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June 16

Hungarians in Australia

I refer to the WP article titled " Hungarians in Australia". I noticed a technical problem following 2 addition entries of mine. I did not cause the few irregularities nor can I fix them, hence my reporting of it for correction by the savvy. My latest 1st addition: (Dr. Steven Salamon) and the 2nd addition (mention of his Order of Australia & its post nominal AM as a minor edit that was omitted in the earlier 1st entry) were automatically entered correctly into the names list appearing in the actual Article following the normal Edit process. However, when cross checking the Edit side names against the names appearing in the Article, I noted 2 omissions and 1 out of place referencing that came about automatically. Imre Salusinszky & John Saunders (omissions in the Article but not in the Edit side ) and Gisella Scheinberg (duplication in the Article and also her referencing is tagged to the end of Steven Salamon's in the actual Article. If one attempts to remove this misplaced referencing, the Article automatically omits the full entry for Gisella Scheinberg in the Article. Unfortunately the volunteer response team From whom I sought correction are unable to make the required amendments to the Article. They wrote back : "- If you ask your question on the help desk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HD> someone should be able to help you sort it out". Please help, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attilaurm (talk • contribs) 02:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I see the problem: You have some mismatched <ref>...</ref> tags. A good number of them, actually. You have to take care with those, because they can really bugger things up. Just make sure that you always use both <ref> and </ref>. Never use one without the other, unless it ends in a slash: <ref />. I’ll go through and clean them up now. —Frungi (talk) 04:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

British actress Stepanie Cole

To Whom It May Concern, Just wanted to let you know that Ms. Coles appearance as guest star on " Fresh Fields" is not documented on the wiki reference site for her. Thanks, Becci — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.197.239.252 (talk) 02:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

As you can see, the table in Stephanie Cole only has ten entries, most of which mention significant roles in her career. It's not intended that it be an exhaustive list. If you feel that an appearance in a single episode of a long-running sitcom deserves to be added to the list, feel free to add it in yourself. Rojomoke (talk) 04:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Hatnotes regarding "XXX redirects here"

Is there a way to make a hatnote such as

"f(x)" redirects here. For the band, see f(x) (band).

in the article Function (mathematics) appear only if the user reaches the article over said redirect? One possibility is to make f(x) a disambiguation page, but in most cases a user entering "f(x)" would be looking for Function (mathematics), not for f(x) (band), so "f(x)" should preferably indeed be a redirect. Isheden (talk) 08:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Not possible. A page (or template) cannot know where you came from. — Edokter (talk) — 09:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

reverse discrimination

the article clearly promotes and justifies reverse discrimination against white males because, well, they are white males..........

change it.

unless of course, you are in favor of discrimination against white males.............

which makes you just as bad as as all of the assholes that made this fucking world such a bad place to live in.

I am tired of being a white born male, I think I shall commit suicide, because I am a white male...................................................................................................,,........,,,.,,,,,,,,,,.............

This help desk is here to tell you how to use and edit Wikipedia. In this case the way to use and edit Wikipedia is to discuss your concerns on the article talk page, Talk:Reverse discrimination. —teb728 t c 08:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Popagami

Hello! Popagami has now been in the public domain for over 5 years, yet not anything on Wiki. It has been seen on BBC2's Dragons' Den, named as a Best book for Christmas 2012 in The Independent and now recently was seen at The British Soap Awards 2013 (both awards event and the after party event). Popagami(R) is the registered brand name for Pop-ettes Ltd and Ettes Publishing (Popagami Books). Ettesification(R) is the process by which these designs are made.

See www.popagami.com

http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Popagami-Pack-Philip-Craik/dp/1908651024/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371375435&sr=1-3 http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Popagami-Animal-Activities-Book/dp/1908651008/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371375517&sr=1-1&keywords=popagami

The author of these titles is Philip Craik

Can the following article in About.Com be used on Wiki?

link

Can pages be created for: Popagami Ettesification and the author Philip Craik?

Brian (creator of Popagami - penname Philip Craik) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popagami (talk • contribs) 09:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's notability criteria for books and authors are here: WP:NBOOK and WP:AUTHOR.

WP:Requested articles is the place to ask for a new article if you don't want to write it yourself however I would strongly recommend checking the notability criteria first. CaptRik (talk) 11:49, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

tablette arcos

bonjour pourriez vous me renseignier j ai recus un meail sur ma tablette depuis ce moment je ne sais plus m en servir elle me marque que suite a un meail reçumon pocesseur ç est aretter inopinément je ne sais plus rien faire avec je suis gravement malade pourrier vous m aider pour remettre mon prosesseur enroute merci — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.68.225.159 (talk) 11:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

(Translated by Google - still difficult to interpret) hello could you tell me I have Receipts renseignier a meail on my shelf since then I do not know m use it strikes me that following a meail reçumon pocesseur ç is aretter unexpectedly I do not know how I am with you seriously ill Pourrier help me to put my prosesseur enroute thank you

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. CaptRik (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ceci est la page pour des questions sur l'utilisation de Wikipedia en anglais, c-a-d l'encyclopedie que tous peuvent modifier. Personne ici ne peut vous aider avec votre tablette. Désolé. --ColinFine (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is a link to the French Wikipedia help desk: [1]. Don't know if that's the right place for this particular question, but at least there someone might be able to point in the right direction. RudolfRed (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Things are not helped by the OP's poor spelling and lack of any punctuation. Perhaps a better translation (but still imperfect and some guesswork) would help:

Hello, could you help me. I received an email on my tablet and since that moment I cannot use it. It strikes me that following an email received my processor has stop unexpectedly. I do not know anything to do with it. I am seriously ill. Could you help me fix my processor. Thank you

Astronaut (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

And maybe the product is the Archos tablet. The company has a support site in French. Maybe the OP will have better luck there, but they would need to supply more detail than "an email broke my tablet". Astronaut (talk) 19:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Never ceases to amaze me the number of people who say they are ill when asking for technical help. Astronaut (talk) 19:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Edits in article namespace

Is there any easy/quick way to know how many you have? — Ginsuloft (talk) 14:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Go to your contributions page and then all the way at the bottom is a link to "Edit count" That will break down your edits by namespace. GB fan 14:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

If you want to get your edit count without using the toolserver go to your preferences and then click 'view global user info' this will breakdown your edits by wikimedia project and should work faster as you don't have to leave Wikipedia. Falkirks^Talk 16:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

...but that doesn't distinguish article edits from, say, user page edits. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

There is no "Edit count" link at the bottom of my contributions page, where did it go? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Looking for a talk page template

I remember that there's a talk page template banner that has a message along the words of "For questions about this page, see these editors" or something like that. I have tried to find this template, but neither Wikipedia Search nor Google turn up any results. Does anybody know the name of this template? APerson241 (talk) 14:21, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Could be {{Maintained}} -- John of Reading (talk) 14:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

source

can we add court judgement as source in WP article?TY of ^Walk 16:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

It would depend on the circumstances - but in general, we avoid using such documents, as primary sources often needing interpretation by qualified persons. If you have a specific issue regarding the use of such material, ask at WP:RSN, being sure to provide all the necessary information. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I will say that court documents can and should (in my opinion) be used for basic facts on the case - who was lawyering (if that's a word), for which side, the verdict/outcome, simple things that are black and white. But remember that you cannot give any opinions or derivations from the material, we can only say what's in the source. Charmlet (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Please do not take Charmlet's advice regarding this, if the material in question relates to any living person, as this is contrary to policy. See WP:BLPPRIMARY, "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person". AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I had a hunch I was remembering that wrong. Thanks for the correction. However, things that aren't BLP related, such as dates of trials etc. should be fine to source to court documents, as long as they aren't controversial. It's the same as other primary sources, governed by WP:PRIMARY. Charmlet (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

No, "dates of trials etc" are still covered. They are 'assertions' - and WP:BLP policy doesn't make exceptions for 'non controversial' things. WP:PRIMARY does not apply. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

BLP policy only applies to BLPs. Thus, BLPPRIMARY doesn't apply unless they're used to support BLP claims. The date of a case is not a BLP issue. If it's controversial, defer to non-primary sources, but if it's uncontroversial, a primary source can be used. You miss the part where it specifies that the 'assertions' must be about living people. Charmlet (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

BLP policy does not only apply to BLPs. It applies to any material relating to living persons on Wikipedia, whether in a biography, other article, or indeed on a talk page. I suggest that before you offer further misleading 'help' to others here you familiarise yourself with policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Umm, if you're claiming that a court document may not be used to establish who the parties in the case were, you're the wikilawyer. Problematic use of primary sources consists largely of people making interpretations from the sources. When you use an official court document as evidence that so-and-so was a lawyer in the suit and that the suit was heard on X day, you're simply using common sense, and someone who uses BLPPRIMARY to suppress that kind of thing is preventing you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia. Quoting basic undisputed facts is not a problem, and if you question the accuracy of something that the court document gives as a basic undisputed fact, you need to question the court instead of the editor who used the court's statement. Nyttend (talk) 02:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The policy says what the policy says. As for WP:IAR, it is pointless invoking it for hypotheticals. As I said in my first reply, if TY has a specific issuer regarding this issue, WP:RSN is the place to raise it. Meanwhile, I see no reason to leave misleading statements regarding policy unresponded to. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Then I'll respond to this one as well, as it's misleading. BLPPRIMARY only applies to living person related things. You can't use BLPPRIMARY to say that all primary sources are bad all the time, nor that court documents are bad all the time. Just because it's specified there means that it shouldn't be used for living person related things (which I corrected in my reply). But court documents can and should be used for facts as possible per WP:PRIMARY, the governing ideology over non-BLP primary source usage. Charmlet (talk) 02:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

BLPs when I said it = living persons. I never said it only related to articles. And you know, you didn't refute the basis of my reply - A court date is not something covered by the BLP policy. Nor is location, court circuit/district, etc. For those things, WP:PRIMARY applies. Charmlet (talk) 02:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Producer Article

Hey my name is DeAngelis Marshall, I am a producer in alot of networks. I recently created a user account. Me not being the most internet savy could not understand how to start a article about myself. I wanna create on about me similar to wale or a album page. Thanks [Contact details redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeAngelis000 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:Autobiography before you try to write an article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Image file deletion

Hi, how do I discover whether a particular image file (JPG) ever existed on Wikipedia and, if it existed, why it was deleted? 86.160.210.203 (talk) 19:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Every time I search for an image that doesn't exist it takes me to the upload form. If it was deleted here then there was probably a good reason. You may be best off looking at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page where most images are stored. The only ones that should be hosted here are non-free or copyright protected in the source countries.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

If you know the exact name of the image, you can check the Wikipedia deletion log (Example search) and the Commons deletion log (Example search). -- John of Reading (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Canoe1967, how do you search for an image when you are taken to the upload form? For me that only happens when I click a red file link on a rendered wiki page with code to display the non-existing file. If I use the search form, for example on File:Vmiflag.PNG, then I can click the red link [2] on the search page and see the deletion log. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

That is what I meant. When I click a read link for a .jpg in an article it takes me to the upload form. When red links are clicked for articles they go to the deleted/creation warning page. I never thought to search the deletion logs for .jpgs. I usually just find or create a new one to replace them, assuming they were deleted for good reasons.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Antonescu

ok, cretinilor, Antonescu nu s-a nascut la 15 iunie si nici nu a murit pe 1 uinie, mai studiati istoria si documentele — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0C:302F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:8DFB (talk) 23:16, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

(Google translate) "OK, cretins, Antonescu was born on 15 June and died not one NICU, most studied history and documents"

I think this is a comment about Ion Antonescu - the birth date in our article is different from the one in the Romanian Wikipedia. This may be a confusion about the Gregorian and Julian calendars - see Talk:Ion Antonescu/Archive 7#Date of birth: which calendar?. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)