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January 20

I need a map

Hey,

I need a map for the Mid-South (region) article. Not very difficult, jut need to colour some zones on a U.S. map. Where can I ask?

Thanks!

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hello WhatsUpWorld, you could try asking at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop. Thanks, Lourdes 04:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Having a problem with Maps

I asked this at WP:EAR but a more general audience might be able to help. I am having problems adding a map on Mount Carmel East. I'm writing it out: | map_type = Columbus#Ohio#USA | relief = 1 | map_size = 225 | Coordinates = {{coord|39.583700|82.503520|format=dms|display=inline,title|type:landmark_region:US-OH}} The error I get is "Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 469: Unable to find the specified location map definition. Neither "Module:Location map/data/Columbus" nor "Template:Location map Columbus" exists.". I would try to work around this by using an OpenStreetMap but I can't seem to find one already uploaded for Ohio let alone Columbus. So I don't know how to work around this problem. Could a more experienced editor please help me out. Thank you in advance -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 07:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I have added the Ohio locator map, and corrected your coordinates as the ones above point to China. There is an OSM map of Columbus File:Map Columbus (Ohio).jpg, but only the French have a locator template for it. I will have a look at that next week, if I can remember how to template it correctly...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That OSM map is a great find, I wish I had come across it. I don't believe I know how to do locator template correctly though. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Locator map for Columbus Ohio has now been added to the article...Jokulhlaup (talk) 15:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jokulhlaup: Oh you're wonderful. Thank you! -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can somebody ban Special:Contributions/92.96.150.109 he's vandalising wikipedia?? Niqabu (talk) 09:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

We don't normally ban someone for a single comment in an article, but advise them on their talk page that such edits are inappropriate. Perhaps you could do that? Dbfirs 09:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Copyright material

Looking through the Amina Figarova article I noticed that the main part of the text is just copied from this source: http://newyorkjazzworkshop.com/faculty/amina-figarova/ . What must be done is such case? Is it the situation, when copying is allowed? Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 12:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The identical text was added by User:Bartamina in [1] 20 January 2014. The user has only edited that article. Amina's husband is called Bart so it may have been him. The Internet Archive shows that http://newyorkjazzworkshop.com/faculty/amina-figarova/ added the text after Wikipedia. The latest archived version is from 4 March 2016 where they still did not have the text. Maybe they copied from us, or maybe Bartamina added the text in multiple places. A Google search found other copies including http://www.flandershouse.org/amina-figarova-us-tour?quicktabs_qt_3=second which is dated in 2013 so it appears we cannot use the text without evidence that Bartamina has the copyright. It's very promotional anyway and would need a rewrite. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I've speedy deleted the article. It's also a heavy promo, doesn't have independent third-party sources and doesn't say why she is notable, so fails on G12, G11 and A7 Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: That seems strict for a 12 year old article with many contributors. It wasn't so promotional before the 2014 copying. Would you consider to restore without the copied material and use WP:PROD or WP:AFD? I get 152 Google News hits on "Amina Figarova" but haven't examined their quality. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, I've restored the 2 September 2012 version, before Bartamina had really got going. It seems never to have had proper RS sources, and there is nothing i the article suggesting notability, so I've AfDed as suggested Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

It's only an assamption that it could be Amina's husband. Anyone can name his account like that. So, if the material is promotional, but not copirighted as you mentioned above (the source added the text after Wikipedia) and if it's also possible to get some new reliable sources why not to rewrite it sorting old info and adding new from RS? PrimeHunter (talk), could you please share new sources you found? Let's disscuss it. I would be very thankful for mutial work on the article. It would be a nice contribution to Wikipedia as all we are here for this purpose only Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I mentioned above that I found another site which contained the material before it was added to Wikipedia. It would have to be rewritten to be used, both to avoid copyright violation and be less promotional. The "Find sources:" list at top of Amina Figarova and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amina Figarova looks for the type of sources Wikipedia often likes. The article should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music) or Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Help pinging users

I'm about to try starting a policy discussion and want to ping some users to contribute. I thought I could use {{Hidden ping|User A|User B}} but my attempt in my sandbox failed to ping me. Can anyone help? Thanks Martinp (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The syntax looks right, but the software doesn't allow you to ping yourself. This post has a {{Hidden ping|Martinp}} here: ​ so you should receive a ping from me. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, John. That makes sense (and I got pinged...) Martinp (talk) 16:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)t

Pings are caused by a wikilink to the userpage so your signature would ping yourself if it was possible. That would be pretty annoying. {{Hidden ping}} makes the link on a zero-width space so it can normally not be seen or clicked but it's still there in the html. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

www.gbif.org

Would www.gbif.org be a reliable source when creating the article, Order Bursovaginoidea? The article would mostly contain a list of the species in that order, but before creating a draft for the article, I would like to make sure that it would be okay to use the website as a reference. If not, are there any other website recommendations that have taxonomy details in the Phylum Gnathostomulida?--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 16:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it is ok but I still advise you to use a scholarly article in addition to it. (For instance, this). Ruslik_Zero 19:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Ruslik, Thanks for the advice! I will create the draft.--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 19:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Good advice. There are other reliable sources you could also cite, too, such as the WoRMS database (see here) and the NHM (see here). It's always great to see new articles do more than just prove that a taxon exists, and actually say something about it. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, those sources would be great for the article - I never realized they even existed!--SkyGazer 512 ^{talk / contributions / subpages} 22:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Glad to be of help, SkyGazer 512. There are plenty of other key sources you might want to be aware of, like the IUCN Red List, the International Plant Name Index (IPNI), Index Kewensis, and so on. Its often worth seeing what othere related article pages have used, or consider joining one of the WikiProjects relayed to a particular group. Be aware, too, that accepted classification systems for individual groups do also vary over time, so, especially amongst obscure taxa, you may find different naming systems, so be alert for synonyms, as well as redundant group names. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)