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June 15

Citing

Hello,

First, let me thank you all at the Help Desk who take time out of your day to help users like me.

Second, my actual question. I am working on adding info boxes to albums, and I am wondering if I could cite amazon.co.uk for some of the data. Like length, genre, ect.?

Thanks again, Yonikasz (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

In general, Yonikasz, linking to Amazon, or other commercial vendors, is frowned upon. Besides that, Amazon URLs are notoriously unstable, and they have a habit of re-using the same URL to point to a different, later, edition of a book or CD. (This used to give people fits over at the ISFDB.) So I would advise using a different source if possible. The publisher's web site would be a WP:PRIMARY source, but should be reliable for this sort of thing. Review sites might also work. DES ^(talk) 02:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Thank so much for your reply. The album that I am working on is pretty old, but not old enough to be out of copyright. Would using WorldCat work? Thanks again, Yonikasz (talk) 02:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Yonikasz, cites to worldcat should be fine on reliability, and their urls are pretty stable. We even have a template for it {{oclc}}. I don't understand what copyright has to do with it. The album being in copyright woudl not pevent you using a link to the publisher's web site. For the mater of that, if it is a physical album, data from the cover or liner notes should be an acceptable source, sources must be published but need not be online. One can always quote facts from a copyrighted source as long as the total lengh quoted is short. Facts (as opposed to wording) are not protected by copyright under uS law. DES ^(talk) 02:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

WorldCat URLs have to be stable, because changing them non-systematically would ruin connections with us libraries that contribute to it. Granted, they could change them systematically, but that would easily be resolved with a simple change to {{oclc}}. Note that you only need the OCLC record number in the URL; while Armies of Great Britain has its full URL at http://www.worldcat.org/title/armies-of-great-britain/oclc/881165055, things will work equally well if you just use http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/881165055; you can get it either by truncating the URL (just remove /title/ and the immediately following section that depends on the title) or by clicking the "Permalink" button at right, between the "sign in or create a free account" link and above the scrolling "Near libraries to [whereover]. Nyttend (talk) 04:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If an editor uses the {{oclc}} template, it will format the URL properly with no need for the editor to be concerned over the details, only the number is needed as an input parameter. DES ^(talk) 23:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

chris christie

Nothing to indicate publicized meltdown, admissions of getting high, no intentions of stepping down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.108.214 (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I assume that you are sugesting changes to Chris Christie. I suggest that you discuss them at Talk:Chris Christie, and be prepared to cite specific sources and discuss the question of due weight. DES ^(talk) 02:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Reference

Hi, I have edit my article and find more reference. I would like to get more suggestion if it is good to resummit my article. Thank you in advance.momo 03:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs)

Convenience links:

User:Mokawn/sandbox and User talk:Mokawn/sandbox. Both seem to be about the same company. Dismas|^(talk) 10:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Mokawn seems to be yet another version. These should be consolidated. Personally I would prefer that the Draft: namespace be used, but it doesn't really matter as long as there is only one version around. @Mokawn: DES ^(talk) 16:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree the Draft one should be used, however User:Mokawn/sandbox is clearly the better version- it has 13 sources compared to 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Quite true. I would favor moving that one over the Draft version, or possibly merging the two if there is anything valuable in the Draft version which is not in the sandbox version. But since this involves a page in userspace, I would be reluctant to do this without consulting with User:Mokawn first. DES ^(talk) 16:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all of your comment and suggestion. I will rearrange the Draft version by taking from my sandbox. momo 01:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokawn (talk • contribs)

editing and updating

A page Janette Kerr has been created about me by my gallery Cadogan Contemporary. I corrected and updated the information, but have received a message from you that this has been undone. I also rewrote a few sentences that are badly phrased. All this it appears to be there. So I don't understand the message I have received — Preceding unsigned comment added by JanetteKerr (talk • contribs) 08:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The page history [1] shows that no edits by User:JanetteKerr have been undone. Do you refer to old edits by User:Lucasta10 and the post at User talk:Lucasta10#March 2015 2? As it says, Wikipedia does not use external links in the main article text like the account did in [2]. External links should be used in references or placed in an "External links" section at the end of the article. See Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:External links. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Drop-down menu of the seach box

It seems that the drop-down menu of the search box doesn't work, in any language of Wikipedia or with any browser (Firefox, Opera, Chrome): no alternatives are given when typing. Noticed it today. I'd be glad of any assistance. Ericrose (talk) 09:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

It seems to be a bigger problem than that - the entire search has been broken for at least 2 hours - all I get is

An error has occurred while searching: Search is currently too busy. Please try again later.

Any ideas/other discussions? - Arjayay (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Also being discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 137#Search engine problems, where it is more likely to get a technical response - Arjayay (talk) 09:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

All Wikimedia wikis seem to be affected; the Wikimedia Operations team are aware of the problem and are working on it right now. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The latest update to the OTRS team is that the search functionality is slowing being restored. Please be patient. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

User interaction tool

I'm sure there used to be a tool that could help you work out where two users had interacted. Does it still exist/work? --Dweller (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I feel like this was asked not too long ago. And if my memory serves, WP:WIKIBLAME was mentioned in the same thread. Maybe a search of the archives will yield the answer. Dismas|^(talk) 12:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds more like the Editor Interaction Analyzer to me... Yunshui ^雲_水 12:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Or Intersect Contribs. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, you lovely people. --Dweller (talk) 12:41, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Company page in different language

Hello,

Company I work for asked me to upload the article about the company in French. We already have the same article in Portuguese and German languages.

Could you please help me on how to do it?

Our existing articles:

Portuguese: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murrelektronik

German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murrelektronik

Thank you very much for your help.

Best regards, Timur Novinskiy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Murrfrance (talk • contribs) 13:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@Murrfrance: This is English Wikipedia, so all articles here must be in English. You need to go to French Wikipedia and ask there about how to do it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Generate list of contributing editors for a specific date range

Is there a tool to generate a non-redundant list of eds who have contributed to a page in a given period of time? For example, I'd like to make a list of editors who have chimed in at Anthony Watts (blogger) in the last 6 months, and then consider whether to template any with the FYI no-fault DS alert for climate change topics. Sure I could awkwardly stumble about making a list manually and running risk that I'd screw up and double-alert someone by accident. Getting a simple participants' list would be a great help. Does it already exist? Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Does WP:WikiBlame do what you need?--ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. It's good for comparisons, but I don't see it making a nonredundant list of contribs much less a list from startdate-to-stopdate. If I'm just not seeing it, please elaborate! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

A programmer could probably start with the source for the WikiBlame tool (It is publicly available) and write a tool to do this, but would it be used often enough to be worth the effort? DES ^(talk) 23:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Incorporate gnuplot graph into Wikipedia sandbox

Hi there. I have a sandbox set up for me months ago by someone from this help desk. I am grateful to you guys for that. I've filled it with math formulas I need. Now I would like to know if I can incorporate a graph I developed with gnuplot language into the above mentioned sandbox? Thanks --AboutFace 22 (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: Our software cannot read gnuplot directly. See Wikipedia:Graphs and charts, Wikipedia:How to create charts for Wikipedia articles and Wikipedia:Uploading images for options. You are allowed to upload images with a free license and add them to User:AboutFace 22/sandbox. You can also make additional sandboxes like User:AboutFace 22/sandbox2. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer PrimeHunter. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

BTW, can I incorporate a .png image of the graph into the sandbox? Thanks, --AboutFace 22 (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@AboutFace 22: Yes, our software can use png files. When an image with a free license has been uploaded it can be added to any page. Uploading an image and adding it to a page are separate processes. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

St. Mary's Schools Worcester MA

Wikipedia has incorrect and outdated information listed for St. Mary's Schools (called by Wikipedia Central Catholic High School).  I would not let me make corrections as listed in your FAQ. Please contact me so we can get this information corrected.  As you can imagine information you provide has an impact on school, enrollment and overall reputation. Regards, Renata Lech — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.173.204.49 (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to and what information in it is incorrect? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Would that be St. Mary's Central Catholic High School (Worcester, Massachusetts) and these edits or some of them? DES ^(talk) 17:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Not receiving Wikipedia message in my email address

Hello, partners from Wikipedia:

Simply explained: I can't log on to my Wikipedia account, so that I can contribute to Wikipedia wealthiness, but it has been impossible so far. The warning says 'Wrong Password" Anyway I have written down my email address because I was told to do so, in order to recover my password, but no message has arrived yet. What is happening. Did I do something wrong? My email address is [REDACTED]. I am writing from Nicaragua. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.212.158.247 (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Have you checked your spam filter? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:51, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If you are User:jamm2005us then your account has not specified an email address and you have to create a new account. For privacy reasons Special:PasswordReset doesn't reveal whether an entered email address belongs to an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

why is there no internet contection in this class

why is there no internet conect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.100.95.81 (talk) 17:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

This help desk is only for questions related to the editing of Wikipedia. It's not for asking random, unrelated questions like this. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, if there is no Internet connection, by what means are you even posting this query? This appears to be an unresolvable question as given, and all that aside, it does not appear to have any relation to Wikipedia. Dustin (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Looking at your IP address, I see you're using a computer registered to the Orange County Department of Education. That makes it look like that the computers are connected to the internet, you just aren't allowed around their firewall. Your school has probably blocked off certain types of websites they don't want you to visit. Go study instead. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Change Page Name

Hello! I work for a school that is listed on Wikipedia, and we just changed the school's name. How can I change the name of our Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillewertlee (talk • contribs) 17:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Jill. You cannot change the name of an article, but rather you need to move said article to the more correct name. We would need some solid references to establish that this name change has taken place, of course. Also: It is not the school's article! It is an article by neutral third parties, about the school. I do hope you understand the difference. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:27, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Convenience link:

Kansas City College and Bible School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dismas|^(talk) 22:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and you can't move the page, since a page already exists at Kansas Christian College. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I've moved Kansas City College and Bible School to Kansas Christian College (Overland Park) and Kansas Christian College to Kansas Christian College (Lincoln) and then created a dab page at Kansas Christian College (since it doesn't appear at first glance that either is a primary topic). Going to clean up the redirects now. Deor (talk) 23:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Request Edit: Kameron Loe

Kameron Loe is no longer married to Nikki Loe, Please remove this information.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Kameron+Loe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.31.253.66 (talk) 18:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, therefore you could do it yourself. Also, nowhere on Kameron Loe does it says anything about being married, so nothing needs to be changed. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

On the main page of google there is a mini wikipedia box sited from wikipedia [see link below, right hand side] that has basic information about Kameron. Is this all part of wikipedia? if so how can i change that information

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Kameron+Loe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.31.253.66 (talk) 18:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

No, it is not all Wikipedia, it is a collection of information from Google. RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Google has collected information from various places and created that. Most of the text is from Wikipedia though. You can change the information that is from Wikipedia here.

Our stock answer for similar posts:

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

By the way, congratulations on making the only accurate post I have seen about this. Everybody else has just assumed everything was from Wikipedia, and most people don't even say they saw it at Google but just claim there is problem in the Wikipedia article. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Weather box

Hi, in article Pamplona, there is a problem with the layout (weather box), leaving a big blank between the end of the paragraph and the weather box. Is there any way the weather box can be shortened (tightened) in order to fit in? Thanks! Iñaki LL (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I tried to adjust the width of the table. Ruslik_Zero 20:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Desktop view as default also on tablet

Hello, how can I make my tablet/browser/account show me by default the "desktop view", and not the "mobile view?" --Ziko (talk) 20:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

There should be a "view desktop" link at the bottom of the mobile view page.--ukexpat (talk) 21:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but that doesn't make it the default view. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Commons description not coming through

What's going on with the image to the right? There's a full description page at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hovey_Lake_Archaeological_District.jpg, but for whatever reason, none of the description is visible when you're at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hovey_Lake_Archaeological_District.jpg. Nyttend (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The Commons description page was missing from both this and two other images I checked but they are all back now. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Please help remove my name, Wina Sturgeon

The author of the page 'Talk:Theodore Sturgeon is using my name to raise rankings for his page about deceased science fiction writer Theodore Sturgeon, who died in 1985. I previously had to go to Wikipedia when this author used black hat SEO to include hidden code on his page linking my writing for the New York Times to Mr. Sturgeon's name, so that his page came up first when anyone searched my name. Wikipedia removed that hidden code, which had enabled Google to place the author's page above my own name. I had to assure (I think it was Mike) that when people searched my name, they were interested in my writing as a nationally syndicated columnist, not so much a lesser known science fiction writer who died a quarter century ago.

Now that author's page comes up between second to fifth on Google search for my name, using his contrived controversy about my marriage to Theodore Sturgeon. The described controversy has already cost me one client as a free lance writer. I don't know if the author of the page has used acceptable SEO to gain his search ranking by again hijacking my written work and name. However, repeating my original issue to Wikipedia, when visitors search my name, they are looking for me, not for Theodore Sturgeon.

Can anyone please help correct this problem? I will appreciate it very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.39.95 (talk) 23:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

• Theodore Sturgeon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) This will give easier access to editors who want to look into the situation. MarnetteD|Talk 23:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I doubt anyone would need to mess with Google rankings for Theodore Sturgeon, since Theodore Sturgeon is actually a notable person, who has a Wikipedia article, and you are not notable enough for a Wikipedia article- therefore it's likely his results should be high anyway. Also before you try it, it is not acceptable to remove talkpage comments from Talk:Theodore Sturgeon. It's not Wikipedia's fault that Google is searching in a way you don't like, go complain to Google about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Googling "Wina Sturgeon" finds it sixth at Theodore's talk page (seventh if I don't click Verbatim). The Top Five are all you. If it can even be considered a Google bomb, it's not a very effective one. Your best course is probably to forget about it. By combining the names here, you're just tightening the knot.

Perception is reality. If someone sees your connection as a reason to dismiss your work, they will as surely as someone who sees the connection as problematic will blame it for work problems. If somebody is looking for you alone, they'll discount other names in search results. If they're looking for Theodore and you, they'll see him no matter what. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

It isn't clear what the original poster, Wina Golden aka Wina Sturgeon, says Wikipedia has done or should do. If she thinks that there are errors in the article, she can discuss them on the talk page, Talk: Theodore Sturgeon. If that does not satisfy her, she can go to the biographies of living persons noticeboard. (Sturgeon isn't living, but the policy on biographies of living persons applies to living persons who are mentioned in other articles.) It does appear that this is not the first time that she has had issues about this article. Her complaints about it from 2011 are on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the seventh most visited website and has a high PageRank. Any Wikipedia page which happens to match a Google search is likely to be placed highly in the search results (unless it's pushed out by other Wikipedia pages). It makes no sense that someone would mention a little known person like you for the purpose of increasing the page views of a Wikipedia article. We do well already with around 300 million daily page views in total for the English Wikipedia alone (we have hundreds of other language editions). Google only reports "About 7,440 results" for a web search of "Wina Sturgeon". For comparison Google says 374,000 for "Theodore Sturgeon", 157,000,000 for "New York Times", and 949,000,000 for "Wikipedia". If you don't want Wikipedia pages to show up in Google searches of your name then I suggest you stop mentioning the name here at wikipedia.org. The mention on this help desk will probably soon show up in Google. A Wikipedia article is the first Google result on "Barack Obama" and probably tens or hundreds of thousands of other people. At least Wikipedia is not in the top-3 for you. It would probably be first if we had a biography about you. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I took at look at the history for Theodore Sturgeon, and I'm not seeing what "hidden code" was removed. A reference was removed and re-added repeatedly, but that's hardly hidden. (Ignoring that there does appear to be some dispute over the facts of the marriage). Rwessel (talk) 03:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• I've boldly {{NOINDEX}}ed the article talk page, as the value of the talk page appearing in external search results is outweighed by the concerns of a BLP subject. Also as we regularly no index BLP talk pages, it seems reasonable to no index a talk page where a living person is talked about. Monty₈₄₅ 04:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
• It appears that the "hidden code" complained of above was a simple cite to an NY Times article written by the OP, in which she referred to Ted Sturgeon, although by first name only, and described him as her husband. It was removed because it didn't well support the fact it was cited for, which proved to be inaccurate (a statement that the OP had been maried to Sturgeon). DES ^(talk) 11:43, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm also stunned by the bizarre description of a seminal figure like Ted Sturgeon as "lesser known", by an anonymous somebody claiming to be an obscure person using the same last name who is purportedly a nationally syndicated columnist. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• I'm also stunned by this, as clearly Theodore Sturgeon is more notable, having a Wikipedia article with high importance in a topic, compared to someone not notable enough for Wikipedia. I also disagree that a NOINDEX is needed, and so have removed it. Not our fault that they spammed the talkpage with their name, which is why it shows up so highly in search results. If you do idiotic things, expect bad results. Complain to Google about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

The desire to impugn his name is offputting (probably enhanced because I have great fondness for Sturgeon as a writer). You should also be aware how transparent it is to anyone in the know. Echoing those above, Theodore Sturgeon, a lesser known figure? Ha! Of course anyone stumbling across this thread should not assume the OP is the person claimed. They might or might not be but it is an assertion only.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

It is true that we don't know that the OP, who says that she is Wina Sturgeon, really is Wina Golden aka Wina Sturgeon. We never know that someone posting from an IP address who signs a name is the person to whom the name belongs. However, the humans behind IP addresses are entitled to the assumption of good faith. There is no reason to think that she isn't Wina Golden aka Wina Sturgeon. It is true that the rest of her request is unreasonable, but there is no reason to doubt that she is who she says she is. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

You wholly miss the purpose in stating this. This thread badly reflects on the OP, who purports to be a particular living person. Do I really need to say more about why your post is thus misplaced?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, it is possible that someone has been doing a joe-job for the past four years by claiming to be Wina Golden aka Wina Sturgeon. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• It seems an unreasonable request, except that Monty845's solution (NOINEXing the talk page) is simple, easy, harmless, and not uncommon. I'm disappointed to see it was removed. That would essentially end this, and its removal makes sense only if we want to somehow "punish" User:67.2.39.95. Just restore the tag, call this resolved, and everyone can walk away from this with their own opinion of the IP's comments and motivations. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• There was a misunderstanding, which was why it was removed- it's now been restored. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:26, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

NOINDEX

Is the purpose of the {{NOINDEX}} to tell spider-bots not to crawl the page and so not to include the page in Google (and other) search results? If so, it is my opinion that putting NOINDEX on a talk page is usually a good idea, because it is only article space that Wikipedia wants to show to the outside world. Talk pages are discussion of how to improve article pages. I know that some editors disagree with me, but I don't think that any Wikipedia spaces except article space should be crawled, or searched outside Wikipedia. (The Wikipedia search capability has a different purpose than a Google search.) So in this case, putting NOINDEX on a talk page seems like the right thing, and should be non-controversial. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:17, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

• I feel like I'm going to have to properly explain my decision-making above. I thought that my adding NOINDEX to the talkpage, that stopped the talkpage AND the article itself from being indexed for Google searches- this is not correct. So I agree, there's very little need for article talkpages to be searchable on Google in general. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Joseph2302 I have found it useful occasionally to see a link in a Google or Bing search to a talk page related to what I was searching for.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:51, 16 June 2015 (UTC)