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December 8

Cite button

I appear to have RefToolbar 2.0b but it has no Cite button. If I log out, it then has the Cite button. My Preferences have "enable enhanced editing toolbar" and "enable editing wizards" checked. Screen grab below. I have tried unchecking and re-checking these buttons but the problem still exists.

Thanks,

Phil

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Philmcgrove (talk • contribs) 07:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

This sounds like it might be a question for WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Shambala Animal Kingdom

The page asserts that the zoo move was organised and facilitated by Zoological and Aquarium Association this is totally incorrect it was facilitated and organised by the zoo director and owner me...! Please correct inaccurate content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.96.140 (talk) 11:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Done. See this edit.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

spurious | url= value error

The following cite book gives an error. The culprit is in the domain name (//d.lib.rochester.edu) which contains three periods. Clicking on the link gives the correct page. me. rubbish. p. 199.

Is there a workaround for this problem?Rdmoore6 (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

The culprit is not the three periods, it expects two letters instead of one at the position of d. There's a bug and will be fixed.

"However there are currently some bugs in the implementation such that valid URLs can cause this error."^{Help:CS1 errors}

--Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 17:33, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Rdmoore6, fixed and waiting for implementation. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 13:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Cite web comparison

Wikitext	{{cite web|no-tracking=yes|title=Title here|url=http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/peck-gower-confessio-amantis-volume-1-introduction}}
Live	"Title here".
Sandbox	"Title here".

Derrick Henry, runningback, Alabama

I am shocked and appalled at the term "fieldNigger" used in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.160.14 (talk) 16:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Derrick Henry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Another editor has cleaned up the article, and the IP address used for the vandalism has been blocked. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:53, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Jamie McCourt

Hi. We have been experiencing a constant back and forth editing for Jamie McCourt's page for some time now. We are trying to update the page with the proper title of Co-Owner that she is entitled to use but it keeps getting reverted even though many footnotes have been provided. I need to know what acceptable documentation or references have to provided in order to keep the proper title in place. There are documents not available online that support this. Thank you Pete731 (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Convenience link: Jamie McCourt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dismas|^(talk) 18:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't have time to give a better response right now but you can start looking into reliable sources at WP:RS. Someone else should be along to help more. Dismas|^(talk) 18:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Pete731: The sources you cite in the current version of the article establish that the McCourts' post-nuptial agreement was invalid, and they also establish that her claim of being co-owner was disputed; so you can't say unequivalent that she was co-owner based on those sources. What you need is a later source like the final divorce settlement (surely it is final by now) that actually addresses ownership.

I need to call your attention to the policy Wikipedia:Edit warring. When you are reverted, you need to discuss your edit on the article talk page rather than just reassert the edit.

BTW, I am concerned by your statement, "We are trying ..." An account is not permitted to be used by more than one person. —teb728 t c 23:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Pete731: I should have mentioned first of all that the place to discuss content disputes is on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 11:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Source: a page of a book that is on display in a museum

(a) I presume that a permissable source for content of a Wikipedia article is a page (of a book) that is on full-time display in a museum. The example I have in mind is the page in the log book of HMS Euryalus (1803) which records Nelson's famous signal: England expects that every man will do his duty. The museum is the Nelson Collection, held at Lloyd's of London, which is accessible to members of the public by arrangement.
(b) If so, what is the correct means of referencing such a source?
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Nelson's log book would be a primary source, and should be use carefully. Per WP:PRIMARY:

Policy: Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. Do not add unsourced material from your personal experience, because that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material. Use extra caution when handling primary sources about living people; see WP:Biographies of living persons § Avoid misuse of primary sources, which is policy.

As to referencing them, just as any other source of the same format - in this case probably use template:cite book. Rwessel (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, not sure if this really is a pure example of a primary source, more of an eyewitness account, as Nelson was on the Victory. Euryalus recorded it as it happened. The piece of information that is relevant to the article is the time of the signal (and the point is that there were several different, but close, times recorded). ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I should have said "HMS Euryalus' log", not "Nelson's". But it's definitely a primary source, just like any journal would be. But, "HMS Euryalus' log recorded the time of the signal as ..." would be a classic use of a primary source. Rwessel (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

This is not a primary source:

Nicolas, Nicholas Harris, ed. (2011) [1846]. The Dispatches and Letters of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson. Cambridge University Press. p. 144, footnote 5. ISBN 9781108035477.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant find - it's an exact quote from Euryalus' log - all that's missing is the big ink blot on the page (I guess someone's hand might have been a bit unsteady as they approached the enemy line).ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 11:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Direct Democracy ireland:content

i have made several attempts on the talk pages of DDI regarding content and references and have asked several editors to change the page as the none of the the sources used to to create the page cannot be verified they are all based on opinion and heresay but not actual fact.Railsparks (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Railsparks. If you cannot reach consensus with other editors, please follow the guidance in Dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 23:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi colinfine i have done this on numerous occasions and have asked the the question where in the references on the DDI page where does it say DDI is right-wing there is not one reference to this and should be taken down as it is just heresay and opinion whithout any actual fact.but still it is allowed to remain on the page.Railsparks (talk) 17:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Problem Editing Page

I tried to add my company to the list of mems foundries page, but got a warning that I'm trying to add a page with too many links. All of the entries on the page have a link; I just trying to add mine, not spam the site. How do I do that? Thanks, Wes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwa821 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Cwa821: Adding external links to the body of an article is normally not done. Normally links in the body of the article are wikilinks which go to other articles in Wikipedia. And adding information about a company that you are closely associated with is a conflict of interest. Dismas|^(talk) 13:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I understand and appreciate the above comment. However, the page I'm trying to add the link to is not an article, it is only a list of companies in the industry, arranged in a table, and each of them has an external link to the company's home page. I'm just trying to add my company to the list. They were able to do this, but I'm apparently being blocked. What am I missing? Thanks, Wes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwa821 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. When you asked your question, this edit from 2010 was the only one that you had made which made sense given the question. If you're not specific about what article/edit you're talking about, we have to guess. I see now that you've made additional edits. I'm sorry, I'm being pulled away now but someone else may be able to answer. Dismas|^(talk) 16:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

autoconfirm

How to tell if I am autoconfirmed. I want to upload a logo and the cite said that was no good as its not 'free' material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurasian Minerals (talk • contribs) 23:21, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

look for your name here, and your is listed as none. Jab843 (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually ListUsers does not list if you are autoconfirmed or not. But the OP in question isn't as they have only made 8 edits. You need 10 edits and 4 days to be autoconfirmed. As for the image, see files for upload to have someone else upload it for you. On another note, your username is a violation of our username policy. Your username implies shared use as it is the name of a company and nothing else. You need to be named something unique that implies that only you use that account, not the entire company. --Stabila711 (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)