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Margietta Voge

Marietta Voge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The link above contains false information about my grandmother (Gusti Stridsberg) and my mother (Marietta Voge).

My grandmother was never a U.S. citizen nor did she ever visit the U.S. She did however go to Russia during the mid-thirties to report on life in Moscow during first 5-year plan. Her articles were published in Der Tag, a Viennese newspaper and elsewhere. She was never a member of the communist party, but she met and associated with many powerful communist party members. Her interest in communism waned considerably after her lover was killed in one of Stalin's purges. During the Spanish Civil War she worked as a nurse and journalist on the side of the Republicans. Thereafter received asylum in Sweden, where she spent the rest of her life. It was in Sweden that she wrote her autobiography, Menschen, Mächte und ich (translated into English as My Five Lives). Intellectual? Yes. Soviet spy? Never.

The assertion that my mother was a soviet agent is laughable! With the help of my father who arranged a visa for her, she fled Europe and arrived in the U.S. without a penny to her name. While my father was serving in the U.S. Army in Europe she worked as a waitress to put herself through school at Berkely, earned a Ph. D. in parasitology and went on to become one of the leading figures in her field.

Both their lives are described at length in my grandmother's autobiography.

Anything you could do to correct this misinformation would be greatly appreciated. 72.234.140.204 (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The proper place to raise this kind of issue is at WP:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard (even though I assume that your grandmother is not still living), not here. However, I will let the editors and admins there know that you have raised the issue here. I have retitled this section to facilitate that. General Ization ^Talk 02:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Two questions: has "[your] grandmother's autobiography" been published (and if so, can you give us bibliographical information), and are there any other documented sources of the information you relate? Unfortunately, we must rely on published sources here, not the beliefs or even first-hand knowledge of individual editors, and the article contains a general reference of the type we would generally regard as a reliable source, published by Yale University Press. Since you are basically attempting to discredit the cited source, we should be able to reference some other reliable source to counter it. General Ization ^Talk 02:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I presume that this is your grandmother's autobiography (translated). It appears to be long out of print. General Ization ^Talk 02:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Some research is being done as a result of the mention of this matter at WP:BLP/N (thanks, Fyddlestix). In the meantime, some of the claims at the article have been removed. It may still be helpful if you can point us to other sources of information about the subject and her mother, as there may not be enough left otherwise to justify having the article at all. General Ization ^Talk 02:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Jiyushugi, I assume that you are the same editor as the IP that posted the request above, since you identified the same relationship to the subject when you attempted to remove information from the article mentioned by the IP. I'm summoning you here to inform you that your request is still being investigated and discussed (on multiple noticeboards, actually [1][2]) and to ask you not to remove content from the article again while this work is ongoing. General Ization ^Talk 14:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Image shapes

Is there a specific policy concerning the favored shape of images (as in rectangular versus oval)? --William S. Saturn (talk) 07:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Maybe I'm being unduly pedantic, but the images used here are all rectangular. The second one in that gallery has whitetransparent corners (and I think it would be more suitable for Wikipedia use if it didn't). Maproom (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

If a user insists on using the oval image, is there a specific policy I can cite to? --William S. Saturn (talk) 08:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Booyzen Family Crest.

I'm looking for the Booyzen Family Crest without any success. Please Help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.167.61.212 (talk) 08:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Is the Booyze crest near enough? Maproom (talk) 09:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The links to references are not getting reflected in the generated pdf as they are in the article on web

Hi all,
When I was creating a new page, it was suggested on the edit page that because not many users watch it, I should consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response. So, here I am in the hope of bringing this issue to the attention of 'i don't know who'.
Thanks. Rishidigital1055 (talk) 09:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Rishidigital1055, this may be a question for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 139#issue with links in generated PDFs - NQ (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Move help

Hi, Can someone move Kirti Nagpure to Keerti Nagpure (the spelling given in the sources) I cannot do this as the target name has previously been deleted, Thanks. GrahamHardy (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The problem is not that target name has previously been deleted. Rather, Keerti Nagpure is "protected from creation" following multiple rejected attempts to create it, and an admin would need to be involved. Maproom (talk) 12:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

How do I get an admin involved (suspect Kirta article was created to get round the problem with Keerta) ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 12:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Please make a request at WP:Requested moves.--ukexpat (talk) 14:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Whistle Grass (talk • contribs) 12:10, 13 August 2015‎ (UTC)

Your question was empty (and unsigned), and your contribution record is empty apart from the question here. Does this relate to a page that you created but has now been deleted? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Presumably John Boyael, now deleted, but I couldn't make sense of what it contained.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Editing someone else's user space draft?

Dear editors: this userspace draft has been nominated for deletion at WP:MFD, but I think it could be made into an article if improved, because I found a lot of references. When dealing with articles listed at WP:AFD, I would normally just start fixing up the article while the discussion is going on, and ask the editors to take another look. Is it acceptable to do this with a draft in someone else's userspace? I usually leave these alone, but this one really needs some TLC.—Anne Delong (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I was going to suggest that you ask the user for permission, but it seems they've been AWOL for quite awhile now. Perhaps you could copy the text to your userspace and then work on it? DonIago (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Don't copy the text to another userspace and then work on it! Copying and pasting the text destroys attribution in the article history! Instead, adopt the draft using the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts and work on it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, those guidelines specifically say not to move the draft while it is under MfD, but don't say whether it's all right to work on it while it's still in a user's space. Fixing it up could change the consensus about whether to keep or delete. And by the way, guys, how many abandoned drafts did I have to rescue before somebody was going to tell me there was a WikiProject for that!!! (expression of frustration, whatever that is these days...)—Anne Delong (talk) 23:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: I rarely invoke this, but I think WP:IAR strongly implies that you should improve the draft article, similar to the norm for articles being considered at WP:AFD. And I think that's true even if the user were still active - it's normally a courtesy to users to leave their draft userpages alone, but in this case, that would be no courtesy at all. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

resuming Carbon Tracker Initiative wiki page

Hello,

I would like to check with you if it is possible to update the Carbon Tracker Initiative page - currently deleted - adding some basic information about the organisation.

The Carbon Tracker Initiative is a non profit independent think tank based in London. The group first coined and mainstreamed the notion of "carbon bubble" which is correctly defined on wikipedia.

However the notion of carbon bubble, which is based on financial analysis, has developed since its first ideation and I also wanted to check if I could update the carbon bubble page and replace the current image with a new one.

Finally would it be possible to resume the Carbon Tracker Initiative wikipedia page?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MargheritaGagliardi (talk • contribs) 15:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@MargheritaGagliardi: Carbon Tracker Initiative is protected from creation, meaning you can't put an article there without the aid of an administrator. A good suggestion is to use the Articles for creation process to build an article in draft space at Draft:Carbon Tracker Initiative and then, when it is acceptable, request for it to be moved to the protected location. In order for any article on the subject to be acceptable, all facts in the article must be sourced to reliable, published sources. Also, the vast majority of the information in the article must come from sources that are independent of the company; i.e. not the company's webpage and not press releases. Lastly, if you are in some way affiliated with the company (like if you work for them), you should probably not be the one to write the article. As for updating the Carbon bubble page, feel free, but again make sure any information you add or update is sourced to a reliable source and make sure your edits are neutral and are not promoting any companies. If you need help with this or feedback or mentoring, feel free to contact me on my talk page. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Read "Deletion help" section on this page. Supdiop (Talk🔹Contribs) 16:13, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

sani mander sardarshahar

i am pandit sunder lal bhargav (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.202.75.153 (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Name Change

I would like to suggest a name change for a page that I did not create. I can not figure it out and it's very frustrating.

The company I work for is Holy Child Academy in Drexel Hill. For some reason, the Academy of the Holy Child, a school that closed in 1973, is being confused with our school, probably because they have the title "Holy Child Academy" when it should be "Academy of the Holy Child", which it is listed as on the rest of the page.

Please correct this, or tell me who to contact to correct it, or give me instructions. It just needs to be fixed. The information is incorrect and it is interfering with our school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HCADrexelHill (talk • contribs) 17:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

How many schools are there with the name of "Holy Child Academy" or "Academy of the Holy Child"? If there is only one of each, I would suggest that each of them be listed under its official name with a hatnote to the other one. If there are more than two schools, then a disambiguation page is in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Mmmm - looking at the history of Holy Child Academy (Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania) it was referred to as Holy Child Academy in the article, until 3 edits ago, when an WP:SPA User:Holychildacademy came and changed the name in the article, without explaining why. The source referred to in the article [3] clearly states it was called the "Holy Child Academy", not "Academy of the Holy Child" - so you appear to be asking for a historically inaccurate change to an article, to suit your employer, which appears that it could be a conflict of interest request. - Arjayay (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh - and your user name appears to conflict with our Username policy as we do not allow "Usernames that unambiguously represent the name of a company, group, institution or product" - Arjayay (talk) 18:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted both of User:Holychildacademy's edits to the article.--ukexpat (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

[Off-topic] We need some consistency, and frankly IMHO some tougher enforcement, of the user name policy. I reported both User:Holychildacademy and User:HCADrexelHill - one gets blocked and the other "is being discussed". I have also had a no-brainer block request resulting from an e-mail to OTRS pending for several days at WP:UAA.--ukexpat (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

They are both sponsored by the same organization, the Sisters of the Holy Child Jesus, but one school was officially called Academy of the Holy Child. The other school, now referred to "Holy Child Academy" was previously called "School of the Holy Child" and when the "Academy of the Holy Child" closed, they later changed the name to "Holy Child Academy" from "School of the Holy Child" for branding purposes. The school(now closed) used Holy Child Academy as a shorter version of it's name. But it's actual title was Academy of the Holy Child. Why the complaint was made was because there is an offical Holy Child Academy now, and it is being confused with "Academy of the Holy Child", both of the same organization, and it's linking to Google that Holy Child Academy is closed in 1973- which it's not, and that it is located in Sharon Hill- which it's not, it's in Drexel Hill. The schools had similar names because one was an elementary and middle school and the other was a high school. I have researched this and know that while it is confusing, and there is a lot of repetition of the words Academy, Holy, and Child in this article, they are two separate entities and there should be some clarification, and they shouldn't link on a google search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthaamadio (talk • contribs) 20:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I would say the place to start would be for someone to create an appropriately-sourced article called Holy Child Academy (Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania) with information about the current school. HCADrexelHill (or whatever username they might choose after ukexpat gets their way ) should not create it due to COI but could certainly assist in the process. Then we can set about doing proper disambiguation, possibly (depending on the existence of other institutions with the name) making the current school primary topic (and potentially dropping Drex Hill, Penn from the name). Right now, there's nothing on the current school to redirect to or from. We don't usually disambiguate from other uses of a similar name that have not been shown to be notable. General Ization ^Talk 20:56, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Major General Rollin B. Moore Jr.

How do I submit a biography of an important person not on Wikipedia currently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B002:CB1E:7815:30D9:640E:2F3C (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia's guidelines on notability suggests that he does warrant an article; and he does not currently have one. This page provides some useful information about him (which should not be copied to Wikipedia, for copyright reasons). But creating an article for Wikipedia. when you've never contributed to Wikipedia before, is quite a daunting task. I would offer to help, but I shall be away from my computer for the next few days. Maybe someone else can help? Maproom (talk) 20:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Maproom is right; there are various resources to help you get started with creating an article (I will post a list on your Talk page), but the best suggestion may be for you to post a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles, where another, experienced editor may be interested in taking this on as a project. General Ization ^Talk 20:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I tend to think of WP:RA as a database, not a place being monitored by editors. So, a different suggestion: Post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military History. But if you do, be sure you include as many reliable sources as you can; the more you include, the more likely someone is to be interested in writing the article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

American Girl outfits

Hi, I am looking for the complete American Girl Bitty Baby outfits. I had the link on my computer several months ago and my computer crashed and now I can't seem to find it. I have searched all of the American Girl info. This was a current list. Thank you for your help with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.42.200 (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I ought to point out that this is the wrong place to ask. But it's easier just to direct you here. Maproom (talk) 20:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I think the OP was looking here for an historical list of the outfits offered over the years, not for a place to purchase the current offerings. There does not appear to be (or have ever been) such a list on Wikipedia, but our article at Bitty Baby includes a link to an external site that might be what the IP recalls. However, the list at the link ends in 2007. General Ization ^Talk 20:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes, the companies that make such collectables will have a historian on staff. Whether that is one of their official titles or not is iffy. When I worked at Vermont Teddy Bear, we directed all such historical inquires to the repair department because the woman who ran it had all the old outfit information in her files. So, the American Girl company might have someone that can help but they may not have the information available online. Long story short, try calling them. Dismas|^(talk) 02:13, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have searched thru all Bitty Baby that is currently on here. I did find the external link that only goes to 2007. They have updated that site to 2014. But, the info that I was referring to which I had used many time (and can no longer find) was current to 2015 was a listing by dated order in which it was available. I will keep looking for it. Thank you for you time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.42.200 (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)