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Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood

I accidentally removed the tag for "more references" at the top of this page. I cannot work out how to replace it. 144.139.53.175 (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

You just needed to replace the tag your removed.  Done --†dismas†|^(talk) 00:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

People cannot find my page if they do not know my middle initial

My page is "James B. Norman". However most people do not know my middle initial and when they search for James Norman, they cannot find me - my name does not show up in the list of "James Norman"s, nor does it show up in disambiguation, nor the list of all pages that include James Norman. How can this be fixed? Thanks. 73.240.156.52 (talk) 01:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I have added a link from the list at James Norman to James B. Norman. That is how such cases are normally handled. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

How do you post about our edit?

So I can't post on public. It said cancel>.... :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by RS.SJC.GIRL2201 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@RS.SJC.GIRL2201: Please be more specific about the problem. For me "Cancel" is one of several options and I just don't click it. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:57, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family

Please note that edit warring is occurring on this page. We leave many kind comments to ensure the editor; but this editor, for example, changes capital letters to small letters despite the verifiable 1950 newspaper reports and records.... It is hard work for us to keep reverting her very frivolous changes when we are trying to get this page an " up- grade". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4E8F:6D00:E411:771D:E591:5BB3 (talk) 10:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't see edit warring. I see editors with some differences in opinion about the content: that is perfectly normal and healthy. I see no discussion on the talk page, but an editor posting here from an assumption that they are right and the other editor is frivolous. Please assume good faith, and remember that you do not own the article. In case of content disputes, the goal is to reach consensus.

I also see that you have broken the section hierarchy (even after Dexbot explicitly corrected it) with the comment "Corrected font size". Section levels are important for structuring the article, and for disabled access, not just ways of manipulating the font size. MOS:BODY says "Sections should be consecutive, such that they do not skip levels from sections to sub-subsections; the exact methodology is part of the Accessibility guideline". --ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes for Art Galleries

Hi, I like to add infoboxes to articles that are in need. So I went to the page Category:WikiProject Business articles needing infoboxes and saw that the Fischbach Gallery needs one. But I was not sure which infobox template to use, so I went to Category:Art galleries in Manhattan to see what infobox template is the standard. Although I saw there are tons of articles in this category, almost none of them have infoboxes. I did find one, out of about ten that I looked at: Katharina Rich Perlow Gallery, which uses the Infobox:Museum template. Is this correct for art galleries? Or is there another one? Please tell me and I will try to add infoboxes to as many of the New York art galleries as I can. Thanks. SweetPotatoes (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

SweetPotatoes, not every article needs an infobox. Some projects prefer to avoid them on the articles that they help to maintain. Before adding infoboxes in a group, I urge you to seek consensus, perhaps at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts, although seems inactive, or on some of the individual article talk pages. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

A Page Title

I must change the page title here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Agriculture_for_Rural_Development

This of course changes the url. The title of our agency head has changed and we must show the title as the "Assistant to the Secretary for Rural Development" instead of Under Secretary of Agriculture for Rural Development. We will still offer a brief explanation on the past titles.

Finally, my password reset email has not arrived since yesterday. What is the turn around time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.159.107.18 (talk) 13:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Help Desk, anonymous IP. Am I correct in guessing that you are Kpriestly? If so, I note that you have not yet declared your WP:Conflict of Interest or possibly WP:Paid editing status on your talk page. Your status is considered to be a paid editor for this article if you are employed by the United States Department of Agriculture.

You should have received a response to a password reset request almost immediately. Do you have more than one e-mail address? I'm not sure whether we should have a new article for the new job title, but if it is considered to be the same job, just with a new title, then the correct procedure would be a WP:Move which you will be able to do when you recover your account. Dbfirs 16:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is Kpriestly, but I did not have a different email. The reset was not going through so I created a new account w/the same email and I did receive that email. I am employed by USDA. It is the same job, but new title. Can you help me w/the WP:Move. Not sure how to.

Username Conflict of Interest for people

I have recently been spending some time patrolling the new page feed. On occasion I find new article that have been created by editors whose names are the same as the subject of the article in violation of WP:COI. If they were a company I would leave a tag on their talk page ({{uw-coi-username]]). Is there a tag I can use to point out usernames that may violate COI for individual people? SamHolt6 (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello SamHolt6, you probably are looking for {{uw-autobiography}}. Thanks. Lourdes 17:55, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. SamHolt6 (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Approval of draft page

Hi there

I've created a draft page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Urban_Uprising

Can you please tell me if this has been submitted for approval or if there's another stage I have to complete?

Thanks

Lmacready (talk) 14:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

To submit the draft for review, you need to add the code {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft, Lmacready. But this draft is mnot at all ready for submission. Please convert the reference lists to inline citations, so that the reader can tell what reference supports what statement. See Referencing for Beginners for details. This will help establish the notability of the subject. Also, at least one of the listed refernces seems to be a blog, and others look as if they might not be reliable sources. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Lets me login but after loading a new page I am logged out

As the title states, when I log into my account, it says I am logged in and have new messages and notifications, then when i go to any new wiki page I am no longer logged in… This happens on both my laptop and on my mobile device.

If it matters this is my first time logging on in years, just tried yesterday since I have time but this happened and I havent been able to do any editing.

Any suggestions on what could be causing this/how to fix? No other website does this, just Wikipedia.

Thank you, 73.58.156.68 (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a bug that is likely the cause of this. There is a workaround for this bug. Try logging in on a Wikimedia server, where you likely never logged in before. For instance try something like https://en.wikivoyage.org. Please do report back both when succeeding and still failing. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I tried different servers and it still logged me out. I ended up resetting my password and it has worked fine since. Thank you TheDJ for your help and fast response! CrowzRSA 19:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@CrowzRSA: Good to have you back, enjoy editing. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:08, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Can Wiki article titles be too long ?

I am just starting a draft at User:Penbat/Disengaging from an abuser. I am in two minds whether to call it "Disengaging from an abuser" or "Disengaging from an abuser using the no contact rule or grey rock technique". The second option is obviously very long but it is a more useful explicit title. Would the second option be allowed ?--Penbat (talk) 15:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Penbat; while WP:TITLELENGTH lists the technical limitation on title length, your proposed title length seems okay. Thanks. Lourdes 17:20, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks just thinking that journal article titles are often much longer still than my second option.--Penbat (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar not working on Wikimedia Commons

Someone added a barnstar to my Wikimedia Commons user page, but it doesn't seem to be displaying properly, any ideas? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• @Absolutelypuremilk: The barnstar is an en-wp template, and thus not available on Commons. As far as I know there is no way to include templates from en-wp on commons or the other way around (except by substituting on en-wp and copy-pasting the code). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Tigraan, when you have free reading time: mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding, phab:T6547, mw:User:Peter17/Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2010-08-30/Technology report. Lourdes 18:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Editor with changing IP address?

I only found something about block evasion, socket puppetry, however is it also forbidden to edit in Wikipedia when using a permantently different IP address with each edit? I am asking since i found an editor who changes the IP address with each edit most likely and i am wondering about that.--Joobo (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Take a look at IP hopper. It's very likely that it's involuntary and within policy. Also take a look at Template:AOL and Template:SingNet which both used to change IP address with literally every edit, even seconds apart. A dynamic ISP like BT or Talk Talk will change IP address at least every few hours whether you like it or not. Mobile networks also frequently change IP. It is possible to choose to change IP with every edit, but it's frequently not worth the hassle. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Does that also could lead to IP changes originating from different continents? i am no expert in that matter, yet i doubt that actually.--Joobo (talk) 17:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It is possible - for one thing geolocation is not always accurate. It's also possible that it's a different editor. It's also possible that they're deliberately using anonymising proxies of some sort. Without context about what they're actually doing it's not possible to say that they are breaking policy. They may be evading blocks, or scrutiny, or content policies, or they may be totally harmless and policy-compliant. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate entries

I usually edit in Wikipedia in Spanish, but I only seldomly edit in English. I found that Amulo and Amalarius are both different entries about the exact same person. I'd like to ask to pour the content of Amalarius in Amulo, which is larger and has more information, and then convert Amalarius into a redirectional page conducting to Amulo. I can't find how to do that, or what are the policies into that in WP in English. Abajo estaba el pez (talk) 17:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Abajo estaba el pez, you might want to give a read to WP:MERGE. Please don't hesitate to come back if something is unclear. Thanks. Lourdes 17:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Help! I was trying to update transportation information on the Puerto Escondido article, and I messed something up. I don't know how to fix it.
Messed something up on the Puerto Escondido article under the transportation heading.

Hello! In Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, it appears you added extra <ref></ref> tags in the Transportation section. I have now removed them: [1]. Please remember to sign your posts by adding ~~~~ at the end of your message. Happy editing! –FlyingAce^✈hello 19:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Need access to an old account

Hello,

I have taken over someone's job and they did not leave log-in credentials for a page they were working on to be published about our company. How can my company gain access to his account to move the page to one of our staff members?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayliepomroygroup (talk • contribs) 19:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Hayliepomroygroup: A few responses to start with: We do not allow accounts to be shared between people (or roles). For similar reasons we do not allow accounts which appear to represent a group or organisation (as yours does). Pages are not owned by any one person, so one does not need to access any other account to edit a page. Please also see WP:COI and Help:Move. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:41, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@zzuuzz - got it. I actually found the old link of the page he was working on and requested an undeletion. I think that's the route I need to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayliepomroygroup (talk • contribs) 19:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

No, Hayliepomroygroup, the way you need to go is to read about conflict of interest, and understand why you (and anybody else from your company) are strongly discouraged from directly editing an article about your company. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I was given a task, and I'm in discovery mode. I have never had any experience with Wikipedia before today, and it's not like the rules are apparent until someone, like yourself, explains them. I'm was trying to do my job, that's all. You don't know what you don't know, you know? Now I know! Thanks for the explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilynmcmahon (talk • contribs) 00:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

I apologise if I came over as unwelcoming, Emilynmcmahon. I get frustrated at the many people who come here and don't understand what Wikipedia is, and think that it is their business to update articles about them, but I shouldn't take it out on you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Now you are required by our terms of service to disclose your status as a paid editor on your userpage. This is not optional. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Jimbo Wales; a complaint.

He thinks, out of the blue, that he is a smart little guy, that he can do whatever he wants. No. That is not how he can do it on Wikipedia. He is acting like he is the queen, and we are the sorry people. --King Curtis Holland (talk) 20:55, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

If you are "back" what name did you edit under previously. MarnetteD|Talk 21:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

King Curtis. --King Curtis Holland (talk) 21:04, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I can find only User:King Curtis Gooden. Is that you? If you are back just to make silly comments, then perhaps you should leave again. On the other hand, if you are back to make constructive edits to our encyclopaedia as King Curtis Gooden did, then welcome back, and we look forward to some sensible, useful edits. Dbfirs 21:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm leaving. Bacon is good for me. --King Curtis Holland (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

kingskidd74

Why are the articles I contributed to Wikipedia is not coming on on the search engine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingskidd74 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I can't find any articles that you have written, Kingskidd74. What I do find is that you appear to have tried to write an article about yourself, on your user talk page: that is the wrong place for an article (it is a page for other editors to use to interact with you) and in any case autobiography is strongly discouraged. Please read WP:your first article, and come back if you have questions. --ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

ColinFine The article was not about me but someone I interviewed on my blog. Meanwhile, can you tell me the right place to create autobiography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingskidd74 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

A different website. 74.70.146.1 (talk) 01:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Autobiographies should be created somewhere where those are allowed or encouraged, such as MySpace, Livejournal or Facebook. They have no place here. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Reminders on backlogs

What could one do to garner more attention on an item drowning under newer entries in a backlog that doesn't require admin help? I'm specifically referring to, in my case, DYK nominations that are in the redded out section (which normally receive little to no attention). alphalfalfa^(talk) 22:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, one strategy some editors use is going to editors regular at the Dyk desk and who have their own nominations pending, and requesting them to assess the ignored Dyk, in return offering a quid pro quo, where they take some effort in assessing the other editor's DYK. You could try that too. Thanks. Lourdes 01:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)