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December 3

Help with a content dispute?

hi. Over the last few days I have been trying to improve this article by addressing the multiple issues specified i.e. original research, in-universe style etc. As this article lacks verifiable sources, I restructured the article and removed most of the information within the article as most of it was unverifiable, original research or unnecessary in order to rectify the issues identified with the article. However, this user is insistent on restoring the article to its former state. I haven't communicated with the editor directly as I don't think it would be helpful based on what the editor has written in their edit summaries but I have explained my own edits in the edit summary. Also, would be appropriate for me to revert his/her edits today on the basis of removing original research and re-writing the article so that it is no longer written in an in-universe style? Would I suffer any consequences for doing so? JayJ47 (talk) 00:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Bring up the issue on the article's talk page. Follow the guidance at WP:DR and WP:3RR. Don't engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Page for deletion

Hello again.
I sort of unintentionally created a page. - As an IP, I assume that I don't have deletion privilege (or, at least don't know how). This page can be deleted:

User talk:74.60.29.141/Editnotice

My apologies for the inconvenience, ~thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 11:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorted. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Most of us who have registered can't delete articles either. Only administrators can.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

The New Article

Will someone pls tell me how to convert a sand box article to an article for review I can't seem to figure it out. Thank You. CFyre (talk) 13:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Some tips:

• Add more content to your article
• Add more sources and add them directly after the relevant section in the article
• Do not write in CAPS in an article
• Do not create a list, without pointing out what that list is

Other than that it's certainly not a bad attempt. You can either continue to add to it, creating your article gradually and eventually use the move option at the top of the page when you feel it is ready (to send it into wiki-space). Or the other option is to propose someone else create it for you at WP:AFC. Good luck! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a billion. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CFyre (talk • contribs) 14:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Week Numbering

How exactly does {{CURRENTWEEK}} work? If a week is part of two years, is it considered the last week or the first week or both? Also, if the week starts 5 January (for example), is it week 1 or week 2? ypnypn (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I found an old thread Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_38#Use of mathematical functions that mentions ISO 8601 in the context of the {{CURRENTWEEK}} magic word, so it is likely that the description at Seven-day week#Week numbering applies.

But, in the context of Portal:Judaism/Featured picture, I recommend that you consider using {{Random portal component}} instead - very few portals use {{CURRENTWEEK}}. Then the content doesn't need weekly attention, and a reader can see a new selection at any time by clicking a "Show new selections" link. Have a look at, say, Portal:Society to see how that works. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The reason P:JEW will use {{CURRENTWEEK}} is that this way the picture can fit the time of year (e.g. for holidays, seasons, etc.) - ypnypn (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Deactivate page curation toolbox

How do I permanently deactivate the page curation toolbox so it only appears if I want it? I clicked on it earlier and now it shows up on anything new, but I'd like to have the choice of whether or not it appears. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried WP:VPT?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of that, thanks. Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:29, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Scrolling long table

I'm working on creating a table having 100+ lines. Is there a way to make the header and only 20 or so lines visiable at a time, where the rest of the lines can be made visible by moving a slide up and down? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

It is generally discouraged to do so. Please see Wikipedia:Mos#Scrolling_lists_and_collapsible_content. That section talks about permitted exceptions, such as in infoboxes, but that doesn't sound like your situation.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Having said that, I can think of situation where it would be desirable, e.g. NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Championship#Result by school and by year, so if someone knows of a way to do it without JavaScript or CSS, I'd be interested.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sort
Team	82	83	84	85	86	87	88	89	90	91	92	93	94	95	96	97	98	99	00	01	02	03	04	05	06	07	08	09	10	11	12

Sort
Team	82	83	84	85	86	87	88	89	90	91	92	93	94	95	96	97	98	99	00	01	02	03	04	05	06	07	08	09	10	11	12
Alabama			S				1				2	2	F	S	S	S	S	2
Alabama St.																						1
Alcorn St.																			1	1				1
Appalachian St.									1	1					1			1
Arizona																2	S	2	2			1	1	2
Arizona St.	S	S									1									1	2			S	2	E	2	E		1
Arkansas					1			1	E	S				2			F			2	2	2
Army																									1
Auburn	1	S		S	S	E	R	R	R	E		S	2		E	2		2	2				2				1	2
Austin Peay															1					1	1	1	1					1	1
Ball St.																												2
Baylor																				1	2		S	C	S	2	2	S	F	E	C
Belmont																										1
Boise St.													1													1
Boston College																		2	2		1	S	S	2	S
Boston U.																						1
Bowling Green						1	1	2	1			1	1											1	1	S			1	1
Brown													1
Bucknell																					1						1
Butler															1
BYU			1	1								1							1		S	1			2	1
Cal St. Fullerton								1		2
Cal St. Northridge																		1
California									1		1	2													1	1	2	S
Campbell																			1
Canisius																								1
Central Mich.		1	1
Charlotte																						1						1
Chattanooga								1			1									1	1	1	2		1	1	1		1
Cheyney	R	S	F
Cincinnati								1										1			2	1
Clemson	1						2	S	S	E	2	2	2		2	1	2	S	2	2	1
Cleveland St.																											1		1
Colgate																							1
Colorado							2	2			1	E	S	E	2	S				2	E	S	1
Colorado St.															2		2	S		2	1
Connecticut								1	2	F	2	1	E	C	F	E	E	S	C	F	C	C	C	S	E	E	F	C	C	F	F
Coppin St.																								1	1		1
Cornell																											1
Creighton											2		2								1
Dartmouth		O												1				1	1					1	1			1
Dayton																													2	1
Delaware																				1						1
Delaware St.																										1
Denver																				1
DePaul									2	1	2	1		1	2	1						1	2	2	S	1	1	1	1	S
Detroit																1
Drake	E		1		2									2		1	1		1	1	S					1
Drexel																												1
Duke						2								2	2	2	E	R	S	S	F	F	E	E	R	S	S	2	E	E
East Carolina	1																									1
East Tenn. St.																											1	1	1
Eastern Ill.							1
Eastern Ky.																1								1
Eastern Mich.																							1
Eastern Wash.						1
Evansville																		1										1
Fairfield							1			1							1			1
FIU													1	2		1	2	1			2
Fla. Atlantic																									1
Florida												2	1	2	1	E	S	1		2	1		2		1			2
Florida A&M														1				1
Florida St.		1							1	2										2				2	2	S	2	2	E	2
Fordham													1
Fresno St.																											1	1	1	1
Furman														1					1
Ga. Southern												1	1
Gardner-Webb																														1
George Washington										2	2		2	S	2	E	2		2	1		2	1	2	2	S	S
Georgetown												S																	2	S
Georgia	1	F	E	R	S	S	S	2	2	E		2		F	R	E	1	F	E	2	1	S	E	S	S	S	2	1	S	S
Georgia St.																				1	1	1
Georgia Tech												1										1				2	1	2	1	2
Gonzaga																										1		2	S	E
Grambling													1		1	1	1	1
Green Bay													1				1	1	1		1	2	1	1		2		1	2	S
Hampton																			1			1	1						1	1
Hartford																					1			1	2		2		1	1
Harvard															1	1	2				1	1				1
Hawaii								1	2				1		1		1
Holy Cross				1				1		2				1	1		1	1	1	1		1		1		1
Houston							2				1												2	1						1
Howard	1														1	1	1			1
Idaho				1
Idaho St.																				1						1
Illinois	1				2	2										S	S	2	2			1
Illinois St.		1		1				2																1			1
Indiana		S											1	1							1
Iowa					2	E	E	S	2	2	2	F	2		S	2	2			2	2		1		1		1	1	2	1
Iowa St.																1	2	E	S	S	2			1		2	2	E	S	1
Jackson St.	1	O												1													1
James Madison					S	S	S	2		S					1											1			1	1
Kansas						2	2				1	1	2	1	S	2	S	2	1
Kansas St.	E	S	1			1										1					S	2	2	2			2	2		1
Kent St.	1														2		1		1		1
Kentucky	E	1			1					1								2							2				E	2
La -Monroe		1	S	F
La Salle		O			1		1	2
La.-Lafayette																										1
Lamar										E																			1
Lehigh																1												1	1
Liberty																1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	S	1		1	1	1
Lipscomb																							1
Long Beach St.	S	E	E	E	S	F	F	E	2	S	1
Long Island																				1
Louisiana Tech	C	R	F	E	E	R	C	F	F	1	1	E	R	S	E	S	R	F	E	E	1	S	S	1	1				1	1
Louisville		1	1									2		2		1	2	1		1				1	1	2	S	R		S
Loyola Marymount																							1
Loyola (MD)													1	1
LSU			S		E	2	1	S	1	2						S		S	E	2	2	E	F	F	F	F	F	2	2
Maine														1	1	1	1	2	1				1
Manhattan						1			1						1							1
Marist																							1		1	S	2	1	1	2
Marquette													1	1		2	1	1	1				2			2				2
Marshall																1
Maryland	F	S	1		2		E	F	2	1	E	2				1				1			2	2	C	2	E	E		2
Massachusetts															1		1
McNeese St.																														1
Memphis	S			1		2								2	1	1	1
Miami (FL)								1			S	2					1					1	1							2
Miami (OH)																											1
Michigan									2								1		1	2
Michigan St.										2					2	2						1	2	R	S	2		S	2	2
Middle Tenn.		1	1	1	2		1								1		1						2	2	1	2		1	1	1
Milwaukee																				1					1
Minnesota													2								2	S	F	S	1		1	2
Mississippi	1	S	S	E	E	S	S	E	S	1	E		2	1	1								1	1		E
Mississippi St.																		1	2		2	2						2	S
Missouri	S	1	1	1	2								1							S			1		1
Missouri State										2	F	S	2	2	1		1	2	1	F		1	1		1
Monmouth		1
Montana		O	S		2		2	2	1	1	2		2	2	1	1	1		1				1	1			1	1		1
Montana State												1
Mount St. Mary’s													1	1
Murray St.																											1
N.C. A&T													1															1
Navy																														1
Nebraska							2								1		2	1	1							1	2		S
Nebraska.												2
New Mexico																	1				1	S	1	1	2	1	1
New Mexico St.						1	2
New Orleans						2
Norfolk St.																					1
North Carolina		1	S	1	S	2					2	S	C	S		S	E	S	S		S	2	1	E	F	F	E	2	1	S
North Carolina St.	S	1	S	S	2	S		S	S	S				S	2	1	F	2	1	S			1	1	1	S			1
North Texas					1
Northeastern																		1
Northern Ariz.																									1
Northern Ill.									2		2	1	1	1
Northwestern	1					2			2	2		2				1
Northwestern St.						1		1															1
Notre Dame											1		1		2	F	S	2	S	C	2	S	S	2	1	2	S	1	S	R	R
Oakland																					1				1
Ohio					1									1
Ohio St.	1		1	E	S	E	S	S	2			R			2			1				2	2	S	2	1	1	S	2	S
Oklahoma					S									2					S	S	R	1	2	1	S	S	2	F	F	S
Oklahoma St.								2	1	S		1	1	1	2											1	S		2
Old Dominion	S	F	E	C		S	2	2	2		1	2	2	1	S	R	S	S	S	1	E	1	1	1	1	1	S
Oral Roberts																		1		1				1		1	1
Oregon	1		1			2							2	1	1	2	1	2	1	1				2
Oregon St.		S	1										1	2	1
Penn																				1			1
Penn St.	S	E	1	S	S	2	2		2	2	S	2	E	2	S			2	F	1	S	S	E	1						2
Pepperdine																			1		1	1			1
Pittsburgh																										2	S	S
Portland													1	1	1	1
Portland St.																													1
Prairie View																										1		1		1
Princeton																													1	1
Providence					1			1	S	2	1
Purdue								2	S	2	S		F	E	1	2	E	C	2	R	2	E	S	2	S	E	2	E		2
Radford													1	1	1
Rhode Island															1
Rice																			2					1
Richmond									1	1														1
Robert Morris																										1	1
Rutgers					E	E	S	2	1	1	2	2	1				S	E	F	2		2	1	E	S	R	E	S	1	2
Sacred Heart																									1			1
Samford																														1
San Diego												1							1								1
San Diego St.			S	S								1	2	1		1												2	S
San Francisco														1	S	1
Santa Clara											2		1				1	1			1			1
Seton Hall													S	2
Siena																				1
SMU													1	2	1		1	2	2								1
South Ala.						1
South Carolina	S				1		2	1	S	1											E	2
South Carolina St.		1
South Dakota St.																												2	1	1
South Fla.																									1
Southeast Mo. St.																									1	1
Southern California	E	C	C	S	R	S	S			2	E	S	E	1		2								2	2
Southern Ill.					2	S			1		2
Southern Miss				1		1		1	2		1		S	1	2
Southern U.																					1		1		1				1
Saint Joseph’s				1	2
St. Francis															1	1	1	1
St. Francis Pa.																			1		1	1	1	1					1	1
St. John’s NY		1	1				2																		2				2	2
St. Joseph’s						2	2	2	1				1	1		2		2	2
St. Mary’s Cal.																		1		2
St. Peter’s	1										1	1				1		1	1		1
Stanford	1						S	E	C	F	C	S	E	F	F	F	1	1	2	2	S	2	E	E	E	2	R	F	R	F	F
Stephen F. Austin	1	1					2	S	S	2	S	S	1	1	S	2	1	1	2	1	1				1
Stetson																								1						1
Syracuse				1			2														1						1
TCU																				2	2	2	2	1	2	1		1	1
Temple								2													1		1	2	1	2	1	1	2	2
Tennessee	F	E	R	S	F	C	F	C	E	C	S	E	S	R	C	C	C	E	R	S	F	R	R	F	E	C	C	1	S	E
Tennessee St.													1	1
Tennessee Tech	1			1		2		2	2	1	1	1						1	1
Texas		E	E	S	C	F	E	E	E	1	2	2	2		2	2		1	1	1	S	F	S	2			2	1	1	1
Texas A&M													S		1										1	2	E	S	2	C
Texas St.																1						1
Texas Tech			1		2				1	1	S	C	S	E	S	2	2	S	E	S	S	E	2	S						1
Texas-Arlington																								1		1
Toledo										2	2			1	2	1		1		1
Troy																1
Tulane														1	1	2	1	1	2	1	2	1							1
Tulsa																									2
UAB													1						S
UALR																													2	1
UC Davis																														1
UC Irvine														1
UC Riverside																									1	1			1
UC Santa Barb.											2	2				1	2	1	1	1	2	2	S	1			1	1
UCF															1			1										1		1
UCLA		1		S					1		S						2	E	1				1		2				2	2
UMBC																										1
UNC Asheville																										1
UNC Greensboro																	1
UNI																													1	1
UNLV			1	1	2			S	2	2			1								1
UT Martin																														1
Utah		1			1			1	1	1				1	1	2	1		1	S		2		2	E		1	2		1
UTEP																											2
UTSA																											1	1
Valparaiso																						1	1
Vanderbilt					2	2		1	S	S	E	F	S	S	E	S	1		2	E	E	2	S	S	2	2	S	S	2	1
VCU																												1
Vermont											1	1	1						1									1	2
Villanova					2	2	1	1												2	2	E	2					1
Virginia			1	1	2	S	E	S	F	R	F	E	S	E	E	S	2	1	S	1	1	2		2			2	2	1
Virginia Tech													1	2			2	S		2		2	2	1	2
Wake Forest							2
Washington				1	2	2	S	2	E	S		2	2	S		1	1			E		1			2	1
Washington St.										1
Weber St.																					1	1
West Virginia								2			S												1			2	2		2	2
Western Caro.																								1				1
Western Ill.														1
Western Ky.				F	F	2	2	1	1	S	R	S	2	S		1	2		2			1					1
Western Mich.				1																		1
Wisconsin											1			2	2		1			1	1								1
Wyoming																											1
Xavier												1						2	1	E		1				1	1	1	E	2
Youngstown St.															1		2		1

Here you go. I added an extra header so that a header always remains visible. See Help:Scrolling list. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 06:38, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

But the extra header knows nothing about the main table contents, so its colums have widths unrelated to the table and it generally doesn't fit the table. --CiaPan (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

...and if you force it to the appropriate width, it would be necessary also to provide horizontal scrolling of the extra header, synchronous with the main table's <div>. --CiaPan (talk) 08:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very intriguing. I don't think adding the header works, it would be nicer if there was a way to freeze the header rows, but absent that, I think it is better off without them.

I think this works, as this is the kind of table where you don't really care about the whole table—you are either interested in a particular team, and want to see a single row, or you are interested in a particular year, and want to see the winner, the runner up, the other Final Four teams, and maybe the Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen teams, you aren't likely to be interested in the couple hundred teams that didn't make it that year, so selecting the year sorts those teams to the top—you will always be interested in the material at the top of the list (As contrasted to a filmography list, or list of roles for an actor, where you may be interested in items near the bottom of the list.)--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Hilary Engisch-Klein

Hi Folks ... I'm writing to correct the number of World Cup Freestyle Mogule Worrld Championships — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.46.22 (talk) 14:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying that you want to correct the article yourself, or that you want someone else to correct it? If you want to correct it yourself, please go ahead (and if possible, include a reference for your changes). If you want someone else to change it, you'll have to start by telling us which article you want changed. Maproom (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Tutorial for Mac user?

hi all -

I've just joined Wiki and have been trying to go through the tutorials.

I have no idea what any of this is talking about.

Is there a dumb dumb explanation page I can go to? I really can't even understand how to work Sandbox, for cryin' outloud.

Yes, I'm exclusively a MAC user - you guys got me with this whole {backslash} [[[]]] 42 hut hit hike!

Seriously - if there's another way to figure this out I'd be very grateful - I wanted to do some editing and add some pics today but I can see I'm 6 months from even attempting that.

appreciate any advice - thanks.

G — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Of Lee (talk • contribs) 15:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Which help pages are you looking at? Are you using the tutorial at WP:TUTOR? RudolfRed (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Can anyone explain to me why the infoboxes on Wikipedia pages (in the upper right corner) don't show up anymore on pages that I have saved to my computer? I should probably explain that I save Wikipedia pages routinely when I'm going to need the information soon and don't want to be confronted with a server malfunction (or even a Wikipedia strike) at the exact moment that I need to access it. When I don't need the information anymore, I delete the saved page from my computer again. This system has always worked great, until, since recently, the infoboxes, usually containing just the information I want, dissapear from saved pages. Why does this happen and what can be done about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.230.65 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

What file format do you use to save the pages? WikiPuppies _bark ^dig 17:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

That's a bit difficult to say, since my computer gives these terms in Dutch and I don't know the English equivalents. What I do is I click "file", then "save as", then choose the top one of the four formats you can choose in the bar-like window beneath the file name. That way, on my computer it saves like a folder with an attached web document. My computer calls this format "Webpagina, volledig", meaning something like "Complete Webpage". I hope you understand what I am talking about, because this is as clear as I can make it.80.61.230.65 (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It might also be easier to save the pages as PDFs (sidebar → Print/export → Download as PDF) since basically all content is preserved in a PDF in one way or another (although it looks very different). The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 17:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I tried that (never did so before), and it might certainly be a solution in some instances, although it's a bit more involved and takes somewhat more time than my old method. But have you got any idea what causes the infoboxes to disappear in the first place? 80.61.230.65 (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Where did my tabs go???

Suddenly my tabs ("project page" "talk" "edit this page" etc have all but disappeared. There is only a tiny litte hint of a tab above "Editing Wikipedia: Help desk" and I have to move my cursus over it before I can read what tab is underneath. Did I click on some button that made my tabs disappear? Has Wikipedia changed this?? And, most importantly, how can I get my tabs back? Lova Falk talk 19:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

They are back! I have no idea what happened, but it's a great relief. Lova Falk talk 19:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed

Do you use wikipedia on the monobook appearance and have you changed any of your preferences lately? Refer to me on my talk page. CFyre (talk) 19:28, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like what happened in Commons:Commons:Village_pump#Broken_page_styling

Yes, it looked exactly that way. Lova Falk talk 19:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

This and the next two sections are about the issue at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#What just happened to the UI? It may have been triggered by an edit by me (I have been accused). PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Weird titles

Some weird titles have suddenly appeared on my pages. They are large and black, and seem to crash into text on the page. How can I get rid of them? Bleaney (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Try bypassing your browser cache - that's Ctrl+F5 in many browsers. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Help please - how do I fix this?

Help please! The way my Wikipedia pages are looking at the moment means that the words at the top which say "Edit this page" "Talk" and "History" are slightly obscured by the top of the page. What I really need to do is to bring the page down - but I am not sure how to do this. I assume that one of the F numbered keys at the top of one's keyboard could achieve this - but I do not know which one. Does any one know how I could bring the page down? Fortunately, I can still edit pages if I click where it says "Edit", but it would be nice to be able to read the words correctly. Thank you in advance for any help. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a common issue, there is speculation as to the cause, but bypassing your browser catch should fix it. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. Monty₈₄₅ 20:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed, I have now gone to Wikipedia: Bypass your cache and seemed to get the advice I wanted. I was using Googe Chrome - and pressing the control key and R, as advised to do there for users of this web browser, seemed to fix things. Thank you for your help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Can't find any info on Randolph Thompson, actor, composer, recording artist, director

www.randythompsonmusic.com

www.imdb.com/name/nm0860612/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.16.183 (talk) 19:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Study WP:ENTERTAINER and see if he meets the notability criteria as an actor. All I see is many one-off appearances in various TV shows, nothing really "unique, prolific or innovative" about his contributions to a field of entertainment, and probably not a huge fan base or cult following. Similarly, study WP:NMUSIC and see if he meets the criteria as a musician. For one, I suspect that "Euphony Randolph Music" is owned by Randy Thompson, which would make his musical work self-published. Astronaut (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Inviisble edits

Hi, it's me again! Could someone please look at [this diff] and tell me why half of what Melindahua wrote and all of my reply isn't visible on the talk page? Thank you! Lova Falk talk 20:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Because you've got an unterminated <ref>. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm too sleepy... Lova Falk talk 20:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

My submission was declined. The sources need to be verified

Is anyone available to help me with my wikipedia page. Can I hire someone for assistance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canuckfan79 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

If you hire someone who exactly will pay the bill? We would rather deal with them directly unless you can verify your involvement.--Aspro (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I suspect the editor is hoping for one of the eager, friendly and bright Help-desk volunteers to provide assistance - however, donations are always welcome at Wikipedia! Here → http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Support_Wikipedia/en

It looks like the page is gone entirely due to copyright problem - sorry, can't help you there. ~Eric F Modified:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2012 (UTC)