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March 21

Scarface The World Is Yours

Your Wiki Page regarding video Game Scarface The World Is Yours credits Viken Heineken as additionally voicing the character of Tony Montana. This is untrue. André Sogliuzzo is the only actor credited, and the only actor who actually did the voice of Tony Montana in Scarface The World Is Yours. I should know because I am he. Check the game credits for proof. There is no such actor as Viken Heineken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andresogliuzzo (talk • contribs) 00:12, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't see Viken listed at all. CTF83! 00:22, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

There is no mention of Viken Heineken in Scarface: The World Is Yours. I guess you mean the article Tony Montana where you removed it before posting here. Thanks for fixing that article. If you still see the error on another page here at en.wikipedia.org then please post a link to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

only edit to user page?

What do we do about things like this User:Lakshmi K. Raut - the users only contribution about a year ago was to place a semi-promotional blurb about themselves on their user page? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I say either ignore it, short bios are allowed on user pages WP:UPYES or WP:RfD. CTF83! 00:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I thought userpage deletion was WP:MFD or did I miss something? - Purplewowies (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right. CTF83! 10:12, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

AUTHOR

who is the author? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.205.135.75 (talk) 03:36, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

If you are trying to find the author of a particular article, there are likely several editors who have worked on that article and not one single author. If you're trying to cite a Wikipedia article for a paper that you are writing for a school assignment, there is a "Cite this article" link on the left side menu of every article. For more info, you can read Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Dismas|^(talk) 04:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Overlinking - geographical features

According to WP:OVERLINK, major geographic features and locations should not be linked. Is there anywhere (essay, guideline, etc) where there is a consensus on what this actually means? For example, are the United States and Kyrgyzstan both major geographic features/locations. Hack (talk) 03:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

As with many things here, some context is needed. If you're writing an article about North America, it would be silly not to link United States. But if you're writing the biography of someone and you say that they visited the United States, then it's probably not necessary to link it. It doesn't have any great importance to the subject, so no link is necessary. See what I mean? Dismas|^(talk) 04:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I understand the point you are making but I am trying to find where or how a major geographic feature or location is defined. Hack (talk) 05:12, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It depends entirely on context. In an article about topography in general, it may be worthwhile to link the word mountain. However, in an article about, say New Hampshire, it would not be worthwhile to link the word "mountain" in noting that Mount Washington is the tallest mountain in New Hampshire. It depends on whether you mean "should I link commons words about geographic features like 'mountain' 'lake' 'river' directly" or if you mean "should I like names of specific mountains, lakes, etc. directly". I would say the former should be used sparingly, and only when the context of the article leads to a natural link (for example, linking the word "river" in an article discussing hydrology or water bodies specifically), while the latter should be linked whenever a specific geographic feature is first introduced (for example, in an article like France, it's OK to link the names of specific rivers like Rhone River or the Seine River. --Jayron32 05:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Message on talk page left

Hello, we have left a message on the talk page of [| Hochtief] two days ago. As the last change done to this page dates from 2011 it may be that no one is in charge for reviewing it. Could you please help and take a look at it? Thank you. Kind regards --Hochtief Konzernpressestelle (talk) 08:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I left some advice at your talk page and at the Hochtief article talk. Would anyone at the help desk with knowledge of WP:U please check my comment at User talk:Hochtief Konzernpressestelle. Johnuniq (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Have problems citing sources

I want some stats to put into Chorus_Limited#Copper. I found conflicting stats on the Chorus website, so I emailed their press contact person. I got an answer back that is different from all the stats on the website. I assume the stats the press contact provided are the most up to date ones, but I can't cite it for the article. What can I do? F (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

we cite what is verifiable as published in reliable sources. a personal e-mail to you is not reliable. if after they took the time to communicate with you, they didnt bother to update their website, thats not our issue. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

So I either use the new data and leave it uncited, or I use the old data with citation. So frustrating. F (talk) 13:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

If you're in email contact with them anyway, why not ask that they update the website? Once that's done the article can be updated without concerns that you're replacing sourced data with unsourced. DonIago (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to upload a diagram based on a copyrighted scientific article?

• The article is copyrighted (2004)
• The diagram to be uploaded was drawn by myself, it's not a scan.
• The diagram shows a hierarchy of techniques for solving a problem

I couldn't find a suitable category in the File Upload Wizard. The closest appears to be

This file is entirely my own work. I am the copyright holder. I made this myself, from scratch, without copying or incorporating anybody else's creative work, and I am willing to release it under a free license.

and that's clearly not accurate. Does that really mean we can't show this hierarchy? The copyrightholder didn't invent the techniques, he just made a diagram showing their relationships. Thanks for any clarification. pgr94 (talk) 13:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Pgr94. The answer is: it depends. If the original is sufficiently complex as to constitute an exercise of creative expression, and if you have essentially reproduced it with minor changes, then your version is a derivative - not an original - work, and can't be used here. If the original is not sufficiently complex - for example, if it's just a collection of techniques placed in order, with perhaps a few simple lines connecting them - then it may not constitute an original creative expression, and so would not be subject to copyright; in this case, either your version or the original could be used. If you've based your diagram on the original, but it's significantly different enough to be an original work in itself, then you can use it here under the category you've quoted above. Unfortunately, without seeing the images in question, it's hard to make a call one way or the other. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply Yunshui. It looks similar to this organisational chart [1] obviously with different text. If the text is changed from what appears in the article, then it is no longer accurate. The items can of course be shuffled around. Copyright law is frustrating when it comes to trivial things like this. :( pgr94 (talk) 13:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You can't copyright facts— the usual example is a telephone directory. You can copyright the arrangement or presentation, but org charts are not a creative expression unless you really add something to them. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

How can I disable the notifications?

How can I disable the facebook-like notifications that show as a red number at the top near my user links? Can I choose what to see there, or change the annoying (for me) red color to something prettier? Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 15:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences and select the Notifications tab. You can disable all notifications except for new talkpage messages. No news on whether you can make it a prettier colour, though... Yunshui 雲‍水 15:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Rename my recent new entries

I recently created two new entries for Wikipedia which I named asx-turn and ST-turn. They both belong to the category protein structural motif. Looking at the other names chosen for motifs within the category I now realize that almost everybody else omits dashes from their names. For example "alpha helix" "beta sheet" etc. are not "alpha-helix" and "beta-sheet". This makes me feel, for consistency, I had better ask you to rename my recent new entries "asx turn" and "ST turn". If you will be kind enough to do this and tell me I will then change all the text and link names accordingly. Thanks JamesMilnerWhite — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesMilnerWhite (talk • contribs) 15:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

@JamesMilnerWhite: I don't know anything about protein naming but your account is old enough to rename them yourself. We call it moving. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. It leaves a redirect so links to the old names still work. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Too late! I've just renamed both pages. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Lost all my edits and my curent article

Hello, please help, I'm in despair!

I was blocked through no fault of my own and have been reinstated with a new account in the same name. I have just gone on line to work on an article only to find that it has disappeared together with all my edits. Please help and explain if you can.

Thank you

JOX67 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JOX67 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

What was the article called? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:01, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

As a practical suggestion, I would always make a copy of any new article in your own namespace, say as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JOX67/MyArticle (substitute your own article's name for MyArticle). Unlike a mainspace article, a copy in your own namespace should usually be safe from deletion. StuRat (talk) 16:21, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Users are not "reinstated with a new account in the same name". A block can be lifted and the old account continue editing, or a new account can be created with another name. The account User:JOX67 was created yesterday.[2] It has no live or deleted edits and I can see no sign the account has been blocked. When were the missing edits made? Have you previously edited with another username? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

There's an account JOX1967 (talk · contribs) - could it be that? Peter James (talk) 18:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Seems likely, but that account has never been blocked - I'd hazard that the OP is using "was blocked" to mean "lost the password"... Yunshui 雲‍水 23:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

{reflist}

on the Julius Baer Group page I cannot correct the Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {reflist} template thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudolferik25 (talk • contribs)

in [3] this edit, you added a second {reflist} template in the middle of the article which confused the display readers. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

deletion review

trying to list this file for deletion review, please help, it's not working

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=File:Jeremy_Hammond.jpg

[[:]] ([[|talk]]|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

deleted out of process by administrator User:RHaworth as WP:G12 : Unambiguous copyright infringement of {{{url}}} - Mosfetfaser (talk) 17:14, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

As @RHaworth: explained to you on his talk page, while the phrase "Unambiguous copyright infringement" is slightly misleading, the image is not a free photo and not one that qualifies for a FAIR use claim because the subject is a living person, and therefore under Wikipedia's copyright rules mandate the removal of the image. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You as the nominator for deletion are involved - the fact is I uploaded the file as fair use non free and speedy deletion as a copyright violation was wrong, false , and I am requesting a review of that admins actions/speedy deletion for their claimed false reasons - please format a deletion review for me - Mosfetfaser (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• User:TheRedPenOfDoom "while the phrase "Unambiguous copyright infringement" is slightly misleading" - no it is not, it is a lie - a total falsehood - Mosfetfaser (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Whether notation had said "This is a picture of a person dressed in blue which is illegal to post in every country of the world" or "pghtpagfjsljljke", it would not make the copyright picture of a living person any less against the policies of Wikipedia images and less subject to immediate deletion. The picture does not meet the requirements for use on Wikipedia and will be deleted no matter what the reason the initial deletor placed in the summary. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• looking for assistance here to create a deletion review discussion regarding this file? 18:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosfetfaser (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:Deletion review is probably the avenue you are looking for. Although going by the above it's not likely to get the result you are looking for. Per the non-free content criteria photos of living people are replaceable and not normally permitted. Яehevkor ✉ 18:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You are supposed to fill out the fields like this (there is no xfd_page for the file so that can be blank):

{{subst:drv2
|page=File:Jeremy Hammond.jpg
|xfd_page=
|article=Jeremy Hammond
|reason=(State your reason here)
}} ~~~~

But first see Wikipedia:Non-free content. Wikipedia itself is non-commercial but we allow others to reuse our content, including all images, for commercial purposes. This means we cannot allow images with a license saying they are only for non-commercial use, unless there is a valid fair-use rationale. Claiming there will probably be no free image of a living person for years is unlikely to get support as a valid rationale. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Talk Page attached to article

It's a long story, but in the process of renaming an article and creating disambiguation links, the talk page for Paul Baum (mathematician) has gotten attached to the article Paul Baum (artist) and I can't figure out how to fix it. Renaming does not seem the way to go. WQUlrich (talk) 17:41, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, it just looks like the artist's talk page redirects to the mathematician's, meaning that all we have to do is blank the redirect. Has there ever been a talk page for the artist? If so, its history might need to be restored from somewhere. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

deletion help

Hi, I want to propose 'Sunil Kumar Verma' article for deletion, causes are -not a notable personality, none of references/citation authenticate his notability to be considered for publication on Wikipedia. I don't know how to propose someone for deletion, can you please do that me. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inder neal (talk • contribs) 22:55, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Would you like to propose the deletion or nominate for speedy or regular deletion? Also see WP:Deletion policy. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Town of Atherton, CA page

In the list of Town Council Members, the spelling of Rick DeGolia needs corrected. The "l" is missing. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.149.192 (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Thank you for pointing this out. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 00:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Picture Posted without Permission!

Alright, I'm posting on here cause I keep going in circle's to try and find where to send message about a complaint and it's important and is going here. I was called over by friends of mine as they showed me a picture I took with my old phone in 2009 of my eye while I was in the parking lot of Lowes sitting in the car. My old phone went missing when it wasn't were it was when I left it, so we knew it got stolen and later we tried to have it turned off. Well the girl's eye in this picture here.

File:HumanFemalewithAmberIris.jpg

Is me, and I know for a fact cause the eye shape and color is mine exactly and was not photoshopped in anyway, along with what hair you can see color is exact, the eyebrow shape and color is exact. Also I remember the picture plain as day, but due to the fact it went missing I can not really prove it's me, however I know it is and I'm not happy with it being posted on here and google images especially with someone claiming it as "their work" and saying what camera and such was used. when it's not enhanced, not took with camera only a phone, and is not their work it's MY picture off stolen phone. t might seem ridiculous but with how bad identify theft and stuff is going on, I don't want it on here and I will make sure it's removed cause identity theft and everyone knows Wikipedia isn't a good site to refer to or trust as all, it's why it's not used in schools. So asking kindly, please remove my picture or something to remove it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.195.166 (talk) 23:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Note: The camera is in the metadata, which is something the image added. One is probably not going to go to the lengths to change that data, so if it's not a camera phone model, it's probably not you. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Ekbaros shows two edits by the uploader: [4][5]. She hasn't edited since January 2010 and I don't know whether her stored email address is current but if you create a Wikipedia account with email enabled then you can try to mail her at Special:EmailUser/Ekbaros. If that account logs in and requests the photo is deleted then we can do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

wrong information about Fort Cooper State Park

On your list of Florida State Parks you have that the lake in the Fort Cooper State Park is dried up and did so in 2010. I can tell you that is not true. I work at this park and have since 1994. Although the lake is low it is far from being dried up. Please correct the information on your website. If you have any questions you can contact me at [redacted].

Sincerely, Dianne Drye Park Ranger at Fort Cooper State Park — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.58.237.201 (talk) 23:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

We prefer published sources. The lake is shown at [6][7][8] so I will remove the claim.[9] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2014 (UTC)