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March 13

Where do I propose a new Wikipedia feature for discussion?

I have an idea that would improve the encyclopaedia. Where can I submit the idea for appraisal? — O'Dea (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It depends on the idea. It could for example be Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). What is the idea? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. See: Proposal: brief article summaries for Wikilink hovering. — O'Dea (talk) 01:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

University of Toledo College of Law

University of Toledo College of Law

This article has been recently edited and is extremely biased. Please review the changes and restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.180.96 (talk) 00:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Please be more specific and identify which edits or which text concerns you. — O'Dea (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done (probably). I put the ranking info in the section where it belonged and cleaned up some other things. An IP editor removed the rankings by LST, which may or may not be a WP:RS (though it was corroborated by the US News report), and reference to reputation claimed in other blogs – edits which seem reasonable. The article could use some expansion, even if only from the referenced primaries. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

THe right picture won't display in Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012

I am trying to get an image to display in the article, Rape and pregnancy controversies in United States elections, 2012. The picture is from the commons and can be found here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Akin.jpg . Instead of displaying that picture, wikipedia will display this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Akin.jpg . The two files have the same file name, which I am sure is the problem. However, I cannot figure out how to fix it. Casprings (talk) 02:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Those are the exact same URL. What makes you think there are supposed to be two different images? RudolfRed (talk) 02:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I suspect you meant one of your links to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Akin.jpg. If the same file name is uploaded to Commons and the English Wikipedia then the Commons version cannot be displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Both URLs show the same image - a "standard issue" style "Photo; Member of Congress; flag in background". Roger (talk) 09:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Casprings have done a copy-paste-move from Commons to Wikipedia. The Commons file is located here. Maybe Casprings was trying to use the file at commons and since the name problem is occuring she/he couldn't use the file at the article. So Casprings just replaced the file at Wikipedia with the one at commons, which is a totally different one. I have reverted it and requested a file move. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 10:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Well I uploaded the file to the commons, which was the filename as a file on wikipedia. I did try to handle it by updated the file on wikipedia, which now thinking about it was the wrong way. A requested move is what I should of thought about doing. Thanks you for doing that. Casprings (talk) 11:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Move complete. Nikthestunned 13:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

buland darwaza,

how to search regarding information such as,(mythology, on any pollution effects, etc) historical place for example buland darwaza, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.253.29.8 (talk) 07:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid you'll need to be clearer as to your need. Why does the Search box not give you what you need? --ColinFine (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Redlink

In an organization group template, there is a red link when is redirected to a deleted page and there is a reason on the deleted page that (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page), I want to know that should I remove the red link because it is of no use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 08:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Please tell us where this redlink is. Roger (talk) 09:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

In general, if a redlink is to an article which does not exist and probably never will, the link should be removed. If you hope and expect that the article will be created one day, the link may be retained, as motivation for creation of the article. But as Roger says, it's a lot easier to give a helpful answer if we know what the question is about. Maproom (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle not working anymore

Is it just me or are the Twinkle links not showing up for everyone else either? It has just started in the last day or so that when I check the difference between two versions, the rollback AGF/rollback/Vandalism links are gone. Dismas|^(talk) 10:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It isn't working for me either. Last time Twinkle was changed is 8th of this month --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 10:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle is working fine on my end. --Saddhiyama (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The links had disappeared for me for a few hours yesterday, but they seem to be back again today. DeCausa (talk) 12:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

And now they're gone again! What's going on? DeCausa (talk) 20:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Einstein

Hi , In the article for EInstein, in the photo with his matriculation certificate it is stated in the captions:

Einstein's matriculation certificate at the age of 17, showing his final grades from the Aargau Kantonsschule (on a scale of 1-6, with 6 being the best mark).

I think that 1 is the best mark (6 worst)

BR/Eleni — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elfoka (talk • contribs) 11:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

What are your reasons for thinking so? The explanations on the image page explicitly state that 6 is the highest, and the purpose of having this image in the article is that "It shows that, contrary to a widespread myth, Albert Einstein was good at math in high school; note that 6 is the best possible mark." CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 13:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

comment other users

how do I comment other users. ( Justinralphman888 (talk) 12:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC) )

Do you mean commenting TO other users, or ABOUT other users? --Orange Mike | Talk 12:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Justinralphman888. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking but every user has a dedicated talk page that they can be contacted on (just like you have and have been been contacted on). The names of them are always in the form "User talk:Name", and they are often linked through a user's signature (as mine is, which you will see at the end of this post). When you post to a user's talk page, they will see the giant orange banner that you've seen when someone posts to yours, alerting them that they have "new messages". You can also navigate to a user's talk page by clicking on the dropdown toolbox menu on the left hand side of the page while at a user's userpage or contributions, and then clicking on "user contributions". Also, every article and other type of page has a page history where you can see the contributors to it, and the talk page of each can be accessed from there. I hope this answers your question.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I, for one, don't have a "dropdown toolbox menu on the right hand side of the page while at a user's userpage or contributions", but near the top of either of those pages there should be a "Talk" link. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I meant left hand side (corrected). I don't know what skin you're using David, but the link to another user's talk page when at their userpage or contributions is not at the top in either Monobook or Vector.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

That's why I said NEAR the top. The only links above it are the links to my own user page, talk page, sandbox, preferences, contributions, etc. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

We are talking past each other. True, when on a userpage there is also a link to talk near the top of the page, but that is not what I was referring to at all. In Monobook (always displayed) or in Vector (dropdown), there is a menu called "Toolbox" on the right hand side of the page nowhere near the top, underneath the interaction menu, which provides a link for "User contributions" when you are either at a user page or viewing a user's contributions.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

putting pics in infobox

when I put a picture in an infobox it do not save pls help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinralphman888 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Look back at the answer to your earlier question about using the infobox. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:02, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Operation Frequent Wind. Vietnam

My name is Thomas Broderick I served on the USS Midway on Operation Frequent Wind. I have a copy you posted on it. I would like to set the facts straight. As this article is inacurate as hell. There many points left out the real truth needs to come out and I know them. As I saw it all. I worked in combat information center. One of my jobs was a look out on the bridge. Great place to see what happened. And what the Comander in Cheif ordered all ships to do. I know that order and it sucks. So I would like to set the record straight. Report the truth as your article is missing to much that happened. If I need to contact other sailors who also know for you I will. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.242.201.129 (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your service, but I am afraid that Wikipedia is not the place to "set the record straight" based on personal recollections. If you have reliable, third party sources to support your suggested changes to the article, please discuss such changes on the article's talk/discussion page and provide details of those sources.--ukexpat (talk) 15:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you saying that the Wikipedia article is wrong with respect to other published sources (like recognized experts' books, newspapers, etc.), or that Wikipedia as well as those books and newspapers are wrong?
If the former (WP alone is wrong), it would be helpful if you could point out specific issues that are wrong and which published sources corroborate your version of the events.
If the latter (everyone is wrong), you'll need to get someone at a reliable source to investigate. I'd start by contacting military event or history reporters at major news publishers.
Further discussion should go on the article's talk page (Talk:Operation Frequent Wind). Hope this helps. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Please can you tell me how you put information in tables

In the article List of cakes, I tried to move the information about the ingredients of a fondant fancy, which for some reason got into the wrong column in this table - it got into the column on the countries the cakes come from. However, it did not seem to work - it is not there now. Please can you inform how you get information in the correct columns in a table such as this one? Many thanks in advance for any help here. Best wishes, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Tables can be daunting. Have you looked at Help:Table?--ukexpat (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Mary rose

Hello, I draw your attention to the comment that the diving members on the Mary rose we're pulled off the job due to the Falkland Ireland's conflict. This is simply not true as we were sacked off the job by the Mary Rose trust, which considering one of our team designed the cradle was insane and we had done all the underwater engineering.

The trust divers took over and then bent the leg.

Realising they were in trouble they then asked for help from the Navy, they refused!

We were then asked to help, so we cut off the damaged leg and recovered the Hull intact.

Yors faithfully

C J Johnston RE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.49.79 (talk) 17:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I was unable to determine which article you are referring to. In general, content issues such as this are discussed on the article's talk page (click the Talk tab next to the Article tab near the top of the page). You'll need to provide a link to reliable sources that corroborate your statements so that they can be verified by other editors. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This is Mary Rose#Salvage, so the discussion belongs at Talk:Mary Rose. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Anthony Ausgang

My name is Anthony Ausgang, an artist mentioned in nine Wikipedia entries, and a known painter of Low Brow and Pop Surrealism art, possibly best known fort the cover art of the MGMT release "Congratulations". My entry was deleted and any attempts I, or others, have made to create a new entry that conforms to Wikipedia requirements have been refused. Please indicate how I can get my entry reinstated, if I am mentioned in other Wikipedia entries, whay can I not have my own? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausganger (talk • contribs) 17:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It seems from reading Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Ausgang that notability may be reasonably established, but the primary problem that people had was the inherent conflict of interest you have by writing it yourself and some of the sources having either just incidental mentions of you or not being considered reliable and independent (i.e. not written by you). I think if you got an independent editor to write or at least edit the article, and use only independent sources that are specifically about your work, it would probably be acceptable. See Wikipedia:Requested articles. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Smiths Grove, Kentucky history

Smiths Grove, Kentucky

This is my first time attempting anything in Wikipedia other than research, so I apologize if I'm doing it improperly. I have looked at your guideline and FAQ pages, but there is so much to digest and so much technical language, that my head is spinning.

When checking the entries on the Smiths Grove, Kentucky page, I noted that there is no history attached to the town. I'd like to submit a letter written in 1981, that I received from a woman who was born and raised there. She is a distant cousin... we both descend from William Smith, who is believed to be the man that Smiths Grove was named for. She tells in detail much about William Smith, his home (which is pictured on page 209 of Irene Moss Sumpter's book An Album of Early Warren County Landmarks) and his life -- and death. I have photocopies of William Smith's will and a Patillow family Bible belonging to his daughter's family, as well. My great great uncle went to Smiths Grove to research the family history back in the 1920s and obtained these items.

Is this material that I can just submit to your editors as pdf copies? or is it something that I must put into article form and submit under my name? I am a writer and historian... in fact I've written two large books on the history of our current community. Advice would be most appreciated. Paedwards42 (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid none of that material is usable at all. The Verifiability requirement means that only material that has already been published can be used. Put the information in your next book, then we might be able to use it as a source - provided your publisher has a good reputation. Roger (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Book creator links gone?

Title says it all ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.36.197.70 (talk) 19:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

If you are experiencing a malfunction with the site it could be a software bug, try posting at Village Pump (Technical). CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 23:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The book creator button ??

--Modymyth (talk) 19:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)'''The book creator button suddenly disappeared on my wiki !! i need help how to show it again !'''

See reply in section directly above. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 23:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Avoiding Disambiguation Pages

I have added "Sean Williams" to the page "List of people from Berkeley, California". However when clicking on the link it directs to the "Sean Williams" disambiguation page.

The very next listing is for "Pete Wilson" the former governor of California. When you click on that link it takes you directly to the correct page.

The problem is that, in edit mode, I cannot see the difference in the two. Why is it that one goes to the proper page but the other goes to a disambiguation page, and how do I change the entry for Sean Williams (Professor of Ethnomusicology) so that it goes to her page and not to the disambiguation page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Air4ce (talk • contribs) 20:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

You add him to the list using a pipe like so: [[Sean Williams (ethnomusicologist)|Sean Williams]], which renders as Sean Williams but links to the correct article.--ukexpat (talk) 20:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

...or just use [[Sean Williams (ethnomusicologist)]] so the user knows which Sean Williams it is, too. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Pope Francis is NOT "non white"

Look at his fricking picture!

I've already posted how you're wrong on Facebook, and getting ready to on G+; I'd suggest correcting ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.184.34.167 (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Where are you seeing "non-white"?--ukexpat (talk) 20:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

(ec) If you see an error in an article, please bring it up on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Also note that it is rather silly to post on places like Facebook that something is wrong, when it is usually corrected (especially with a current issue like that) within literally a few seconds. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Out of context, I'd be pretty surprised if he were "white". More like PeachPuff or Moccasin. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It was only in the article for 5 minutes [1][2] and already removed before you posted here. This is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Silly things are sometimes added but usually removed quickly. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Sajiv Dhawan - is this page beyond hope?

I have been reviewing the article Sajiv Dhawan and I was about to put some tags on it, but I wonder if there is enough usable content after all I would remove. Should I just nominate it for deletion? It appears from his references that his opinion is being sought as a stock expert, but I don't know enough about that type of thing to know if he is notable, so I am seeking a second opinion. He has taken time to put his article in the proper format with lead, sections and references. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I think best you can do is cut it back to short stub. Most of it is irredeemably promotional.--ukexpat (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

So irredeemable in fact that it has been speedily deleted.--ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Linking two articles in different languages

How can I link two articles as the translations of each other if they are created independent from each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ümit Mersinli (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

You mean in different language Wikipedias? You use interlanguage links.--ukexpat (talk) 20:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

California Legal Document Assistant Definition Page

Please note that the last two external links are to a business and are in violation of Wikipedia rules. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.241.15 (talk) 21:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I counted three, not two. And they contained unpaired braces – casting doubt on the precision of these legal types. Anyway, I have deleted them all. Maproom (talk) 22:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Tan Son Nhut Air Base

Header added --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I am a frequent visitor to Wikipedia and have seen and routinely ignored factual errors in wikipedia articles, but today I decided that my approach is wrong and entered an [edit] link to try and correct a photo caption I knew was incorrect. I did not have to join the group to mess this up. Unfortunately, the incorrect text was not just the caption, but replaced the photo with my text while leaving the incorrect caption unchanged. The photo now gone, I tried to 're-link' it and leave things as they were, but that only repleced my caption with the link text, which now is part of the paragraph that the photo was intended to illustrate. OUCH! I still would like to correct that blunder, but don't know how - and had to jump through a few hoops to reach this part of the site so I can ask for help.

My knowledge of the subject matter is good, and I could really be useful, but not if all I accomplish is to screw things up. When I see a caption that is incorrec, how can I fix it? Most importantly, how can I fix the artticle I've messed up?

Regards, -Alex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendyna (talk • contribs) 22:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Alex. I've added a header to your question, to separate it from the previous one.

The good news is that you don't need to worry about screwing the article up: old versions are always kept, so I've just reverted the article to before your changes (I see that you did some changes anonymously, and then logged in and did some more: I didn't realise that at first).

The answer to your particular problem is that the bit between '[[File:' and the first '|' must be the exact name of the photo in Wikipedia or commons: word spaces, capital letters, punctuation and all, If you change anything in it, then the software won't find the photo at all (or conceivably will find a different photo, if there happen to be two with such similar names). You may not put a URL (ie the http:// stuff) inside the '[['.

The caption is the bit after 'thumb|', and you can edit that freely (though strictly any information in it that is not purely descriptive of the picture should be referenced).

If you think that the filename of the picture is wrong or misleading, to correct that you will have to go to the picture in Commons and request a move; then when the move has happened, change the filename in the article. But the filename doesn't appear to the casual reader at all, so it may not be worth doing this. --ColinFine (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)