the page first ;-) TFOWR^propaganda 17:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

30 seconds and a laptop

You have a potential-editor's very brief attention, and a laptop.

What pages or interface-elements would you use to demonstrate the core of how Wikipedia works? (I'll give my own 2¢ later) Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this being discussed at [[[WP:VPM]]? – ukexpat (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I had planned on asking in a few places; not everyone reads all the forums. The editors here are particularly well-suited to give feedback on this. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd go with the oh-so-famous and probably the most obvious page that may come to mind for many: the five pillars. Not only is it one of the first links a user receives in one of the many welcome template messages, but it nicely describes the core of Wikipedia and how it works. It links to and describes many of the things that many new users seem to have trouble understanding or grasping if and when they do have problems. It's also short, sweet, and to the point, which is important considering that we're talking about an potential-editor's very brief attention. Pages such as Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset are longer and less visually-appealing in comparison, and will probably fail to attract the potential-editor because of that. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 20:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

How about The Missing Manual. Read it in 30 second chunks. – ukexpat (talk) 03:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I also asked this at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#30 seconds and a laptop, where some other people replied. I gave my two main thoughts at the end there. Thanks folks. -- Quiddity (talk) 20:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Bearing in mind the Blind men and an elephant story, and the potential editor's extremely limited attention span, I would not attempt to convey "the core" of how Wikipedia works, whatever that might mean. Instead I would try to determine what little bit of Wikipedia the potential editor might want to contribute to. Does the potential editor like to take pictures? If so, focus on image uploading and licensing. Does the editor just want to correct the occasional typo? Explain how we do that. And so on. Try to narrow down what the new editor wants to do, as far as possible, and explain the relevant slice of the Wikipedia "core". The basic problem for any potential editor is figuring out what to click on and what to type. It is not easy to impart a general understanding of Wikipedia, especially in a short time, but it is manageable to teach a person to do one particular task here. WP:TUTORIAL is a start. --Teratornis (talk) 23:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Question Regarding Templates and Indenting

I have a multiparagraph template in my userspace that I substitute in. I'd like for all paragraphs to retain the indent of its parent. Easiest way to explain is, let's say the template is called Rocko and is this:

Hi, I'm paragraph one.

And I'm paragraph two.

Three here.

If I type :{{subst:User:WCityMike/Rocko}}, then it's going to look like:

(proper indent here)Hi, I'm paragraph one.

(at left margin)And I'm paragraph two.

(at left margin)Three here.

The effect I'm desiring would be that all paragraphs the template respects whatever the initial indent would be (single colon, double colon, triple colon, ad nauseum) (the initial indent that is, remember, outside the template being substituted):

(proper indent here)Hi, I'm paragraph one.

(proper indent here)And I'm paragraph two.

(proper indent here)Three here.

I can sort of "cheat" by swapping in "<br><br>" in place of the wiki line breaks, but that's not clean code and I'm wondering if there's wikiformatting that avoids the problem, as I can't imagine I'm the first to run into this particular question. Any idea? Hopefully this is the right place to ask this -- I didn't see a "wikiformatting help desk". Please feel free to direct me to a more proper venue if this isn't the right place! WCityMike 18:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Use the Poem extension: wrapping text in <poem>...</poem> retains spaces and newlines. If you really want to just indent a whole chunk of text, then use {{quote box}} with no border and a margin. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I just tried your advice, and you might've misunderstood or something -- in any case, the <poem>...</poem> thing doesn't adress the problem. Summary version is that I'd like paragraphs within a template to inherit the indent given prior to it being subst-ed in, instead of going right back out to the left margin. WCityMike 20:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Short answer: there isn't a way! You can't know how indented a line is (ie how many colons there are at the start) -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then. Looks like making it one paragraph internally and separating it with <br>...</br> is the only solution that'll work then. Obliged. WCityMike 23:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Why all the images not shown?

all images on my webpage are not shown, including the logo of wiki...

do you happen to know why?

it used to work very well, and it is not because of my setting of the browser, as all images on other website are shown properly.

Skinnyhorse (talk) 19:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Any page in particular or all webpages? Which operating system and browser are you using? – ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Browser settings can block images from a specific site without affecting other sites. In Firefox it's easy to accidentally block images on a site by right clicking an image and then clicking the wrong option. If you use Firefox then you may need (possibly some details depend on the version): Tools - Options - Content - Load images automatically - Click the "exceptions" button and delete http://upload.wikimedia.org from the list - Highlight - "Remove site" button. See also Wikipedia:Troubleshooting#Firefox doesn't display images for another possibility. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

questions related to engineering.........

1) what are the differences between electrical engineering and electronic engineering ? 2) what are the job opportunities available by studying electrical engineering ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishu7997 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. NotAnonymous0 did I err?|Contribs 19:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Needed to get new password but it wouldn't work, round 3

Follow-up from May 12th: (unable to log on) I never received a "change of password notification" from Wiki, so I don't know what the state of my (alleged) password is at the moment; I do know that the PC I'm currently using is a loaner since my former regular PC died--along with my usual browser (Firefox) and its stored passwords (I am its sole user--means that there is no chance I could be falling back onto old, stored incorrect data. And yes, of course the quotes in a cut & paste are being left out; I realize the advice is well meant (and necessary)--but I've been using computers since, well, before computers and PCs were synonymous. Not necessary in my case. So I'm still not sure what's going on. Try again with a new password? I'm not (yet) working with a stored password--one has to work before I store it. Any other ideas? I'm not deeply attached to my user name, but picking another one is a real PITA (sorry). In any case, thanks again for ongoing assistance, JoeRose50. 74.72.15.207 (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how long temporary passwords last but I have just sent a new one to JoeRose50. Go to Special:UserLogin. After failed login attempts you may get the message: "To help protect against automated password cracking, please enter the words that appear below in the box". If that happens then enter the words. Write JoeRose50 with that capitalization in the username field and check it doesn't change before or when you click Log in. Write the password very carefully with correct capitalization. If it doesn't work and you get an error message then post the message here. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. I guess the third time really is the charm. I'm not sure what the problem was but whatever it was it seems to have gotten itself extirpated somehow. For reference (to those reading through the archives as it may apply to their own situations) I can state categorically, with as much certainty that anyone with decades of experience could state :that I've typed my username and password in their proper case: (years of providing technical support professionally have made me as keenly aware of the issue as you were; as I said before, I understood why you pointed it out--it was quite proper to do so. I really was at a loss when I came here for help--I had spent hours trying to figure out why I couldn't get Wiki to recognize a password change it had just made for me. My best (and only) guess is that there is some latency involved in processing the password change. Perhaps the email came to me before the database had been updated? But since I don't know how your internal systems are managed or how your database is distributed and managed, etc. there's any number of explanations that lie in that arena--all it took is some time for the "data" to, well, settle. Bottom line: I've been able to log in with the temporary password, and therefore been prompted to change it to a new permanent password (which I've done). Unless you hear from me again, I'm outta here grateful for your patient assistance. Thanks again. JoeRose50. JoeRose50 (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Adding my own images

Hi Wiki,

I am creating a wikipedia page for one Division of University of British Columbia, Canada. How can I download images from my computer to my page? I would not like to make them public. The images belong to the Division. I'm just starting to gather information for the page. Thank you!

Educational Program Assistant Division of Continuing Professional Development Faculty of Medicine University of British Columbia www.ubccpd.ca Ubccpd (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, a few points:

1. No one owns a page
2. Any images on Wikipedia are generally licenced under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license - which basically means that they can be used by anyone for any purpose (even commercial). The mere act of uploading them to Wikipedia makes them public
3. For a division of the UBC to have its own article, it would need to be notable in its own right
4. You have a clear conflict of interest in this case
5. Your account name appears to be a role account for the UBC CPD, which is against the user name policy - and I will be blocking the account for that reason.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:12, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Searching with vector skin

Resolved

 – Intelligentsium 23:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I search Wikipedia while using the Vector skin? With the old skin, if you typed a name into the search box and clicked the magnifying glass (instead of hitting enter) it would take you to search results, even if an article by that exact name already existed. Now, it always takes you to the existing article and I have to dig through the special pages list to find the search page. It's super annoying. — jwillbur 23:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

You can click the magnifying glass while the search box is empty or doesn't match a page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Now I feel stupid. Thank you. — jwillbur 23:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Notability

Hi, I would like to create a new page but I would not like to go through all the work if you will delete it because of "Notability". We are a division of UBC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_British_Columbia, in Faculty of Medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculties_and_Schools_of_the_University_of_British_Columbia This is our website if you need more info. http://www.ubccpd.ca/Home.htm http://www.med.ubc.ca/home.htm I would like to connect our page to the UBC page and Faculties and Schools. Lyn001 (talk) 23:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lyn001. The Faculty of Medicine division already seems to be listed at Faculties and Schools of the University of British Columbia including a link to the website. I doubt it has sufficient notability to merit it's own separate Wikipedia article, but if you can assert this notability and have reliable references to back it up, then I would recommend creating the article as a draft in your userspace, via the Article Wizard. However, as it looks like it was already mentioned to you in one of the posts above, you seem to have a conflict of interest and shouldn't be editing on this topic anyway. -- œ^™ 00:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)