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Integrating a sandbox with existing Wikipedia content

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I have written an article in my personal sandbox that I want to integrate with existing wikipedia articles, but none of those articles cover the overall development of the body of work. Each article in the overall space covers their specific piece of work but do not fit it into the broader set of activities. As a metaphor, each article covers the development of some house subsystem (e.g. electrical, plumbing, heating, etc) but there is no article about how the house itself was assembled, and subsystems created. How do I introduce the overall entry into the wikipedia content and then tie specific articles into it.

In addition, many of the articles to be stitched into the larger fabric are somewhat out of date, and perhaps not actively maintained. Are their effective ways to prod the editors of those pages to maintain their content. (There were at least five main pages that were out of date in referencing various initiatives within the larger fabric.) Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjklingenstein (talk • contribs) 03:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kjklingenstein: If you think an article needs improvement, please fix it, or post suggestions on the article's talk page. Regarding the draft you have created at User:Kjklingenstein/sandbox , it appears it may be Original Research, which is not allowed. If I am mistaken, then please read WP:YFA for guidance and tips on creating an article. RudolfRed (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Kjklingenstein:. Fixing the ping. RudolfRed (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kjklingenstein: one problem with the content of your sandbox is all the unexplained abbreviations: R&E, PKI, IETF, SAML, LDAP, OASIS, WG, etc. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Error on the 'Succession to the English Throne' page.

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Reads 'Charlotte & her new-born brother, as yet unnamed' should read '& their new brother ...........

Graham Payne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham Payne (talk • contribs) 03:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Pedant point: It's the British throne. Rojomoke (talk) 05:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited my submission which was refused. How long to wait before I receive an answer on the edit?

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I've edited my submission which was refused. How long to wait before I receive an answer on the edit?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonkieding (talk • contribs) 06:36 am, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Leonkieding, please sign your posts to discussion pages so we know who to reply to, and link to the page you are referring to. If this is about Draft:Binaural Brainwave Art, it was last declined at Articles for creation in January. If you believe you have made substantial improvements to meet the concerns expressed then, you should re-submit the draft by editing the page to insert the code {{subst:submit}} and publishing changes. It will help reviewers if you can expand the references to display author, title, date and where published. Guidance on doing this is already on your talk page: Noyster (talk), 10:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You had lost the "Resubmit" button because you had deleted the feedback (which was labelled with "Do not remove this line!"). I have reinstated the feedback, so you've got the resubmit button back. Before you resubmit you need to remove the misplaced external links from the text of the draft. You may wish to turn some of those links to properly formatted references. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Articles that need editing

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Is there a way of finding articles that need extra citations/extra content? When you first join it gives you 10 to edit, but I can't find how to do it again. Sir7 16 (talk) 10:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of over 300,000 articles that someone said needs references, Category:All articles with unsourced statements. ~ GB fan 10:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

removal of refs back to wikipedia

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Is there anything special that should be done on removing references back to wikipedia? For example Newark, New Jersey contains <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner</ref>. using the deadlink template instead doesn't seem correct...Naraht (talk)

I've removed that ref to Wikipedia. I would have added a wikilink to the Nat Turner article – but there's already one there. Maproom (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll see in the future if it makes sense to link. There are over 300 in mainspace. (I did a search for insource:ref>https://en.wikipedia ) no guarantee that that is close to all of them.Naraht (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Possible entry by person paid to create it on behalf of another

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I would appreciate your review of the issue I've just raised in my addition to the talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tana_French#The_Witch_Elm. Do I have a valid point here? Isn't there a rule against someone creating an entry if that person is being paid to do so on behalf of another? By the way, I happen to love Tana French's writing and have read most of her books, so I have no no vendetta or axe to grind. But I would hate to see Wikipedia tainted by commercialism. Thanks, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 12:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, BuzzWeiser196. Thanks for helping us improve Wikipedia. There are several issues here:
  • information does not belong in Wikipedia unless it has been reliably published somewhere. Period. If you find unsourced information in an article, you may remove it. If you think it might be right, then it would be better to find a citation yourself, or mark it with {{citation needed}} if you haven't the time or inclination to do so. But if you think it is wrong or unverifiable, be BOLD and remove it. (If you remove it, and it turns out that there is a source that is relatively easy to find, another editor might be annoyed with you, but they can always restore it with a citation).
  • for certain purposes, information can come from non-independent sources (eg the subject's own website)- see WP:PRIMARY. But I would agree that announcements of future publications or releases are not usually appropriate unless they have already been the subject of independently-published notice. (See WP:CRYSTALBALL).
  • The last two entries in the book list were inserted by Panderson458 (who I have just pinged). Most of that user's recent edits appear to be adding 2018 publications to articles about authors, so I would concur with you that the are probably here for promotional reasons, and very likely paid to do so. Panderson458, if I am wrong about that I apologise; but in any case please stop inserting the names of books without citations. And if you are in any way involved with the authors or their publishers or agents, please review the advice for editors with a conflict of interest (and particularly the constraints on paid editing if that is relevant), and be aware that promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, ColinFine. BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 13:24, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Searching for terms used by vandals

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Hello! I've recently noticed some repetitive and just plain nasty cases of vandalism on the Simple English wiki committed by IP addresses registered to Italian ISPs (such as this one), which I would like to track down. Is there a way to use the Recent Changes page to show, for example, all anonymous IP edits which involved replacing all content on a page in the Wikipedia namespace with a particular word, such as the F-word? I already know how to filter results to certain namespaces and to anonymous editors, but if I can further search for particular terms, such as those used in edit summaries, it could aid in tracking cases of LTA. Thanks and regards, ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 14:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about Lupin's Anti-vandal tool? It's quite old, but it still works. It has a list of bad words that it detects in recent changes (which you can prudently edit, if there's anything you wish to add). I don't know if it supports anything other than en.wikipedia, or has as specific of tools as you want, though. LittlePuppers (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Related to deletion of a page - Bahujan Azad Party

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I have placed the following deletion tag 'subst:afd' on the Wikipedia page Bahujan Azad Party. I would like to ask the following questions to clarify certain points regarding this:
1. This page has been created by a user User:SoganSinghBakra who does not have a userpage. Do I have to create their userpage to inform the user of the same?
2. Am I following correct procedure? Apart from placing the tag and stating my reason on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahujan Azad Party do I have to do anything else?
3. I understand that only a admin can delete a page. But i just want to clarify about who can create the discussion page also.
DiplomatTesterMan 14:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so i was reading the third step in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, "Open the articles for deletion log page for editing", but then by that time User:cyberbot I had already done that. So that is one thing I missed out. DiplomatTesterMan 15:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DiplomatTesterMan: Regarding question 1: You leave the notification on User talk:SoganSinghBakra, not on the user page. Deor (talk) 15:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Deor: I have added the message on the talk page User talk:SoganSinghBakra. This was a silly overlook on my part, I was looking for his the userpage and not his the talkpage. Thanks for the help. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DiplomatTesterMan, also, as the nominator, you shouldn't !vote, it's assumed that you want deletion. If you go to your Preferences, then Gadgets and tick Twinkle, it will give you a menu to automate this and many other simple tasks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jimfbleak: Ok, that was a mistake with the formatting on my part, I wanted to give the reason as to why i was nominating it for deletiion like I saw with other AFDs, but I put the "Delete:" part which I shouldn't have which should be reserved only when voting. Thanks. Will be sure not to overlook that for other nominations in the future if required.
Will check Twinkle out. Thanks for the help.DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

{{lang-ber|.........}} should display BERBER and not BERBER LANGUAGES

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Hello boys and girls,

Somebody has changed what the editing code {{lang-ber|.......}} displays on Wikipedia pages. They changed it from displaying Berber (singular) to displaying Berber languages (plural). This bad change occurred a couple of months ago.

Before this rediculous change, the code {{lang-ber|.......}} has always displayed Berber as it should, just like the code {{lang-en|........}} always displays English instead of the rediculous English languages (as in the dialects of UK, US, AUS, NZ, CAN...).

I assume this person who changed the display of the code {{lang-ber|.......}} is arguing that there are many Berber languages/dialects. But this is the case in all languages of the world with no exception. Every language has sub-languages and dialects and accents. The Berber language (local name: Tamazight or Amazigh) is specified as ONE SINGLE SINGULAR language in the two official and current constitutions of the countries of Morocco and Algeria.

Here are the English translations of the constitutions of Morocco and Algeria:

Morocco: https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Morocco_2011.pdf

(Page: 4. Article 5).

Algeria: https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Algeria_2016.pdf?lang=en

(Page: 4. Article 4).

The Berber language is considered as one single language by its own native speakers.

If you claim that there are many Berber languages then you should accept that there are many English languages (US, UK, AUS, Indian...etc) and many Arabic languages and many Chinese languages and you should display them as such on Wikipedia.

This language code {{lang-ber|.......}} must be restored to its old and original Wikipedian expression/display which is simply: Berber.

Thanks

--Tussna (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The change was apparently to comply with ISO 639-2, see ISO 639-2#Collections of languages. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How to cite a PDF?

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Pretty straightforward. I tried citing a PDF like a regular website but it failed. Please help. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 17:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UNSC Luke 1021 , it's just the same eg <ref name= RSPBintro> {{cite web | url = http://ncosbirds.org.uk/RSPB_Ham_Wall_introduction.pdf | title = RSPB Ham Wall National Nature Reserve | publisher = RSPB | access-date = 4 April 2018 }} </ref> gives "RSPB Ham Wall National Nature Reserve" (PDF). RSPB. Retrieved 4 April 2018. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jimfbleak: Oh well, I must have been making a mistake. Thank you. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)@UNSC Luke 1021: Because of how some websites embed PDF's, the VE citoid module cannot always extract sufficient metadata to complete the citation. In this case, you can use the "manual" reference generator and use cite web/book/journal as appropriate. Mdann52 (talk) 18:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Copied template

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Might someone be kind enough to help me with Template:Copied? For some reason I'm having difficulty getting it to render properly.

The source page was 2014–2018 Nicaraguan protests and revision ID 837994923; part of it was copied to create 2018 Nicaraguan protests at 15:27, 24 April 2018, revision ID 838040342. I'm trying to record this properly on the talk pages, but the latter diff is not linking properly. I can get Template:Split_article to work but there's a content discussion ongoing on whether the new page will really be a split or instead subpage to elaborate on the original page, so I'd prefer just to use the more generic copy template if possible.

Thanks for your assistance, I'm sorry if I'm overlooking something obvious. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The diff parameter is a url and not just a revision id:
{{Copied|from=2014–2018 Nicaraguan protests|from_oldid=837994923|to=2018 Nicaraguan protests|diff=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2018_Nicaraguan_protests&oldid=838040342}}.
PrimeHunter (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A million thanks PrimeHunter; I had tried the URL, haven’t the faintest idea how I managed to screw it up. Thanks for sorting me out! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello,

I am very active in an alcohol recovery community on Reddit, and we often link your article on kindling to those who are new to sobriety. The problem is that the link itself is really messed up and it reroutes to the disambiguation or elsewhere. This is a huge problem because that link can make the difference between someone deciding to go to the hospital for lifesaving treatment or deciding not to. A URL issue in that moment could be disastrous. I know this seems small but it really isn't.

It seems as though the problem occurs with the last parenthesis, before the hashtag. It's like the URL disappears with that parenthesis when we post the link. I know that this might be Reddit-specific, but if you can help you could literally save a life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindling_(sedative%E2%80%93hypnotic_withdrawal)#Alcohol

The link works fine for me, and in any case you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia links not change or for Wikipedia to be always available. RudolfRed (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What link specifically is not working for you? I clicked the link in your post and it works. I also created Kindling (alcohol) as another link to reach the section linked. The link to Kindling needs to be a disambiguation page because there are different articles related to "kindling".--Frmorrison (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You failed to link a Reddit page with the problem so we cannot see what you do wrong. I guess you write a raw url like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindling_(sedative%E2%80%93hypnotic_withdrawal)
and rely on Reddit software to turn the text into a link. Many programs will omit an ending parenthesis from a url when turning it into a link. If your software links without ) then that page says "Did you mean: Kindling (sedative–hypnotic withdrawal)?" at the top so it's easy to get to the right page. I don't know your software but it probably works if you encode ) as %29:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindling_(sedative%E2%80%93hypnotic_withdrawal%29.
PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've created a redirect from Kindling (sedative–hypnotic withdrawal. Maybe that helps? Maproom (talk) 06:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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