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February 1

The Winx Club article has been replaced by animaniacs can someone fix this?

When you search for the Winx club cartoon on Wikipedia it shows animaniacs instead. I think this is a bug. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.243.204 (talk) 00:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Done Looks like this edit made the replacement. It's been fixed now. --McDoobAU93 00:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This was vandalism where someone replaced the content of Winx Club with Animaniacs. I restored it to the last proper version. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 00:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Natalie Dee deserves her own page

Currently, your entry for "Natalie Dee" redirects to "Married to the Sea." This is clearly an error, or possibly an act of vandalism, as Natalie Dee has been creating webcomics long before Married to the Sea existed, independently of Drew Toothpaste, etc. Please see The Rumpus' interview for proof, and additional factoids: http://therumpus.net/2013/01/the-rumpus-interview-with-natalie-dee/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.74.189 (talk • contribs)

If you can provide enough reliable source to show she meets WP:Bio then a page could be created. CTF83! 06:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Wiki University

While reading a bit on John Maynard Keynes and his economic theories, I had a thought.

What about a a Wiki University. No buildings, No proffs, or football teams, no tuition increases (just a small membership and a Diploma donation) Designed by a slew of half your writers and reviewed by a slew of the other half of your other writers. (See The Great Lectures CD series.)

Publish a curriculum (comprised of a list of links to Wikipedia articles) for the four years of a typical college. Some promotion to get the ball started and some testimonials of acceptance by some community "name" luminaries. Good Luck with this, if you want to try it.

No payment or rights to be retained by me, who's name you don't even know anyway.

-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.253.183 (talk) 06:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

[Removed leading space and line-break, and added header for readability]

Hmmm, ... sounds like Wikiversity.   ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Anthony hickox

Hey guys,

im a big fan. but someone keeps mucking about with my page...adding idiotic vandalism like my last film was 'Viagra' (ha,ha!). And other nonsense. But the mist annoying thing is they keep changing my bday. Im not an actor so i really dont care. But its kind of annoying because im aries not aquarious!) Just so you know...my actual birthday is APRIL 30 1964. Happy to send a photo of my passport.

Some one already corrected the film name. Im going to put the right birthday today (the day after you have my fake bday!)...can you please try and catch anyone who trys to change it after today because it wont be me!

Thanks, 76.208.128.174 (talk) 06:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC) Anthony Hickox

I have removed the birthday from Anthony Hickox because it is unreferenced. Unfortunately the whole page is unreferenced - which means that strictly the page does not establish that AH is notable and it is liable to deletion. If you are AH, please read WP:COI: the way you can best improve the page would be to provide reliable sources, independent of you for the information on the page, and put them on its talk page, where uninvolved editors can add them to the page. --ColinFine (talk) 08:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I could not confirm either "April 30" or "1964" from a Wikipedia Reliable Source. The next time you are interviewed, mention that you were born on April 30, 1964. If your birthdate is published in a Wikipedia Reliable Source, we can then add it to the article. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I need help with a complicated book citation

I'm having a hard time getting a complicated instance of {{cite book}} correct. I'm trying to cite one chapter in a book. The chapter has one author while the book has three editors. I'm citing an online version of the book, this is the chapter - http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511730030&cid=CBO9780511730030A027&tabName=Chapter Roger (talk) 07:52, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to add a parameter such as |chapter_author = to {{Cite book}}, if this chapter is not a standalone work. Is this chapter a standalone work? If yes, then it should probably be cited using {{Citation}} and specifying the book using the work parameter. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Use the editor (for book's editors) and author (for the chapter's authors) field (IIRC, this is how the "author" parameter should be used in this instance). An example of how this renders (with one editor) can be found at History of deaf education in the United States#cite note-crouch25-2. - Purplewowies (talk) 09:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope this is correct - {{cite book |last=Stough |first=Laura M. |editor1-first=Yuval |editor1-last=Neria |editor2-first=Sandro |editor2-last=Galea |editor3-first=Fran H. |editor3-last=Norris |title=Mental Health and Disasters |publisher=Cambridge University Press |date=2009 |pages=264–276 |chapter=Chapter 15: The Effects of Disaster on the Mental Health of Individuals with Disabilities |doi=10.1017/CBO9780511730030.015 |isbn=9780511730030 }}

The output is - Stough, Laura M. (2009). "Chapter 15: The Effects of Disaster on the Mental Health of Individuals with Disabilities". In Neria, Yuval; Galea, Sandro; Norris, Fran H. (eds.). Mental Health and Disasters. Cambridge University Press. pp. 264–276. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511730030.015. ISBN 9780511730030. Please point out any errors. Roger (talk) 10:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Roger has it correct. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Dana Perino

Error on her page. Colorado State University is in Fort Collins, Colorado. The article erroneously lists it in Pueblo.

Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.33.174 (talk) 08:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be more complex than that, and from what I can figure out, our article is correct. We have an article on Colorado State University, which is indeed in Fort Collins - but we also have an article on Colorado State University–Pueblo, which, as it's name suggests, is in Pueblo. Our article says that Perino graduated from the latter in 1994. To confuse matters further, at the time Perino graduated, the Pueblo institution was known as University of Southern Colorado - changing to its current name in 2003. AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

In that case the biography should list it by the historically correct name University of Southern Colorado and let the redirect take care of delivering the correct article to the reader. Roger (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiMania travel scholarship blurb

When I first saw the big "Apply for a Wikimania 2013 travel scholarship! / Deadline is February 22 / Help with translations!" banner I thought the lack of a visible and clickable [hide] function was a temporary glitch which would soon be corrected but it's still there. I don't want to see that thing on every page I open for the next three weeks. Can it be fixed? (If this was the wrong place to ask, directions to a right one would also be helpful.) – Athaenara ✉ 09:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

You could add #centralNotice {display:none !important;} to User:Athaenara/vector.css. At least that's what I am using to hide all this banner stuff. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Strangely enough I am not seeing any banners even if I am logged out. It might be because I am using AdBlock. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Strange. I opened Wikipedia in Firefox (where I guess AdBlock doesn't do anything) and I don't see any banners there as well. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if this will help, but you might try selecting "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" in your Preferences>Gadgets>Browsing features. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Toshio, thank you - it was generous of you to triple-check the problem I was having!

Uzma, thank you - a few minutes ago, I selected the change you suggested in preferences and bingo! No more blurb! – Athaenara ✉ 04:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Editing & updating information for all Emaar assets on Wikipedia

Hi, I am the Digital Marketing Officer at Emaar Hospitality Group LLC, the wholly owned subsidiary of Dubai-based global property developer Emaar Properties PJSC. Emaar Hospitality Group manages the company’s growing roster of hospitality and leisure projects including The Address Hotels + Resorts, Armani Hotels & Resorts and several other leisure clubs in Dubai.

I have created an account on Wikipedia to update the information on Wikipedia for all our hotels and other key assets. However, I would really appreciate if you could put me onto someone who could guide me as to how I can go about changing the information and adding the official images and video for our hotel.

Kind Regards Priya Ragoowansi The Address Hotels + Resorts (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello Priya. A main problem with Emaar Properties article is that it appears to have been developed as you suggested, which has lead to the article having multiple issues. The purpose of Wikipedia articles are not to convey information about the article topic. If that were the case, then an editor would only need to go to the Emaar Properties website and summarize what they post about themselves. Even better, someone connected to Emaar Properties could write the article because they have good knowledge of Emaar Properties through their connection. That generally is how the rest of the Internet operates and if Wikipedia did the same thing, then Wikipedia would be no different from the rest of the Internet. Wikipedia is different from the rest of the Internet. Instead of using information that was published by those connected to the topic (e.g., those connected to Emaar Properties), Wikipedia prefers using information that was published by those not connected to the topic (e.g., those not connected to Emaar Properties). More important, Wikipedia prefers that editors do not have a conflict of interest with the topic. In your case, you are the Digital Marketing Officer at Emaar Hospitality Group and have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest with the Emaar Hospitality Group/Emaar Properties topic. You are also looking to "update the information on Wikipedia for all our hotels and other key assets," something which is secondary to Wikipedia's goal of publishing a thorough and representative survey of coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. In other words, Wikipedia is interested in presenting what those not connected to a topic are writing about a topic. In short, your request above essentially is opposite of what Wikipedia is about. WP:COI explains how you can go about contributing to Emaar Properties topics (basically post requests on the article talk page to change the article). As for adding the official images and video for your hotel, you can upload those to http://commons.wikimedia.org with proper licensing and sourcing information and those files then can be added to Wikipedia articles. commons.wikimedia.org already has a few Emaar Properties images,[1] and anything you can add to those would be most welcome. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Qanat#Azerbaijan

Good afternoon,

I am writing to you on behalf of the International Organization for Migration (IOM) Mission in Azerbaijan. IOM Azerbaijan has inserted information about kahrizes (aka qanats) in the country under the topic Qanat at Wikipedia on 15 December 2012. When i checked to page on 1 February 2013, Friday (today) I noticed that significant changes had been made i.e. deletion of several sub-chapters, pictures, etc. I would like to know whether I can learn who deleted these as well as how can we secure that the useful information we have included earlier (which we have to reinstate once again) which is highly praised by the Government of Azerbaijan, host country of our Mission, can be protected from deletion by others. I would highly appeciate if you could kindly respond directly to my e-mail address: saktoprak@iom.int. thank you for your kind attention in advance and best regards, Serhan Aktoprak, Officer in Charge, IOM Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.184.238.203 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I recommend you place a message on the talk page associated with Qanat, Talk:Qanat, to discuss this. Please discuss this at talk before restoring the information. You can see what edits were made by whom by clicking the "view history" tab at the top of the article. Looking at the history will enable you to leave a message on the user talk page for the editor(s) who made the change if you wish to talk to them directly. RJFJR (talk) 14:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Serhan. I fear you misunderstand what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia records what reliable sources, independent of a subject have said about the subject, not what people or organisations want to say about themselves. Your organisation has no control over what goes into an article about it: see WP:OWN. You may, and are encouraged to, make a case on the article's talk page, for material which you wish to see included or removed, but you should not normally edit the article yourself, as you have a conflict of interest. In particular, material which is unreferenced, or referenced only from your own publications, should never normally appear in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Image file moved on commons, no longer displays on enwiki

As of earlier today, enwiki articles that attempt to use File:Army flag.gif get just that link instead of the image. This is apparently because the file was moved on Commons to the more descriptive File:Flag of the United States Army (1775).gif. There appears to be a redirect page on Commons, which works when you click on links over there, but it isn't working on enwiki. Does something need to be done? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 14:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

It appears the image was deleted on the English WP system and that doesn't have a redirect. RJFJR (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you ask at WP:BOTREQ whether someone can fix it. I am sure it can easily be fixed via a bot or some other tool such as AWB. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

There are 604 pages that link to it. It seems unreasonable to have to edit all those articles, bot or not. How is an image move supposed to work? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The admin (User talk:Zscout370) who deleted the file says that he believes most uses are via a template that has been updated. It may take a while for the template change to occur on all the uses (I think it depends on the jobqueue.) Once that template change propagates there may be a much smaller number to be edited manually. RJFJR (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

File moving is apparently broken at Commons today. It doesn't work to display the old title if the file was moved recently. It works if it was moved longer ago. Discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#File redirects broken. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

ImageRemovalBot has removed links from the articles instead of moving them to the new name (examples here and here). Fortunately, it seems (from the contrib list) that there were only 23 moves. Other pages were not touched (like United States Armed Forces and Douglas MacArthur. The admin's second-hand response above is confusing. Is there really no support for moving a file at Commons without breaking (and having to manually/bot fix) all the articles that link to it? How is this supposed to work, normally? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

A file move leaves behind a redirect. It's supposed to not matter whether you use the old or new title. Below is a correctly working example with a Commons file that was moved 21 January before the problem began. commons:File:P Album 15 2.jpg was moved to commons:File:Anna Goldsteiner - österreichische Widerstandskämpferin, 1944.jpg.

[[File:P Album 15 2.jpg|50px]] (old title) displays as

[[File:Anna Goldsteiner - österreichische Widerstandskämpferin, 1944.jpg|50px]] (new title) displays as

PrimeHunter (talk) 02:44, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Warren Kinsella

Warren Kinsella (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am Warren. I left a message on the talk page for the entry created about me, but it was deleted - presumably by the person doing the vandalism, Mark Bourrie.

I advised Wikipedia that the entry has been improperly changed in three ways.

1. The entry now reads: 'In December 2006, he revealed on his National Post blog[3] that his firm had been actively supporting the candidacy of new Liberal leader Stéphane Dion. Previously, he supported potential leadership candidate Allan Rock." These two leadership races were many years apart. The change suggests they were simultaneous.

2. The entry now also reads: "In January 2009, Kinsella was revealed as the head of the Liberal Party's election war room but was fired before the election after Kinsella accused an Ottawa restaurant of selling cat meat. Kinsella posted an online video apology to Chinese-Canadians.[9] [10] [11]" I was not fired from this volunteer position. I resigned, as this Globe article states: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/olo-bloodletting-prompts-warren-kinsella-to-ditch-war-room/article4353008/ I have successfully sued others for making this false "fired" allegation. I therefore require that it be deleted and the identifying information of the individual who posted this libel.

My expectation is that it is Mr. Bourrie, who you will see referred to many times on the entry's talk page. He has been banned in the past, but comes back with changed IP addresses.

The most prudent course is to delete the entry (I don't think I am significant enough to deserve one), or to return it to its previous state and then block it from further vandalism.

I do, however, require the information about who posted the libel. Please contact me at the address below to do so.

Sincerely,

Warren Kinsella, LL.B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinsellawarren (talk • contribs) 16:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Usually legal threats are a big no-no in WP. Regards. Gaba p (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

"Wikipedia's policy on defamation is to immediately delete libelous material when it has been identified. If you believe that you are the subject of a libelous statement on Wikipedia, please contact the information team at info-en@wikimedia.org." Maybe that proves to be of help to you. Regards. Gaba p (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

And just so you know, it's strongly against policy to reveal any personal information about an editor; what you can see from the page histories and user pages is the only information we're allowed to give you. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the series of edits made by User:Spoonkymonkey here? The article has been protected since May 2011, and these edits seem to be the only significant edits made since then, this editor seems to have a stable history going back to 2008. I see no reason to see the edits being made in anything other than good faith WP:Assume good faith might be worth a read... Яehevkor ✉ 17:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I had considered putting a vanity flag on this article and suggestion deleting the Lisa Kirbie article that links to it. Instead, I did some Google news research and found the material that I added to it. I will re-work the page if he has a problem with it. I think Mr. Kinsella does not understand that these pages are very easily fixed, and that lawsuit threats don't scare people here or win any friends. Spoonkymonkey (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Kinsella might also want to consider whether he is libeling Mr. Bourrie. I see both of them have engaged in a series of tiresome threats against each other over the years, a dispute that has no place on Wikipedia. I am sorry if Mr. Kinsella did, indeed, quit the Ignatieff campaign and I think we are all happy that Wikipedia is a medium in which errors or contentious material can be easily fixed. I was more than happy to do so. I do advise Mr. Kinsella to WP:Assume good faith and urge him to act with some maturity. I have gone over the page and have tweaked the content to satisfy Mr. Kinsella's objections. I also notice a considerable amount of unsourced material regarding Mr. Kinsella's band. I have removed some of it as being trivial and asked for a citation for some of the rest. I have also done more research on the cat meat incident and it appears that Kinsella's critics seized on something that was, rather stupidly for a so-called spin doctor, said in jest. I have added wording to try to capture that element of the controversy but since it was substantial and has considerable coverage, I think the cat meat incident should stay. I also looked at the "human shrapnel" quote and see it that came from a long-time Liberal, and the wording has been fixed accordingly. Since the "human shrapnel" quote was said well before the cat meat incident, it seems to have a prophetic value. I hope Mr. Kinsella is satisfied with the changes. He may well be right that he does not warrant a Wikipedia entry. I am sure his girlfriend does not. The Kinsella page, however, has been put up for delation several times and the overwhelming consensus has been to keep it and lock it against the type of vandalism that Mr. kinsella claims has happened. I have been on Wikipedia five years without a single block, and I can assure you that I edited the page in good faith. Spoonkymonkey (talk) 18:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

One last thing: Mr. Kinsella's talk page note is from IP 216.191.220.178. If this is a stable IP, then it's clear Mr. Kinsella is a frequent editor of his own Wikipedia page. This is a bit of a no-no: Special:Contributions/216.191.220.178 Spoonkymonkey (talk) 18:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Strategy for editing wikipedia pages for advocacy campaign

I was wondering if anyone knows of a guide or how-to that exists to show non-profit or advocacy groups how to effectively, strategically, and objectively edit wikipedia pages of members of Congress to show how they voted on a bill. What are things to avoid saying, what can you say that is the most condemning while still being polite and accurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.110.246 (talk) 18:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The polite answer is "please go away", but nonetheless, you might find some of what's in WP:PSCOI useful. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Attempting to edit Wikipedia pages to be "condemning" to certain people is against this website's most fundamental principles. I am highly disturbed that anyone would attempt to flamboyantly abuse this encyclopedia in such a manner. No members of advocacy groups should be editing any pages for any sort of gain, in order to skew public opinion, or to defame someone's character. Any IP addresses found making edits in this manner will be blocked to the full extent possible. Further, I will be making an investigation into the IP address that posed this question, and will make any necessary reports to see that this person is not permitted to edit Wikipedia. GlassCobra 20:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

While I agree with the content of what GlassCobra has said, I would like to apologise to the OP for the tone, which I think is bitey. It is clear from the number of questions we get about promotion and advocacy that people unfamiliar with Wikipedia may not be aware how much of a no-no they are. --ColinFine (talk) 00:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Requesting That WLKC-FM "105.7 The River" Gets Its Own Separate Article, Not To Be Re-Directed To The WXRV Article

I'd like to request that WLKC-FM "105.7 The River" gets its own article, not to be re-directed to the WXRV article. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 18:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

There probably aren't a great deal of Wikipedians who know much about WLKC, but I bet you do. Be bold and write that article yourself! Just go here and edit the page. If you need any help doing so, just ask here. --BDD (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

But make sure it satisfies the criteria for notability - basically, that reliable sources independent of it have written about it - or your article will get deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 00:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC)@

Requesting That WHOC AM 1490 from Philadelphia, Mississippi Gets An Article

I'd like to request that WHOC AM 1490 from Philadelphia, Mississippi gets an article. Here's the Radio-Locator.com Page for the station, as well as the WHOC - WWSL website. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 18:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

You can request an articleWP:RA. You'll want to provide some info that shows the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 19:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I think, if every London and New York tube station has a Wikipedia page, so should all commercial radio stations. They're pretty notable.Spoonkymonkey (talk)

What you need to do is find reliable sources which cover the radio station in considerable detail. "What I think" isn't really the basis for site-wide rules at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 21:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Cattail

Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 00:14, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Note below the statement that needs references on cattail - Typha: I have provided additional references that specifically document hybridization of two cattail species (T.latifolia and T. angustifolia). T. angustifolia is considered an introduced species from Europe.

2010 Snow et al SSR markers in hybrid cattail American Journal of Botany.2010.pdf (application/pdf) 870K
Travis etal.2011.Wetlands.pdf (application/pdf) 537K
Travis, Marburger, Windels, Kubatova. 2010.pdf (application/pdf) 610K

"However, an introduced or hybrid species may be contributing to the problem as well.[7]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.83.160.250 (talk) 21:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The place for this is on the article's talk page Talk:Typha. --ColinFine (talk) 00:14, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-unique personal name

What is the purpose of this page? --BDD (talk) 22:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Reporting an account that claims it is operated by multiple individual persons

Karenmharvey is a user that is clearly against Wikipedia policy by straightforwardly claiming to be used by multiple people. I wish to report this to the correct administrators so action can be taken. Where should I go? Thanks, Bensci54 (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, if you read her userpage, this is one Karen M. Harvey, editing on behalf of a constituten project of the MASB. The second paragraph is a description of the other people involved in that project. We have no reason to believe anybody else controls this account; so WP:ROLE is not actually relevant.

That said: the history of COI and agenda-shoving here is pretty rank. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Orange Mike's comments about this being just a single person. If it were controlled by multiple people, it would be best to report it at WP:ANI after discussing it with the user or after the user made it blatantly obvious that it wasn't just one person. Nyttend (talk) 15:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Bricklin Information

Just wanted to add a couple Bricklin items

Couple things for this section

The Last'76 Bricklin produced and owned is in Riverview NB owned by Kevin Campbell (Campbell's Auto's), green in color

The White '75 Bricklin that was in the movie flop Hobo with a Shot Gun is in Memramcook in Storage and belongs to Jay London. (Hollow Farms Auction House) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.176.36.19 (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

If you have independent 3rd-party references for this info, the right place to put it is at Talk:Bricklin SV-1. You might even try adding it to the article yourself. Rojomoke (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)