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August 22

REPLYING TO ANSWERS

I asked a question on here earlier, and someone said they did'nt understand what i was asking. I tried to reply to explain it to them, but i coud'nt figure how to do it. i probably seem very stupid right now, but this is literraly my first day as a user, so i still have basically no idea how to do anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: there is an [Edit] link next to each section header. Click on that, add you answer at the bottom the edit box and hit save. 2001:16B8:507B:6F00:F5EE:863:CD02:6EA3 (talk) 04:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Bill cage, welcome to Wikipedia. If you would like help getting started on Wikipedia and getting to know what it is all about, please take the Tutorial. This should help you get to grips with what Wikipedia is about and tell you how you can start editing and participating in the community. If you would like help editing please see This guide on editing. At first, I recommend you try small edits on minor pages, which you can find by clicking the ‘Random article’ button to the left of this page. I wouldn’t recommend you create an article at first, it takes plenty of time and experience to do that. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please do ask. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@willbb234 thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talk • contribs) 17:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Allegations of infidelity

I was looking at the articles on Seth Avett and on The Avett Brothers. In reading some stories online about them, I came across this allegation in Radar Online (https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/jennifer-carpenter-affair-avett-brothers-drummer/) that Seth's alleged cheating on his first wife with the woman who is now his second wife was, again allegedly, a factor in the departure of the drummer in December 2012. The date in this report of the beginning of Avett's relationship with his now second wife (late 2012) conflicts with the date in the Wikipedia article (2013), and the article on the Avett Brothers fails to mention this as a factor in its description of the drummer's departure. To be clear, I'm just a music fan; I have no desire to include sensative personal matters like this in an article, except when they seem relevant to the content, which in this case they arguably do. I'm posting here for guidance instead of the article talk pages because I'm trying to be as discrete as possible in the event that this information has no place in the article (due to reliability of the sourcing, relevance, etc.). My other concern, however, is that I hate for articles to turn into hagiography, where all negative information about the subject is elided even when relevant — and it seems to me if it was a factor in the drummer's departure, it's relevant. I also resent the wrong date being given in the Seth Avett article if it's incorrect.

Advice?

The matter you are bringing up is important and relevant, so I would add it on the talk page. Firstly, review the article on the Huffington Post that is the current source (source No. 8). Is it more reliable than the Radar Online? See WP:RS for help. If it is more reliable, leave the text how it is and discuss the matter on the talk page. If it is less reliable, Be Bold and change it to what the Radar Online says. If someone reverts you, talk to them on the talk page about it and take it from there. If you are not sure of the reliability of the sources, or think they are equal, don’t change anything, just discuss on the talk page and put forward your points. Apologies I wasn’t more specific or couldn’t properly answer your question - I couldn’t open either source for some strange reason. Anyway, I hope that helps, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: , but do not sign in articles.

@Willbb234: I appreciate the advice! Thanks so much! Engelhardt (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

changing tilte

Hi, I am trying to fix the tile of "kakaobank" page to kakaobank from current "KakaoBank" as the front is correctly written form. It would be great if anyone can help me the method. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil.lee2180 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Phil.lee2180. To do this, you must have a Reliable source showing the proposed change. Once you have that, the best option is to discuss it on the Talk page of the article, and see if others agree that it should be changed. To change the title of an article, we can move a page but this requires Autoconfirned rights, which you don’t currently have. If you are in anyway associated with the company, please see WP:COI and we strongly recommend you don’t edit the article in question, please discuss it with others. If you are being paid to edit you must disclose this. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please do ask. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 07:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: , but do not sign in articles.

The references in the article mainly use the capitalised version, so Wikipedia should do the same according to WP:Commonname. The uncapitalised version seems to be the trademark of Kakao Bank, not its official name, but if you can find WP:Reliable sources that say something different, then please mention them here or add them to the article. Dbfirs 10:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Information addition to site

My name is Tom Osborne and I am inquiring if my life’s accomplishments are sufficient to be list added to the ‘List of Notable People’ from the State of WV. I was born and raised in Morgantown, WV, son of a coal miner and glass factory worker. I am an inventor with design and utility patents and a TV personality on ABC’s hit reality show, Shark Tank. I am a former Vice President of Food Safety and Regulatory Affairs for Tyson Foods, the largest US based protein companies with 28-years experience...retiring in 2017 to assume the role of President and Chief Operations Officer of BioWALL, a Sabre Company, the company called upon by the US government to decontaminate the US Capitol following the 2001 biological terrorism attacks of weaponized ANTHRAX. BioWALL is a global authority on mitigating biological and chemical threats, sole company contracted by the US Department of Defense with proven tactical deployment methods and technical capabilities to eliminate viral and bacterial bio-threats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCIBBInventor (talk • contribs) 10:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@CCIBBInventor: You seem to have had an impressive career; I would note, however, that the requirement for being added to the list you speak of is that a Wikipedia article about you would need to exist. To merit a Wikipedia article, you would need to have been extensively written about in independent reliable sources that show how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. If you review the criteria and truly feel you meet it in some way, it is strongly advised that you not attempt to write about yourself, please see the autobiography policy. You could visit Requested Articles to request that others write about you(if proper sources exist), though it will likely not be done quickly due to the significant backlog there. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the very fast response. There are publications, articles and other media specific to me and the achievements I’ve made that will qualify. How do I send those articles to you? CCIBBInventor (talk) 10:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@CCIBBInventor:Note that I moved your comment from the talk page of this page, which is only for discussing the operation of this page. Replies should be made on this page. You should not "send" anything to me personally; you may visit Requested Articles and follow the process there to make a request that others write about you. As I indicated, please understand that it may not be done quickly. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

A minor edit of the title of a n article

Hello everyone. I made an article about a person, but I created that with the last name written in small letters.

Is there a way to correct that?

Mostafa_Heravi princilll (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

I've moved it for you, but you could have moved it yourself as your account is auto-confirmed. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot David, it's been a while I haven't been participating in Wikipedia and I was afraid to make another mistake. I've even forgotten to sign my posts..! Thank you, anyway :) princilll (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: , but do not sign in articles. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 13:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

/* Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gracie the English Springer Spaniel */

/* Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gracie the English Springer Spaniel */ I don't want it to be deleted please help me restore it i just want it to be accepted — Preceding unsigned comment added by SerdoCowmoo (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

SerdoCowmoo As it is now, your draft has no chance of being accepted. I don't mean to be frank, but I must tell you the truth. Wikipedia has articles about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Your draft is sourced to nothing at all and does not indicate how this dog is notable. Having 5,000 YouTube subscribers is not relevant to notability as defined by Wikipedia(it's also not a large number relatively speaking); they could have 50 subscribers or 5 billion subscribers; if no independent reliable sources write about this subject, it does not merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

SerdoCowmoo, creating a nonsense draft and asking for it to be reviewed just wastes reviewers' time and does not help your cause. Dbfirs 14:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Wording change at Philadelphia

I disagree with this edit, because I think the word coterminous is a standard word that readers generally would understand, but I'm not sure what our standards are on this. (I saw the change simply because the article is on my watchlist.) I checked the MOS but didn't see anything helpful there, and the Geography Wikiproject doesn't appear to have its own MOS. I considered being bold and reverting the change with a polite edit summary, but I haven't edited that much in a long while, and I don't want to run afoul of changing rules, guidelines and perceptions in the community here. Any advice? --Tkynerd (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This might just be me, but I've never heard the word coterminous before, and it could be argued to fall under MOS:JARGON. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I do not believe this is a word that our average reader will be familiar with. GMG^talk 15:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I've heard of the word(though I don't think it is a common term even in the US), but it is important to remember that Wikipedia has a global audience and the terminology needs to be accessible to all. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with acceding to that. I do, however, also think that the alternate wording is incorrect or at best misleading, so I'm going to tweak it. Thanks for the responses. --Tkynerd (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Tkynerd, you could use coterminous followed by a paranthetical explanation, which is one option in MOS:JARGON. TSventon (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

TSventon, I should have thought of that! Thanks for the suggestion. But I tweaked the wording already, and I think I'm satisfied. :-) --Tkynerd (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tkynerd: Thanks for your work. In general, when an editor disagrees with you, you should discuss it with that editor, usually on the article's talk page. This is called bold-revert-discuss: see WP:BRD. There should be no hard feelings either way: you are both trying to improve Wikipedia: see WP:AGF. If the two editors cannot agree, then go to WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Arch dude! If I had decided that I wanted to fight for keeping the word coterminous, I would have engaged the other editor in a conversation. In this case, I wanted to get a bit of the community's feeling about the word itself before I decided what to do, so I brought the question here. I decided to essentially let the changed wording stand, with a couple of tweaks because I found the changed wording confusing. I didn't think that was a reason to get the attention of the other editor, but I'll be happy to discuss this with them if they decide to engage with me. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. --Tkynerd (talk) 07:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Coterminous is not jargon but is a level of formal English which most websites (particularly those with an international appeal) eschew. Whilst paper encyclopaedias assume a high level of literacy (and the ability to use a dictionary) we cannot make that assumption. Remember that WP is meant to be readable by a high school student. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

MAKING DIFFRENT SECTIONS

I plan on starting to write articles very soon, but one thing i don't know how to do is splitting it in diffrent sections and naming those sections. if i'm confusing anyone, well i don't really know the correct term yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talk • contribs) 17:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: You make new sections within articles by adding the section title (without all caps please) between 2 groups of 2 equals signs. (E.g. == Smith's early life ==). Subsections can be made by groups of 3, then 4 equals signs. Click on 'edit source' at the top of this section to see an example. Please study the links left at your talk page. A good deal of the information you will need is contained within them. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: As mentioned before, I wouldn’t recommend creating an article this quickly. Of course, it is your decision but it is more likely it will get deleted with less experience. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 17:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: you can practice by adding section to your user page, or by creating a "sandbox" page. You can try sections, subsections, pictures, etc. Feel free to copy and paste from existing pages to give yourself a place to start. Since we already have almost 6 million articles, you may discover that the stuff you wish to add to Wikipedia will fit well into an existing article. That's a good way to get started. -Arch dude (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talk • contribs) 18:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia hiring

I need to know as I want to be the admin but not sure if there are any admin jobs and how much do admins get paid per hour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.180.90 (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a volunteer project; editors are not paid by Wikipedia, and neither are administrators. We're all here because we want to build this encyclopedia for the benefit of humanity, not to get paid. 331dot (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you should do some research on what it means to be an admin at Wikipedia:Administrators. †dismas†|^(talk) 18:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

More broadly, you should read up on any company before attempting to apply for a position at it. Matt Deres (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Citing a TV show

Can a TV show be cited for say the plot of the show? For example, citing the link to the show on a website such as BBC iplayer? Is there a specifc template for this? Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Plots don't need specific citations, as the plot can be confirmed by viewing the program. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

...except on points of controversy (here's a well-known example). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

For future reference, you can use Template:Cite AV media and its associated templates to cite content from a TV or radio show, podcast, CD / album, etc. Eagleash (talk) 03:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)