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August 30

What are the advantages of creating an account?

For the last two weeks or so, I have been editing Wikipedia from my IP address. I am considering making an account, but I don't want to enter my email. Could you please let me know what advantages of having an account are? Thank you. 174.0.3.148 (talk) 00:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Why create an account? It's optional to give an email address but if you don't then you lose access to the account if you forget the password. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it not true that you can recover from a lost password if you use Template:Committed identity, even of you don't reveal your email address?

Committed identity: c0c5e71bca550e99a8ae6641e66c428e232051bade39cd47355634ff159c9475fffa1d12eee339aa401bfe5b31ff7fc352c2b9c6f002bfe82d03a6b3f9e40047 is a SHA-512 commitment to this user's real-life identity.

BTW, for 12 years Wikipedia has had an email address for me that nobody else knows about, and they have never spammed me, sold the email address, or used it in any way unless I have opted in for a particular use (such as turning on the "email this user" feature, which sends me an email but doesn't reveal my email address to the person emailing me). --Guy Macon (talk) 01:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

You can ask for a developer to set an email address for your account so a new password can be mailed but they only consider it in special cases like users with advanced rights or large edit counts. They require evidence the request is from the real user. Template:Committed identity can help with that but it's more intended for cases where a hacker has taken over your account. For forgotten passwords, an email address is the way to go. Comparison of webmail providers shows many services where you can create a free account if you don't want to give your main address. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Note this IP's edits at WP:AN, plus it geolocates to Calgary; clearly a sock of WikiVandal. Home Lander (talk) 01:34, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Bullock family

Please place the file of Colonel Bullock above the file/pic named "Faulkbourne Hall 1817" which is currently on the page; this make s more sense chronologically. I am too scared to attempt this. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 02:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

How does it make more sense? Bullock was born in 1731. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Misread year. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

please fix - yes - the colonel wad born before the picture/paining of falkbourne hall done in 1817; therefore his picture should be higher up than the pub. thanks if u can do this175.33.211.40 (talk) 07:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

No, it does not make sense at all. Even though colonel John Bullock was born before the painting of the Faulkbourne Hall was made, the Hall itself is much older than him, and it is mentioned earlier in the article than him. It is reasonable to have illustrations along the text where the depicted object or person is mentioned, not in the order of images' creation. --CiaPan (talk) 08:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Template

Hello everyone, I'm from ckbwiki. I copied {{In the news}} template content, then paste here. But the image was very big (I made it to be a comment now) and Main page has some problem now. Please who can fix it? ئارام بکر (talk) 09:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

The problem is ckb:Template:ifempty but I don't know why it's broken. It's supposed to use ckb:Module:If empty to return the first non-empty parameter. At the English Wikipedia, a{{ifempty|100}}b{{#invoke:If empty|main|100}}c correctly produces a100b100c. At ckb it produces ab100c. This means that calling the module directly works but calling it via the template fails. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Help:Please help with syntax on my ref name=JDavidB (FOLLOWUP)

Please help me DEBUG the "<ref name=JDavidB>" in Berel Berkovits; I tried adding quotes, as in name="JDavidB" even though should not be necessary. Pi314m (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I've done this which incorporates the quote "That tragic event occurred during a short stopover in Jerusalem on Dayan Berkovits' return from Egypt, where he was engaged in a mission associated with his communal responsibilities.". DuncanHill (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, thank you very much. I tried reversing the first and second JDavidB, didn't work. Then I tried the quotes around JDavidB, also zilch. While not trying to seem ungrateful, and yes I see the workaround- TWO citations, one with QUOTE=, the other without: Is there a Wiki bug, possibly documented, and if not, is this something to submit to the bugfixers? Pi314m (talk) 10:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Pi314m: There was an error in formatting of references that was hiding part of contents: the reference in:

known as Berel Berkovits<ref name=Amend/)

was closed with a rounded parenthese ) instead of an angle bracket >.
Fixed: Special:Diff/857223104. --CiaPan (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Mongol religion

I need help. Please come to this page: Wikiproject:History.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 13:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

...and you've been appropriately guided there. Lourdes 16:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so. The Muslims will have an article called History of Islam, The Christians will have an article called History of Christianity, but we Mongols will not have an article called "History of Shamanism", That is not called proper guidance.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Genghis khan2846: You have clearly stated that you think there should be a new article on Wikipedia, on the History of Mongol Shamanism. However, you do not seem to understand how Wikipedia works, so here is a simple explanation. All 100,000 or so of the currently active editors are volunteers, and nobody directs any of us to create a new article. If you want this article to come into existence, then you are free to write the article yourself (see WP:YFA for guidance). Alternatively, you can request that such an article be created, but such a request will result in an article only if some particular volunteer becomes interested in the subject. There is no mechanism for anyone to direct any one of the active editors to do this task. -Arch dude (talk) 19:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If I translate the article from some other versions of Wikipedia using the "Wikipedia translating tool" will that be acceptable?--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

It may be, provided it passes the English Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (or subject-specific notability guidelines). Thanks, Lourdes 01:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Pageview analysis - country information?

Does the Pageview analysis tool, or any similar one, provide information on the countries where the views originated from? --KnightMove (talk) 14:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

AFAIK, no. —AE (talk • contributions) 14:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Only for Wikiprojects as a whole and not for individual pages; privacy concerns I guess: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/AQS/Pageviews#Pageviews_split_by_country ....... Lourdes 15:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Add a name to a page

I need to add Veryle Rupp to this page. He’s a 1978 Webber Douglas graduate. IMDb has him listed and Webber Douglas FB

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verylerupp (talk • contribs) 16:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Verylerupp, but no, you do not "need" to add anybody to anything in Wikipedia. Promotion of any sort is strictly forbidden in Wikipedia, and any attempt to use it for somebody's publicity or on-line presence tends to be strongly resisted. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for being notable (which is not about importance, or fame, or popularity, or influence, but simply about whether there is enough independent reliable-published material to base an article on) then we can have an article about you, and your name can be added to appropriate lists. But you should on no account try to create such an article yourself - see autobiography for why not - and if it is created, you will have no control over its contents. Please read some of the links that somebody has thoughtfully put on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Verylerupp: In addition, names are not added to the category as you did at Category:Alumni of the Webber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art. If an article can be supported as outlined above, then the article is placed into the category by adding the latter to the appropriate section. Eagleash (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

James Averdieck

Hello I am editing my wikipedia page - James Averdieck - to update my personal status. I am no longer married to Annie and want to update to state my fiancé is Charlotte. I have done this twice now and it changes for a few hours then reverts back to the old content. How can you help me make sure my edits change permanently please?

Thank you James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javerdieck 1165 (talk • contribs)

@Javerdieck 1165: Please review the policy on autobiographical articles; it is strongly advised that you not edit about yourself, instead you may make edit requests on article talk pages for any changes you feel are needed.

With regard to the specific change, the information about your personal status is not in the source currently provided in the article. Unfortunately, we cannot simply take your word for it that things have changed, as we have no way of knowing you are who you say you are at this time. (I would suggest that you confirm your identity with Wikipedia by emailing the address listed in the paragraph this link takes you to.) Even if we did, we would need a documented source for the information. Is the change in your personal status in a source similar to the source the article had for your prior status? 331dot (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I have removed the disputed section because there are no current, independent, reliable sources available for verification. Vexations (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations:, the 2006 Daily Telegraph article abut James Averdieck refers to "James and Annie Averdieck" and the photo of them and two children is captioned "James and Annie Averdieck with their family", and the article itself includes some details about the children. The 2010 Evening Standard article states "James Averdieck, 44, lives with his wife and two children in south-west London." Both The Daily Telegraph and the Evening Standard are reliable sources.

Rather than the now deleted "He is married to Annie, they have two children, and live in south-west London", how about we replace that with "As of 2010, Averdieck was married to Annie, they had two children, and lived in south-west London." We should also re-add "Children: 2" to the infobox, and for now at least leave out "Spouse(s): Annie". Edwardx (talk) 17:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll respond on the talk page. Vexations (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Couple of questions over

Hi

I was just wandering how long does it take on average for a page to be published also is there any way to check on that process?

Many thanks

Ollie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olip97 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Olip97: I assume this refers to Draft:Danny Ligairi. You have not submitted it for review- and you should not do so until your draft has references from independent reliable sources. Submitting it now would only lead to it being declined. Once submitted, reviews are conducted by volunteers like yourself, and it usually takes some time, many weeks, if not a couple months. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I've wandered many a time meself wondering about this. Lourdes 01:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

We know a song about that, don't we, children? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.15.178 (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Editor disputes on Talk:South African farm attacks

Hello, I'm coming to ask for some advice/assistance after seeing a Wikipedia:Teahouse question that could use some answers from anyone here. There's been ongoing discussion between editors on Talk:South African farm attacks, and the article subject is very controversial and disputed especially now. I'm not involved in the discussions at all, but it is an ongoing and extremely charged debate, per discussions at Talk:South African farm attacks# A dispute and Talk:South African farm attacks#Is the Wikipedia article, South African Farm Attacks, devolving into an activist editor political racewar?, and I'd like to see things be more under control if admins step in and lock the page or whatever is most appropriate. If I can redirect my question anywhere else, please let me know, thanks! Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 21:28, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

You could consider leaving a note at WP:AN (if you've never left a note at AN before, follow the instructions at the top of that page very carefully). Lourdes 01:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with an edit that keeps being deleted after I submit it

I have been trying to add the name of my Supernatural Impala replica car to the page that defines "Darkness" because the name of the car is "The Darkness". I submitted a link to her facebook page and two other website sources that list her name. I don't understand why it keeps being deleted. Wikipedia accepted the name of another Supernatural Impala replica car named "Venator" under the term Venator. I don't see a difference in what I'm submitting. I would be most grateful for any assistance you can provide. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redgal65 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest that you have a look at the answer given to the same question you asked yesterday under Don't understand why you keep deleting the definition I am submitting. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Redgal65: It seems you'd already posted this question yesterday at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 August 29#Don't understand why you keep deleting the definition I am submitting and it was appropriately answered there. The edit in Venator was removed as well. Per David Biddulph, you may take a look at MOS:DABENTRY. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 22:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Redgal65 Hello. You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of a disambiguation page. Those pages are used to point people in the right direction when they search for a term for which more than one article could be what they are looking for (e.g. if someone searches for John Smith, which of the many historically notable John Smiths are they looking for?). Unfortunately, there is no article about your car, therefore your car should not be listed on a disambiguation page. As for Venator, it seems it was overlooked when someone added the car to that page on August 8, but the situation has now been rectified and it is no longer listed there.

You did indeed leave an edit summary including the facebook page and couple other links, but they do not appear to meet the threashold of notability required for a topic to have a Wikipedia article. In short, your car should not be listed on the disambiguation page unless it has an article, and it should not have an article unless multiple reliable sources have written articles specifically about your car. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:03, 30 August 2018 (UTC)