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March 5

How do I save a book?

how do i save a book i create using "create books"? how do i retrieve a saved book? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagshah (talk • contribs) 03:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

You can only save books when your account is autoconfirmed or confirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

request table editor help

Please import the lists of winners from these pages below into sortable tables within the article on Visa Championshops

http://usagym.org/pages/pressbox/history/nationalchamps_men.html

and

http://usagym.org/pages/pressbox/history/nationalchamps_women.html

Note, there is some trickiness: around 1962-1969 were dual winners. Also, there are some missing fields.

note, I read through the Wiki lists copyrights guidance and these sorts of sports lists are not copyrightable. (Besides your table will make it look better).

TCO (talk) 23:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC) (bump)

My contribution to Television Pilots

I received an email stating that my contribution was for advertising purposes. I added information on the external links section that already listed several businesses that sell old pilots. Why is mine considered self promotion and not theirs? I only added a link because we are offering 24 hrs of FREE access to our streaming video collection of old pilots, (130 of which have never been aired before) and thought your readers would find this interesting. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. This was my first edit and was done with good intentions. I would like you to put my contribution back in. Thanks, Philipjgroves (talk) 05:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I have pruned some of other external links.--ukexpat (talk) 05:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

how to create an autobiography, if i feel that i fulfill the basic criteria of notability

Can u please tell me that how can i create an autobigraphy. I have read about the basic criteria and i fulfill that criteria. I have more than 10 International publications form UK, USA, Canada, Singapore, Oman, India.

-- Thanks Tahseen Arshi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.72.21.42 (talk) 05:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC) \

Short answer, please don't, see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. If you are notable someone will write an article about you eventually. There is no deadline.--ukexpat (talk) 05:32, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Official company profile of Quam Limited

On behalf of Quam Limited (SEHK: 952.HK), we would like to update the corporate profile to shows our latest businesses and development. However, there are several edits from your team about the previous info (including the former company name, money lending business, etc). Please let us know what we can post on Wiki.

Many thanks.

Quam Limited was deleted because the article (not a "profile" - this is an encyclopedia not a company directory) failed to assert the subject's importance or significance. Roger (talk) 07:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Please see notability guidelines and conflict of interest. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

And company-specific guidelines at WP:CORP.--ukexpat (talk) 13:43, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes at Line 2 (Metro Bilbao)

Starts with 2 infoboxes side by side. Doesn't look right to me per WP:LAYOUT, but tinkering with the boxes I can't get the main one to move to the right. Can someone fix? Valenciano (talk) 07:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing you remove the " left" from "wikitable left", but I'll not that Line 1 is similarly formatted. I'd discuss the layout on the talk page before doing anything. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried that, as well as changing it to "wikitable right" and also simply merging the two boxes, but none of that worked. The layout simply doesn't look right to me, the infoboxes should be at the right as they are on most other articles. Valenciano (talk) 08:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Note that is should be consistent with Line 1 (Metro Bilbao). Maybe you should discuss with folks at: WikiProject Trains ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 16:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC):~

In class="wikitable left", wikitable is a defined class that styles the table, but left is undefined so it doesn't do anything. The first table uses infobox, which is what is making it float left. AS to whether this is supposed to work this way, I don't know. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Chat

I am on a IRC-wikipedia chat (da) with two annoying trolls, that are insult the other users. Who can kick them from the chat? --89.249.2.53 (talk) 09:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to be a question about Wikipedia. Contact the moderator for the chat, if any. David Spector (talk) 12:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

sorry but i ruined an article

i edited an article, but i ruined it because i put some things in the article that didn't belong in the article and no one fixed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.84.210 (talk) 10:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

An editor has already reverted it. Rojomoke (talk) 10:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

how to make the title and intro paragraph sit above the contents box

--Scabd buchanan (talk) 10:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC) Sorry to trouble you but I just don't understand how to make the title and intro paragraph sit above the contents box in article User:Scabd buchanan/Clan Buchanan Heraldry page. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Steve Buchanan

I fixed it by removing the top level heading you had inserted. The Contents box is automaticay inserted above the first section heading. The lead of an article never has a heading as such - the page title is automatically used as the heading once the article is in mainspace. Roger (talk) 10:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Article help

I just wanted to make sure that I did that correctly and that you guys have received it. It said at the bottom of the page that it is waiting to be reviewed. Do you have to have your article reviewed before it going live? When and how will I know if the article gets accepted into wikipedia? I also had some questions about photos. I wanted to add some photos to my article that would be extremely beneficial to the piece and I am confused what pictures I am legally allowed to use. Am I allowed to use googled pictures of her if I attribute them to the source where I got them from? Thank for all your help. Hope to hear back from you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.72.20 (talk) 12:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. First, your account is only showing this one edit - did you submit the submission from another account or IP? If that is the case, please post the link to the article here. Mdann52 (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

leon lissek

Leon Lissek (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

just to say that leon lissek is alive and well living in england, and he is not 85 or 86, but just turned 75, i know this as i visited him just over 1 year ago, and he is retired nowdays he is my uncle, ty david — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.56.208 (talk) 12:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

We can't change info just because you say so. Please provide us with a reliable source. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 13:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

We can (and in fact must) remove it if the disputed information in the article is unsourced. I have just done so. Roger (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Copyright message confusuing

I created a Wiki Article for my mother, Rizwana Anwer, the article has been placed in speedy deletion??? how can I fix this issue? I don't understand, all the content I posted belongs to me and my mother, I have her consent for creating the site for her what should I do??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faraz3030 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

It was deleted because it was a copyright violation, that is, a literal copy of material which is subject to copyright. Unfortunately we cannot accept your word that you have permission to use the text, because we have no way of knowing who you are, or whether the copyright owner has told you anything. There is a mechanism by which copyright owners can donate copyright materials to Wikipedia, and your mother may carry out that process if she wishes, and if she is the copyright holder; but we call the process "donation", because once you have done so, you no longer have control over who uses the material for what purpose.

However, it is almost never worth trying to use text from a person's own website for a Wikipedia article about them, because it is unlikely to be written in a sufficiently neutral tone. You should also be aware of the notability requirements for Wikipedia articles, and of the limitation on those who have a conflict of interest, such as yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Citations in list articles

In a list type of article, if I make a claim that is cited in the linked article, do I need to cite that claim in the list article again using the same source or is a wikilink to the article enough? The case at hand is this draft of mine. Do I need to source the claim that U Aquarii is a Thorne–Żytkow object or is it sufficient that this is in Thorne–Żytkow object? (That article doesn't name U Aquarii explicitly, though). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Each article stands on its own and requires its own sourcing. By placing a a citation we tell the reader, with immediacy, "X fact is verified through Y source". By wikilinking to another article all we are saying is "this is another existing article which you can look at" and imply nothing about any fact in the article being verified through the other, which they would have no way to guess at. Meanwhile, even if this did imply such attenuated sourcing-at-a-remote, such a scheme would be unmaintainable. Under it, each time an article was deleted containing a sourced fact, a sourced fact was removed from an article for whatever reason, or its content merged somewhere else, any connection to it from another that used it as a remote source of verification-of-facts-by-linking, would either vanish or break, and to fix that, everyone would magically need to know the deleted/changed/merged-out article also sourced another article by a wikilink, and to go update that one by placing the deleted sourcing it it, or pointing the wikilink to the new location of the content. It would be impossible.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Mmh, thanks, that is okay then, as I already included the citation. Now I am at least sufficiently convinced that this is not an unintended redundancy.

Btw. I love the 5th sentence in your reply. :) -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Be sure to take a deep breath before reading aloud!  ;)  — Preceding snarky comment added by 74.60.29.141 (talk) 16:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

(With apologies to the author) I dare anyone else to find the single-letter typo in that sentence. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

There is extensive discussion here. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Help needed with lengthy footnote

Resolved

I've done a major overhaul of the article 1939 New York World's Fair, which worked out well. However, I ran into trouble when trying to move a lengthy quotation to a footnote from here: 1939 New York World's Fair#Lama Temple girlie show. I tried to find some information on using {{#tag:ref||group="nb"|name=""}}, but just can't get it to work. Can you point out what the problem is? Reify-tech (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

{{refn}} use {{#tag:ref||group="nb"|name=""}} but is easier to figure out. But you probably don't need it. If you are doing an explanatory note, then you want {{efn}} / {{notelist}}. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. {{efn}} / {{notelist}} did the job. Reify-tech (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Bible template

Resolved

Somewhere there is a template for Bible verses, but I can't seem to be able to find it (I know its there, I've come across it before). ~Thanks, ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you looking for a template to cite the bible verse, or one to display a quote, or one that lists certain verses? UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 15:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The one that I've come across yields results similar to: Luke 2:41 [NIV] — But perhaps without external link icon, and/or different source? 74.60.29.141 (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

That would be Template:Bibleref. Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!  — Preceding grateful comment added by 74.60.29.141 (talk) 16:18, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Changing Username

Hello,

Does anyone know how to change "User:XXXXXXXX" to something like this below?:

Current Name: User:BlacksheepIII

Desired Name: User: Artie Search: XXXX XXX XXXX

If anyone can figure this out, please let me know.

The X's represent Letters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlacksheepIII (talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

You could just abandon your current username and create a new one. Your only contributions so far, apart from this question, have been to your user page; so you could then copy the contents of the old user page to the new account. Maproom (talk) 15:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username is more complex but as Maproom says with only a few edits a new account may work best. Is there a way to 'free up' the old name so others don't have to usurp it if they wish to use it?--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I can't make any sense of your "Desired Name" line: are you talking about moving pages rather than changing user names? --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

This question was posed via email, and answered two days ago. I'm not sure whether the response was missed, or if they were hoping for a different answer.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I have figured out what Blacksheep wants. He has written an article about himself at User:BlacksheepIII, and wants to move it to article space as WOON Wee Teng. I wish people who ask questions here would just say what they want, instead of expecting us to puzzle it out. Maproom (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

BlacksheepIII reply: Sorry for the confusion. I tried creating my account as "Woon Wee Teng", but I can't seem to get into that account anymore as the password is incorrect. It would also be weird of me to write an article and myself. I am just trying to help someone get this page posted. I have no luck at all and I emailed this same question to wiki, but got a response to try using Wiki Help Desk. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.255.117 (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

A few days ago the user was given an explanation of the difference between article titles and user names, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in. This afternoon the user page BlacksheepIII has been moved by the user to article Woon Wee Teng but the article has now been deleted at the user's request. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

National Book Award for Nonfiction not working.

The page National Book Award for Nonfiction will not print. You can make Wikipedia set up the printable version but it will not print. In fact, it makes Firefox hang, saying preparing, preparing, preparing, then hang. I have to close Firefox and try again. It won't properly download as a PDF file, either. All you get is text and the printed text says that there's a problem. Something's wrong in the code for this page.18:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbmagee (talk • contribs)

It works for me in Chrome. Ruslik_Zero 18:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

There are a number of possible causes for this, most of which have nothing to do with Wikipedia. Its quite a big page; I'd try clearing caches (browser and printer) and "when in doubt, reboot". — Preceding uncertain comment added by 74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Srossm2000 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a question that we can help you with?--ukexpat (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Categories in userfied article

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I just userfied User:Hypecal helper/ESS; the article contained some categories. I would think they shouldn't be live while the article is in user space. So I commented them out, but I'm not completely happy with that since it is an additional complication for the new user. Should I even bother to comment them out? I didn't see anything about that on Wikipedia:Userfication. What do others do? — Sebastian 19:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, per WP:USERNOCAT, you should comment them out or add a colon before the word "Category" (Though I see that this one is already a red link). -- John of Reading (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I comment them out with <!-- -->, others use the colon trick.--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I like the colon trick idea! I think I overlooked the specific instructions because they were hidden in a subsection; I will move them to their own section since they apply to all moves. — Sebastian 23:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I would think the colon trick (without comment) has a greater potential to confuse a new user than commenting out and adding a comment. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Crachach article (Crachach)

Discussion moved to Talk:Crachach

WLAN 802.11 US 5 GHz Channels

In the US the FCC rule 15.407 states that 5.15 - 5.25 GHz are for Indoor use Only -- you have the EU as indoor which is correct, the US should be marked the same 'Indoor'.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.88.25.232 (talk) 21:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Which article is this error in? RudolfRed (talk) 00:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)