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March 10

The Bangs Sisters, spiritual mediums

In your article about the Bangs sisters spiritual mediums from Chicago, ILL, your story shows two young women standing between two large trees in black dresses. Those two women are not the Bangs sisters, but rather are Helen Kelly and Edna Kelly Bens. They are two sisters from Perry, NY who owned a cottage at Lillydale, NY. They routinely stayed at Lillydale and attended spiritual events, but are not the Bangs sisters. They are my aunts and seeing that your article is incorrect, I am curious where the information came from and where the photo came from. It was used on television last week in a story about mediums and spiritual paintings. Douglas Kelly, Perry, NY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.253.147.85 (talk) 00:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I see you have since removed File:Bangssisters.jpg from Bangs Sisters. It was uploaded by User:Jjozoko. You can attempt contact at User talk:Jjozoko. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

copyright

I was trying to write an article about Erson Zymberi, but the madman bot replied to me that he found the article material on LinkedIn. A have a copyright for this. What to do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.99.46.241 (talk) 00:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Anything that is on LinkedIn is likely not suitable for an encyclopedia entry because it is too promotional in general. It is best to gather information from other sources since LinkedIn is not considered a reliable source. Dismas|^(talk) 00:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Madmanbot was right about that – the content is copied directly from LinkedIn. You could try emailing permission (there's a link on the template the bot placed on your draft), but there's a sort of Catch 22 here: if you are the copyright owner it is likely that you are closely connected to the subject, and thus have a conflict of interest, which means that you should not be writing about him anyway. In any case, even if the content is donated, it would need to be rewritten and supported by independent reliable sources. Your best course might be to wait until Erson Zymberi attracts enough notice that someone else wants to write about him. Sorry if that sounds harsh. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

How do I start (or recommend) a discussion about correcting an apparent error?

To begin with, if I knew what the correct information was, I could simply edit it in, but I don't. I'm asking how to call attention to the error so someone better informed than I can make the change.

I was doing some research that brought me to the wikipage "impossibility", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossibility where I noticed the following:

"however, Joey may still be able to sue for the unjust enrichment of any benefit conferred on Rachel before her house burned down (e.g. if Rachel paid Joey in advance, then the amount of payment might be a compensatory injury)."

Legally, the statement/example in parentheses makes no sense and is not an example of what has gone before. Yes, as stated in the portion immediately before the parens, Joey might be able to sue Rachel for unjust enrichment, but not because she paid him in advance (SHE might be able to sue HIM if he refused to return the unearned advance payment, but not vice versa) and what is a "compensatory injury"?

I don't want to simply delete the parenthetical example, but I have no idea what the author was driving at, and I don't really want to leave the text in this state. Any suggestions on how I should proceed?

Thanks

D.A.Timm (talk) 00:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You would start that discussion at Talk:Impossibility. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, just saw the "talk" tab on the subject and followed it. The same substantive question was asked by someone else a few days ago (but not yet answered). I guess that's the best way to proceed. Thanks! D.A.Timm (talk) 00:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Correction: It was raised not a few days ago, but rather nearly 4 years ago, and still no response that I could see. Am inclined to simply delete the parenthetical; if the author wants something in its place, (s)he can edit it in. D.A.Timm (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes; if somebody has suggested it and there has been no reply, please be bold and do so! --ColinFine (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement! I just did so. D.A.Timm (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Removing material

In the article Operations Management Chuluojun added as Further Reading Ferenc Szidarovszky and Sándor Molnár, Introduction to Matrix Theory: With Applications to Business and Economics, World Scientific Publishing, 2002, which is a book that to even cover the themes dealt with article/discipline: should I just remove it or follow a more codified procedure?(Before someone ask, I already contacted the account, to no avail)Lbertolotti (talk) 00:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, since there is complete silence, I reverted the edit.Lbertolotti (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Language link defaulting to included template

I'm way out of my area of expertise here. I noticed that the page Persija_Jakarta lists multiple language versions, including Bhasa Indonesia ... but that links to id:Templat:Persija_Jakarta instead of id:Persija Jakarta. I dug a bit deeper, and the page on Wikidata [1] is set up okay. However the English-langauge Persija_Jakarta seems to be grabbing the wikidata link in Template:Persija Jakarta (which has it's own Wikidata page [2]/ Not only do I have no idea how to fix this, I don't even know who to tell/ask! Nfitz (talk) 03:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Fixed.[3] The article transcluded a misplaced interlanguage link from Template:Persija Jakarta itself and not from Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:33, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured it was something odd with the Template, but out of my experience. Nfitz (talk) 03:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Citation Bundling with URLS

Resolved

 – Macktheknifeau (talk) 06:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I regularly update article Sydney Derby (A-League), and it has amassed quite a number of citations as a result of needing to prove it's notability repeatedly. There are several lines in the article that each have multiple citations following, I'd like to Bundle these citations to improve article flow, but I'm having trouble finding any sort of template that would let me bundle all the web URls, the CITEBUNDLE page is confusing me as it points to dummy references, has all three types of bundling (I would want to use the bullet point version). Is there any sort of basic guide, or a template that I can use to get this all done easily? Thanks. Macktheknifeau (talk) 05:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You could use {{unordered list}} to create the list of citations. Just include it in the ref tag:

<ref>{{unordered list|citation 1|citation 2|citation 3}}</ref>

Anon126 (talk - contribs) 05:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that worked perfectly. Macktheknifeau (talk) 06:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Ancient Assyrian Homosexuality

This an absolute lie and falsehood. There is absolutely no proof of this article's contents. This should be removed immediately. We as part of the Christian Assyrian Nation will take legal action against Wikipedia for this falsehood perpetrated by anti-Assyrian culprits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthmoves (talk • contribs) 07:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• It is difficult to know what you are complaining about when you don't state what article article you are referring to.
• The ancient Assyrians are different from the modern Assyrian Christians.
• Making a legal threat here will have no effect except to have your account blocked from further editing. Maproom (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably History_of_homosexuality#Ancient_Assyria, which seems rather flimsily sourced. Who is "Greenberg" in note 31? Rojomoke (talk) 08:13, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

taking legal action seems stupid to me (no offense, just my opinion) since the editors who made it hold the license (CC-BY-SA Creative Commons), not wikipedia and you are likely to get banned or blocked, why not just discuss it on the talk page instead of threatening Wikipedia? --Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa¹²³|UPage|_☺★ (talk) 09:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

also forgot, calling an editor an "anti-Assyrian culprits" falls foul under WP:AGF --Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa¹²³|UPage|_☺★ (talk) 09:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

"Greenberg" was added with no specification.[4] Based on Googling it's probably The Construction of Homosexuality by David F. Greenberg. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

OUTDATED ARTICLE ABOUT ME: Jan Egeland

Dear editors,

the article about myself Jan Egeland start up by saying 'Jan Egeland (born 12 September 1957) is a Norwegian politician from the Labour party'. That was correct 1990-96, when I was State Secretary in the Norwegian MFA. The last 18 years I have not been in or linked to any kind of active party politics. best wishes, Jan Egeland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.106.106 (talk) 09:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Article Subject FAQ. I'm glad you asked here on the help page. I'm curious as to how to properly describe you now in the first sentence, since "former Norwegian politician" while accurate, seems inappropriate. Also, the article says 1990-1997 for the time as state secretary.Naraht (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I've changed the lead section slightly to reflect that you're no longer with the Labour Party. You should ask for any further changes at the article's Talk Page. Rojomoke (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

THUG CRY

Hi my name Salomes M. Jackson known as Betty idol and im a writer on Thug Cry (Mastermind) album. Im singing on the hook and i also wrote it. You can contact the label or the producers to verify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.167.176 (talk) 14:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that information in Wikipedia is required to be verifiable from reliably published sources. If you have such a source (such as a major newspaper, or a book from a reliable publisher) which says that you had a part in that album, you are welcome to post to the talk page of whichever article it is that you would like it added to. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Outdated Edit Tutorial page?

On the editing tutorial page:

Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing -- it refers to the "Edit" tab. Everything I see has an "Edit Source" tab. Does this tutorial page need to changed?

Cheers!

Webbie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webistrator (talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

My tab says "Edit". I think the "Edit source" may be only for those brave enough to have opted-in to the "Visual editor" beta? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

and mine says "Edit this page". (i'm not on the visual editor) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:37, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The default for the English Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) is language en, the Vector skin, and no Visual Editor. This is what unregistered users have, and registered users who haven't changed their preferences. It gives an "Edit" tab. Maybe you have enabled VisualEditor at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures, or maybe you saw "Edit source" at another wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Status of user of another Wikipedia

I just wonder if as a user with an acount with the German WP I may just use my user-name here without further ado or if I should get me another acount here.-- 84.44.242.219 (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Unified login for the procedure to get your account unified across all Wikimedia projects and languages. --Jayron32 16:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

If you told us the username then we could say more. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hallo PrimeHunter! I'm Binse in my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.242.219 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 March 2014‎ (UTC)

It isn't clear why you altered PrimeHunter's signature, but I've put it back again. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I see at Special:CentralAuth/Binse that you have now unified your account. This was possible because the English User:Binse created in 2012 is apparently you. You can now log in as Binse at one Wikimedia wiki and will automatically be logged in as Binse when you visit another, except at de.wiktionary and id.wikipedia where the username was registered in 2006 and 2010. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Help. What did I do?

[5] [6] How did I change IP addresses like that? I don't remember even clicking the "Submit" button a second time. And now I'm back on the first IP address, or at least I was when I removed the duplicate request. 2001:18E8:2:28CA:F000:0:0:3A27 (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I've not seen an IP change from IPv6 to IPv4 before, but many IPs are dynamically assigned for the reasons explained in IP address#Uses of dynamic address assignment. This is one of the very good reasons to WP:Create an account as keeping track of your edits across several randomly allocated addresses is almost impossible. It also avoids you being involved in accusations of vandalism, and other problems, which occurred during the time that someone else had been allocated that IP. - Arjayay (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

My question

What is the historical and ideological practice regarding Buddhism, atheism and orthodox Christian faith with the "spirit" of capitalism second most modern studies? Malandrinho (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Please do your own homework.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our aim here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. - Arjayay (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Help with Template:Ranking Movements

Resolved

At 2013–14_Michigan_Wolverines_men's_basketball_team#Rankings and 2013-14_Harvard_Crimson_men's_basketball_team#Rankings the number of weeks showing is different. Thus there will not be room for next weeks rankings at Harvard. Advice please.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I have also asked at Template_talk:Ranking_movements#Help_with_.23_of_weeks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:11, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

If you want a column with heading 19 for Harvard then set poll1lastweek =20 and/or poll2lastweek =20 like poll2lastweek in Michigan Wolverines. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

application

how will you apply for the school, if are outside of the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.60.73.13 (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 20:40, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Translating an existing page

I was wondering what the rules (and steps) are in order to translate an existing page in a language that it has not yet been translated in? I'm unwilling to do the reaseach and citing on my own, but there are quite a few topics that I feel many people would be interested in reading about and do not have access to that information due to language restrictions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Touli84 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:TRANSLATE - the most important thing is ensuring proper credit if you copy content .-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:46, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Who is incharge of purchasing.

My name is Don Holder And I am with Crown dodge in Cleveland Tn. We some how ended up with two Ram 2500 Pickups That are powered by Propain fuel .And we will sell those trucks at a price thats unheard of. and It made me try to yhink of any company out there that may use that kind of trucks in there business.and I have question or two if you would,nt mind calling me my office number is [removed] and my cell number is [removed] thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.242.237 (talk) 21:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Question reformatted; personal information removed AndrewWTaylor (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Messed up header on talk page

Can someone tell me what went wrong here? Where does the unnecessary header come from? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:55, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Note: I generated the message by placing {{subst:User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Article talk page NFCC concerns message|John Rawls.jpg|~~~~}} on the talk page. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

@Equazcion: Could this be related to this issue? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 22:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Also note that this only happens when using the New section tab and not when using Edit. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 22:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking for similar article

• pt:Vogal ou consoante de ligação

Is there anything like this here on "en"? I think that something close to it would be Thematic vowel. Guiwp (talk) 23:16, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

maybe something on here Index of phonetics articles -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Would epenthesis be close? --ColinFine (talk) 00:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I think Interfix is probably the closest we have. Deor (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

ways to contact author

I want to contact, User:MetaBohemian, the author of http://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:2004US_election_map.svg? Per20mollerup (talk) 23:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You could leave a message on their talk page, but their last contribution to English Wikipedia was 2009 [7] (and their last Commons contribution was 2008) so it is likely that they have retired from Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

There is another option. If User:MetaBohemian has set his or her preferences to allow email to be sent, you could use the Email this user function.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)