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August 19

Publishing on Wikipedia

Hi I have a draft in Sandbox and dont know how to take the next step towards publishing it on Wikipedia, the publish button is greyed out cheers KST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kramshramtit (talk • contribs) 01:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kramshramtit: Just looked at the sandbox draft and the submit button appears normal to me. However, please do not submit the draft as it is completely without references and will be rejected upon review. Please see WP:BLP for more about biographical articles and WP:REFB for a guide to adding references. WP:CITET lists templates to use when adding sources. Please also review the notability guidelines. Some useful links will be left at your talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kramshramtit: Furthe

r, if this is an autobiography, this is strongly discouraged. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for more information. Eagleash (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kramshramtit: Please also see WP:NARTIST and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. -Arch dude (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Is it ever acceptable to use an ellipsis outside of a quote?

Please let me know; I found a page where this was the case and changed it to a comma.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Ummm ... yes, and also when you peter out at the end of ... [1]

... but you were correct to change it within the Wikipedia article. The usage has an air of informality that is not appropriate in an encyclopaedia article, but is fine for a talk page or the Help desk. Dbfirs 06:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Sorry if this was an irresponsible question to ask here, as is sometimes the case with the questions I ask on the Help desk.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Continuous editing conflict

I've been an editor for a few years without a problem ever editing. For the last couple of months, every time I try to publish an edit I receive a conflict for simultaneous editing, and the page is returned to its original status. However, looking at the editing history one can see that the last two comments are mine, the last one is like the original page and the one before is like what I wanted to change. Following is the last example https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outlander_(TV_series)&action=history. I suspect some setting has changed in my profile that shows me editing from two different devices, and from here the conflict. What shall I look or change to solve this problem?Gciriani (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I have a very similar problem. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2005 without technical problems. However, for the last several weeks, when I push the Publish Changes button, the edit conflict page pops up. When I look at the article's history, I see that my edit was saved. This happens most of the time, but not all the time. As best I can tell, the false edit conflict page pops up when I save immediately after making a change in the article. If I edit, then press the Preview button, then press Publish Changes (without making another edit), I get the edit saved success message. I edit Wikipedia using Google Chrome (up-to-date) running under Win 10 Pro (also up-to-date).—Finell 04:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I occasionally get the same problem, but it's when I click "Publish changes" twice (on a slow internet connection). Dbfirs 06:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gciriani: I also get this very, very occasionally, too. I hit Publish Changes, get an edit conflict message, only to find the edit I was trying to make had just been made by me. It happens sufficiently rarely that I can't even remember if it occurs on my iPhone with Safari, or on my laptop with Chrome, or both. What I do know is that I do have a Beta Gadget enable for "Two column edit conflict". The first thing I would do is turn this off, and then maybe restore all Special:Preferences to the default settings in all sections via the big red link at the bottom of that page. I notice you also managed to post this question twice too - once here, and once at the Teahouse. May I politely remind you that it wastes volunteer effort and causes some irritation when someone posts the identical question in two help fora at once? In future, please wait at least 24 hrs before seeking input elsewhere if your question isn't answered. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I assumed that Gciriani had got an edit conflict and not realised that the question had actually been posted, so re-posted as an IP. If the problem occurs only when logged in, then it must be some setting, as you suggest. Dbfirs 07:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

This problem has been reported previously. It happens pretty frequently for me (working on a laptop, using Chrome). I've checked that it still happens if the "Two column edit conflict" gadget is turned off. Others have suggested that it is when the publish button is pressed twice, but I do not believe that this is the case. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I note a question just above here relates to server lag, which might be relevant. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I apologize for the irritation and the waste of resources, but it was not intentional, and entirely triggered by the problem I'm having. @Dbfirs: got it right. When I tried to post my request for help here at the Helpdesk, the editing conflict showed somehow that my post was in conflict with a previous edit, and was not being allowed. I then searched for an alternate way to post my problem and found the Teahouse, and thought that if I posted logging out from my account would do the trick and allow me to post.Gciriani (talk) 15:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I checked my preferences, and I do not have anything in Beta Gadget enabled. One thing I noticed is that if I Preview before Publishing, then I get the conflict; if I don't Preview and go directly to Publish then I do not get the conflict. Restoring preferences to the default, stopped the conflict.Gciriani (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

In the further reading section with the magazine "Majesty' - I added in this website - http://www.majestymagazine.com/ It is all wrong. Please fix Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed You put 'url:=' instead of 'url='. Eagleash (talk) 03:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Talk Page and User Name

I've noticed that my user name is highlighted in red "Wikiwicker" and there seems to be some question as to whether I really exist or not. I don't have a "user page" so does that mean my user name will be removed? Thanks, Ray Murray "Wikiwicker" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwicker (talk • contribs) 05:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiwicker: As the username in signutures etc links to the user page, if you don't have a user page it will show as a red link, as with any link to a non existant page. There is no requirement to have a user page, and you definitely exist. If it bothers you, there's ways to change signature colour - see Wikipedia:Signature tutorial ~~ OxonAlex - talk 06:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Why not just write a sentence, or the word "Welcome" on your user page? ... or redirect it to your talk page? Dbfirs 06:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Where to ask for audio file review?

Hello, I would like to request review of an audio clip to see if it is okay for use in Wikipedia. Is there a good place I can ask about this? I have made several requests and posts on Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions, as well as asking a Wikipedia administrator, as well as two requested peer reviews. Unfortunately I haven't been able to interest anyone in taking a look. What should I try next?

I have been working on The Phenomenauts. I am trying to raise it for eventual sumission for GA status. I originally uploaded four audio clips, based on my understanding of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music_samples. These were deleted for being non-free content, which is true; they were. I have done a lot of reading of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Music_samples, WP:NFC, and and WP:NFCC to better understand Wikipedia norms and how to handle this. I then created a post on the article Talk page outlining a case for why I believe inclusion of a single, short audio clip would be appropriate.

The other events then were:

• I posted here in June 2018, asking about best practises for including audio.
• I asked the admin for a review of my re-work in November 2018
• I also asked for a peer review in November 2018
• I attempted to ask the admin again in February 2019 (it appears to be hidden under the "misplaced draft" template at the end)
• I posted again on Media copyright questions in April 2019

The original administrator appears to be quite busy, and I don't want to bother them if they don't have time to discuss it. But I would love some feedback on whether my edits are on the right track, and this is an appropriate case/argument for including a single audio clip.

What is the best next step to request someone taking a look? Thanks for your time. --Culix (talk) 05:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Iphierga

Adult of an undescribed Iphierga species Psychidae Iphierga Iphierga chrysophaes Turner, 1917 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriefarias (talk • contribs) 09:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. If there is a question you would like to ask, please do so. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: , but do not sign in articles. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Valeriefarias: The scientific name, Iphierga chrysophaes, has definitely been validly published see here. However there is no page yet for this taxon (nor indeed the genus) on Wikipedia. You would be welcome to create one, and one simple way is to copy and modify the wikitext of a closely related moth species. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Help Publishing a Translation

Hello,

It seems I can't publish an English from Danish translation I made for 'Abelstedt' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ojcapital/Abelstedt).

How will this translation be able to be published?

Best regards, Oliver — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojcapital (talk • contribs) 10:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

In this edit I have added a template to give you a button to submit the draft for review, & also removed your draft from article categories (see WP:DRAFTNOCAT). If you translated from a Danish Wikipedia article you need to provide attribution, as required by WP:TFOLWP. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I now see that you did provide an attribution in the edit summary, but you may wish to supplement it in the talk page as suggested. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Ojcapital, I hope you don't mind that I have tweaked the grammar a bit. TSventon (talk) 11:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ojcapital: I see that all your edits on English and Danish Wikipedia relate to Abelstedt. Please can you confirm if you have a conflict of interest (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) and if you have been paid to edit the articles (see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure). TSventon (talk) 12:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@TSventon: I can confirm that neither is the case. I recently created my account and this was my first contribution. - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Ojcapital, thanks for the confirmation. TSventon (talk) 08:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

You should't have submitted the draft for review until you'd sorted out the multiple errors in the referencing. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice David. However, I was quite sure that these referencing errors were not there until the draft got moved. It might have been a miss. - Ojcapital (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

جاكارو Wahoo

I can't linked both pages together:

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahoo_(board_game) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamwi2000 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done, you can link together by clicking on "Add links" under the "Languages" section in the sidebar. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

How to correct a link to another language wikipedia

Hello friends. The English article is Blaubeuren Abbey. The German article is Kloster Blaubeuren. But if you click on "Deutsch" in the Languages sidebar of Blaubeuren Abbey, the link is going to Blaubeuren. How do I make it go to the correct place? Thank you. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed, an interwiki link had been placed on the English Wikipedia article, now it is through Wikidata. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you explain how you did it so I can fix it myself another time? 70.67.193.176 (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

This table is a great help Help:Interwiki linking#Project titles and shortcuts - FlightTime (open channel) 15:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

The article had [[de:Blaubeuren]] at the bottom, that is the old way of connecting together articles in different languages. Now we try to keep everything linked together on Wikidata, you can get to it by clicking "Add links" under the language sidebar. The old way can still be used to overwrite the Wikidata connection or to link to a related topic if the different languages don't have quite the same scope. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Terrific to know, thank you both! 70.67.193.176 (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Archived undone request

ClueBot III has archived request not yet completed on Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop.

The undone request will be completed anyway or it is necessary to request again? --5.169.194.248 (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Moved from Misc reference desk ~~ OxonAlex - talk 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It's unlikely for someone to be searching the archives looking of uncompleted requests. So you can unarchive the request in cases like this. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks button

I would like to undo my thanks. I read WP:THANKS but I couldn't find anything that says how to do it. Unless I missed it on that page, can you show me how to do that and ping me when you answer? Interstellarity (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think a thanks can be undone. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: I don't quite understand your answer. Could you rephrase it for me and ping me when you do that please? Interstellarity (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: - FlightTime (open channel) 16:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Thanks for the quick response. Interstellarity (talk) 16:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Comics TPB table

How come in transclusions such as at Smallville, there is a large whitespace rendered above the table footnotes (in the given instance beginning with "The full title [...]")? How can that be fixed?--Hildeoc (talk) 16:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the spacing below each table. Does it look OK now? – Ammarpad (talk) 17:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Editing articles.

Hello. Recently I made a change in one of articles in Wikipedia. After about 90 minutes a received a massage from a user of Wikipedia in which he told me that he had deleted what I typed because I didn’t include a reliable source. I am sure that information I provided is right, and, in my opinion, there is a reason to include that information to that article and I don’t think it is necessary to include a reliable source every time. So, I just want you to answer a question for me. If I had created completely new article it would not have been necessary to get a permission from somebody (maybe from an article’s author) to make some changes in this article in the future? By the way, if an author wrote that article himself, he would just have to understand basic things in the topic, since a source isn’t needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petro Sapriianchuk (talk • contribs) 20:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Petro Sapriianchuk: Information in Wikipedia must be sourced to a reliable source. This is so readers can verify the information if they desire. Verifiability is an important principle of Wikipedia. That you believe the information to be correct is irrelevant; we need to know where it came from. You don't need permission to create an article or make an edit, but if challenged on it, it is up to you to discuss the matter and justify what it is that you want to do, see WP:BRD for more information. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Petro Sapriianchuk: once an article exists, it no longer has "an author". The person who created the article has no more rights or responsibilities for the article than does anyone else. This also true for any edit by any editor: we all have the same right and responsibilities, except for edits who are WP:PAID or have a WP:COI with respect to the article: those editors have fewer rights than the rest of us. -Arch dude (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Petro Sapriianchuk: Your edit gave instructions to the reader. A text book might do this, but an encyclopaedia never does. It only presents facts. Also, your note was formatted as a reference, which it wasn't, so was misleading. You might like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to get some practice in editing. Dbfirs 10:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Article Henry Oberlander not appearing in Google search?

Hi, Henry Oberlander went live over one month ago but is not showing as any hit on Google search. Does anyone know how this works and how long it would take to appear? There are under 3000 hits for this major personality, on Google, so the article does not exactly have a lot of competition. Any thoughts welcome. Many thanks Anna (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It still has noindex as a new article. See Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace"). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Can I ask for it to be indexed? Anna (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

No need to ask, there are thousand articles also waiting to be reviewed. It'll eventually be reviewed/indexed. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)