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September 4

Blumenthal Brothers Chocolate Company

I have tried to post a correction to your listing about Blumenthal Brothers Chocolate Company, which contains several factual errors. I'm in a position to know this because I'm the grandson of the company's founder and used to work there. Both times my correction stayed in place for a few days, then disappeared. Can you help me figure out how to correct the mistakes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedowntown (talk • contribs) 02:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

There are a couple reasons why your edits were removed.

1. We don't put in commentary such as "Here are the reasons why this article is wrong..." followed by our names. If you'd like to discuss the accuracy of the article, please use its talk page at Talk:Blumenthal Brothers Chocolate Company.
2. You didn't list any reliable sources that support your arguments. We need to be able to direct readers to a reliable published source that states just exactly what the article says otherwise our credibility is reduced.
3. Your personal knowledge is not a reliable source. It is considered original research. A reader cannot go look you up in a library or check on you on the Internet.
4. We don't know that you are who you claim to be or that you know what you claim to know. You're just User:Joedowntown. You could be anyone.

I hope this helps explain things around here. And I welcome you to take up your concerns on the talk page of the article. Dismas|^(talk) 03:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

create a page

Hello, I am new to this, sorry for this question. I would like to create a page on Wikipedia, to reference my company.

I do not see an obvious link for this. Can you help me get started in the right direction? Thanks, Serving Slab 02:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)Serving Slab (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The short answer is that you probably shouldn't add an article for your company. This is due to the fact that you have a clear conflict of interest (WP:COI). Also, in order for a company to have an article here, it must meet the notability requirements (WP:CORP) for corporations. Dismas|^(talk) 02:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

How to add an image from another language wiki

e.g. How can I add this image , taken from the Hebrew Wikipedia, to an article? thanks Ykantor (talk) 02:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't see an image on that page, except for the Wikipedia logo. As far as adding the image to an article in the English Wikipedia, you would have to do one of two things:

1. Upload it here to the English Wikipedia under a suitable license.
2. Upload it to Wikimedia Commons where it can be used on any of the various Wikimedia projects which includes the English Wikipedia. Commons has greater restrictions on which images can be uploaded though. For instance, the image must have a free license.

I'm sorry, I don't read Hebrew though so I can't comment further as to what the best course would be. Dismas|^(talk) 02:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The link on the page goes to [1], so it should be uploaded to commons instead of here. RudolfRed (talk) 06:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Dismas and RudolfRed thank you. I have uploaded the photo to the commons. Why there is a need to differentiate between upload to Wikipedia and to the Commons? Isn't it better to always upload it to the Commons? Ykantor (talk) 08:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is, but Wikipedia accepts media that meet certain non-free content criteria, whereas images on Commons must be freely licensed.--ukexpat (talk) 12:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

It might be useful, that Wikimedia Commons will have 2 classes:

1. the existing depository
2. A depository which contains all the "Wikipedia"s other files , which will be used for Wikipedia purpose only. Ykantor (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Resetting visited links

I use the standard link colours, so pages I have visited change from mid blue to dark blue. This can be confusing, when I visited a page several days previously, as it still appears as dark blue.
Is there a way to reset all the links back to mid-blue? I've tried clearing my cache and Help:Link color doesn't help. Arjayay (talk) 08:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

It depends on which browser you are using. For Internet Explorer it's "Tools/ Internet Options", & delete browsing history. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I am on IE10 - trouble is that solution clears saved passwords and web-form information as well. Arjayay (talk) 09:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

It's a browser history issue. It's the browser that changes the link color based on whether it sees that you've visited the page the link goes to. Check the "To delete browsing history" section here. Dismas|^(talk) 09:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Think I've achieved what I wanted by reducing the browser history period to 3 days. It was on 30 days, causing lots of dark blue links - Thanks to all Arjayay (talk) 12:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

xkcd: Visited. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Use of the subjunctive in articles

There is something that has often puzzled me in US-centric Wikipedia examples. A good example is here. I am concerned only with the grammar, not the content. It reads

In 1968 Louis Perez, a Blumenthal employee, sued the company ...

In 1974 the company would again be taken to court ...

Why "would be"? It actually was taken to court. As a Brit I would have written

In 1974 the company was again taken to court ...

I accept that in an article about a US company, we should follow US grammatical usage. But I do not understand this particular usage, of the subjunctive for things which have really happened. Can someone help me to understand it? Maproom (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

This is nothing to do with anything called subjunctive. It is a use of a tense (not a mood) which is usually referred to as conditional, but here is used as a sort of 'future in the past'. It is common in narrative, as it invites the reader to put themself into the position of the subject of the narrative, experiencing the event in the future and then going through it. (And it is no less common in British use in this way). The question is whether it is appropriate for Wikipedia articles to be using narrative devices like this, or whether they should always use a more matter-of-fact form of expression. --ColinFine (talk) 09:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for matter-of-fact form of expression as it is more encyclopedic.--ukexpat (talk) 12:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

new page for my company (software IT)

i would like to publish a page for my company. will it be removed as advertising? many thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Istoidea (talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes it will be; pages should be created by people who are uninvolved, to avoid conflicts of interest, and only if they satisfy our criteria for notability. For this, your company must be written about in reliable, notable news media, or other publications, amongst other things.  drewmunn  talk  13:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. There is a very good chance that your company article would be deleted on advertising grounds or due to lack of notability. Per WP:COI, Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, creating an article about your own company is strongly discouraged, as it's sometimes not possible for company owners to be objective about their own company. Secondly WP:NOTABILITY policy states: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. We consider evidence from reliable independent sources to gauge this attention." Unless reliable independent sources have taken notice of your company, it's unlikely to be notable.

If you tell me the company name, I could have a quick search for sources myself to give you a judgement call on whether it's likely to be notable or not. Valenciano (talk) 13:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I am guessing it is the one referred to in this diff.--ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The OP has gone ahead and created B-Open, anyway. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Casual Male

The original Casual Male was founded by Fred Carlow and Edward Tucker in about 1970. The current company would not exist in its current form, with the current number of stores and with a focus on XL were it not for them, particularly Mr. Tucker. It started in Sudbury, MA and was later headquartered in Shrewsbury, MA. Due credit should be given to them in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.204.62.14 (talk) 15:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

If you can quote a published reliable source to support the information you propose to add, you can either edit the article yourself or propose changes on the article talk page. A Google search isn't very encouraging, however. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

All of file not uploading

I'm trying to upload a file () which is saved as an svg but when I upload to Wikipedia, the top line of text goes. I am sure that the one I am trying to upload has these, but it doesn't show in the uploaded version. Rcsprinter (talkin' to me?) @ 15:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

This is a caching issue; the current upload does have the text in place, but Wikipedia's running from a cache that still calls the old one. Wait a while (24 hours should do), and it should reappear of its own accord.  drewmunn  talk  16:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't know why it has happened in the first place because I never saved a version of it like that. Graphics expert please! Rcsprinter (shout) @ 21:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't look like a caching issue to me. It appears to be a problem in our automatic svg to png conversion when svg files are displayed. is the uploaded svg file. In all 5 tested browsers it has the curved yellow text "ST. PHILIP HOWARD" at top for me. The file page doesn't display the actual svg file but instead png versions automatically converted from svg by MediaWiki. All images there are missing the top line although it appears in all cases when you click through to the svg version. I don't know enough about svg to say whether the svg file is malformed (in a way many browsers can still read) or the error is in MediaWiki. You could try Wikipedia:SVG help. See the "Common problems" box. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I assumed it would be a caching issue as the image loaded fine when selected from the list, but I see your point. I'll try loading it into Illustrator tomorrow if you haven't solved the issue and seeing whether I can see any errors in the document.  drewmunn  talk  21:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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The file has text along a curve, which the SVG rendering software here doesn't understand; you need to "convert text to paths"... AnonMoos (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Resolute Desk

Someone earlier was asking about this article and i just noticed that there is an embedded link quite far down:

• "A video clip of the desk in production can be viewed at History Company"

Shouldn't that be in the external links, instead of embedded in the article? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if indeed it is appropriate at all.--ukexpat (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

If it's really important, you can use {{external media}} in the section. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

How close is close?

Dear editors: I deleted the plot summary at Mac & Devin Go to High School as a copyright violation of this website. Another editor has replaced it, with a few modifications. I believe that it is still a copyright violation because it is Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. However, I don't have much experience with this and would appreciate advice on whether to drop this, since I just noticed it in passing while working on another task. Or perhaps someone interested could weigh in on the talk page. I have not seen this film. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

As in any situation where there are possible legal implications, we should err on the side of caution IMHO.--ukexpat (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Maps

How do you get to maps and be able to find longitude and latitude of specific places? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.132.120 (talk) 17:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You may want an atlas rather than an encyclopedia. For many places which have Wikipedia articles, the article may well contain the lat/ long in "co-ordinates" parameters, which will allow you to click on them & choose an appropriate map, but if you want to start from a map, then there is a wide range of options linked from Template:GeoTemplate. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly why you're asking this question, but if you want to add coordinates to a Wikipedia article, I recommend going to the GeoLocator tool. You can double-click (and drag) repeatedly on the map to zoom in on the place in question, then place your cursor on the spot you want the coordinates of and Ctrl-click to place the marker at that spot. You can then read the coordinates in both degrees-minutes-seconds and decimal format and use the {{coord}} template to add the coordinates to the article. For more information, see WP:GEO. Deor (talk) 22:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Or go to Google Maps, control-click the spot you want and select "What's here?" from the drop-down menu. It gives you decimal co-ordinates, usually with too much precision for our articles here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Revert new version of image

How to revert a newer version of an image (i.e. someone has uploaded a new version of an image, which I want to revert). What is the simplest way to do it? --Tito☸Dutta 19:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Click the revert button next to the version to which you want to revert, as I have just done at File:Satyanweshi movie poster.jpg. I will also tag the other versions for deletion.--ukexpat (talk) 19:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you. --Tito☸Dutta 19:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Images

I can't figure out how to upload a photo. I've read the tutorials but it's confusing.

I took the photo approximately 40 years ago. How do I indicate copyright? Do all entries go in as thumbnails?

My article is almost ready to be published and I want the photo to go into the Infobox. Do I submit the article first and then does the box appear automatically in the space?

Axsongeorgia (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Axs you should use this. As for the infobox, you can find them here Category:Infobox templates Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of cleaning up the formatting of the draft at User:Axsongeorgia/sandbox and adding the {{Infobox artist}} template.--ukexpat (talk) 20:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

My article hasn't been published

Hello,

My name is Hugo, I am learning how to use wikipedia. I am studying music journalism and I would like to be adding new important music bands . I wrote a small article about a band called "Vienna In Love" but I am not able to publish it. Is something wrong with my article or my edition?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards

Hugo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugo rowland (talk • contribs) 23:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

For starters, it's completely lacking in sources for every single claim made in the article (the band's own website is not a reliable source). There are no citations, no links to reviews, no links to anything about them to show that they meet our standards for articles about bands. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

The original creator of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Vienna In Love removed the box used to submit it for review. I have readded the box but agree that it's currently unsuited for Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Notability (music). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC)