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October 26

Jamie Lee Curtis has two children Annie And Thomas Guest that are not listed on your site

Jamie Lee Curtis has two children Annie and Thomas Guest Please include them in your site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.41.181 (talk) 02:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I cleaned up your post a little. The article Jamie Lee Curtis already lists her children Annie and Thomas. RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Delete entry about me please!

Hi,

My biography was put on wikipedia without my permission by a gallery. I have attempted to remove it myself but got a warning. I only talk to the gallery via my lawyer and they refuse to de-link or do anything to remove me. PLEASE HELP by completely removing me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_Ferguson

Many thanks, Ireneferg (talk) 03:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Your permission is not required for us to have a biography about you; however, this article happens to appear to violate our policy on biographies of living persons and is probably not notable enough for inclusion, so I have proposed deletion. However, if sufficient sources are found, the article may be kept.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I think Notability is confirmed. I found 6 web mentions of Ms. Ferguson and 7 news articles through google and placed them all on the talk page. I restored the article with the proposed, since a proposed delete on an empty page is sort of weird. I also don't find anything that violates BLP except for possibly the birthday. I know we've deleted month and day on request from the subject of the article. I found the birth year in an unrelated reference.Naraht (talk) 04:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Update: Someone found sufficient sources, so the article can likely be kept. If you wish to voice your concerns, you may go to the online ticket request service.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Please read about ownership of articles and the rules in Biographies of Living Persons. Wikipedia uses referencable work, which generally means that information in articles is somewhere out on the web or in a newspaper or someplace similar. Please take a look at the article and where this information is available to see if something not referenced is there. The month and day of your birth have been removed, that isn't appropriate to include unless very publicly available elsewhere. You may also want to see Wikipedia:Contact us - SubjectsNaraht (talk) 05:24, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing Citation and Referencing notification

I am very new to editing and I have been doing some work on different suburbs of Auckland, NZ, in particular Kingsland, New Zealand. Before I began it had the Citation and Referencing notification:

at the top of the page. I have since added content and referenced my sources. I was wondering if it is within Wikipedia etiquette for me to remove the notification myself or if I need to request for an administrator to reevaluate the page? Researchassistant101 (talk) 04:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I removed it for you, but in this case, you could have removed it yourself. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Kripalvananda

Would you check the edit I did and erase what is not appropriate. The page I get now is not information about Kripalvananda, but one of my comments. Thanks. lh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhovde (talk • contribs) 05:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

It's already been reverted. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 06:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

LUTALO MUHAMMAD VANDALISED ENTRIES

THE PAGE ON LUTALO MUHAMMAD IS BEING VANDALISED! SOMEONE KEEPS CHANGING THE INFORMATION TO INTENTIONALLY DISPARAGE HIM! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutalo_Muhammad08:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legalactionjackson (talk • contribs)

Lutalo Muhammad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There is no need to shout.

I see no vandalism there. I see an edit dispute between you and another editor, who has been adding well-sourced content to the article, while you have been deleting it without explanation. Maproom (talk) 09:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Idea for Article

How do you submit a new idea for an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.129.50 (talk) 10:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean something like WP:RA? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 10:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.129.50 (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I want to give an idea for an article about "The Freedom Fighter" (book by Derick Bingham) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.129.50 (talk) 10:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) What are you trying to do? Do you want to create a new article yourself? Or suggest a new one and have someone else write it? Or do you want to discuss adding or changing something in an already existing article? - Purplewowies (talk) 10:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Seems pretty unlikely that this would meet the notability requirement for books. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

LUTALO MUHAMMAD VANDALISED ENTRIES

I am Lutalo Muhammad's father. I have been undoing the posts that are incorrect. Please look at his very first page to determine which information is correct. This a nightmare. He was in a selection battle to attend the Olympics, the other chaps supporters are changing the facts to disparage my son. JUST GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PAGE POSTED IN JULY AND PROTECT IT. I WILL SEEK FURTHER ACTION IF YOU CONTINUE TO BLAME ME! THIS IS MADNESS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legalactionjackson (talk • contribs) 12:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

By "I will seek further action", do you refer to taking legal action? If you do, please read Wikipedia:No legal threats. SassyLilNugget (talk) 12:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Please remain calm and try to understand what is happening here. The content of the article is well sourced and factually accurate. Your attempts to change the content is resulting in removal of correctly sourced material and so your changes are being reverted. We, as editors are happy to work with you to adjust any incorrect content provided you can provide reliable sources indicating a difference. Can I strongly advise you to stop making changes to the live article and instead post the issues you have with its content on the articles talk page (Talk:Lutalo_Muhammad) then other editors can inspect your proposed changes and comment or include them. CaptRik (talk) 12:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

In addition to the above I would like you to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Besides Wikipedia is driven by reliable source. What you are doing here is removing/altering sourced info and adding redundant info. Now that so many editors have reverted your edit I suggest you take this matter to the talk page of the article and discuss with other editors how your edit improves this encyclopedic article. --SMS ^Talk 13:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

OP has now been blocked. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Reece Robertson Page

I tried to inform one of the managers of Wikipedia about an singer Reece Robertson i represent but they couldnt help me, Basically we are still editing the page with loads of information but for now it only has 2 paragraphs and references, I was wondering if you could cancel the pending deletion as we are putting all the information on so that's why it lacks information

Many Thanks, CityFMNational — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFMNational (talk • contribs) 13:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

You've already created a copy of the page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Reece Robertson; I suggest you try and bring it up to standard there. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

On second thoughts, given that your username violates the username policy I have blocked your account; please see the block message on your userpage for details of how to appeal the block and change your username. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Tattoo Artist list, adding an artist

Hi, I would like to add an Italian tattoo artist Tom Tattoo, real name Tommaso Buglioni, one of "the fathers" of modern tattoo art in Italy, born in 1961 and working since 1982. He has long worked in the USA, partecipating to several conventions in the State, as, for instance, The NYC Tattoo Convention since his first edition in late '90s. He has a page in the Italian Wikipedia: can I add him to the list even if he has not an English page? How can I manage it? Thanks--Giulia Visci (talk) 16:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

That's kind of a complicated question. There's no rule that requires a list item to have a page associated with it, but editing is by consensus and other editors may object unless you can at least provide a reliable source, as defined by Wikipedia, which says that he's sufficiently important to be included. You might try adding him with a link to the Italian Wikipedia article in this form [[:it:Tom Tattoo|Tom Tatoo]] but I'm not at all sure that will be sufficient since there may be sourcing and copyright problems with the Italian article. Your best choice may just be to wait to see if anyone responds to the suggestion that you've made on the list's talk page. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind answer! What about adding a list of English language publications mentioning Tom Tattoo as a reliable source? If you have a look to the Tattoo Artist List you'll see it is a table: hoe do I add a name to the list? Thanks --Giulia Visci (talk) 07:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Start with Talk:List of tattoo artists. I have so much trouble adding stuff to tables I'm not really the one to ask. I usually mess up the table when I try.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Adding a Picture

Hi,

I am trying to upload a picture of our Carassauga page but can't seem to get past all the questions being asked. Please let me know the best way to upload a picture of our Festival to our page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carassauga (talk • contribs) 16:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your username violates our policies against editing from a role account and you will probably be blocked from editing for that reason before you are able to upload any photo. If you establish an individual account, then you need to know that the questions must be properly answered in order to confirm that Wikipedia will accept the photo for use here. Once you've established an individual account, you might post here again to say which questions are giving you trouble. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

BTW, it's not your page - the article belongs to Wikipedia. See WP:OWN and WP:COI for some guidance. Roger (talk) 09:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Minor edit check box is checked

Have I missed something? Noticed today that the minor edit box is by default checked. I am sure this is new, isn't it? How do I "uncheck" it permanently? I am certain that I did this last year when starting to edit on Wikipedia. Now I cannot find out how to do that. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 17:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't happen to me. I don't want to state the obvious... a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 18:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the setting for making every edit minor, somewhere in you user preferences? Astronaut (talk) 18:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

@ User talk:Floating Boat ... Perhaps you should. It is not obvious to me.
@ Astronaut Thanks, I thought that too, but cannot find it anywhere.

To all: Please can someone help me!

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 19:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

The checkbox before "This is a minor edit" is checked? You're not getting it confused with the box following minor edit, which is for "Watch this page", are you? That box is checked on pages you are already watching, and there is a setting to always check it in your preferences. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

@ Purplewowies Thanks. I am fully aware of the 'Watch this page' check box to the right of the minor edit box, and I have checked in My preferences the appropriate check box : 'Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist'.

I believe that option in preferences was removed some time ago - too many people left it checked, and marked everything as minor. Do you remember enabling that option at any point in time? If you did, I guess it's possible that it remained enabled when the preference got removed, although I thought they'd taken steps to avoid that. If you didn't, then you may want to ask at WP:VPT for help. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @ User:Hersfold Yes, I had a sneaky feeling that I had read something about it being made unavailable for that reason.
I certainly never enabled it. I shall have to keep an eye on it. It seems to appear checked on some edits and not checked on others without any contribution from me. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 20:47, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Aha, I found a way to check. Go to this link: [1] that will list all the preferences you currently have set in a machine-readable format, which usually isn't useful for us, but the benefit here is that it includes all the preferences we've hidden from the normal screen. Once you go there, make sure that your username appears on the page, and then search (Ctrl+F on Windows) for "minordefault". If you see minordefault="1", that means that somehow your preferences are still set to mark all edits as minor by default. I can give you instructions on how to turn that off if needed, but it's a little more complicated. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. If you're sure it's the minor edit box that's being checked and not the "watch this page" one, I haven't the faintest idea why this would be happening, and I'm certainly not seeing it. Is there a particular page that seems to consistently have the box checked when you try to edit it? Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 20:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I have done your check on "minordefault" and it shows =0
As I said above, {{edit conflict}}, I shall watch it carefully. Many, many thanks for giving so much thought and help. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 21:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Some settings can make minor edit be checked for some types of edits. I see you use Twinkle. See Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences. Do you use the Vector skin? User:Gareth Griffith-Jones/vector.js imports User:Kbh3rd/whackamole.js which has mention of wpMinoredit.checked. User:Gareth Griffith-Jones/vector.js also imports Wikipedia:AutoEd/complete.js which imports various other things I haven't examined. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

@ PrimeHunter I have always had all Twinkle check boxes,namely,
| AGF rollback | Normal rollback | Vandalism rollback | "Restore this version" | un-checked.
Not using whackamole
Yes, AutoEd defaults to "minor edit".
I think you may have provided the answer. I shall watch carefully on other editing. Thank you. Sincerely, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 22:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

YMCA Camp Minikani

Good afternoon! I was wondering who I would need to contact to update some information about the YMCA Camp Minikani Wikipedia page.

Most notably the points in bold below. Could you please direct me to the correct person?

YMCA Camp Minikani is a residential summer camp located along the shores of Lake Amy Belle in Hubertus, Wisconsin, in Washington County, Wisconsin, United States. YMCA was established in 1919 by the Milwaukee YMCA. Minikani is also home to one of the cleanest lakes in Wisconsin, Amy Belle. At its conception, Minikani served as a summer camp for boys living in the Milwaukee Area who came for two weeks to learn camp skills and participated in competitive athletic events. Minikani has since transformed to a co-ed camp that has shifted from competitive activities to challenge by choice to eliminate the emotional pressure of competitions. To this day, Minikani offers its traditional summer programs, Explorer programs, Leadership in Training programs, as well as Day Camp and Equestrian Camps. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.48.118.66 (talk) 18:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello! You are more than welcome to be bold and edit the YMCA Camp Minikani article yourself. You don't need any permission from us in order to edit the information. Cheers, SassyLilNugget (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

However, your contribution will be enormously more valuable if it references at least one indepedent reliable source for the information, otherwise a reader has no way of knowing whether it is correct or not. --ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hello ~ I'm sure this question has been asked a thousand times before ~ and I think I've read the prerequisites that Wikipedia requests of contributors before they can post an image ~ but I'm having difficulty placing a well-known image of Aaron Robinson at the keyboard in a Hirschfeld Caricature by Jon Bogdanove within the article.

Hirschfeld Caricature
File:Ragtime Caricature.jpg Caricature of Aaron Robinson at the Keyboard by Jon Bogdanove

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Robinson_%28composer%29

Am I doing this right? and do I have access to actually posting it? I'd like to add it ... but I'm not sure how. Thanks so much in advance for your help! I appreciate it! Music4ibc (talk) 18:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Unless you think you can get the copyright holder to grant permission (and not just for Wikipedia to use it), don't upload the image. Wikimedia Commons only accepts images released under a free license. If the image is copyrighted, non-free content, don't upload it here either, as using non-free images of living persons is unacceptable in most cases. Using a caricature in the person's infobox might be disparaging and probably should be avoided anyway. PleaseStand (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

PCRL

Dear Friend,

There is a Wikipedia topic of "PCRL", and I would like to add additional entries under this title that is not related to the entry already under this title. Is this appropriate, and how should I do that? Specifically, I am the founding director of the Powertrain Control Research Laboratory (PCRL) at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. This research group was founded in 1989, continues to thrive today, and conducts important research and development, and trains engineering students for the transporation and other industries. We have also won a number of important international awards, and have several patents to our credit. You can review PCRL's history and activities at: http://powertrain.engr.wisc.edu

Please let me know how I can add content to Wikipedia about this group (PCRL). Thank you for your consideration. Best regards. 2607:F388:1082:FFF4:53B:379D:EA47:3AF3 (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

You can learn how to create an article at WP:YFA. Since you are affiliated with the group, you should also read about how to handle a conflict-of-interest at WP:COI. It might be better if you have someone else create the article. You can request that at WP:RA. RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

And to explicitly answer the first clause in your question: no, it's not appropriate. Each Wikipedia article treats only one topic, so your organization would have to have an article of its own, presumably titled with the full name of the organization. A hatnote at PCRL would then be added to direct readers searching for the organization to the correct article. Deor (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)