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March 3

Spaces

In two different articles today, I saw different editors change a space to &nbsp. I've seen that done for non-keyboard characters like em and en dashes, but never for a plain old space. In one instance, I changed it back (see here), not because it mattered in terms of the article's appearance, but because it needlessly cluttered the underlying code and edit window, and because I'm anti-clutter. Is there something I'm missing here?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Non-breaking spaces (in particular the second subentry under the first bulleted entry). Different browsers and window widths will cause lines to break at different places when articles are viewed, and the judicious use of nonbreaking spaces prevents the awkwardness of something like "3, 2008" appearing at the beginning of a line, when the preferable break would be after (or before) "December 3". Deor (talk) 02:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

It relates to 'wrapping' of text, over lines. A 'nbsp' is a non-breaking space, that means the browser will not split the word onto a new line.

For example, if you wrote "I am 2 m tall" it might appear (on some very narrow screen) as;

I am 2
m tall

If, however, you put "I am 2 m tall" it would put either;

I am 2 m
tall

or

I am
2 m tall

...ie, it will not 'break' the line on the space in-between the number and the unit-of-measure.

There's lots about this in WP:MOSUNIT - but frankly, it is best avoided by using {{convert}}, which does the hard work for you :-)  Chzz  ►  02:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, multiple plain spaces will collapse into one in HTML, and if one needs multiple spaces, nbsp does that, too. For example, in an article about malware, the need to mention files named like "me.gif                    .exe" may arise. These used to trick casual users into ignoring the "exe" tail of the malware and thinking that the file name was "me.gif" . User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 15:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone, that was a lot more information than I thought I'd get. Looks like I should not have reverted the edit. It also looks like it would be a lot of work to fix all the dates in Wikipedia with non-breaking spaces. Not worth it, either, in my view. I'm not sure that {{convert}} would help in this example, although I honestly admit I didn't have the patience to read all the documentation.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Dude, where's my talk page archive?

I've been tempted to WP:BOLDly prematurely archive a discussion at the talk page for Food and Drug Administration which falls afoul of WP:NOTFORUM, but there's nominally an archive page already, which is a redlink. I know that there's been more discussion on that page in the past, so it's clear that there should be something in that archive, but where is it? SDY (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There are actually two archives, but they don't have the "United States" qualifier. See here for the first. I'm not sure how to fix it, but I'm sure someone else can.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I figured it out. Apparently the last time the page was moved the talk page didn't follow. I put in a request for a move. SDY (talk) 02:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Adding a summary section to a wikipedia article

I am writing an article about a company and want to add a section with the logo and short summary about the number of employees, headquarters, Year founded, etc like here for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroConstants - the one in the upper right corner. How do I do that? Could not find the info in any of the help pages. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buhtelka (talk • contribs) 02:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You're looking for an infobox - specifically, {{Infobox company}}. If you look at Template:Infobox company, you can copy-paste from the examples and 'fill in the blanks'.  Chzz  ►  02:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

• Please ensure the article you are writing about a company fits within Wikipedias policies about WP:NOTABILITY and WP:SPAM. —ASPENSTI—TALK—CONTRIBUTIONS 21:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

WHY??

The first time I tried to change an article, you said I needed to have my citations- even though a conversation (as seen in anthropology) acutally counts as a credible source (i.e. "From the horses mouth" counts in some circles if not on Wiki).... I have DONE THAT- and yet the change I made is STILL being called into question--

doesn't NME count as a credible source? why not make a list of WHAT DOES count then!!?!

"Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." and if it is it doesn't seem to matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.30.221 (talk) 02:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I can't comment on your specific article problem, but does reading Identifying reliable sources help at all? CaptRik (talk) 08:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If NME is the New Musical Express, then it is a RS. Use {{cite journal}} to reference. Mjroots (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

It may help a bit to provide links to those edits that you made so that we can see if maybe we can figure out exactly what the issue was. Dismas|^(talk) 12:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The reversion appears to have been by User:ClueBot Commons and I posted a request to have someone explain the revreversion. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's the revert. Perhaps with a {{cite journal}} or even some "ref" tags it would have got through. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians. The revert from the IP editor was made by ClueBot NG, an advanced anti-vandalism robot. Unfortunately, these techniques sometimes generate odd false positives for some edits, and this is such a case by the IP editor. I apologize for your frustration with the robot's removal of your work; however, if the bot makes such false positives again, you are free to revert ClueBot NG himself to keep your work on the Wiki, and ClueBot NG will not revert you on that article again while you continue editing. -- SnoFox^(t|c) 16:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How ..

Hi. You Know How People Do Done With CheckMark. Or Put Up Tags For Improvement. How Do You Do That.173.178.93.250 (talk) 03:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

In general, templates are transcluded by enclosing them in double braces {{ }}. The "done" check mark can be added by typing {{Done}}. For the article-improvement templates, see the links to such lists as "Sources / citations / references", "Cleanup", and "Maintenance" at Wikipedia:Template messages. Deor (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Let Me Just Try It Out.  Done173.178.93.250 (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yay. Now I Know How To Do It. Thank You.173.178.93.250 (talk) 21:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How much traffic comes from outside U.S.?

Many friends of mine visit English Wikipedia, not our own language due to the quality of the content. I would like to know how much traffic comes from outside U.S. How can I get the data on that? cooldenny (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Do any of the links on Wikipedia:Statistics help at all? CaptRik (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I had a look through those myself and as far as I can see none quite answers the question. Alexa's site info for Wikipedia does include a list of the ten countries generating the most traffic and a breakdown of the total proportion of traffic coming from each (see here), but that's for the domain wikipedia.org, not specifically the English-language subdomain. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi - Some useful docs are linked to from this Wordpress Blog: [1] which you might find useful... although, I don't think that is exactly what you are looking for. Darigan (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

And edits on English Wikipedia by country of origin English Wikipedia... still not traffic though :( Darigan (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd like also to urge you and your friends to work on improving the Wikipedia articles in your own language(s) as a matter of love for your own language community. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There's plenty of native English-speaking traffic from outside the US! I notice that today (3 March) six out of the seven did you know entries on the main page relate to the UK. --ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorting Tables with MMM DD YYYY dates

I'm trying to create a stortable wikitable with a bunch of dates that go like "Jan 01 2001" (MMM DD YYYY). However it doesn't sort properly; sorts the months in alphabetical order rather than everything in chronological order. How do I make a sortable table sort this arrangement of dates properly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabe A (talk • contribs) 05:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Try wrapping the dates in Template:Dts. Nanonic (talk) 05:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for helping, but I've already put in 400+ dates in my table, and going back in and wrapping each one would take ages. Is there no way to add a command that would tell the table to sort the format style of my dates properly?
Example of problem:

Dates
Jan 01 2005
Nov 24 1732
Apr 25 1894
Apr 02 1970

Gabe A (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I gave it a try by copying the table onto a unix box and using sed to alter the dates. Unfortunately, this lost the chinese characters. Anyone got any other ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 11:59, 3 March 2011

Inputting all the Chinese would be much easier to do then rearranging all the dates. I would be glad to settle with that if it left me with sortable dates, because I don't want to change the dates nor my style of date formatting 68.224.145.95 (talk) 17:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Art Spiegelman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Spiegelman

This section: Reviews Comics as Art: Spiegelman's Breakdowns, by Bill Kartalopoulos, Indy Magazine, Winter 2005

Link is broken —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.135.0 (talk) 05:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. I have added an Archive.org link. Goodvac (talk) 07:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Location map template question

I need help with Template:Location map Golan Heights. I've converted coordinates from original image File:Golan Heights relief v1.jpg using calculator and tried to follow existing samples, like Template:Location map Syria Old Damascus. This new template is totally broken now. Any thought? AgadaUrbanit (talk) 07:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Missing line break fixed. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 09:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Should be OK now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Login and account details

Hi

I wrote about 'Secured by design' a while ago and I need to update links and would like to add to it, however i have missed placed my log on details, would you be able to help?

Kind regards

[name and content details removed for your own good] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.36.215.89 (talk) 12:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The history page for the article concerned will show the user names of those who have edited it. WP:Passwords tells you how ro retrieve a forgotten password. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I've removed your contact details, since we won't contact you that way, we can't use that information to check your log on information, and other people might use the information for nefarious purposes. Try reading Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password? Let me know if you need further help (click "talk" on my signature and leave me a message that way). Bencherlite^Talk 13:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Contributors to Secure by design can be seen here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

But as the OP said "Secured by design" I wonder whether they mean Secured by design for building? - David Biddulph (talk) 16:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Other wiki images

Is it possible to get images from other wikipedias moved to commons? This file doesn't appear to be in commons, and the equivalent English article Leona Florentino lacks a picture. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If an image on another Wikipedia complies with Commons licensing requirements then it can be moved to Commons. However the image information page for that image does not appear to contain any information as to its copyright status and without that, it is not eligible to be moved to Commons. – ukexpat (talk) 15:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

MagicValongo

Material not relevant to a help request

The MagicValongo is an international festival of illusionism, which takes place in Portugal (Valongo). It has often been the scene of performances, as guests, of several world champions in various types of magic and, moreover, it has been an important element of dissemination of magic, magicians and Iberian congregation and also as a privileged site of discovery , launch and promotion of new talents. It is held annually in September and includes various aspects, including contests, galas with guests, conferences, magic shows, street shows. It is organized with the support of the Municipality of Valongo by an experienced and qualified commission headed by António Cardinal and also composed by Fernando Castro, Salazar Ribeiro and Manuel Alves counting still with a set of several collaborators. Members of the organizing committee have devoted decades to the art of magic, such as being magicians but also in the qualities of lecturers, association leaders in magic, members of boards and specialty authors. Some members have previously been linked to organizations like MagicPorto, Festival of Saint John Bosco and the International Festival of Figueira da Foz. Besides being the oldest magical event in the country, it presents itself as the reference event in Portugal, and has increasingly assumed a major role in the international magic with its merits being praise on several industry publications and blogs. The MagicValongo has relied on the qualities of the guest speakers and competitors from Spain, USA, China, France, Argentina, Germany, Macau, Netherlands, Brazil, Sweden, Japan, East Timor, Belgium, among many more. They have also participated in the annual magic show booths representing dozens of houses from different magical places in Europe, Asia and the Americas. There is also the usual share of foreign associations accredited by FISM, and also including the official participation of several senior leaders of that world federation of magic. In an official newsletter - which is provided in the link below - the FISM (International Federation of Magic Societies), November 2005, was MagicValongo symbolically considered 'the wonderfull small scale convention. " It is an event with a life close to two decades and it has been conducted continuously since 1992 and has enjoyed every year with approximately two hundred participants, which, as already seen, come from a multitude of countries from almost every continent. Several of those who were awarded in the MagicValongo competitions came later to be honored with important titles, such as for example, FISM world champions (Helder), or vice champion (David Sousa) or national champions, for example from Spain (Rubiales). The MagicValongo takes place in the town of Valongo, and several of its parishes, Ermesinde in particular, which is located a few kilometers from Porto and also a few kilometers from the internationally airport. On 17, 18 and 19 September 2010, held the 19th edition of this event with international prestige. Once more with a world champion, Soma. And again with great success. In September Valongo has more magic! External sources Site oficial A Voz de Ermesinde, 30-09-2008: Grande Gala Internacional II do MagicValongo http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6169215/FISM-NEWSLETTER-Nr-November-To-all-Presidents-of-the http://iporto.amp.pt/eventos/magic-valongo-2009?theme=/tematicas/festivais http://magomarco-porartedemagia.blogspot.com/2007/10/magc-valongo.html http://forums.tibiabr.com/showthread.php?t=305986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoniocardinal (talk • contribs) 14:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

At the top of this page it says: "This page is only for questions about how to use Wikipedia. Are you in the right place?" Please read and take note. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Question about signatures

As of now, my signature "User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)" is a bit on the lengthy side (although not illegally long) WRT what Wikipedia:Sign calls length 'in display' and 'in markup'. My question is if I may shorten it to "User.0.0.0.1" for an IP-like look. - 0.0.0.1 is far from a believable IP address, so I think it can't be called IP forgery. - The "Never use another editor's signature" paragraph states that I may not use a different user's name or signature, and AFAIK, no user 'user.0.0.0.1' exists. Is there a way to check that? - Would it look 'substantially' like a different user's sig in the sense of that paragraph? (I know that one wikipedian's callsign is 'UserOne' but IMO the 0's make a substantial difference. Don't they?) - Is there a shorter way to link to my talk page, e.g. some internal user ID which expands to "User:User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One", to allow for a shorter signature 'in markup' ? - Of course, I don't want to change the way the links work. That would constitute disruptive signature in the sense of Wikipedia:Sign. - Will changes to my signature affect my sig retroactively? I.e. will for example this instance of my signature change? --> User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Thanks in advance.

Two firm answers: Special:ListUsers confirms there is no user named 'user.0.0.0.1'; and a change to your signature won't affect any posts that are already signed with the old signature.

One comment: since you haven't created a user page, you could shorten your signature by linking to your talk page only; User.0.0.0.1

One opinion: I think that 0.0.0.1 is clearly not a real IP address, and with "user" on the front as well there would be no confusion. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Note however that User:User0001 was blocked indefinitely eight minutes after creation for "Inappropriate user name, vandalism". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've changed my sig and added a notice to my talk page. If somebody's wikiname is too close to my new sig, he/she can ask me to change it.

I hope the linked digits aren't too confusing.

As of the appropriateness of "user0001", I can only guess that that was not the name he chose, but that the name he chose was too inappropriate (a personal attack, maybe?) and these names have been changed to "userxxxx" to remove the inappropriateness once and for all.

But that's only guessing on my part, mainly because of the quick banishment and the fact that my name didn't justify a similar reaction. Is there a page where I can see if he was actually renamed after being blocked? - User.0.0.0.1) 17:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If that user had been renamed before or after blocking, it would appear here; it doesn't, so that's the name as originally chosen. Bencherlite^Talk 17:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Can't there be a now-invisible name change? I know for sure that an oversight process can be requested, e.g. that if a personal attack is put into an edit summary, regular contributors can't change it, but oversighters can edit the summary towards something more civil. Is there a similar process to remove inappropriate names? (In my experience, there are a lot of attempts to create accounts which insult Bill Gates or more recently Steve Jobs.)

The only other 'bad' thing I could imagine is impersonation, i.e. pretending to be one of the founders of WP, or a Very Important Contributor. That would explain why the number 1 was deemed inappropriate by a WP staff member. - User.0.0.0.1) 06:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

PS. That case keeps puzzling me. There isn't even an associated contribs page, so I gather that there has been at least some WP:oversight.

PPS. Would it be considered good style to "usurp" user0001 anyway, even if I want to keep my current name? 13:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk • contribs)

IP address inserted instead of my username!

I edited an article, and for some reason while I was editing it I got logged out. So the log gives my IP address instead of my username for that edit. Well, can that get straightened out? I don't particularly want people knowing my IP (the edit was obviously from me!). Thanks, Interferometrist (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight and request that they suppress your posted IP address. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Editing without logging in:

Occasionally a registered editor will edit while logged out. While not usually an egregious issue, there can be some concerns about attribution and privacy.

• If you made an edit without logging in, you cannot go back and directly tie that edit to your account. If your desire to account for the edit overrides your desire for anonymity, you can log in, make a dummy edit, and add a note in the edit summary about the previous edit.

• It used to be possible to re-attribute edits from IP addresses to named accounts, but not since 2005 (see this page). However, as that page says, you can list your contributions made with the IP address(es) on your user page.

• If you make a comment on a talk page without logging in, then your signature will include your IP address. You can log in and edit the comment by replacing the signature. Be aware that the WikiScanner tool will retrieve these actions from the database and record them at the Poor Man's Checkuser, thus connecting your username and IP address.

• If you feel that the connection between the IP address and your username is an issue, then you can request that the edit be removed; see Wikipedia:Oversight#Policy and Wikipedia:Requests for oversight.

• Wikipedia does show a message box when an unregistered or logged out user edits a page. This may not be obvious— as a visual reminder you can make the Save page button green when logged in by adding this rule to your CSS page:

/* Turn the "Save page" button green when logged in */
INPUT#wpSave {
    background-color:#88ff88;
}

If you use FireFox, you can disable the Save page button while logged out by installing Greasemonkey and the MediaWiki: Prevent anon editing script. This must be applied to each computer you use and will not be available on public computers.

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you VERY much. I realized that there might have been such instructions somewhere, but searching for it would have been laborious (my initial searches didn't find it). Cheers, Interferometrist (talk) 17:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

City of Benton Harbor

To whom it may conscern... My Name is Welbii, I am contacting this site in regards to the picture Wikipedia has displayed for the City of Benton Harbor, Michigan... To whom do I direct my issueus in the matter of a better pictorial Picture than the plain BLAH picture that now represents our city? Can we atleast get a Picture of the Beach / Lake front or the Pier or a land mark for a Pictorial Representation of our city??

To whom do I seek to help make the nessecary adjustments?

thank you so much

Welbii <redacted> 16:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)16:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)16:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)16:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)GuitarPlayerII (talk)

We can only use the pictures that somebody has provided for us; have you made any photos you'd like to offer for use? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Is File:FidelityBldg.jpg a notable landmark within the city? -- John of Reading (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. If you are in the city yourself, the answer is very simple - go and take a picture you like with your own camera, then log on to the Wikimedia Commons website and follow the instructions for uploading your photo. It is then available for use on Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia project. I should point out that there are two copyright related points to this, however:

1. The picture you upload must be your own. Do not upload a picture found elsewhere on the web, and do not use a picture taken by someone else, as that would violate copyright restrictions.
2. By uploading the picture to Commons you are giving up many of your own rights to the copyright and others will be free to replicate it. This may not be an issue for you but check for further details on this on the Commons website if it concerns you. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Commons actually has other pictures: [2]. Several of them are used in de:Benton Harbor but only one in the English Benton Harbor, Michigan. If you have pictures with a free license then you can upload them right away at commons:Commons:Upload and add them to Wikipedia articles on your own. See Wikipedia:Uploading images. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

opening new window after clicking a link

when i click on a link in an article, how do i get it to open in a NEW window? (right now it goes to the link in the current window; so i have to hit "back" everytime i want to go back to the original article.) 64.136.26.235 (talk) 19:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

What browser do you use? In Firefox, I simply right-click on the link and choose "Open link in new tab". Not sure about other browsers though. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

With a mouse, you would right click on the link. With a keyboard, you can hold down the Control key and click (Windows) or hold down the Command key and click (MacOS). Dismas|^(talk) 19:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How do you "Update" pictures? (again)

I asked this question several days ago, I was given some answers but not enough that I could actually understand what to do. My original questions and responses are here Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 February 26#How do you .22Update.22 pictures.3F. Basically I wish to know how to update an already existing image file on Wiki Commons (without erasing the copyright info and change history). Specifically this picture File:Sus_scrofa_range_map.jpg. How do I do this? Do I have to install some sort of software to do it, or is their some easier way? --Hibernian (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The easiest way (I think) would be to click this link. You can then download and alter the file. After you are done you can click "Upload a new version of this file". This should do it. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

That's the only way that I know of and assumes that Hibernian has image editing software installed on their computer. – ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah! I think the advice given before was assuming you had a Wikimedia Commons account already. It would be easier if you are intending to update more images, to create a Commons account ( the new sign in global feature might allow to sign in automatically) . Once signed in you will see under the History box a new blue link appear that says: *Upload a new version of this file... As Toshi says, follow this linkand sign in or create a new account (you can use same name and password) and then this extra blue link will appear. Does this now make sense? --Aspro (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit Tab not visible

Hi, I have noticed that two articles that I have contributed to no longer appear to allow edits. I am not logged in. What is going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.252.10.85 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell us what articles you are talking about? The IP address that you used to post this has made no edits other than this one. ~~ GB fan ~~ 20:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

See the M-sigma relation. I am the sole user who contributed to the discussion section. The login name I used there seems to have been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.252.10.85 (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I seem no protection on this article so I'm not sure why you'd not be able to edit it. When viewing the page logged out I am able to edit it. Are you able to edit the talk page? Rehevkor ✉ 21:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Amusing - my laptop now appears to have edit permission - it didn't before - while, it is still not allowed from my workstation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.252.10.85 (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Might be a long shot, but your workstation browser might be infected with some kinda malware that redirects it to a mirror site that is not our own. There's no way to block specific computers from editing, just IP addresses. Rehevkor ✉ 21:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There have recently been cases (see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#No edit buttons) where unregistered users saw "View source" instead of the "Edit" tab on certain unprotected pages, but if you click "View source" (which has exactly the same url as "Edit") then you may be able to edit anyway. Is that the case? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

WHY! I provided the sources of back up ask to support this persons significance and importance and STILL my page was deleted!?

Hello! Please help me out! I have tried to create a page last night about Tonia Szafir, which is a public figure. I cannot seem to get a page about her up because an adim deleted in on the topic saying that is page is about a Real person not saying why they are significant. However, I don't understand how much evidence need I supply to support their significance!?!?!? They're not Shakira, or Didem Kilani, but they are very popular in several cities. Many people whom which I personally know/have met have a wikipedia page and they're pages are simply with hardly any sources of back up or description. I cannot understand why my page was deleted!?!?

I have copied the code from my page work, please view it and please help me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BDobrowols (talk • contribs) 23:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You asked this question using the helpme template at your talk page and received an answer.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)