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March 20

I was working on an article and I accidentally closed the tab. Can I get it back?

Earlier today, I was working on a page, but unfortunately, I accidentally closed the tab after repeatedly pressing "publish," but getting errors about the chart I was using.

Is there any way I can retrieve that information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angel-CRTC (talk • contribs) 00:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Angel-CRTC: You are in luck. It would normally be gone but attempted saves triggered edit filters which stored it. See [1] and click "details" or "examine". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks so much for the help! :) I'm also having trouble with the Wikipedia page saving/publishing. It keeps giving me the following error: "An automated filter has prevented you from adding a chart listing that is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:Record charts to learn more about what types of charts are allowed. If you were not attempting to insert such material, then please report this error." The problem here is that when I attempt to report the page, I am unable to post a link to the unpublished Wikipedia article since its automatically deleted. What shall I do? Angel-CRTC (talk) 02:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Angel-CRTC: You try to link http://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=567729. An edit filter about charts has a rule against atrl.net/forums, apparently because those forums are also used for unwanted charts. I haven't examined the context or poster but using forum posts as sources is usually against WP:SELFPUBLISH. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks so much for the help, again! You're incredible :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angel-CRTC (talk • contribs) 02:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

• I've been saying that for so long now :) Lourdes 04:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Heroin,brands,types,percentages,quality variations.

I was looking for an article on this subject and found nothing.I know there is such an article,somewhere,but couldn't find it under any such title on wiki.As the DW is full of ads for heroin listed as #3 #4 etc and the brands do not match what I know.Such an article can only help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sicntired (talk • contribs) 04:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if you're looking for Heroin. The article doesn't contain the things that you want, but Heroin#Heroin grades contains some details about the variations. The Government of Australia source in the same section may have more details. Thanks, Lourdes 04:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

How to delete a page in my own sandbox?

I was doing some refactoring work in User:Dannyniu/sandbox/PQC schemes table, now I'm done with it, how do I delete it? Dannyniu (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Dannyniu I've done it for you, next time tag the page with one of {{Db-g7}}, {{Db-author}}, {{Db-blanked}} or {{Db-self}}, and it will be listed for speedy deletion by an admin Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible to upload and use a new image to Wikipedia?

I was wondering if it is possible to upload images that weren't used on Wikipedia before and use them on articles. I know that as long as they're free images, free content, you can, but what if they're copyrighted images? Is it possible to ask for permission to use them or are copyrighted images impossible to ever use? Film Enthusiast (talk) 05:30, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Film Enthusiast. In the majority of cases, we cannot use copyrighted images unless the copyright holder agrees to an acceptable Creative Commons license. There are limited exceptions (which include film posters), but you must follow every step in the policy on use of non-free images described at WP:NFCI. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Film Enthusiast. As Cullen³²⁸ says, you are unlikely to get anywhere asking for permission to use anything of commercial value, like posters, since it means anyone can then use the image for any purpose, but for other images it's sometimes worth asking the copyright owner for permission Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

RfC at Useful Idiot page

Back in December, I started an RfC on the useful idiot page about using the Oxford English Dictionary. The consensus was that the OED should be quoted, but since then the quotation has been continually removed. What can I do about it?--Jack Upland (talk) 08:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Jack Upland - First, read the dispute resolution policy. As you state, there has already been an RFC. I see that there is edit-warring, and that an administrator has issued a warning. Edit-warring can be reported at the edit-warring noticeboard, although that may not be necessary since an administrator is already aware of the edit-warring. You can request page-protection at requests for page protection. The usual place to report tendentious editing is WP:ANI. However, in this case, a more expeditious and more draconian remedy may be available if the issue focuses on the use of the phrase in American political discourse. The subject area of American politics (since 1932) is subject to ArbCom discretionary sanctions under the American politics case. The disruptive editor should be warned of discretionary sanctions, and can then be reported to Arbitration Enforcement. Editing against consensus that was established by an RFC is considered disruptive editing. However, be sure that the language that you are trying to insert is exactly consistent with what the closer said in the RFC, since the closer was specific and detailed. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

How can i create a completely new article?

Or..

Please some can create that page in Wiki style ?

I linked in "Theory of everything" below but it is an outer link..

Thanx !

John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrakistor (talk • contribs) 08:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't accept dubious, unpublished WP:original research. I've also reverted your addition to the TOE article. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing title

Hi, I created a page for a band but didn't capitalize it's name. How do i change this?

Name is the band is Panjabi Hit Squad

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishumusic (talk • contribs) 13:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vishumusic: The title is changed by moving the page to a new 'location'. This is done via the 'more' tab at the top of the page. This facility will not be available to you until your account has made at least 10 valid edits and is at leats four days old. I have moved the page to Panjabi Hit Squad and also made some 'tidying' edits. The page has not been reviewed. In the meantime I would suggest you read WP:NMUSIC for more information on the notability requirements and for future reference would suggest using WP:WIZ or WP:AFC rather than creating pages directly in mainspace. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@eagleash thank you. New to this so will have a read Vishumusic (talk) 14:03, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vishumusic: I note that a page was previously deleted as a result of this discussion. Unless the new page contains different content it may also be nominated for deletion. Notability of the musicians involved is important here. Are any of them notable in the Wiki sense? Is there a Wikipedia article about them? Eagleash (talk) 14:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vishumusic and Eagleash: In my view the current article much more clearly establishes the notability of the group as a group than the previous, deleted, version did. The awards in particular help with this. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the awards have been added since the page was moved yesterday... but not sourced. Eagleash (talk) 06:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Copyrighted Photo

I placed a photo ("‪File:Mr. Hanes in Alaska 1992.jpg‬") on the page I was working on (Phil Hanes) and it was removed for suspected copyright violation. I was instructed that the copyright holder needed to go to COM:CONSENT to donate the copyright and the image would be undeleted. I forwarded this message to the URL holder's executive secretary who quickly responded that she had gone to the link and filled out the "commons release" and that the photo should be usable now. This was on March 13th (7 days ago) and I have yet to see the image undeleted. Is there any other step required? Is there a delay?--Twilder43 (talk) 17:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Did the executive secretary take the photo? I can't find the file on https://commons.wikimedia.org, so perhaps the copyright holder needs to upload it again to Wikimedia Commons with the appropriate licence, from where it can be used in the article. You probably need to declare your WP:Conflict of interest since you have been commissioned to work on the article. Dbfirs 21:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Where to discuss media coverage

There's an ongoing debate about whether or not to cover mass shootings in articles about firearms, and multiple media outlets are claiming that a group of pro-gun editors are working to inappropriately prevent this information from being included. They have named individual editors as well as WikiProject Firearms as a whole. User:BullRangifer has compiled the following list:

The list has been brought up on several Talk pages and caused a certain amount of tension between editors. I would like to start a discussion to address each of the points made in these articles and determine whether it's a falsehood/misconception, a genuine problem that has already been resolved or an ongoing issue that still needs to be dealt with. Where would be the appropriate place to do this? It's not exactly a content dispute, and I'm not sure if it's appropriate to bring up at an article talk page or WP:GUNS per WP:NOTAFORUM. Any advice would be appreciated. –dlthewave ☎ 18:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

As an involved party I want to second this question/request. Springee (talk) 19:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I, too, think this is a good idea. Our policies and guidelines aren't solid, with sharp edges. They must be interpreted, and this is a time when we need to revisit how to interpret them. This needed discussion is not a WP:NOTFORUM thing, because it's very fundamental to how to properly edit at Wikipedia. If PAG are misunderstood by a group of editors to such a degree that the media notices it and writes about it in RS, we have a problem that needs to be resolved through civil discussion.

I think it would be best to do this at AN/I, where lots of admins can be involved. The ArbCom members should be invited to participate. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless a better suggestion comes along, I'll just post it at ANI and see how it goes. I'd like to wait until the RfC and Arbcom case are closed. –dlthewave ☎ 16:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dlthewave:, which RfC and Arbcom cases apply to this topic? I know we have several RfCs going related to the articles in question but I didn't realize we had anything about these external articles. Springee (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

2018-19 NHL season by team article

Can you Create the 2018-19 NHL season by team article because it needs to be made right now. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:NODEADLINE. You can use the article wizard at WP:YFA to create the draft yourself. RudolfRed (talk) 21:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

User is probably also talking about Template: 2018-19 NHL season by team page as well since it was declined because individual team articles for the seasons haven't been created. IP has a habit of WP:TOOSOON (see their talk page for Articles for creation) and demanding service of others (both on Help Desk and individual users talk pages). The 2018-19 NHL season doesn't start until October so there is no hurry to get these articles created. NZFC^(talk) 21:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

El Jardí dels Ocells, Vilafranca del Penedès, Spain

We would like to confirm that the previous visibility problems in our Park have been resolved by a large renovation of most cages. The internal landscaping of the cages has improved the experience of seeing the birds in natural surroundings. You can enjoy learning more about nature on our International days including: frog day, bee day, butterfly day, bird day, migratory bird day, bat 'day' and animal day. One day being chosen for each month from Easter to October/November. The Director — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.87.97.79 (talk) 21:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Is this about an article? Which one? RudolfRed (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Probably El Jardí dels Ocells. Dairy {talk} 03:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I notice that that article completely lacks any references, and has one external link to the aviary's own website. I feel this subject ought to be notable, but reliable sources (which the subject's own website cannot be as far as etablishing notability is concerned, though it may be used for uncontroversial facts such as location, numbers of empoyees, etc.) are likely to be mostly in Spanish, with which I myself can give no help. Without such independent published sources to cite, the article may have to be removed.

The OP obviously has a conflict of interest ("we... our Park ... our International days . . . ."), almost certainly needs to register a financial interest as required by Wikipedia:Paid, and should not be editing the article at all, thought they are welcome to make suggestions on its (as yet unused) Talk page.

(The OP, 176.87.97.79, should read all of the above blue wikilinked pages, and remember to sign their posts with four tildes thus, ~~~~, as instructed at the top of this Help desk page, so that we can keep track of who is saying what.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.185} 2.218.14.51 (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

My own username

How do I obtain my own logged in username? The userspace linking templates require you to manually enter a username. Three tildas will get me my signature, but how can I automatically get just my logged in username? Thank you very much,  Buaidh  22:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I'll take this to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#My own username. Thanks,  Buaidh  22:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Four tildes will give you a signature with a timestamp. Three gives just your username and five gives just a timestamp. Eagleash (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

How to archive user pages

My user page is too long. How do I archive it? Will it be one of my special pages?Deermouse (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Deermouse: Try visiting Help:Archiving a talk page, there are automated bots that can assist with this or a few semi-automated processes that can also help. Most archives I've follow the format of User talk:Username/Archive#(or letter) an example of mine that uses a number is User talk:TheDoctorWho/archive2 or an example of one that follows a letter format is User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive A. Let me know if I can clear anything up for you. TheDoctorWho (talk) 23:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Deermouse: The above is if you mean user talk page. Archiving is based on dated posts and there is no concept of archiving a user page if you really mean that. But you are free to copy some of the contents to other pages in your userspace, or to look up old contents later with the "View history" tab. You can for example enter User:Deermouse/Old userpage in the search box and click a link on the resulting page to create a user subpage with that name. Or you can make a wikilink to the page and create it: User:Deermouse/Old userpage. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Deermouse: Yes the above is correct, I apologize and misread as if you meant to archive a user talk page. @PrimeHunter: I believe you are correct that they mean the user page as seen in this section on their user page TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks immensely Doc and Prime, I see the code,

User:Deermouse/Old userpage

hidden here, ; I am understanding that would be considered an archived page? 2 or 3 could be enumerated. Sweet.Deermouse (talk) 03:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Deermouse: Ignore the <code> stuff I wrote in the edit box (it was only to make it stand out) and only consider what you see on the rendered page. You are free to make numbered subpages or change their names in other ways. I doubt it "would be considered an archived page" by others but don't care about that. If it suits you to keep a copy of old userpage code then just do that and call it what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)