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December 6

Donation error

Hello,

This might not be the correct forum for this issue but I couldn't find another one. Anyway, I tried donating $50 to wikipedia and it said the transaction could not be processed. I tried 3 more times and got the same result. However, I just went on my online bank account and it lists all of these attempts as "pending debits". I don't know if they will be rejected at the other end, but at any rate I only want to make the original donations and I would like all the subsequent ones to be canceled. Who should I contact about this?

Thanks, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.155.113.238 (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

This help desk is manned by volunteer editors who don't work for the Wikimedia Foundation and don't have access to donation data. I don't have inside knowledge but clicking "I received an error message, but I still see a charge on my credit/debit card" at wmf:Problems donating/en displays: "If you received an error message stating that your transaction could not be accepted, your donation was not processed or accepted by the Wikimedia Foundation. A charge may show up on your card, held by your bank, as this is standard operating procedure for any online transaction. Your bank will release these funds in about 3-5 business days, depending upon their rules and regulations. If you would like to attempt a donation again, please visit our ways to give page for a full range of options." I don't know whether it's relevant in your case but see also wmf:FAQ/en#What is your refund policy? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?Grace Xiao (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Veking Heavy Industries

Add [[File:anythingyouwant.extension|thumb]]. You can fill out the information with any file on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. For instance, [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb]] produces:

You can add other things as well. [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|left]] places the image on the left, [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|A jellyfish]] adds a description, and [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|250px]] specifies the size of your image. --T H F S W (T · C · E) 04:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

you can read the tutorial here Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. You should also be aware of the policies about WP:COPYRIGHT. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Order a remote control

I need to order a remote control for my radio CD player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.125.216 (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

A1 song Page Deletion

How to delete the page A1 song? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1natics (talk • contribs) 05:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

it has already been deleted. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Missing page

hii

my information page is absolutely missing , kindly revert on the same . Amrita Sengupta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.58.188.242 (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there has never been a page called Amrita Sengupta on the English Wikipedia. Rojomoke (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Publication in Company News Magazine, 1966

I am working on a biography to be posted in the Wikipedia in the near future. In this biography, I would like to refer a published company news magazine article dated Dec 1966. There is no way any reader will be able find that article as the company no longer exist. Is it ok to attach the article in .pdf as a part of reference in the biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morahim (talk • contribs) 07:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

while there may be a way, doing so would be a violation of copyright and it would be removed. Neither the verifiability policy nor the guidelines on reliable sources require on-line accessibility of sources, merely the appropriate citations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

When you cite that source, be sure to include as much information as possible - the author or the article, the title, the name of the publisher, the name of the magazine, the date of publication and the place of publication if possible. Also be sure to use an inline citation so that the readers can see what information the magazine article is supporting. That's the best you can do. One day the copyright holder may put the news magazine issues on line, and if that happens a link can be added. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Two more things to consider are if this is an internal company magazine, it may not meet the criteria as a reliably published source as such productions have as their primary purpose promoting the company and not facts. And if the subject of the article is/was an employee of the company, the magazine will not be suitable for establishing the notability of the subject since the publication and the subject are not independent of each other. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Reference Desk.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Where should I place questions about the Bible? AND, where should I place a question about which Bible/Bible version Harold Camping uses/used? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 09:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

About what is in the Bible? Probably Humanities. As for which Camping uses, probably Misc. Dismas|^(talk) 10:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

About why the best version is KJV/what Bible version is best. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The best version would be 100% a matter of opinion. CTF83! 20:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The "best" version would be whatever is as close as one can get to the original texts - in Hebrew, Greek, etc. But unless one speaks or at least can read those texts, they have to settle for a translation. And I've not heard many modern scholars argue that the KJV is the "best" translation. In fact, as I recall, the KJV was taken from the Latin version - so it was filtered twice. However, it's highly regarded for the way it reads, even if not necessarily for the accuracy of its translation. So the term "best" is too vaguely defined to make such a question valid for the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The KJV was translated from the Hebrew and the Greek, not from the Vulgate. The Douay Version, an early Catholic version, was translated from the Vulgate. Criticisms of the KJV do not have to do with it having been translated twice, but rather with improvements in the quality of the texts of the original versions in the past four centuries and improvements in the scholarship used in support of good translation. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

No, there are those who know that KJV is best. --78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a question or comment about improving any particular article? If so, any questions can go on the appropriate article talk page. General discussion that is not applicable to articles is not necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

General discussion, you mean here or on the talk page? --78.156.109.166 (talk) 09:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

• The OP's contribution history is currently under scrutiny at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User: 78.156.109.166. It may be best to just overlook this for now. Rgrds. --64.85.214.127 (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Maria Esperanza de Bianchini

ESta organozacion es una presunta estafa que se esta investigando y hay miembros de esta socidad que estan en busca y captura por estafa de 1,000 0000.00 de euros todo lo referente a esta organizacion es un montaje para blanquear dinero tienen dos organizaciones y varias cuentas de bancos

saludos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.2.210.16 (talk) 10:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You should read WP:COI. Your request is probably best handled at WP:RA -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Distinguish in Dutch???

Hello!

Can anybody tell me which is the Template:Distinguish for Dutch language? {{Onderscheid|SOMETHING}} does not work (it says Er bestaat nog geen sjabloon met de naam "Sjabloon:Onderscheid"), and there is no Dutch language option for this template in the main article. Thanks in advance!Olga Radchuk (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Different languages have different practices and templates so there is often no direct equivalent. Maybe nl:Sjabloon:Zie artikel or another at nl:Categorie:Wikipedia:Sjablonen doorverwijzing works for your purpose. Or look for help at nl:Help:Doorverwijzen. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Barton–Zard synthesis link problems

Hello again ! I was wondering why Barton–Zard synthesis copied-and-pasted goes to the right page, but Barton-Zard synthesis doesn't ? They look the same to me. --Smjerś (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

They look different to me. Barton–Zard has a longer hyphen (or whatever it is) than Barton-Zard. Maproom (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I've now created a redirect for the latter, on the assumption that the former (with a dash rather than a hyphen) is the correct way of rendering it.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. How do I type the longer dash ? --Smjerś (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I usually use ALT-0150 but you can also copy-paste it (sometimes that's quicker) or select it from the symbol set above the edit pane. The en-dash (rather than the em-dash) is normally the one to use.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Image in Squaresville

Hi, I've added images to the site before, and it's always been a fairly trivial process, but for some reason, I can't seem to get the image I've added to squaresville to display. What am I doing wrong?

Roguebluejay (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You had ":File:" instead of "File:". The initial colon tells the software to display a link to the image page instead of displaying the image itself. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded a smaller version of the file to comply with the requirements of WP:NFCC.--ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Poramadulla Central College

Dear sir

I'm writing this to you to complain about deletion of this article. Poramadulla Central College We created that article about a school,and of course it's funded by government. So we didn't create it for advertising or something like that. We just wanted to let the people know about our school. Because in Sri Lanka many other schools have article about them. So please think another once about your decision and kindly consider about restoring our article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.157.192.107 (talk) 14:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Intention doesn't really matter, it is the tone that is important. However, We just wanted to let the people know about our school is promotion even though it may not be commercial advertising. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND if you wish, but I doubt you will be successful.--ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

We try very hard to have articles about all colleges and secondary schools out there; but the article that was here was hopelessly promotional, and a fat chunk of it was not even in English. I can't even go to the website (which is a .com, not a .edu) to get information for a sound article start, because my computer says it contains malware of some kind. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I checked out the website and it seems legit. I started making my own article on Poramadulla Central College. Hopefully this should help clear confusion on what these articles should look like. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Futile

What does Futil mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.37.210 (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

"Futile" means something that won't work. An action is futile if it has no chance of producing the intended result. Looie496 (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

See also wiktionary:futile in our sister project, a dictionary. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Describing sexual preferences

Often when looking up info on people, I'll see where Wikipedia says "....is openly gay" Yet I've not seen one situation where Wikipedia says ".....is openly heterosexual". Why the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.121.18.253 (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It depends on what reliable sources say about people. See, WP:V, WP:BLP and WP:Notability. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, heterosexuality is the default, so it doesn't usually need to be stated explicitly. Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Off topic discussion

If you are a straight white male, you have nothing to be proud of and it shouldn't be mentioned. If you point out the fact that you are any of those things, you are homophobic, racist, and sexist. Just stay quiet. It's not worth arguing around here. --Onorem (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC) My sarcasm detector is off the charts. Seriously though, take off the tin-foil hat. There's no liberal conspiracy round here. — Richard BB 16:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC) I was obviously exaggerating, but in general stand by what I said...and look, now it's hatted. --Onorem (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC) So much for "men without hats". If you stop and think about it, being "proud" of anything you had nothing to do with, such as your genetics, is rather silly. And if you buy into the notion that sexual orientation is genetic, then being "proud" (or for that matter "not proud") makes about as much logical sense as being proud of being right-handed (or left-handed). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

@152.121.18.253: Having looked at few examples of "...is openly gay", I'd say that there are many instances where the phrase "openly gay" probably doesn't belong in the article's lead sentence any more than Marilyn Monroe's hair color or bust measurement would belong in her lead sentence. However, if the person's sexuality received media attention, or if the person achieved some notoriety for being the first openly gay US President, (for example), that might be worthy of note, in the same way that we note Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

being "openly heterosexual" is rarely, if ever, an important aspect of someones importance, notability or public reaction/reception. being "openly gay" can frequently be an important aspect, although it is likely only in fairly rare occasions to be important enough to be mentioned in the lead. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I would say that there are a *few* places where heterosexuality would be of interest enough to be mentioned, in situations where the assumption would be that they aren't heterosexual. The first few that would come to mind is a heterosexual male professional drag queen (say a RuPaul's Drag Race Contestant) or someone whose notability was that they were president of a Gay/Lesbian focused Political Action Committee (say Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance) or something similar.Naraht (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a good point! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Some politicians run as openly heterosexual, but they were usually third place finishers who do not have Wikipedia articles so such information can't make its way into Wikipedia. Opinion writers also use "openly heterosexual" to characterize others, which usually is not sufficient to use in Wikipedia. (This is an interesting use of the term). One relevant usage to "openly heterosexual" now is in the Lou Reed article. -- Jreferee (talk) 21:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Checking Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (田仲一成)

How do I check the Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (ja:田仲一成)? (Often articles mentioning him state his name as "Tanaka Issei"). Should I do Google Scholar? What level of hits would show his notability? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

That's a question that I too would like to know the answer to. But if it comes to a deletion discussion (and if he is someone who wrote about leptin) I think that an article with over a thousand cites is likely to be pretty conclusive evidence of notability even if he was not the principal author. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (music)

I want to say this dont apply all country. And it not fair that everyone had to be like MJ so notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shujuan5210 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's concert is an example of notability. It doesn't say everyone has to be like that. CTF83! 20:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)